Field-Trip to Zildjian
George Larson
factory to pick out some cymbals. Some of you might remember my post from a
while ago seeking advice on ride cymbals. I was convinced that 21" was the
right size, but wanted something darker than a Rock ride and I hadn't found
a great Sweet ride either (they're a tad too bright for my main ride,
although read on). Then, not two weeks after that post, I saw an ad for the
Zildjian 21" K Constantinople Big Band Ride. Wow, cool, Zildjian not only
listens to players but they read their minds too. So, anyway, I figured that
would be the winner, so to speak, so I used my super powers (you know, like
the "Brown Hornet") and arranged a trip Zildjian's cymbal birthing center. I
was met with a sign welcoming me ["Zildjian welcomes George Larson" has a
nice ring to it], and a wonderful receptionist. I believe her name was Patty
(I'm not very good with names normally, and I was a little excited to be
back at the home of my favorite cymbals (I visited once before, about five
years ago, at that point I got a great A Custom Flat ride, and an 18" K Ride
with six rivets). Then came Kim (see, I told you I'm bad with names, because
I forget Kim's last name too), who helped me pick out some stuff. He spent
over an hour with me (thanks a million Kim) picking out some really
wonderful pies, here's the brief run-down:
21" K Constantinople Big Band Ride:
Well, duh, this was the whole reason I was there! They had 24 in
stock, I only needed to hear about eight to find mine (I could have kept
going, but it would have been pointless, I knew it was "The One"). There
were two that were really quite wonderful, the stick sound is that dark
click (almost like a nice flat ride or the original DeJohnette series or the
really dry K Custom Dry rides - anyway), but it had volume that that type of
stick sound doesn't usually have. The articulation was unbelievable, but not
at all like a dry ride. There was spread (more on mine in a minute), but the
wash was always controlled. The bells were all excellent, quite cutting
without being clang-y. Now, for mine specifically: WOW The one I found is
drier than the others, almost like there was a weird hammer hit somewhere or
something, it had some wash, but the wash just faded so much quicker than
the others. So, it has the body, and opens up nicely when crashed, but then
gets right out of the way. And the stick sound, well, I think I picked one
of the darkest (I think the darkest one was a little washy, although that's
relative, because none were particularly washy), and the stick click was
amazing, I could not lose it under the spread, but at the same time, there
was body and presence beneath the stick impact sound (and it was that pretty
wash, not a yucky "-innnnnggggggggg" that you get with a real heavy ride). I
think I have found the "George Larson Ride" - finally. (Although what
happens next month when I start playing with that hypothetical thrash band?
Oh well, damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead). I hope everyone checks these
out if you have the chance, they're wonderful!!!!!!
21" Avedis Sweet Ride:
What the hell do you need this for if the K Con. is perfect?
Well, this was a bow to owning at least some versatility. I've liked the
Sweet rides that I've heard, so I knew I wanted to pick one up, and I'll
have no better opportunity. The one I picked has a nice stick sound (there's
a surprise, can anyone guess my main priority with rides?), it was brighter
than the K Con., but nowhere near the brightness of a Ping ride. It was
washier than the K's, but not tons, and the wash stayed polite and
controllable at all times, and it crashes too. What a great, versatile ride.
I feel like the Sweet will be great when I need a little more volume than
the Big Band Ride, but don't want to break out the Rock Ride or (God forbid)
the Mega-Bell Ride. Oh, by the way, the bells on the Sweets were all great
as well, I don't know if it's the best choice for a strictly Latin gig, but
it can cover the all the bases, cutting without overbearing.
I have to do the crashes in a lump:
I went in with a 17" A Custom Crash to match things up with.
15" A Custom Crash
This was beautiful, it opened so well. There was another that
was a little gong-y, but this was, as MD put it, "A big splash."
18" Avedis Thin Crash
The 17" I went with is really thin, and this is about the only
non K crash I could find that has a lower pitch than my 17" A Custom. Very
nice big explosion.
18" K Dark Crash Thin (Brilliant)
This is one of the lowest crashes I've ever heard! It is so thin
that it just roars out at you. The wonderful thing is that it also has
excellent ride qualities. It will work great with my 21" K Con. and the 22"
K Custom Flat as like that third, really light ride (I like something super
light for bass solos).
