Best/Worst Drum Sounds?
Jim Benner
Favorite:
New Bohemians-Ghost of a Dog: Matt Chamberlin had a wonderful drum sound on the cd
and live (it literally brought tears to my eyes), but it was a DW set.
Vital Information-Easier Done then Said: Steve Smith's drums sound wonderful....
very warm.
Rush-Counterparts: Neil's sound is very full.
Peter Gabriel-Secret World Live: Manu Katche's drums always sound great. Very warm.
Andy Narrell-Little Secrets: Paul van Wageningen played on this one. I esp. love
that snare drum.
Police-all: I love Stew's snare sound. I'm not really excited about the rest of the
kit.
Worst:
Dang it, I can't think of any right now. Oh...
Tower of Power-Monster on a Leash: Russ McKinnon's set sounded kinda dead to me.
As you can tell I like a warm sounding drumset.
Well, that's it for me. Later!
Jim
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David Todd
King Crimson-Red: Nicely miked cymbals/weird tom tunings & good pickup makes this good...
Have to agree there. I like the stuff on the Discipline era stuff and
VROOOM/Thrak as well. Good production in general.
Metallica- ...And Justice For All: Bad toms, snare is *dead* and thin.. Kicks are nice.
Have to disagree here. The kicks are way too low, almost non-existant
on systems without bass-boost on. All you get is that click. Otherwise
it is fairly non-intrusive, which is good in my book.
One I like is Voivod/Nothingface. Fits well, and the drums have
character despite being muffled.
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>Have to disagree here. The kicks are way too low, almost non-existant
>on systems without bass-boost on. All you get is that click. Otherwise
>it is fairly non-intrusive, which is good in my book.
All the drums on Metallica's AJFA are triggered, that's why
you get the weird bass drum sound.
Personally the drummer I feel gets the best sound is Vinnie
Paul from Pantera.
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another cool thread:
>Favorite:
>Polytown-Polytown: Very dry, very natural, well miked.
>Rush-2112: Who wouldn't love this sound? Nice all around...
>Terry Bozzio-Solo Drum Music vols. I, II, & III: See Polytown.
>The Police-Regatta De Blanc: This is *SPECTACULAR*.. Clear sounds on
everything...
>Primus-Tales From The Punch Bowl: Very clear, fairly clean cut..
Ditto, along with:
-Rush - ASoH. This is the best live drum sound I've ever heard on an
album. The toms just jump out and *sing*.
-Rush - FBN. Although I don't like that '70s dead drum sound, this
was about the best it was ever done. Every stroke of the stick is
captured very well. Nice sound on the hi-hats too.
-Me, on a tape I made in high school in my first attempt at using
multiple mics to record. For some weird reason, the sound is just so
damned natural and smooth. I've never been able to do that since.
-I'd also comment on the Punch Bowl album sound that you can almost
see the heads vibrating, the sound is so real. Especially the bass
drums and gong bass. Also, I don't know where it is exactly because
I've only heard the album once so far, but one of Herb's splashes
sounds like the damned 8" kang cymbals I've been sending back to
Zildjian. It sounds good in Herb's set, but I want a *splash* cymbal
damnit! :)
>WORST:
What? You didn't include DeVito and Henly? :)
-Liberty DeVito - any Billy Joel album
-Don Henly - any Eagles album (although his timbales sound like timbales
on Hotel California at least). But some of the sampled drums on his
solo albums are okay.
-Steve Gadd - any album. They all sound like cardboard boxes. The only
good sound I've ever heard from Gadd was when he actually played
cardboard boxes and his knees on Rikki Lee Jones' _Danny's Allstar
Joint_.
-Bob Newhart theme song. AAAUUGH! Tune the farging heads! Take the tape
off!! AAAUGHH!
-Three's Company theme song. Ditto.
Muff
Drummer, Mac geek Armpit Studios VII
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Tim Read
What are your favorite recorded drum sounds? What ones make you say "God... I'm glad
my drums don't sound that horrid"?
I found it difficult imposing numerical limits, so here are mine...
