Some of the people with me were a little annoyed by how busy Scott's playing
was, but I thought he was perfect for Tyner. The trio set up in a straight
line across the stage and we were right in front of Scott, so perhaps that's
why he seemed a little overwhelming to my companions.
I have the '95(?) Tyner album Infinity w/Scott but don't know anything else
about him. Bassist Avery Sharpe was very impressive as a soloist as well.
Thanks for any info.
Dan
Jay
"One never knows, do one?" - Fats Waller
> Dan,
> Over the years, I've seen McCoy with Elvin Jones, Billy Hart, Eric Kamau
> Gravatt, & Louis Hayes, and much prefer their playing to Aaron Scott's. I
> side with your annoyed friends here, but not because of his general
> 'busyness'. The previously mentioned master drummers are certainly busy,
> however, they have a creative depth and multidimensionality that Aaron
> doesn't.
I have to take some exception to this opinion. I have seen alot of live music,
and Aaron Scott's drum solo when Tyner was in Chapel Hill a couple of years
ago was spellbinding. I have never seen anyone do a better solo. Most of
the time, I can't wait till it's over. This one was long and consistently thoughout
very interesting. Actually, I (and my firends) thought Avery was the weak link.
Peace,
Kurt
George
Dan Jewett <drj78...@aol.comspamout> wrote in message
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> I saw the McCoy Tyner trio in Kansas City recently and was wondering if
any one
> could provide some background on his drummer Aaron Scott. Scott struck me
as a
> textural player who was very "present" in the three way mix.
>
> Some of the people with me were a little annoyed by how busy Scott's
playing
> was, but I thought he was perfect for Tyner. The trio set up in a
straight
> line across the stage and we were right in front of Scott, so perhaps
that's
> why he seemed a little overwhelming to my companions.
>
> I have the '95(?) Tyner album Infinity w/Scott but don't know anything
else
> about him. Bassist Avery Sharpe was very impressive as a soloist as well.
>
Kurt,
No offense, but who gives a fuck about drum solos? It is how you play with the group
that counts.
--
Robert Schuh
"There Can be Only One!"
Stevie, Trane, Jaco, Jimi and Bird are GODS!
Donate your organs. Save a life.
Proud Endorser of Spaun Drums
>
--
Nturally McCoy Tyner, one of the real giants (still) of the music would
work with a drummer, for at least nine years that I'm aware of,
without 'creative depth' or 'multidimensionality'. Of course he'd hire
a lightweight for his trio. Or would he?
Richard Thurston
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Before you buy.
Jay
"One never knows, do one?" - Fats Waller
"George Larson" <panja...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>Alright, wait a minute, I can't add to much info about Aaron Scott (other
>than the recommendation to get the album "Remembering John" by the Tyner
>Trio, especially the track "India"), but I need to contradict both Jay and
>Kurt. First, Jay, Aaron is definitely different from the other cats you list
>that have played with McCoy, and maybe it's because I'm a bit young, but I
>find Aaron's playing to be an excellent blend of many contemporary
>approaches to the drum kit. Sometimes in his business I hear Rashid Ali, in
>his flowing independence I hear a variation on some of the things Jack
>DeJohnette will do (a la Irresistible Forces), in his groove I hear an
>almost rock-ish approach, very driving. I think I find his playing like a
>link between what I grew up with (which was ultra "white" i.e., drum corps,
>heavy metal, and progressive rock) and the roots of Elvin and Max (not to
>say they are THE roots, but I hear them in Aaron's playing). His approach
>lets me see all these influences and as a result, he is one of my favorite
>contemporary jazz players.
> Now, Kurt, I know this all opinion, but Avery is the weak link? I can't
>see how anyone could feel that way. I have seen the McCoy Tyner Trio a bunch
>(sometimes with guests Bobby Hutcherson or Randy Brecker) and the thing that
>always blows my mind is how anyone can keep up with McCoy. But I feel that
>Aaron and Avery are up to the task, and if either of them every look less
>than stellar, it is only because not many players can stand the comparison
>to Tyner.
> George
Kurt wrote:
> I have to take some exception to this opinion. I have seen alot of live music,
> and Aaron Scott's drum solo when Tyner was in Chapel Hill a couple of years
> ago was spellbinding. I have never seen anyone do a better solo. Most of
> the time, I can't wait till it's over. This one was long and consistently thoughout
> very interesting. Actually, I (and my firends) thought Avery was the weak link.
I've heard one or two people say this before, and I just don't get it. Avery
IMHO, is one of the better bass soloists playing. I thought his accompaniment
was really solid as well. Was it just his overall sound you didn't like, or
was it something specific about his playing?
--paul
--
This is an odd thread. As with Aaron Scott the drummer, Avery Sharpe
has played with Tyner since at least 1990. McCoy Tyner is unable to
figure out how he wants his band to sound? He somehow would hire (and
spend years with) folks who can't really play? Of course not.
Well, I don't think anyone's suggesting Avery or Aaron can't play. It's
just that Kurt felt that Avery was the weak link (which may just mean
he didn't feel Avery was the best player for that particular group).
I then asked Kurt why he felt this way, considering I think Avery kicks
ass. Don't really remember anyone suggesting Tyner didn't know how he wanted
his band to sound, or anything like that.