15" A Custom Crash; 17" A Custom Crash [already mine]; 18" A Thin Crash; 18"
K Dark Crash Thin:
Okay, the best part is how these crashes work together: they are
a cadence!!! (Okay, Kim didn't seem to hear it as much as I did, but I heard
it damn it!) I love to go down my crashes, kind of like toms, or up, or
whatever, but I think melodically anyway, and when I hit these in a
descending row, the 18" A to 18" K seems very cadential. I didn't pay enough
attention at the exact moment to figure out whether it was a perfect fifth
relationship or what, but the 18" K was the tonic by the end, very cool.
13" Azuka Multi-Crash:
This is to complete a family of two splashes I have that
includes 9" and 11" Trash Splashes. The Azuka I picked is dead. I mean that
in a great way, it crashes, gives you what its got, then it's gone. It'll
fit right in with the Trash Splashes.
13" K Hi-Hats (Bottom on top and a Bottom on the bottom)
This was a great last minute idea I had. This set of hats works
great together, they splash real nice (and fairly loud), the chick sound is
strong, and the stick sound is dynamite. Articulation was incredible, I
could play flam drags on these and they'd come through perfectly, but,
again, it wasn't at the expense of tone. They were dark and moody, just with
less wash than thinner ones might have. Now for the REALLY cool part: I have
5 other hi-hat cymbals (not pairs, just 5 other cymbals): two K tops (from a
set of K/Z's and then one that I picked up separately), a pair of Avedis
Mastersounds, and a Z Dyno Beat bottom (from the set of K/Z's). I will now
have 7 13'" cymbals, the possibilities are mind-boggling. I can't wait to
start mixing and matching!
Stuff I tried that didn't follow me home:
20" A Custom China:
This was actually very nice, I just wanted something a little
darker (they didn't have any 19" K Custom Chinas, which is what I was
looking for). Riding was great, I was playing paradiddles between the cymbal
and the floor tom, and they sounded great. The crash sound was very biting,
maybe a hair on the thin side. Very nice, just not what I wanted today.
12" Re-Mix Hi-Hats:
Interesting little buggers these. They got really dry for such
thin hats. I could see them working as an auxiliary pair, but not as mains
for me. The chick was a little wishy-washy, and the splash was kind of thin
as well. Nice closed on a x-hat mount, though.
18" Re-Mix Breakbeat Ride:
Okay, I almost grabbed one of these. VERY funky. Kim said this
is what he recommends to people looking for a ride similar to Steve Gadd's
(which is a K Custom Prototype). My first thought was that it was a
non-brilliant K Custom. That's how it sounds, too. The stick sound is dry
and metallic (sort of like a heavy version of the original DeJohnette line).
The more I think about it the more I feel like I should have grabbed one
today. I just couldn't justify it to myself, though. It is a fairly
one-dimensional sound (plus it's a little limited volume-wise due to its
size), and I'm just not sure I'll ever need that particular sound. It was
really neat, though, anyone who is looking for something a little different
on the dry side should definitely give one a listen.
Okay, so that was my day (wait, I thought you said this was a brief
run-down - sorry, I'm a little excited). After living with my new babies for
a while I'll give some updates. I'm sorry this got so long, it was a very
busy hour indeed! Thanks for reading (assuming there's anyone that made it
this far), I just wanted to share my wonderful experience at Zildjian and
publicly brag about how great the people were and how lucky I am to have my
new bronze beauties! Thank you Zildjian!!!!!!
Take it Easy,
George
John Mooradian
You mean Kim Dunning. He's a friend of mine who lives right by the factory
and i've envied him every day since he started working there (that bastard!).
As far as the cymbals go... you suck!!! Just kidding. I'm a tad envious. Enjoy
those cymbals brother.
George Larson wrote:
--
Just a lazy drunken hillbilly with a heart full of hate who has found a way to
live out there where the REAL winds blow - to sleep late, have fun, get wild,
drink whiskey and drive fast on empty streets with nothing in mind except
falling in love and not getting arrested...
Res ipsa loquitor, Let the good times roll.
