Ringo Starr vs. Dennis Wilson
z11
I've asked this on the Beatles and Beach Boys groups but I thought it might
be nice to get an unbiased (and educated) opinion.
King Mullet
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ChodeMasterJ
I have to agree. I think they both suck and are pathetic examples of what a
drummer should be. that prob sounded harsh. oh well. they'll get over it.
James
Ed Pierce
>
>I've asked this on the Beatles and Beach Boys groups but I thought it might
>be nice to get an unbiased (and educated) opinion.
>
>
As a big Beatles and Beach Boys fan, I can say without hesitation that Ringo
was better. Now, whether or not Ringo is better than Hal Blaine (who played on
virtually all the Beach Boys' hits) is another question. :-)
Actually, Dennis was not a bad rock drummer at all. On the stuff which he did
actually play (including live recordings), he showed himself to be a pretty
solid and energetic rock and roll drummer. For about a year in the early 70's
Dennis couldn't play live because he injured his hand, and the drumming chores
were performed by Ricky Fataar. Unfortunately almost everything Ricky recorded
with the band during this period ranged between lackluster and downright
dreadful (the tunes, not his great drumming, that is).
Ed Pierce
Lyle Caldwell
played drums on the important Beach Boys albums) was a better drummer than
Ringo, technically, but didn't record anything with the Beach Boys as
innovative and influential as Ringo did with the Beatles.
--
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dave
all that...
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Az hosers
In the begining he played rock feel time-but as the beatles got bigger and time
went along--he played very little time and instead became a master of sloppy
drumming.
HOWEVER-he was a master! Dennis Wilson was just a drummer--most of the drums on
Beach boys recording is not Dennis. There was a reference to Hal Blaine--Hal
Blaine was The Steve Gadd of his time--He is the drummer on tons on tunes from
the 60's thru the 80's
Now how come nobody has mentioned Sandy Nelson yet???
DDSD
Kyrre Laastad
a
> drummer should be. that prob sounded harsh. oh well. they'll get over it.
And you are a pathetic example of how open-minded a true artist should be.
peace,
--Kyrre
Shawn Martin
>Who's the better drummer?
>
>I've asked this on the Beatles and Beach Boys groups but I thought it might
>be nice to get an unbiased (and educated) opinion.
>
The only reason Dennis became *drummer* is because they needed one.
He never played before "Surfin" was recorded, and as soon as they hit
the big time, Hal Blaine played most of the drum tracks in the studio.
Shawn Martin
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Vits
Lyle Caldwell
requirements for a drummer. Dennis Wilson didn't meet that standard.
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PeriscopeR
any day of the week.
e
nick amoroso
in that case, hal blaine.
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nick amoroso
>drummer should be. that prob sounded harsh. oh well. they'll get over it.
>
>James
ignorance is bliss.
nick amoroso
>
>any day of the week.
amen.
but, i'd also rather listen to the girl from the white stripes than dave weckl.
any day of the week. :-)
Mark Polis
that has ever lived.
My definition of a great drummer doesn't have to do with his pyrotechnical
abilities, though - it has to do with his contribution to the music, and the
feel he imparts as an integral component of the band.
I don't know much about Dennis Wilson, other than Hal Blaine did a lot of
the Beach Boys' drum parts. I did like the feel of the Beach Boys music
very much, however, so whoever did it, kudos to them.
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Lyle Caldwell
pinnacle of pop drumming in the 60s. Ringo changed the paradigm.
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> I would emphatically say that Ringo was one of the greatest rock drummers
> that has ever lived.
> My definition of a great drummer doesn't have to do with his pyrotechnical
> abilities, though - it has to do with his contribution to the music, and
the
> feel he imparts as an integral component of the band.
>
> I don't know much about Dennis Wilson, other than Hal Blaine did a lot of
> the Beach Boys' drum parts. I did like the feel of the Beach Boys music
> very much, however, so whoever did it, kudos to them.
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Ed Pierce
>requirements for a drummer. Dennis Wilson didn't meet that standard.