Favorite:
Weezer-Weezer: I *love* this sound.. Very natural, great sounding Ludwig kit, perfect organic sound.
King Crimson-Red: Nicely miked cymbals/weird tom tunings & good pickup makes this good...
Emerson, Lake & Palmer-Tarkus: Very dry, very up front drum sound...
Emerson, Lake & Palmer-Trilogy: *VERY* prominent in the mix, very little effects...
Polytown-Polytown: Very dry, very natural, well miked.
Rush-2112: Who wouldn't love this sound? Nice all around...
Terry Bozzio-Solo Drum Music vols. I, II, & III: See Polytown.
The Police-Regatta De Blanc: This is *SPECTACULAR*.. Clear sounds on everything...
Primus-Tales From The Punch Bowl: Very clear, fairly clean cut..
WORST:
Emerson, Lake & Palmer-Black Moon: Repugnant toms, pathetic basses. Decent snare.
Metallica- ...And Justice For All: Bad toms, snare is *dead* and thin.. Kicks are nice.
Rush-Roll The Bones: Everything sounded way too thin on this album...
Primus-Sailing The Seas Of Cheese: I have *no* idea why, it just bothers me..
Guns N' Roses-all: Neither Steve Adler nor Matt Sorum have had a decent sound yet...
Obviously, I like under-produced sounds.. I'm in love with Patrick Wilson's (Weezer) sound..
Ringy Ludwig snare with quite a bit of punch, open bass drum that still has some amount
of *thud* to it, clear toms, good hi-hats, and nice cymbals... But the snare and bass are to
die for...
-Tim Read
-St. Louis
-NP:Weezer/Say It Ain't So/Weezer
Lithium: Drums, Percussion, Keys, Vocals, Weirdness
Eric Altman
more drummers than just about anything since Tony's ride cymbal and
tiny bass drum with Miles in the 60's(and the 1st Lifetime). Listen to
Vinnie or Weckl today for instance. They are still using a variation
of that sound because it fits with their tight, syncopated styles
(which they also copped from him to some degree). I'm sure quite a few
players still marvel at his work (and sound) on AJA and those Chick
Corea albums.
Somewhat related thought: Although I go more for the wide open
sound (ala Bozzio and others), Trilok Gurtu gets a tremendous cutting
sound from his tiny drums without shells. These sounds also blend in
nicely with his tabla playing.
More randomness: I saw Jeff Watts with Kenny Garrett last week and
he played a wide open bass drum that was just killin'. It was a trio
so I guess he wanted to fill up space a piano might otherwise require.
With all the recent trends towards wide open, natural sounds, hopefully
we will hear more of this.
Non Sequitor #2: If anyone has thoughts on Bruford/Mastelloto
(sound or otherwise)in KC, I'd like to read them. I caught the Sat
Crimson show in SF, and they were fantastic. Bruford always sounds
good with another player, so no surprise there. Also nice to hear the
BOOOIIINNK from his snare again loud and clear.
G Laker
"Rockland Wonderland". (Have you guys in the States even HEARD of Kim
Mitchell?) Drum sound on this record is INCREDIBLE; live, resonant, round, and
full. Chances are it was recorded in the same studio by the same folks who
put together the Rush record already mentioned in this thread. (Both artists
are based in Toronto. Anyways, if y'all can find it, check it out.
g.l...@digital.magicnet.com
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MuffinHead
(Eric Altman) wrote:
>RE: the Steve Gadd slam. I think Gadd's 70's drum sound influenced
>more drummers than just about anything since Tony's ride cymbal and
But does that make it a good drum sound? IMO, no. The ability to
influence does not automatically make it worthwhile. Look at rap.
>tiny bass drum with Miles in the 60's(and the 1st Lifetime). Listen to
>Vinnie or Weckl today for instance. They are still using a variation
>of that sound because it fits with their tight, syncopated styles
I just can't hear a Gadd sound in Vinnie's or Weckl's drums. Gadd's
toms go *dp*. The other guys' at least go *toooom* - they have some
sustain. What's worse, I'm not sure that Gadd even used different
tuning/muffling for live work, which you *should*. The only Gadd live
recording I know is Chuck Mangione's _Tarantella_. Find it if you can, and
you'll hear the worst recorded drums in history (aside from the Bob
Newhart intro;).