George Larson
to higher ups of course) for all his help and wonderful treatment and
respect for a nobody like me. But it would be awkward to address it to "Kim
Iforgethislastname." I must say I thought he must have a cool job too.
Thanks for the well-wishes on the cymbals, they're great, enjoying them
won't be a problem.
George
John Mooradian <Moor...@bc.edu> wrote in message
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Robert Schuh
George,
Did you get a loan from bill Gates for this excursion?? Very cool story. I would
LOVE to have the bread to do that type of thing. Keep us updated on your new
babies.
--
Robert Schuh
"There Can be Only One!"
Trane, Jaco, Jimi and Bird are GODS!
Donate your organs. Save a life.
Proud Endorser of Spaun Drums
George Larson
Robert Schuh <rsc...@intsvc.com> wrote in message
news:37F4D927...@intsvc.com...
> George Larson wrote:
>
> > So, today I had myself a little excursion, as I ventured to the Zildjian
> > factory to pick out some cymbals. Some of you might remember my post
from
<<SNIP>>>
>
> George,
> Did you get a loan from bill Gates for this excursion?? Very cool story. I
would
> LOVE to have the bread to do that type of thing. Keep us updated on your
new
> babies.
>
>
> --
> Robert Schuh
> "There Can be Only One!"
> Trane, Jaco, Jimi and Bird are GODS!
> Donate your organs. Save a life.
> Proud Endorser of Spaun Drums
>
Rob,
Actually, I've been cleaning out a whole bunch of cymbals that I've
acquired over the years and just never developed the long term affection for
that I thought I would (ironically enough, they've mostly been Sabians, I've
only sold one Zildjian, my 22" Ping Ride). So, from the bread I got for the
stuff I got rid of, I'm actually a little richer now, which I think is even
the best part. I got a treasure trove of goodies and it didn't cost me
anything apart from saying goodbye to some cymbals that needed a better home
than I was giving them anyway. I'll definitely keep you posted.
Take it Easy,
George
Tom Betka
<panja...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>Rob,
>
> Actually, I've been cleaning out a whole bunch of cymbals that I've
>acquired over the years and just never developed the long term affection for
>that I thought I would (ironically enough, they've mostly been Sabians, I've
>only sold one Zildjian, my 22" Ping Ride). So, from the bread I got for the
>stuff I got rid of, I'm actually a little richer now, which I think is even
>the best part. I got a treasure trove of goodies and it didn't cost me
>anything apart from saying goodbye to some cymbals that needed a better home
>than I was giving them anyway. I'll definitely keep you posted.
>
>Take it Easy,
>
> George
>
George,
Were they cool with you going there??? Or do you have to know the Pope
or something... I mean could someone like me go there??? I've never
found a really good store around my area that carries alot of
anything. So you don't get to really try stuff. Then when you do find
a store with a larger inventory, they won't let you try stuff.
I end up buying stuff mail order on the recommendation of
others--especially you guys on RMMP. But there's always the risk of me
not liking it, then trying to resell it "used, but like new", then
having Schuh call me a "cum-suckin, scrotum licking choad" or
something like that.... Hell I don't even know what a choad is!!!!!
Tom
Robert Schuh
> On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:59:31 -0400, "George Larson"
> <panja...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> >Rob,
> >
> > Actually, I've been cleaning out a whole bunch of cymbals that I've
> >acquired over the years and just never developed the long term affection for
> >that I thought I would (ironically enough, they've mostly been Sabians, I've
> >only sold one Zildjian, my 22" Ping Ride). So, from the bread I got for the
> >stuff I got rid of, I'm actually a little richer now, which I think is even
> >the best part. I got a treasure trove of goodies and it didn't cost me
> >anything apart from saying goodbye to some cymbals that needed a better home
> >than I was giving them anyway. I'll definitely keep you posted.
> >
> >Take it Easy,
> >
> > George
> >
>
> George,
>
> Were they cool with you going there??? Or do you have to know the Pope
> or something... I mean could someone like me go there??? I've never
> found a really good store around my area that carries alot of
> anything. So you don't get to really try stuff. Then when you do find
> a store with a larger inventory, they won't let you try stuff.