>
>--
>Lyle Caldwell
Man, I disagree, Lyle (that is, that Dennis didn't meet that standard). As far
as I know Dennis played drums on "Surfin' Safari", "409", "Shut Down", and some
of their other early hits before Hal took over. He also can be heard on "Girl
Don't Tell Me" (one of the few mid-sixties tunes on which the Beach Boys play
all the instruments) and some alternate takes that appear on some of their CDs.
His drumming is quite competent, if unspectacular. The two live albums on
which he appears ("Concert" from '64 and "Live in London" from '68 or '69)
actually contain some pretty driving drumming at times.
He actually has a track off of their 1964 album "Shut Down vol. 2" called
"Denny's Drums" that's a two minute drum solo (I know, how ironic to give
Dennis a drum feature on album where he plays on nothing else). I'm pretty
sure he's drumming on it, unless Hal did it and intentionally tried to sound
less than polished. It's really not bad at all, though (again) nothing to
write home about.
Ed
Lyle Caldwell
of. Perhaps he was better before the drugs and alcohol took their toll.
Either way, if Surfin Safari was his peak achievement, he was still
mediocre. Not in the league of Ringo and Blaine.
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Psionic Media, Inc.
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Ed Pierce
I don't know about the early 70's, but definitely by the late 70's/early 80's,
you're right, the drugs had taken quite a toll. By that time
the Beach Boys were using a solid professional drummer on live shows, and they
let Dennis flail away at another set (unmiked?) alongside him. The clips I've
seen of that were pretty horrible.
I don't know if "Surfin' Safari" was his peak achievement, but to be fair, he'd
only been playing drums around a year when they recorded that song (the Beach
Boys were interesting in that they formed a band, had a hit, and THEN decided
to learn to play instruments).
Of course Dennis Wilson is not even close to being on the same level as Ringo
and Hal Blaine. But he was at least competent at one point. I think I even
read something once by Hal Blaine (in his book or in an interview somewhere) in
which he said he thought Dennis was a good drummer (although he said that he
was an even better piano player).
Ed
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Ouch. =)
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Shawn Martin
Cut Dennis some slack. Nobody would be able to swim that well after a
day of heavy drinking :-)
Robert Schuh
Wow,
Yet another mindless AOL fucking moron. Listen Skippy, I am willing to bet you
can't even play a decent double stroke roll. Grow up you fucking moron.
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ChodeMasterJ
>Yet another mindless AOL fucking moron.
Wow. You're using the AOL stigma thing again. Good job.
> Listen Skippy, I am willing to bet you
>can't even play a decent double stroke roll.
Um.....my freshman year of high school I went to the University of Texas for
State Competition for playing guess what? A snare drum!! Granted I only got a
silver at the state level, I still made it to that point. IIRC, I could play a
decent double stroke roll around 5th or 6th grade (I'm 22).
>Grow up you fucking moron.
Ok. Let me ask you this Mr. Schuh: How old are you? I'd say 30's or 40's. You
were a competetive bodybuilders in the late 80's, correct? Don't you think
someone your age should be acting a little more mature towards other people?
Just because I disagree with you on something doesn't make me a "fucking
moron". That show's right there that you should be the one growing up, sir.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
What, in your opinion, was so great about Starr or Wilson? I think that they
both had little or no talent. They were drummers in successful bands. Does that
automatically make you a drum virtuoso? It usually doesn't. If that was the
case, I could jump down your throat every time you insulted one of the drummers
that I think is great.
Take any drummer from a top 40 band today. Most (notice I said MOST, and not
ALL) have much more talent than Starr or Wilson. They played a part in the
early parts of Rock n Roll. That's great, I respect them for that. But as for
talent, they pale in comparison to even some of today's more mediocre drummers.
I read in a Modern Drummer interview with Ringo from a few years back where he
says that he cannot even do a simple snare-tom-lower-tom type fill. He can only
do them in reverse. If this was the case with a drummer from today, many here
would chastise them for their lack of talent. Or maybe I am wrong.
Have a good day Mr. Schuh.
James
nick amoroso
>he
>says that he cannot even do a simple snare-tom-lower-tom type fill. He can
>only
>do them in reverse.
you read incorrectly.
"I can't do a drum roll to this day."
"I never did solos. I hated solos."
