The most versitile ride?
Ben Larabie
mostly rock, but I want to keep my options open to other styles (mainly
jazz). I was thinking just a regular Sabian AA?
Wishbone
good ping, some slight overtones and a nice bell.
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AdamC
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> mostly rock, but I want to keep my options open to other styles (mainly
> jazz). I was thinking just a regular Sabian AA?
You can't go wrong with a Sabian AA Medium, AAX Medium, HH Medium well you
get the picture. Medium rides are usually the most versatile rides out
there. If you want a little more bright sound than I suggest getting them
in a brilliant finish.
AdamC
TJ Hertz
20" Paiste 602 Medium that's a great allpurpose ride, but I got it in a
trade for a Sabian Pro ride with an ignorant (relative) newbie... usually
they go for Ł100-200ish. Definitely check out some Paiste Sigs too.
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kujawat
too. Best bell you've ever heard, great controlled dark dry wash when you
really lay into it with a 2B toward the edge. It never gets gongy or
offensive and just begs to be laid into and driven hard. Also has a nice
dark ping when played in the middle. Sounds great at all volumes. IMHO it
could even pass for a jazz ride in some circumstances, and definitely can
"do it all". I have a 22" Ping that I love, and is another good one. It is
strictly a rock cymbal though. It's not nearly as "pingy" as the Rock Ride
I had. Anyway, I'd always vote for the HH Dry if I had to chose just one.
Tony
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Kevin Buffardi
chance to see how they crash. That's not my first priority in choosing a
ride, but the RBDR fits about every other requirement perfectly, I was
curious how it sounds crashed. And no, I don't just mean using it as a
crash cymbal, I mean more like riding straight 8th crashes.
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Really.
Sam S.
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Scott
> mostly rock, but I want to keep my options open to other styles (mainly
> jazz). I was thinking just a regular Sabian AA?
Hey Ben,
I have a 20" Sabian AA medium I plan on getting rid of if you're
interested. These models are VERY versatile.
Scott
Glenn Dowdy
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> 21" Sabian HH Raw Bell Dry Ride. It's also the Phil Collins Signature
Ride
> too. Best bell you've ever heard,
Nah, that's the Ed Shaughnessy Ride. It's a little more pingy that the RBDR,
so it probably isn't as versatile.
Glenn D.
Anthony Giampa
be alot like a 60's Zildjian ride, where there were no rock/jazz
designations.
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Tony Kujawa
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> Do you have a Raw Bell Dry Ride? I love the sound of 'em, but never got a
> chance to see how they crash. That's not my first priority in choosing a
> ride, but the RBDR fits about every other requirement perfectly, I was
> curious how it sounds crashed. And no, I don't just mean using it as a
> crash cymbal, I mean more like riding straight 8th crashes.
>
> --
It won't crash ala Van Halen 8ths, but it'll get a nice wash/hum going. It
is a Medium/Heavy weight.
Tony
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: mostly rock, but I want to keep my options open to other styles (mainly
: jazz). I was thinking just a regular Sabian AA?
I can't speak for other cymbals since I've always played Zildjians...I
currently use a 20" Custom K but admittedly would prefer a heavier ride. It
is versatile though.
/ramalane
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nick amoroso
>good ping, some slight overtones and a nice bell.
that was the first ride that came to my mind, too. i have one (from george),
and it's killer.
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>> Need something to replace my trash can lid....err... I mean B8, I play
>> mostly rock, but I want to keep my options open to other styles (mainly
>> jazz). I was thinking just a regular Sabian AA?
>
>You can't go wrong with a Sabian AA Medium, AAX Medium, HH Medium well you
>get the picture. Medium rides are usually the most versatile rides out
>there.
i agree. my zildjian 22" medium is a GREAT ride.
If you want a little more bright sound than I suggest getting them
>in a brilliant finish.
>
it's the other way around. a cymbal that has been buffed to a brilliant finish
will sound warmer than one that hasn't. the buffing takes the "edge" off.
nick amoroso
>Really.
>
>Sam S.
exactly. no one knows what you're looking for better than you.
nick amoroso
i heard ed play his cymbal during his clinic at the hollywood drum show last
year. that had to have been one of the *worst* ride cymbals i've ever heard in
my life.
Glenn Dowdy
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> >
> >
> >
> >"kujawat" <kuj...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> >> 21" Sabian HH Raw Bell Dry Ride. It's also the Phil Collins Signature
> >Ride
> >> too. Best bell you've ever heard,
> >
> >Nah, that's the Ed Shaughnessy Ride. It's a little more pingy that the
RBDR,
> >so it probably isn't as versatile.
> >
> >Glenn D.
>
> i heard ed play his cymbal during his clinic at the hollywood drum show
last
> year. that had to have been one of the *worst* ride cymbals i've ever
heard in
> my life.
>
Glenn D.
nick amoroso
>last
>> year. that had to have been one of the *worst* ride cymbals i've ever
>heard in
>> my life.
>>
>Maybe he just got a bad one ;). What didn't you like about it?
>
>Glenn D.
>
too clangy. not pretty. very low in pitch. sounded like a tailgate.
reminded me of a zildjian earth ride that i used to own. paul mason (tempus)
drums used the term "manhole cover."
of course, it's all about context. ed's primarily a big band drummer, so i
guess i was just a bit surprised that he'd be using that type of cymbal.
Glenn Dowdy
"nick amoroso" <soul...@aol.comICAL> wrote in message
> >> i heard ed play his cymbal during his clinic at the hollywood drum show
> >last
> >> year. that had to have been one of the *worst* ride cymbals i've ever
> >heard in
> >> my life.