>
> I end up buying stuff mail order on the recommendation of
> others--especially you guys on RMMP. But there's always the risk of me
> not liking it, then trying to resell it "used, but like new", then
> having Schuh call me a "cum-suckin, scrotum licking choad" or
> something like that.... Hell I don't even know what a choad is!!!!!
>
> Tom
Tom,
I originally heard that word on Beevis and Butthead, but it is a VERY old term. I
have heard two definitions for it. One is penis and the other is the word for the
area of skin between the anus and the scrotum. Someone over in the bodybuilding
newsgroup looked it up in an Old English dictionary. See what wonderful things
you can learn in RMMP!!! :-)
drumguru
Tom Betka wrote:
>
> On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:59:31 -0400, "George Larson"
> <panja...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> >Rob,
> >
> > Actually, I've been cleaning out a whole bunch of cymbals that I've
> >acquired over the years and just never developed the long term affection for
> >that I thought I would (ironically enough, they've mostly been Sabians, I've
> >only sold one Zildjian, my 22" Ping Ride). So, from the bread I got for the
> >stuff I got rid of, I'm actually a little richer now, which I think is even
> >the best part. I got a treasure trove of goodies and it didn't cost me
> >anything apart from saying goodbye to some cymbals that needed a better home
> >than I was giving them anyway. I'll definitely keep you posted.
> >
> >Take it Easy,
> >
> > George
> >
>
> George,
>
> Were they cool with you going there??? Or do you have to know the Pope
> or something... I mean could someone like me go there??? I've never
> found a really good store around my area that carries alot of
> anything. So you don't get to really try stuff. Then when you do find
> a store with a larger inventory, they won't let you try stuff.
>
> I end up buying stuff mail order on the recommendation of
> others--especially you guys on RMMP. But there's always the risk of me
> not liking it, then trying to resell it "used, but like new", then
> having Schuh call me a "cum-suckin, scrotum licking choad" or
> something like that.... Hell I don't even know what a choad is!!!!!
>
> Tom
--
George Lawrence
drumset artist, teacher, author
Nashville TN
SEE ROCK CITY
(or my business website constantly under
construction at http://www.drumguru.com)
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George Larson
From what I understand, an exception was made for me (I don't think I
know the pope, maybe an archbishop - or at least a saint!). That's the cause
for my reference to "super powers" in my first post. I suppose it can't hurt
to ask either your local store or call Zildjian directly. Sabian, on the
other hand, is much more accommodating about bringing in 'nobodies' like me
(there was much less involved with previous trips to the Sabian warehouse in
Pembroke (I think it's in Pembroke now)). Unfortunately, the final judges
(my ears) just don't seem to really latch on to anything that Sabian makes
(although I do love the Flat Ride that they custom made for me in the
original DeJohnette style). So, you might have better luck arranging a trip
to a Sabian facility. I know how hard the mail order thing is, I've done
that myself. I've gotten things I love to this day (like my 13" K/Z hats)
and things I hated from the start (like my 22" AA Chinese (Brilliant)) from
mail order, it's very hit or miss. Cymbals are worth really going some
distance for, because when you find the right ones, you'll have an
instrument that will stick with you for a while. The K/Z hi-hats I mentioned
have been my workhorse hats for the last 9 years. Maybe if you have trouble
getting into one of the cymbal manufacturers a trip to New York (or your
nearest giant music city) would be a possible 'weekend vacation' spot? I
know I had considered that before my trip to Zildjian happened. It's
something to think about. Can you tell I take cymbals WAY seriously :-) .
Anyway, good luck in the hunt, sometimes that's half the fun (although
sometimes it's more frustrating than anything). Oh, and don't worry, I don't
know what a "choad" is either, although there was a discussion about its
meaning a couple months back, I just ignored it.
Take it Easy,
George
Tom Betka <tcb...@discover-net.net> wrote in message
news:37f54455....@n9.supernews.com...