~ ringo starr - modern drummer magazine - december 1988
hmm. sounds like someone else i've heard:
"I hate solos, I don't have the chops to play a solo anyhow. Seriously, I've
always hated drum solos. The only ones I ever liked were Elvin Jones' stuff -
jazz players - because they played 12-bar phrases and they were real musical.
But I never came across a musical composition that I played on that was worthy
of a drum solo, aside from some obnoxious 'show-off-your-shit' kind of thing."
~ jeff porcaro - modern drummer magazine - february 1983
you don't think *jeff porcaro* was a bad drummer... do you?
you seem like someone who's mind is open to knowledge, so before you reply with
more obvious ignorance about ringo starr, you may want to read up some. i'd
suggest beginning here:
http://web2.iadfw.net/gshultz/bryant.html
there's a whole lot more, but that should be enough for now.
in the meantime, however, may we see a list of your recording credits, please?
thanks!
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nick amoroso
>>I read in a Modern Drummer interview with Ringo from a few years back where
>>he says that he cannot even do a simple snare-tom-lower-tom type fill. He can
>>only
>>do them in reverse.
"hey jude"
"ticket to ride"
"come together"
those three immediately come to mind as beatles songs with "simple
snare-tom-lower-tom type" drum fills.
aw, hell, it was probably purdie anyway.
ChodeMasterJ
>
>"I can't do a drum roll to this day."
>"I never did solos. I hated solos."
>
>~ ringo starr - modern drummer magazine - december 1988
This was in an issue in the late 90's. I didn't start reading MD until fall of
95.
>you don't think *jeff porcaro* was a bad drummer... do you?
>
to tell you the truth, I've never heard any of his stuff (that I know of). Most
of the big named drummers that everyone thinks are so great don't play the type
of music that I enjoy. I think Neil Peart is a great drummer. That's someone
who I've seen people agree on that he's pretty good.
My music collection doesn't consist of prog rock or old jazz. the only type of
jazz I like is big band stuff. I'm not discrediting anyone who plays jazz or
prog rock, I'm just saying that it's not for me. I've heard plenty of good
drummers though, even though some would disagree that they were "good". I still
think Buddy Rich could kick most drummer's of today's asses.
>you seem like someone who's mind is open to knowledge
I am. Am I portraying myself in a way that would speak otherwise?
>so before you reply with
>more obvious ignorance about ringo starr,
My disagreeing with people here about Ringo Starr automatically gets me branded
as "ignorant"? I own Beatles material. I like some of it. But I'm not gonna say
that just because the band was good and was successful that the drummer
automatically is the same.
>you may want to read up some. i'd
>suggest beginning here:
>
>http://web2.iadfw.net/gshultz/bryant.html
I read it. I still have the same opinion about him that I had 5 minutes ago
before I read the page.
>in the meantime, however, may we see a list of your recording credits,
>please?
I have no recording credits. I played in elementary, middle, high school, and
in college. I play because I like it. Just because I don't have any
endorsements or recording credits doesn't mean that my opinion is worth any
less. Since when do I have to have recording credits to post my opinion on a
drummer?
I mean I'm happy for you and everyone else here that regularly gigs and records
and endorses products. Kudos to everyone. But I'm not some kid who just
discovered drums and hasn't yet paid my dues. I've been playing since 1988.
I've got experience. I might be new to this group, but I'm not new to drumming
in general.
I still have the right to post my opinion on on topic discussion. I'm not
saying you have to read it. I'm not saying you have to agree with it. If you
think I'm a doof and that I don't know what I'm talking about, then killfile me
or skip over my posts. But when someone asks the group a question, I have the
right to answer it, whether you agree with my answer or not.
Damn...I didn't think dissing Ringo would cause so much trouble.
James
Robert Schuh
> >Wow,
> >Yet another mindless AOL fucking moron.
>
> Wow. You're using the AOL stigma thing again. Good job.
>
> > Listen Skippy, I am willing to bet you
> >can't even play a decent double stroke roll.
>
> Um.....my freshman year of high school I went to the University of Texas for
> State Competition for playing guess what? A snare drum!! Granted I only got a
> silver at the state level, I still made it to that point. IIRC, I could play a
> decent double stroke roll around 5th or 6th grade (I'm 22).
