Ebay seller claiming Zildjian - marked by Manny's
drumoon
Would the person who explained previously that Zildjian sold seconds to
stores for their own branding please elaborate? (or anyone else?) I'm still
a little bothered by this item. This is the only Zildjian I've ever seen
that was not marked as such, and the tonal grooves seem very shallow in the
photo for a Zildjian.
I still don' t think its a Zildjian, and now they're selling it right out as
one, because it didn't even get a single bid when they listed it somewhat
truthfully as only possibly a Zildjian.
As a Manny's cymbal it holds an interesting history already, and I might
pay maybe $30 for it. As an 18" Zildjian it is worth a lot more to me.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1466739463
- Drumoon
Shawn Martin
said all this stuff...
Manny's bought Zildjian seconds and sold them with the Manny's logo on
them. This wasn't uncommon. A lot of shops and drum companies sold kits
with Zildjian rejects with various names on them. I bought a set of hi-
hats through Joe Voda's Drum City in Omaha years ago that had Joe's
"DC1000" logo on them. They were early Sabian cymbals that he had made
with his logo. They weren't marked as Sabians nor were the cymbals that
Zildjian sold to various companies. From a value standpoint, none of
them are worth much. Soundwise, a lot of them were as good as the
genuine Zildjians (or Paistes, Sabians etc).
--
Shawn Martin
drummer (at) sunvalley.net
America's Ace Drummer Man Gene Krupa
http://www.drummerman.net
Tony
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<SNIP!>
> As a Manny's cymbal it holds an interesting history already, and I might
> pay maybe $30 for it. As an 18" Zildjian it is worth a lot more to me.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1466739463
I say email or call Zildjian or Manny ask them. If they're a straight up
company, which we have no reason to believe otherwise, they'll tell you the
truth.
---
Tony
drumoon
Any information about the history of cymbals is of great interest to me.
Anything anyone else wants to say on the subject, or anything even remotely
related is strongly encouraged.
- Drumoon
"Shawn Martin" <m...@me.me> wrote in message
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Matt Myers
> with Zildjian rejects with various names on them. I bought a set of hi-
> hats through Joe Voda's Drum City in Omaha years ago that had Joe's
> "DC1000" logo on them. They were early Sabian cymbals that he had made
Ugh, I hate Voda's. That was pretty much the only place in Omaha for several
years, and they definitely enjoyed their monopoly. Even after JD Music opened
they were trying to sell stuff like 20" K rides for list price.
Shawn Martin
said all this stuff...
John at JD's is a frickin' crook. I spent so much money with Voda that I
could at least get decent deals. John would ripoff his own mother.
JVN
seen and played two previously and they were as good as anything else I've
heard from Z. The pitch to consumers would have been "this is a cymbal that
Zildjian makes exclusively for Manny's", not "This is a crappy cymbal that we
bought for cheap dollars". That was also at a time where they made a cymbal and
it was not labeled "light", "heavy", "dark", or even "ride", "crash" etc. It
was just a cymbal and it was up to the drummer, not the company how it would be
used (What a concept!). The companies didn't catch on to the idea of labeling
them with a description/model name until after Bill Crowden in Chicago had
great success doing it himself with a rubber stamp in the back room of his
shop.
Where there is no vision, people perish. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
drumoon
But most cymbals have a stamp of the manufacturer. That's more of what I was
asking about. I'm glad to know if a Zildjian is a Scimitar or a ZBT (so I
can run screaming), so in that respect the labeling has become kind of
necessary, but you can tell those cymbals without the model printed on them.
It's the permanent stamp I'm concerned with - I'm surprised a company like
Zildjian would send a cymbal out without one, even if it is meant for a
retailer to "rebrand". Know what I mean?
- Drumoon
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