> On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:59:31 -0400, "George Larson"
> <panja...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
>
> >Rob,
> >
> > Actually, I've been cleaning out a whole bunch of cymbals that I've
> >acquired over the years and just never developed the long term affection
for
> >that I thought I would (ironically enough, they've mostly been Sabians,
I've
> >only sold one Zildjian, my 22" Ping Ride). So, from the bread I got for
the
> >stuff I got rid of, I'm actually a little richer now, which I think is
even
> >the best part. I got a treasure trove of goodies and it didn't cost me
> >anything apart from saying goodbye to some cymbals that needed a better
home
> >than I was giving them anyway. I'll definitely keep you posted.
> >
> >Take it Easy,
> >
> > George
> >
>
> George,
>
George Larson
WON'T LET YOU TRY A CYMBAL? That's like buying a car without driving it.
What the hell is the point of having a large selection if you can't try any?
Where is this place Tom, maybe Schuh can stop in and have a 'talk' with the
owner. BTW, what is your closest big city? Maybe someone hear has some idea
on a place with a good stock nearby with an actually useful "try-out"
policy. Not letting people try cymbals should be illegal ( not really, but
you get my point! ). If you're ever near Boston let me recommend Dick
DiCenso's Drum Shop in Quincy. They're in a little hole in the wall, but
they have the best selection of cymbals I've found in the Boston area, and
they let you try them out in the teaching studios, so you can REALLY try it
out! Good luck again.
George
Tom Betka <tcb...@discover-net.net> wrote in message
news:37f54455....@n9.supernews.com...
> On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:59:31 -0400, "George Larson"
> <panja...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
>
> >Rob,
> >
> > Actually, I've been cleaning out a whole bunch of cymbals that I've
> >acquired over the years and just never developed the long term affection
for
> >that I thought I would (ironically enough, they've mostly been Sabians,
I've
> >only sold one Zildjian, my 22" Ping Ride). So, from the bread I got for
the
> >stuff I got rid of, I'm actually a little richer now, which I think is
even
> >the best part. I got a treasure trove of goodies and it didn't cost me
> >anything apart from saying goodbye to some cymbals that needed a better
home
> >than I was giving them anyway. I'll definitely keep you posted.
> >
> >Take it Easy,
> >
> > George
> >
>
> George,
>
Chris Milillo
> Tom,
> I originally heard that word on Beevis and Butthead, but it is a VERY old term. I
> have heard two definitions for it. One is penis and the other is the word for the
> area of skin between the anus and the scrotum.
I've heard that referred to as the "taint"... Taint quite your scrot, taint quite
Uranus!
Look what you're doing to me Rob, a year ago I'd have never replied to this!
--
Chris
Time for a new sig, but no time to think of one...
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http://www.bestweb.net/~cmilillo
Delete "SPAMOFF" from my return address to reply.
Mark Polis
PERINEUM. That'll be $125, please.
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Robert Schuh wrote in message <37F587A7...@intsvc.com>...
>Tom Betka wrote:
~~~~SNIP~~~~
>>then
>> having Schuh call me a "cum-suckin, scrotum licking choad" or
>> something like that.... Hell I don't even know what a choad is!!!!!
>>
>> Tom
>
>Tom,
>I originally heard that word on Beevis and Butthead, but it is a VERY old
term. I
>have heard two definitions for it. One is penis and the other is the word
for the
>area of skin between the anus and the scrotum. Someone over in the
bodybuilding
>newsgroup looked it up in an Old English dictionary. See what wonderful
things
>you can learn in RMMP!!! :-)
>
>
Tom Betka
>
>Tom,
>I originally heard that word on Beevis and Butthead, but it is a VERY old term. I
>have heard two definitions for it. One is penis and the other is the word for the
>area of skin between the anus and the scrotum. Someone over in the bodybuilding
>newsgroup looked it up in an Old English dictionary. See what wonderful things
>you can learn in RMMP!!! :-)
>
>
Rob,
I don't know about it meaning penis or not, but the area between the
scrotum and anus is referred to as the perineum. According to
Dorland's medical dictionary, there is no such word as "choad" listed.
It's not listed as a separate entity, or as a 'variation' to the words
"penis" or "perineum." I don't think it's medical...
It sounds like a pretty neat thing to call some idiot though.... I
mean, what sounds better??? "You're a scrotum-lickin'.....guy" or
"You're a scrotum-lickin' choad!!!"