Muff
Drummer, Mac geek Armpit Studios VII
http://www.netins.net/showcase/muff/ Iowa City, IA
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Tim Read
> -I'd also comment on the Punch Bowl album sound that you can almost
> see the heads vibrating, the sound is so real. Especially the bass
> drums and gong bass. Also, I don't know where it is exactly because
Yes, that is so true... I think this was a spectacular drum album-- esp. on
Southbound Pachyderm and Over The Electric Grapevine-- truly, these
two are some of the best recorded drums sounds in quite a while...
Wonder what he used in the way of mics...
Although, he's always had a good drum sound...
> What? You didn't include DeVito and Henly? :)
I thought that was a given.
> -Liberty DeVito - any Billy Joel album
> -Don Henly - any Eagles album (although his timbales sound like timbales
> on Hotel California at least). But some of the sampled drums on his
> solo albums are okay.
> -Steve Gadd - any album. They all sound like cardboard boxes. The only
> good sound I've ever heard from Gadd was when he actually played
> cardboard boxes and his knees on Rikki Lee Jones' _Danny's Allstar
> Joint_.
> -Bob Newhart theme song. AAAUUGH! Tune the farging heads! Take the tape
> off!! AAAUGHH!
> -Three's Company theme song. Ditto.
Tim Read ------ St. Louis, Missouri -------
"Anything you do will have reference to
where you are, when you are, and with
whomsoever you are." -Robert Fripp
NP:Primus/Over The Electric Grapevine/Tales From The Punch Bowl
Patdrums
one snare sound that I ALWAYS go nuts for and have for years....
The opening flam on Kansas' " Carry On Wayward Son" ( Leftoverture-Phil
Ehart) is, IMHO, THE PERFECT snare sound. Just enough meat, just enough
crack, just enough everything!! The sound on the rest of the tune is good,
but that one totally exposed flam just has all the stuff that makes me go
"YEAAHHHH!!!!!" The version on their Greatest Hits album has been
re-mixed with reverb and I think that detracts from it, but the original
version has that classic metal snare sound. Check it out.
Tim Read
> Non Sequitor #2: If anyone has thoughts on Bruford/Mastelloto
> (sound or otherwise)in KC, I'd like to read them. I caught the Sat
> Crimson show in SF, and they were fantastic. Bruford always sounds
> good with another player, so no surprise there. Also nice to hear the
> BOOOIIINNK from his snare again loud and clear.
Jerk.( =) ).. they didn't come to St. Louis, so I didn't get to see them.. =(
Yes, I think they're great together, although as of late, I've been more
into Mastelotto's work.. The guy has nice, (relatively) high pitch drums,
and just sounds great when doing anything.. Although I *love* Bruford's
Starclassics.. =) But B'Boom is one of the coolest pieces in a while.. =)
Here's the big question: Do you think this group could do a good 21st
Century Schizoid Man? With the Sticks, I think it could be *really* good...
Tim Read ------ St. Louis, Missouri -------
"Anything you do will have reference to
where you are, when you are, and with
whomsoever you are." -Robert Fripp
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fiddlepoke
good:
The snare drum sound in Therapy's song, screamajor (screamager?). it's
so high pitchthe that it's almost un-snare drum sounding, but I love it.
Fugazi: real open snare drum sound
Shellac, any: Room sound at it's best. Steve Albini is a drum
productio genious. Listen to the kick drum on the At Action Park vinyl.
All vinyl pressings for at action park were done to audiophile
specification. It the thickest slab of vinyl that I've ever seen.
Helmet, Betty: THe kick has some real umph, and the snare will take yer
head off.
Bad:
Quicksand. Manic sompression. The snare is too low, and the kick drum
is a click that sometimes sounds higher than the snare.
see ya
ben fiddlepoke
indy
Chris Cawthray
MUWORKS label (I think).