Wow! That is really exciting. That and a 50 cents will buy you a newspaper. BTW,
you are not even bright enough to spell Choad correctly. How far did you get in
school skippy? Typical AOL fuck.
>
>
> >Grow up you fucking moron.
>
> Ok. Let me ask you this Mr. Schuh: How old are you? I'd say 30's or 40's. You
> were a competetive bodybuilders in the late 80's, correct? Don't you think
> someone your age should be acting a little more mature towards other people?
Sorry Butchy, but I call a spade a spade. YOU were the one who started the thread
attacking Ringo. I can guarantee that you can't play for shit, so keep your pie
hole shut.
>
>
> Just because I disagree with you on something doesn't make me a "fucking
> moron". That show's right there that you should be the one growing up, sir.
> Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Sorry,
Yours was not an opinion. It was an uneducated attack. Butch up a bit Skippy.
>
>
> What, in your opinion, was so great about Starr or Wilson? I think that they
> both had little or no talent. They were drummers in successful bands. Does that
> automatically make you a drum virtuoso? It usually doesn't. If that was the
> case, I could jump down your throat every time you insulted one of the drummers
> that I think is great.
NO ONE cares what an anonymous little AOL fuck thinks.
>
>
> Take any drummer from a top 40 band today. Most (notice I said MOST, and not
> ALL) have much more talent than Starr or Wilson.
The drummers in Top 40 bands today suck. Face facts moron. Name one who can play.
> They played a part in the
> early parts of Rock n Roll. That's great, I respect them for that. But as for
> talent, they pale in comparison to even some of today's more mediocre drummers.
>
You really are a dolt. Name one that has the kind of influence that Ringo did or
played on ANY music that was even 1000th as significant as the Beatles.
>
> I read in a Modern Drummer interview with Ringo from a few years back where he
> says that he cannot even do a simple snare-tom-lower-tom type fill. He can only
> do them in reverse. If this was the case with a drummer from today, many here
> would chastise them for their lack of talent. Or maybe I am wrong.
>
> Have a good day Mr. Schuh.
>
> James
Sorry James,
But your calling THE most influential rock drummer of all time a hack is moronic.
Yes, morons use AOL. I have NEVER been proven wrong. I suggest you butch up. You
are an ignorant little fuck. BTW, Modern Drummer is THE worst rag out there.
Typical for an uneducated AOL fuck to quote MD.
Robert Schuh
Robert Schuh
Better than Mary Jo Kopechne? :-)
Robert Schuh
I second that motion.
nick amoroso
>>you read incorrectly.
>>
>>"I can't do a drum roll to this day."
>>"I never did solos. I hated solos."
>>
>>~ ringo starr - modern drummer magazine - december 1988
>
>This was in an issue in the late 90's. I didn't start reading MD until fall
>of
>95.
irrelevant, since he's done the type of fill you describe, many times over, in
many beatles songs. either he was joking in the interview, or you read it
incorrectly.
in any case, he obviously knows how to execute the fill.
>
>>you don't think *jeff porcaro* was a bad drummer... do you?
>>
>
>to tell you the truth, I've never heard any of his stuff (that I know of).
>Most
>of the big named drummers that everyone thinks are so great don't play the
>type
>of music that I enjoy.
i'm sorry you choose to limit yourself as a musician.
>I think Neil Peart is a great drummer. That's someone
>who I've seen people agree on that he's pretty good.
>
yes, including myself. peart's also the type of drummer that one tends to
"grow out of," musically. including myself. see pat macdonald's post on the
rush show to see what i'm talking about.
i don't really know what any of this has to do with ringo, however. other than
the fact that peart has a great deal of admiration for ringo and his playing.
>My music collection doesn't consist of prog rock or old jazz. the only type
>of
>jazz I like is big band stuff. I'm not discrediting anyone who plays jazz or
>prog rock, I'm just saying that it's not for me. I've heard plenty of good
>drummers though, even though some would disagree that they were "good". I
>still
>think Buddy Rich could kick most drummer's of today's asses.
>
>>you seem like someone who's mind is open to knowledge
>
>I am. Am I portraying myself in a way that would speak otherwise?