I guess this MD thing comes in handy every once in awhile.
Tom
Tom Betka
>Wait a minute, I just re-read your post. WHAT STORE ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH
>WON'T LET YOU TRY A CYMBAL? That's like buying a car without driving it.
>What the hell is the point of having a large selection if you can't try any?
>Where is this place Tom, maybe Schuh can stop in and have a 'talk' with the
>owner. BTW, what is your closest big city? Maybe someone hear has some idea
>on a place with a good stock nearby with an actually useful "try-out"
>policy. Not letting people try cymbals should be illegal ( not really, but
>you get my point! ). If you're ever near Boston let me recommend Dick
>DiCenso's Drum Shop in Quincy. They're in a little hole in the wall, but
>they have the best selection of cymbals I've found in the Boston area, and
>they let you try them out in the teaching studios, so you can REALLY try it
>out! Good luck again.
>
>George
>
I didn't mean they would let you 'try' them... I meant they wouldn't
let you 'play' them. There's a difference...
Most stores let you take a wimpy 7A stick (sorry...no offense to 7A
stick players, but I play SD1's--hands are too big), and go like...
chang chang a lang, chang a lang, chang a lang on a ride or a large
crash. However, it's very rare (around here) that a store has the
facility to hae you go into a room and 'play' the damn things. I guess
there are alot of thrashers and whackers that they don't want to play
their cymbals, being new & all...
I do live about three hours from the Twin Cities. I've called around
once when I was there--to inquire what drum shops/music stores were
around & had any kind if an inventory. It sounded like a few had a
so-so inventory, but I either talked to some yutz who didn't know the
difference between an A Zildjian and an A Custom, or someone who
didn't have time to tell me about their inventory. Unfortunately I
didn't have time to explore all the shops around the Citries. I did
find one Gretsch dealer by calling. They told me the only inventory
they had was a Vinnie model kit that he had used personally on a
studio gig he had played in a local studio a month or so before that.
But for what they were asking for the kit Vinnie should be bringing to
my house personally...
Anyone out there who lives in the Cities, knows a good drum shop, and
wants to spend a few hours listening to & buying cymbals with a fellow
RMMPer???
Tom
Mark Polis
If worse comes to worst, try Drums in the Wind's Zildjian deal - you select
the cymbal you think you're interested in, call 'em up, they send you THREE,
you can buy one and return the other two (only charges are those of shipping
return and the cymbal), or return all three and just pay a restocking fee (+
shipping).
I have, on occasion, used this service, found some real winners, and overall
I think it's a good deal if you just don't have access (or time) to get to a
large cymbal selection - and you get their usual mail order 40% discount off
list, of course.
And you get to try them out with those silly SD1's you're using.
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Tom Betka wrote in message <37f5f839...@n9.supernews.com>...
Jay Epstein
>Most stores let you take a wimpy 7A stick (sorry...no offense to 7A
>stick players, but I play SD1's--hands are too big), and go like...
>chang chang a lang, chang a lang, chang a lang on a ride or a large
>crash. However, it's very rare (around here) that a store has the
>facility to hae you go into a room and 'play' the damn things. I guess
>there are alot of thrashers and whackers that they don't want to play
>their cymbals, being new & all...
>
>I do live about three hours from the Twin Cities. I've called around
>once when I was there--to inquire what drum shops/music stores were
>around & had any kind if an inventory. It sounded like a few had a
>so-so inventory, but I either talked to some yutz who didn't know the
>difference between an A Zildjian and an A Custom, or someone who
>didn't have time to tell me about their inventory. Unfortunately I
>didn't have time to explore all the shops around the Citries. I did
>find one Gretsch dealer by calling. They told me the only inventory
>they had was a Vinnie model kit that he had used personally on a
>studio gig he had played in a local studio a month or so before that.
>But for what they were asking for the kit Vinnie should be bringing to
>my house personally...
>Anyone out there who lives in the Cities, knows a good drum shop, and
>wants to spend a few hours listening to & buying cymbals with a fellow
>RMMPer???