--paul
Generally I find that good jazz drummers who excel in the support role, also
come up with the more interesting drum solos.
-JC
Ah, okay, you nailed it when you said you weren't crazy about Mouzon or
Cobham with Tyner. I am. I think Aaron is probably more in that direction.
Something you said further on brought up a question in my mind, though.
Quote:
"I just can't group him in the same creative genre of players like Elvin,
Kamau, Louis Hayes, & Billy Hart." (btw, that's tough company, and I'm not
sure I could include Aaron Scott in THAT particular group either) I'm
wondering if there are rock (or "straight-eighth") guys that you would put
in the "creative" category? I have a few in mind off the top of my head but
I want to see if your brain works like mine without tipping the scales. I
understand that you're a jazz cat and so probably the majority of your
listening is to that genre, but I'm interested in your thoughts on different
styles' creative players.
Later,
George
Jay Epstein <x@x.x> wrote in message
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> > I have to take some exception to this opinion. I have seen alot of live
music,
> > and Aaron Scott's drum solo when Tyner was in Chapel Hill a couple of
years
> > ago was spellbinding. I have never seen anyone do a better solo. Most of
> > the time, I can't wait till it's over. This one was long and
consistently thoughout
> > very interesting. Actually, I (and my firends) thought Avery was the
weak link.
>
I'd agree to an extent. I liked some of the things Scott executed, ut I
found his build-up to climax a tad frustrating, as he usually reached his
peak level of intensity before McCoy was ready to reach his. I saw Tyner
play four sets (two different nights) and noticed over time that Scott was
least effective on the longer tunes, probably for this reason. I found Avery
Sharpe to be excellent as a soloist and accompanist, and thought the band on
the whole, was still one of the best I've ever seen, FWIW.
(Note: I realized at the time and still do that Aaron's style is not
terribly Elvin Jones derivitive: impressive, but not the way to win me over
;)
--
Murph
> Nordwell, Kurt (BNR:BNRTP:3I38) (nord...@nortelnetworks.com) wrote:
> :very interesting. Actually, I (and my firends) thought Avery was the weak link.
> :
>
> I've heard one or two people say this before, and I just don't get it. Avery
> IMHO, is one of the better bass soloists playing. I thought his accompaniment
> was really solid as well. Was it just his overall sound you didn't like, or
> was it something specific about his playing?
>
> --paul
He did not seem as musically connected as Tyner and Aaron were. He seemed lost
and tentative at times; I could hear it and see it. Perhaps he was in sync, but he
was not possessed like Tyner and Aaron.
Peace,
Kurt
Later,
George
Jay Epstein <x@x.x> wrote in message
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> George,
> I hope you didn't get Carpel Tunnel Syndrome answering typing this! :-)
> I'm not as much of a fan of fusion as you, and you sure mentioned some
> great players, but Bissonette with Tyner seems like a square plug in a
> round hole to me! I don't know of Tyner recording with or playing with Jack
> & Dave, but that would be wonderful. Have you heard the bootleg of
> DeJohnette, Holland, Metheny, & Herbie Hancock - Parallel Realities Live?
> The bootleg is a CD recorded off the video. I think you'd dig it.
>
> Jay
> "One never knows, do one?" - Fats Waller
>
Jay,
I agree. Bissonette with ANY jazz player would be fucked up. The guy could not
swing from a rope. It is difficult for many to get what we are talking about as
far as "jazz" guys go. The Stewarts, Blades, Tains, Jacks etc. are the real
thing. They guys coming from the fusion end ala Weckl, Bissonette etc., etc.,
just do not cut it. I saw Ronnie Barrage with McCoy when I was in high school and
he tore it up.
Later,
George
Jay Epstein <x@x.x> wrote in message
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Jay and I were specifically taking 'swing' out of the necessities of our
considerations. And, further, the fusion guys are great players. They don't
get 'something' that's true, but what they don't get is you. They get me.
Rod Morgenstein speaks to my soul as much (and more) than Elvin ever could
hope to, it's not good or bad or right or wrong once it's at a certain
level, it's just different. I mean, Weckl isn't totally my cup of tea
either, but he's not a bad a drummer, he's not even a bad swing drummer, you
just don't like his interpretation and feel, fine. I don't know why you feel
so threatened when someone doesn't see things your way. Just swing, baby is
not the mantra it once was, and it probably never should have been. Saying
it sucks if it doesn't swing is as stupid as saying it sucks because it
swings. It is flawed logic.
Later,
George
Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Jay Epstein wrote:
>
> > George,
> > I hope you didn't get Carpel Tunnel Syndrome answering typing this! :-)
> > I'm not as much of a fan of fusion as you, and you sure mentioned some
> > great players, but Bissonette with Tyner seems like a square plug in a
> > round hole to me! I don't know of Tyner recording with or playing with
Jack
> > & Dave, but that would be wonderful. Have you heard the bootleg of
> > DeJohnette, Holland, Metheny, & Herbie Hancock - Parallel Realities
Live?
> > The bootleg is a CD recorded off the video. I think you'd dig it.
> >
> > Jay
> > "One never knows, do one?" - Fats Waller
> >
>