>
absolutely. easily seen in your own words:
"Most of the big named drummers that everyone thinks are so great don't play
the
type of music that I enjoy."
we talk about a LOT of drummers here. tons. millions. eleventy googol.
either you have more "refined" tastes than the rest of us, or you are just like
the rest of us, and still have a lot to learn about music.
although i don't know you, i think i'll go with option #2. :-)
ChodeMasterJ
>BTW,
>you are not even bright enough to spell Choad correctly. How far did you get
>in
>school skippy? Typical AOL fuck.
>
I'm actually a junior in college. How far did you get, Skippy?
>YOU were the one who started the thread
>attacking Ringo.
Actually I didn't. I merely replied to it. Ask Google....
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&th=c351db0ee1280d0c&rnum=3
A person by the name of z11 (v...@cqc.com) started it.
>Sorry,
>Yours was not an opinion.
Saying Ringo sucks isn't an opinion? How so?
>It was an uneducated attack.
I've been a student of the drums for around 13 or 14 years.
>NO ONE cares what an anonymous little AOL fuck thinks.
>
Is this how you always think, Rob? Someone disagrees with you and you call them
"an anonymous little AOL fuck"? That's *SO* grown up, man.
>The drummers in Top 40 bands today suck.
*That* is your opinion, I respect that.
>Name one who can play.
Shit, at my record store, the #1 album is Bruce Springsteen. Max Weinberg is a
hell of a lot better than Ringo, in my opinion.
>You really are a dolt.
Thanks man.
>Name one that has the kind of influence that Ringo did or
>played on ANY music that was even 1000th as significant as the Beatles.
Ringo was important, yes. I'm not disputing that fact. Being important doesn't
automatically make you a good player does it? I think not. If I'm thinking
wrong, correct me, Rob.
>Sorry James,
>But your calling THE most influential rock drummer of all time a hack is
>moronic.
Most influential doesn't make you a good drummer, Rob!!
>Yes, morons use AOL.
Hey man, I use what my parents use. I'd prefer a cable modem, because AOL's
been pissing me off lately.
>I have NEVER been proven wrong.
You sound pretty sure of yourself.
> I suggest you butch up. You
>are an ignorant little fuck.
Once again....thanks. I'm glad to know that you think that I'm "am ignorant
little fuck". What you think of me means *SO* much to me. When I go to bed
tonight, I'll shed a tear because you think I suck.
>
>are an ignorant little fuck. BTW, Modern Drummer is THE worst rag out there.
What, in your opinion, is better?
>Typical for an uneducated AOL fuck to quote MD.
>
Didn't Nick quote MD? Are you calling him uneducated also?
James
ChodeMasterJ
>the rest of us, and still have a lot to learn about music.
Have I said that I know all about music? I don't recall saying that. I'll be
the first to admit that I don't know everything about music. No one can.
Look Nick. I'm not trying to start a war here over whether or not Ringo is a
great drummer or not. Most people here think he is, while I don't. Bitching
back and forth at each other about who we think is better isn't going to settle
anything. You think he's great....that's cool. I think he sucks.....that's cool
also. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, whether or not I've gotten
recording credits, endorsements, or not. I can't change your opinion and you
can't change mine. Would you like to be adults and agree to disagree? I'm all
for that.
James
Robert Schuh
I pondered not replying at all to your stupid remarks, but I figured I would.>BTW,
>you are not even bright enough to spell Choad correctly. How far did you get
>in
>school skippy? Typical AOL fuck.
>I'm actually a junior in college. How far did you get, Skippy?
>YOU were the one who started the thread
>attacking Ringo.Actually I didn't. I merely replied to it. Ask Google....
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&th=c351db0ee1280d0c&rnum=3
A person by the name of z11 (v...@cqc.com) started it.
>Sorry,
>Yours was not an opinion.Saying Ringo sucks isn't an opinion? How so?
>It was an uneducated attack.
I've been a student of the drums for around 13 or 14 years.
>NO ONE cares what an anonymous little AOL fuck thinks.
>Is this how you always think, Rob? Someone disagrees with you and you call them
"an anonymous little AOL fuck"? That's *SO* grown up, man.