You haven't a drum sound this (dare I say) sensual in a long time.
Other good bets:
any recent Tony Williams (Blue Note Cd's)
"Friday Afternoon in the Universe" Medeski, Martin and Wood (Gramavision)
--these drums sound like our drums! meaning, the sound like drums,
not a $1000 compressor plugged into $40K of recording gear
later
chris
dr...@io.org
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RHCP, 'Blood Sugar Sex Magik'; The general production values on this
album are excellent, Chad's drums sound ace. It sounds DEFINED on any
stereo, from the crappy old RC in my decrepit car to my most excellent
Technics system in the house.
Senser, 'Stacked Up'; great kick, really bassy but with plenty of attack
Fishbone, 'Give A Monkey...'; see above.
Among the worst;
Judas Priest, 'British Steel'; recorded during National Cardboard Box Week?
Motorhead, '1916'; never been the same since Philthy left.
probably.
Robert Hart
Tight and crisp, yet deep and just enough snare.
The cymbals on Drive by The Cars - love 'em!
The big, fat, hit-you-over-the-head-with-a-breeze-block-with-reverb-on-it back
beat on the whole of Graceland anoys me snseless! And the whole of Phill
Collins' drumkit. Turn the volume down and turn the reverb down!
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"Never argue with a stubborn Woman, especially when she's right." J. Buckingham
Thipdrum
Some of my favorite drum sounds (notice the jazz emphasis!):
-Bill Stewart's sound on Scofield's "Meant To Be," and also Tim Hagans'
"No Words" is extremely warm, alive, natural. Love it.
-Peter Erskine on John Abercrombie's "November" and his own "Sweet Soul,"
ditto.
-Tony on Miles' "Nefertiti." Got that dark '60s vibe.
-Someone else also mentioned Tony's recent Blue Note drum sounds. Those
are great!
-DeJohnette on any recent Keith Jarrett trio recordings. In fact, any
drum sound on any ECM recording is pretty much amazing!
-How about Vinnie's sound on "Summoner's Tales!" Fantastic.
-My Rush entry: ESL. IMO, a better live sound than ASoH. Must be just
the vibe.
-Did anyone understand those abbreviations? I didn't.
Ones I don't care for (Have to think about it some, but these few come to
mind.)
-The most recent Simple Minds recording, "Good News from the Next World."
Mushy, overprocessed, no definition. Three different drummers play
(including Vinnie) and I cannot tell them apart! A total contrast from
"Summoner's Tales."
-I have to agree somewhat about the Gadd sound. I never thought his drums
had to always sound quite that dead. But..... it was his thing, so
whatever. Anyone interested should check out the most recent Bob Berg
recording, "Riddles." Gadd's on the whole thing, and he's playing on
Maple Customs.... For once, he has a warm, relatively live sound with
lots of presence! His snare also has lots of crack.
-My drum sound on Brian Culbertson's "Modern Life." (Sorry, have to put
this in here!) Like the Simple Minds recording, little definition, very
processed. No depth from my cymbals. They're K's, damn it!!!!
-Roy Haynes's sound on MANY recordings, including Metheny's "Question &
Answer." For some reason, Roy must be hard to record. He doesn't help
matters much with the way he tunes, either. Sometimes uses single-headed
toms (AAAuuuuugh!!!). One of my all-time favorite players, though.
That's all for now, over & out.
Tom Hipskind
Thipdrum&aol.com
MuffinHead
about any album. Gee Mick, that bass snare is really cool.
Chris 'Coz' Costello
Eric Altman <ejal...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> Non Sequitor #2: If anyone has thoughts on Bruford/Mastelloto
>(sound or otherwise)in KC, I'd like to read them. I caught the Sat
>Crimson show in SF, and they were fantastic. Bruford always sounds
>good with another player, so no surprise there. Also nice to hear the
>BOOOIIINNK from his snare again loud and clear.