> >>
> >Maybe he just got a bad one ;). What didn't you like about it?
> >
> >Glenn D.
> >
>
> too clangy. not pretty. very low in pitch. sounded like a tailgate.
> reminded me of a zildjian earth ride that i used to own. paul mason
(tempus)
> drums used the term "manhole cover."
Hmmm. It is a medium heavy 21" cymbal, so it's not going to be real washy,
although it does have _some_ ( at least mine does). My old band's drummer
just got one and it replace the K and the Ping rides he was using. He's
playing blues and rockabilly.
What type of ride would you expect for Big Band? I bought mine for rock, and
to replace a Sabian 20" medium that I just hated (my first lesson in buying
cymbals online).
Glenn D.
nick amoroso
>to replace a Sabian 20" medium that I just hated (my first lesson in buying
>cymbals online).
>
>Glenn D.
personally, i wouldn't expect something as heavy as an earth ride (which is
what it sounded like), but to each their own, of course.
AdamC
I've always understood that a brilliant finish will brighten the sound of
the cymbal to a light degree. Hmm I want to find out more about this. I
don't doubt your statement but I've always heard/read that it's brilliant
finish = brighter sound/tone. I will get to you on this.
AdamC
Dan Radin
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> "nick amoroso" <soul...@aol.comICAL> wrote in message
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> > >> i heard ed play his cymbal during his clinic at the hollywood drum
show
> > >last
> > >> year. that had to have been one of the *worst* ride cymbals i've
ever
> > >heard in
> > >> my life.
> > >>
> > >Maybe he just got a bad one ;). What didn't you like about it?
> >
> > reminded me of a zildjian earth ride that i used to own. paul mason
> (tempus)
> > drums used the term "manhole cover."
>
> Hmmm. It is a medium heavy 21" cymbal, so it's not going to be real washy,
> although it does have _some_ ( at least mine does). My old band's drummer
> just got one and it replace the K and the Ping rides he was using. He's
> playing blues and rockabilly.
It's modeled pretty heavily after the 21" A. Rock that Ed used with Doc for
years. To me, it sounds like a Rock Ride, not a big band cymbal, though the
trend to my ears over the last 20 or so years has been to use pretty heavy
cymbal with big bands. I really like the K. Constantinople Big Band. It's a
21", probably on the light side of medium heavy. Nice blend of wash and
ping, and could be used for rock and big band quite well due to its lower
pitch and darker, warmer timbre compared with A/AAs.
Joey Furr
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Mark Polis
decreases the depth of the lathed tonal grooves and takes off the brighter
"edge". Should then sound darker. In my experience it definitely does.
Hence, the "darkish" sound of Zildjian A Customs and Sabian HH Evolution
cymbals.
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Brandon Paluzzi
> I've always understood that a brilliant finish will brighten the sound of
> the cymbal to a light degree. Hmm I want to find out more about this. I
> don't doubt your statement but I've always heard/read that it's brilliant
> finish = brighter sound/tone. I will get to you on this.
>
> AdamC
>
Buffing the cymbal to a brilliant finish removes material from the lathe
grooves on the cymbal. Takes much of the high end shimmer out of the
cymbal, makes it closer to an unlathed cymbal (think Earth Ride or Paiste
Rudes). Makes the cymbal warmer, not brighter.
B
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DPercussions
>From: "AdamC" acor...@cogeco.ca
>I've always understood that a brilliant finish will brighten the sound of
>the cymbal to a light degree. Hmm I want to find out more about this. I
>don't doubt your statement but I've always heard/read that it's brilliant
>finish = brighter sound/tone. I will get to you on this.
>
>AdamC
>
A cymbal with a buffed/polished surface will actually refract more of the
ULTRA-high overtones than a regular finish cymbal will.
In frequency terminology that is.........a brilliant ride will have more
projection of overtones in the 10-15 kHz range creating a brighter top high end
band. Regular finish lathing refracts off more of the "warmer" or lower
high-end sibilance such as in the ranges of 5 kHz-10 kHz. The result is the
more natural sound because the greater surface area of the pits and valleys
absorb more of the highest high end than the smoother brilliant surface cymbals
which do more the opposite.
Most people hear the brilliant finish as glassy and there is good reason for
that.
D
Brandon Paluzzi
Sounds like some posterior dialogue syndrome.
b
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same weight/diameter cymbals in both finishes tells me otherwise.
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nick amoroso
>
>
>I believe that Nick is right - the buffing producing the brilliant finish
>decreases the depth of the lathed tonal grooves and takes off the brighter
>"edge". Should then sound darker. In my experience it definitely does.
>Hence, the "darkish" sound of Zildjian A Customs and Sabian HH Evolution
>cymbals.
all of my zildjian brilliant-finish cymbals sound a bit mellower and more
"focused" than their regular-finish counterparts.
Richard Edmondson
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> Sounds like some posterior dialogue syndrome.
>
LOL!
Michel
> 21" Sabian HH Raw Bell Dry Ride. It's also the Phil Collins Signature Ride
> really lay into it with a 2B toward the edge. It never gets gongy or
> offensive and just begs to be laid into and driven hard. Also has a nice
> dark ping when played in the middle. Sounds great at all volumes.
I bought a Phil Collins Sig from Mr. Polis here, and I just love it.
It has become my main ride. It is indeed very versatile. Dark and
moderately dry, but still with a nice wash, and the bell is just
absolutely wicked! My only problem is to lay off that bell :-O
Michel
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