Tom,
That's me. I live in surburban Minneapolis & spend every dime at the drum
shops. The only decent one is the one you talked with about the Vinnie set,
Ellis Drum Shop 651-603-0848 M-F: 10-8, Sa: 10-6, Su: Noon-5. My schedule
is absurdly busy in October, but can you make it on a weekday sometime? I'm
ALWAYS up for a bronze taste test. Ellis has one of the largest selection
of Bosphorus, & Istanbuls & a few K. Cons, Sabian HHs, so we're talking
Hand/Hammered/Heaven here! Tim Ellis just got back from a trip to the
Sabian factory where they let him dictate personal parameters for a set of
prototypes especially for him. Also, we could hit Mars, a couple of GCs, &
other obscure ones that I'm hip to.
By the way, I play 7As, & the cretins behind the counter always hand me a
Lars Ulrich Louisville Slugger!
I'll email you.
Jay
Bosphorus endorser.
http://www.indisonic.com/Bands/band_label2.cfm/57/Jay%20Epstein/14
"It's always night, that's why there is light." - Thelonious Monk
Tom Betka
>Tom,
>That's me. I live in surburban Minneapolis & spend every dime at the drum
>shops. The only decent one is the one you talked with about the Vinnie set,
>Ellis Drum Shop 651-603-0848 M-F: 10-8, Sa: 10-6, Su: Noon-5. My schedule
>is absurdly busy in October, but can you make it on a weekday sometime? I'm
>ALWAYS up for a bronze taste test. Ellis has one of the largest selection
>of Bosphorus, & Istanbuls & a few K. Cons, Sabian HHs, so we're talking
>Hand/Hammered/Heaven here! Tim Ellis just got back from a trip to the
>Sabian factory where they let him dictate personal parameters for a set of
>prototypes especially for him. Also, we could hit Mars, a couple of GCs, &
>other obscure ones that I'm hip to.
>By the way, I play 7As, & the cretins behind the counter always hand me a
>Lars Ulrich Louisville Slugger!
>I'll email you.
>
>Jay
Thanks Jay--I will take you up on that. October is bad for me too,
construction around the house & such. Early to mid November looks
better...
I'll stay in touch.
Tom
Tom Betka
wrote:
>Tom,
>If worse comes to worst, try Drums in the Wind's Zildjian deal - you select
>the cymbal you think you're interested in, call 'em up, they send you THREE,
>you can buy one and return the other two (only charges are those of shipping
>return and the cymbal), or return all three and just pay a restocking fee (+
>shipping).
>I have, on occasion, used this service, found some real winners, and overall
>I think it's a good deal if you just don't have access (or time) to get to a
>large cymbal selection - and you get their usual mail order 40% discount off
>list, of course.
>And you get to try them out with those silly SD1's you're using.
>--
Mark,
Thanks...sounds like a good deal. I'll have to look them up. I'm
trying to decide on some A Customs, vs. some new Sabians. I have a few
A Customs--fantastic cymbals. They always seem to sound good, no
matter how hard they are played...
As for the SD1's....... I just got a new box, and they're made much
lighter than the 'old ones.' I've actually broken three already--at
the shoulder/neck junction, playing the ride cymbal. that's NEVER
happened before, and I've played them for 6 years. Been through about
10-12 boxes of them. They're great--you don't have to hit as hard in
louder volume (ie; non-jazz) situations. I contacted Vic Firth--they
were real nice, offered to replace the broken ones and all. I'm going
to send them one of them and any more that break tonight on my Rock &
Roll gig...
Normally the Vic Firth sticks last a long time--the heads chip, the
shanks splinter, etc... I usually throw the sticks away before they
actually become unplayable. That's why it was such a shock that these
three broke--I've never broken a VF stick at the shoulder before. I've
always found Vic Firth to be a great company to deal with. Once they
sent me almost an enitre box of Dave Weckl sticks, as several of the
ones I bought were warped. I didn't even send them back any
sticks--just E-mailed Kelly Firth, and she replaced them.
I bet you they probably even make some nice 7A's too--although I bet
the don't sell too many, except to like, little kids and girly
drummers...!!!!!!!
BTW, you owe me a phone call.....
Tom
Mark Polis
like toothpicks than drumsticks), or else Zildjian *John Riley* sticks when
I'm feeling particularly macho. These are a few of my favorite things.