Saw KC in Milwaukee, and was pretty darn impressed. I do think
that they've only touched on the two drummers/two bass instrument
possibilities. I was hoping for more 'weird' sounds, a la
Bruford's '84 Indiscipline playing. It seemed like Bruford
wasn't going as far out on some of the new stuff (esp. "sex
sleep eat drink dream"), but I suppose you don't want to
encourage train wrecks.
As for best drum sounds, Simon Phillips on _Protocol_, Philip
"Fish" Fisher on Fishbone's _The Reality of my Surroundings_
(check out the bass drum sound on "Fight the Youth" - really
tight, solid, and punchy), and Matt Cameron on Soundgarden's
_Superunknown_ come to mind, from a rock standpoint.
I have a tangent to this, but I'll start another thread for it.
Later,
COZ
NP: John Cage, 4'33" (extended remix)
Okay, you caught me, I'm not listening to anything.
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Didn't Fripp swear he'd never play _Schizoid Man_ again?
It would be interesting, especially if Belew did the sax
stuff with his guitar synth.
Later,
COZ
THOMAS HOYT
Chris 'Coz' Costello (cl...@quads.uchicago.edu) wrote:
: In article <3skm64$2...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
: Eric Altman <ejal...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: >
: > Non Sequitor #2: If anyone has thoughts on Bruford/Mastelloto
: >(sound or otherwise)in KC, I'd like to read them. I caught the Sat
: >Crimson show in SF, and they were fantastic. Bruford always sounds
: >good with another player, so no surprise there. Also nice to hear the
: >BOOOIIINNK from his snare again loud and clear.
: Saw KC in Milwaukee, and was pretty darn impressed. I do think
: that they've only touched on the two drummers/two bass instrument
: possibilities. I was hoping for more 'weird' sounds, a la
: Bruford's '84 Indiscipline playing. It seemed like Bruford
: wasn't going as far out on some of the new stuff (esp. "sex
: sleep eat drink dream"), but I suppose you don't want to
: encourage train wrecks.
: As for best drum sounds, Simon Phillips on _Protocol_, Philip
: "Fish" Fisher on Fishbone's _The Reality of my Surroundings_
: (check out the bass drum sound on "Fight the Youth" - really
: tight, solid, and punchy), and Matt Cameron on Soundgarden's
: _Superunknown_ come to mind, from a rock standpoint.
: I have a tangent to this, but I'll start another thread for it.
: Later,
: COZ
: NP: John Cage, 4'33" (extended remix)
As a drummer and an experimental music enthusiast, it does my heart good
to see a John Cage reference on this newsgroup.
Tom t...@falcon.cc.ukans.edu
: Okay, you caught me, I'm not listening to anything.
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Jeff Huffman
Chris 'Coz' Costello <cl...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
[snip]
>NP: John Cage, 4'33" (extended remix)
Hehe, that's a good one. So, has anyone recorded this? If so, who sat
at the piano? :) I think someone should do a rap version of 4'33".
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"Are you going to bark all day, little doggy, or are you going to bite?"
-- Mr. Blonde in _Reservoir Dogs_
Christopher Krepich
drums on Dirty Looks "Cool from the Wire". He uses Pearls and Paistes and
the album was produced by Max Norman. (He always seems to have a killer
drum sound) Very big, fat, and distinct.
ps Gene sounded very good live also.ii ck
Neal Prakash
think bruford is one of the smoothest and techinically proficient
drummers i've seen. i loved the interplay with the other drummer (what's
his name anyway?) i'm not much a fan of their music as a whole. but maybe
a fan could answer some questions::
who was the guy playing that 10 stringed instrument? looked like a bass
but i don't think it was a stick. the bassist kept switching from bass to
stick(or was it an electric cello?) what were those freddy krugger finger
things he was wearing??
and finally, what's up with fripp? he had no spotlight on him whatsoever
for the whole show--is he a vampire or something?
sorry for the tangent from percussion, but i don't know the location for
a kc newsgroup.
-neal prakash
aka shrapnel
On Sun, 2 Jul 1995, Chris 'Coz' Costello wrote:
> Tim,
>
> Didn't Fripp swear he'd never play _Schizoid Man_ again?