>The drummers in Top 40 bands today suck.
*That* is your opinion, I respect that.
>Name one who can play.
Shit, at my record store, the #1 album is Bruce Springsteen. Max Weinberg is a
hell of a lot better than Ringo, in my opinion.
>You really are a dolt.
Thanks man.
>Name one that has the kind of influence that Ringo did or
>played on ANY music that was even 1000th as significant as the Beatles.Ringo was important, yes. I'm not disputing that fact. Being important doesn't
automatically make you a good player does it? I think not. If I'm thinking
wrong, correct me, Rob.
>Sorry James,
>But your calling THE most influential rock drummer of all time a hack is
>moronic.Most influential doesn't make you a good drummer, Rob!!
>Yes, morons use AOL.
Hey man, I use what my parents use. I'd prefer a cable modem, because AOL's
been pissing me off lately.>I have NEVER been proven wrong.
You sound pretty sure of yourself.
> I suggest you butch up. You
>are an ignorant little fuck.Once again....thanks. I'm glad to know that you think that I'm "am ignorant
little fuck". What you think of me means *SO* much to me. When I go to bed
tonight, I'll shed a tear because you think I suck.
>
>are an ignorant little fuck. BTW, Modern Drummer is THE worst rag out there.What, in your opinion, is better?
>Typical for an uneducated AOL fuck to quote MD.
>Didn't Nick quote MD? Are you calling him uneducated also?
James
I know Nick to think on his own. So far, you sound more like my
pet Macaw Albert! :-) Seriously man, listen to the MUSIC! If you think
that Neil Peart or Dave Weckl or any other wankers like those guys would
have sounded better with the Beatles or the Stones, then I think you need
to get an ear transplant. I am not sure if they are doing those yet but
it can't hurt to check into it! :-) BTW, I had a kidney transplant and
the anti rejection meds aren't too bad these days! ;-)
ChodeMasterJ
browser won't display your response. you know, stupid AOL..... :-). Thanks.
James
>Subject: Re: Ringo Starr vs. Dennis Wilson
>From: r...@robschuh.com
>Date: 8/17/2002 4:11 AM Central Daylight Time
Pete Pemberton
>
> Have I said that I know all about music? I don't recall saying that. I'll
be
> the first to admit that I don't know everything about music. No one can.
>
> Look Nick. I'm not trying to start a war here over whether or not Ringo is
a
> great drummer or not. Most people here think he is, while I don't.
Do you understand why we think (know) he is a great drummer? That is the
real question.
PP
Pete Pemberton
>
> Shit, at my record store, the #1 album is Bruce Springsteen. Max Weinberg
is a
> hell of a lot better than Ringo, in my opinion.
wow.
PP
jmt
You exclaimed,"Damn...I didn't think dissing Ringo would cause so
much trouble."
Never mess with the OldGuys kid...
Elderly but ancient;
jmt
--
"The world is a bad joke, in very poor taste, created by the
Almighty on a very bad day; I'm inclined to believe he had a hangover
that morning..."
jmt
You related the profoundly interesting anecdote,
> "I read in a Modern Drummer interview with Ringo from a few years back where he
> says that he cannot even do a simple snare-tom-lower-tom type fill. He can only
> do them in reverse. If this was the case with a drummer from today, many here
> would chastise them for their lack of talent."
In a decade or two, after you've played a few thousand gigs, you
will look back fondly on your ignorance and, with luck, you will realize
the following: Ringo's drumming has S t y l e. Same with Charlie Watts
and many others. It works. It feels good.
That's all that matters;
jmt
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BlueM0ZARK
Now it's down to $100?
BlueM0ZARK
He always wants to bet 1k. What happened to the other $500?
Shawn Martin
blathered:
>Look Nick. I'm not trying to start a war here over whether or not Ringo is a
>great drummer or not. Most people here think he is, while I don't. Bitching
>back and forth at each other about who we think is better isn't going to settle
>anything. You think he's great....that's cool. I think he sucks.....that's cool
>also. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, whether or not I've gotten
>recording credits, endorsements, or not. I can't change your opinion and you
>can't change mine. Would you like to be adults and agree to disagree? I'm all
>for that.