And you're right - I DO owe you a call.--
Tom Betka wrote in message <37f6459d...@n9.supernews.com>...
>Mark,
~~~SNIP~~~
Scarab Mike
dealers think about this? Are you a endorsee George?
Sounds like you had a blast though and did you get to tour the manufacturing
site? Take care, Mike C.
George Larson
Let me clarify; I set up a visit to pick out some cymbals that are now
enroute to my retailer, where I will "purchase" them (I believe I was
somewhat of an exception). Sorry for any confusion. And no, I'm nowhere near
endorsement stage just yet, still a nobody playing in the basement :-) . I
had a TOTAL blast. I didn't tour the place because I was much too busy
looking at cymbals. Besides, I toured the last time I finagled my way in
there, about 5 years ago.
Take it Easy,
George
Scarab Mike <mdr...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:7t60t9$2ufq$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com...
BOVANO
Since the RMMP group seems to growing in numbers and therefore consumer $$$$,
maybe we could pull together and get some clout to arrange tours/sales for the
group that would otherwise be impossible individually. We would probably have
to create a user list and guarantee minimal attendee numbers but it might be
worth thinking about. Any ideas???
John Mooradian
act as spokesperson for the RMMP shriners organization....
Bondo36980
lazer beams, and land mines to tour the Gretsch factory!
>I'm beginning to wonder ????
>
>Since the RMMP group seems to growing in numbers and therefore consumer $$$$,
>maybe we could pull together and get some clout to arrange tours/sales for
>the
>group that would otherwise be impossible individually. We would probably
>have
>to create a user list and guarantee minimal attendee numbers but it might be
>worth thinking about. Any ideas???
>
>>Hi Mike,
>>
>> Let me clarify; I set up a visit to pick out some cymbals that are now
>>enroute to my retailer, where I will "purchase" them (I believe I was
>>somewhat of an exception). Sorry for any confusion. And no, I'm nowhere near
>>endorsement stage just yet, still a nobody playing in the basement :-) . I
>>had a TOTAL blast. I didn't tour the place because I was much too busy
>>looking at cymbals. Besides, I toured the last time I finagled my way in
>>there, about 5 years ago.
>>
>>Take it Easy,
>>
>> George
>>
>
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>
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>
Allen
"Elvin played Gretsch and K's and so do I"
John Mooradian
Bondo36980 wrote:
Tom Betka
wrote:
>Ooooohh... I like that idea.
>
>Bondo36980 wrote:
>
>> Lets see if we can convince that old nut Fred to let us through the razor wire,
>> lazer beams, and land mines to tour the Gretsch factory!
>>
I'm there.... I'll bring the pickup truck. There should still be room
in the back after I throw some drums in...anyone else???
Tom
Scarab Mike
Paiste for you!
--
Mike Carter
Represneting Paiste, Aquarian & Ayotte
BOVANO wrote in message >Since the RMMP group seems to growing in numbers
fan_de_ranger
Sounds like a good reason to go to Switzerland! The wife wouldn't be hard
to convince either.
Rob
Scarab Mike wrote in message
<7t8rfb$1rkk$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...
John Mooradian
Tom Betka wrote:
John Mooradian
Paiste far and away is my choice of cymbals, but the Zildjian plant is
half an hour from my house. Paiste... isn't. If, on the other hand, you could
provide plane fare, I'm there in a heartbeat.
P.S. any job openings yet?
Scarab Mike wrote:
> If any of you are every in Switzerland........ I could arange a vist at
> Paiste for you!
>
> --
> Mike Carter
> Represneting Paiste, Aquarian & Ayotte
>
> BOVANO wrote in message >Since the RMMP group seems to growing in numbers
> and therefore consumer $$$$,
> >maybe we could pull together and get some clout to arrange tours/sales for
> the
> >group
Scarab Mike
Europe take a trip to the Paiste factory.
--
Mike Carter
Represneting Paiste, Aquarian & Ayotte
John Mooradian wrote in message you could
>provide plane fare,
Brandon E Paluzzi
was subject to much ridicule:
"A choad is a penis that is wider than it is long"
I dunno, sounds fishy to me, but that's what he says
Brandon
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