The point Nick is trying to make..or if he isn't, I'm making it :-)...
is that Ringo is a player that most drummers don't appreciate until
they get to a certain *maturity* level. It looks like you haven't
reached that level yet, and perhaps never will.
Pete Pemberton
"BlueM0ZARK" <bluem...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> < I have $100.00 that this dolt wants to buy an Orange County kit? <
>
> Now it's down to $100?
Was this really worthwhile?
PP
nick amoroso
yeah. LOL! thanks!
Robert Schuh
> Roberto;
> You mentioned,"Can you
> name ANY other instrument where someone would be applauded for playing
> an exercise slow
> to fast?
>
> r o f l m a o;
> jmt
>
It is true. I have brought this up many times. Can you imagine if Sonny
Rollins were to give a clinic or seminar at a Jazz school and get up there
and run a C major scale up and down the sax slow to fast? EVERYONE would
look at him and thing, "what the fuck?" Why is it OK for drummers to be
unmusical? I remember watching the DVD to one of those horrible MD festivals
where that guy Jo Jo Mayer in fact, did NOTHING but a double stroke roll
slow to fast to slow and these mindless drumming fucks stood up and gave him
an ovation. That is fucked up. How about making some music? You can take a
double stroke roll and use it on the kit and make music with it, but to just
regurgitate some mindless exercise is silly. That is why I really enjoyed
Peter Erskine's clinic when he came to PHX. His entire clinic was based upon
music, NOT mindless chop and gear bullshit. 99% of this is all do to Modern
Drummer magazine. It is THE most fucked up rag going. It is all about who
endorses what and who is popular etc. Someone needs to start up a drum
related magazine that talks about music and that does not suck up to EVERY
manufacturer out there. Their reviews are the biggest load of crap I have
ever seen. BTW, that one cat who runs it needs to take all the $ he is
stealing from drummers and buy a new rug! :-) BTW, DRUM is not any better.
Anthony Giampa
I used AOL for several years Rob. That's proof. =)
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Anthony Giampa; Impe...@vsccs.com or Impe...@cox.net
"That's funny, 'cause we're stunt musicians." -- Ben Folds
"No, but I have a barber named Dominique." -- G. Threepwood
when asked 'Do you have a cousin named Sven?'
"Robert Schuh" <r...@robschuh.com> wrote in message
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nick amoroso
yes, you have. right here. :-)
Howard Hess
wrote:
>forgot something. :-)
>
>>>I read in a Modern Drummer interview with Ringo from a few years back where
>>>he says that he cannot even do a simple snare-tom-lower-tom type fill. He can
>>>only
>>>do them in reverse.
>
>"hey jude"
>"ticket to ride"
>"come together"
>
>those three immediately come to mind as beatles songs with "simple
>snare-tom-lower-tom type" drum fills.
Whereas the snare/tom/tom fills in "A Day in the Life" aren't simple.
MasterJ,
You might want to re-read that Modern Drummer, or read a few more
things about Ringo's drumming. He's a southpaw playing a right-handed
kit, generally leading his fills with his left hand.
A fill that would be simple to a right-handed drummer isn't
straightforward to a lefty. And re-creating Ringo fills isn't always
straightforward to a righty.
Az hosers
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DDSD
bja...@users.iwaynet.net
> That is why I really enjoyed
> Peter Erskine's clinic when he came to PHX. His entire clinic was based upon
> music, NOT mindless chop and gear bullshit. 99% of this is all do to Modern
> Drummer magazine. It is THE most fucked up rag going. It is all about who
> endorses what and who is popular etc.
Hey Rob, what you don't understand is that if you went out
and spent a ton of cash to exactly duplicate Elvin's or Peter's
gear, THEN you'd be able to play just like them! You'd
be a SUPERDRUMMER too! The folks at MD know this!
:-)
Benj
PS. Yes, I have to agree that Erskine's clinics are ALL
about musical drumming and nothing about show-off excercises.
But also Peter is a lot like Rob in that one time he's
all hot on one particular way of doing things and is
telling you it's THE shit, and the next time you see him
his tastes have changed and he's reversed himself 180 degrees!
Which is to be expected because when you emphasize music,
then taste and opinion enters in.