> It would be interesting, especially if Belew did the sax
> stuff with his guitar synth.
>
> Later,
> COZ
>
Marc Zoutendijk
Neal Prakash <npra...@meded.com.uci.edu> wrote:
>i just saw the show on saturday in la. the drumming was excellent. i
>think bruford is one of the smoothest and techinically proficient
>drummers i've seen. i loved the interplay with the other drummer (what's
>his name anyway?)
Pat Mastelotto, see the interview about KC and Bruford/Mastelotto on this
double drumming style on the Drummers Web page (you can get there via my
home page, see sig below).
Marc.
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Kevin Delgadillo
Prakash <npra...@meded.com.uci.edu> wrote:
> i just saw the show on saturday in la. the drumming was excellent. i
> think bruford is one of the smoothest and techinically proficient
> drummers i've seen. i loved the interplay with the other drummer (what's
> his name anyway?) i'm not much a fan of their music as a whole. but maybe
> a fan could answer some questions::
The other drummer's name is Pat Mastelotto from Mr. Mister fame.
> who was the guy playing that 10 stringed instrument? looked like a bass
> but i don't think it was a stick. the bassist kept switching from bass to
> stick(or was it an electric cello?) what were those freddy krugger finger
> things he was wearing??
His name is Trey Gunn; the instrument he was playing is sort of
a spinoff of the Chapman Stick, called the Warr Touchstyle Guitar/
Fretboard (I believe). It can be played with strumming, finger tapping,
etc. Pretty cool instrument.
The bass player, Tony Levin (also a great Stick player), uses little
sticks on his fingers to get a certain tone on his bass. I believe
he calls them "funky fingers."
> and finally, what's up with fripp? he had no spotlight on him whatsoever
> for the whole show--is he a vampire or something?
That's just Fripp for you. He did the same thing when I saw him on
the David Sylvian tour. I guess he just doesn't like being in
the spotlight. Strange man, huh? I thought that his contribution
to the KC performance I saw in San Fran was marginal. Adrian Belew
was very impressive. Fripp just seemed to play filler/backup.
> sorry for the tangent from percussion, but i don't know the location for
> a kc newsgroup.
>
> -neal prakash
> aka shrapnel
No problem.
Kevin Delgadillo
-A levelling kiddo
Zenon M. Feszczak
1. Any recent Bryan Ferry album.
For example, Omar Hakim on the record "Boys and Girls".
2. Along those lines, Roxy Music, "Avalon". Purity.
3. Philly Joe Jones, any Miles Davis record. That ride cymbal . . .
4. Manu Katche on any Peter Gabriel record.
5. Charlie Watts on "Tattoo You", the Rolling Stones.
6. Led Zeppelin. Just about anything. But there's a
good reason that "When the Levee Breaks" is one of the most sampled
rhythms in the short history of sampling.
7. Alright, don't shoot me for listing a machine!
Enigma, "MCMXC a.d.". Absolutely perfect programming and production.
Worst Drum Sounds:
1. 80% of 80s synthpop and new wave. Glory to the Casiotone.
Sounds like a video game.
2. Borodin, String Concerto #2.
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DanCretin
The Band- Up on Cripple Creek- Levon Helm- His kick and toms sound so
solid and his snare sound is piercing
Pearl Jam- Ten- Dave Krusen- Best toms I've ever heard, not much to say
about the rest of his kit
Temple of the Dog- Hunger Strike- Matt Cameron- all-around great sounding
set
Edgar Winter Group- Frankenstein- Edgar Winter and Carmine Appice- tough
job on the dueling solos, but it worked, though Appice's toms were too low
Eric Clapton- 24 Nights- Steve Ferrone- Even though this is a live album,
Ferrone's drums sound incredible. His snare in the first few songs is the
best I've ever heard.
Worst
4 Non Blondes- What's Up?- Dawn Richardson- Whenever I hear this song, I
cringe at the annoying ringing of her mistuned budget snare
Cream- White Room- Ginger Baker- Great band, great song, great drummer,
thin, washy hihats make it hard for a drummer to bear.
BosLaw
As much as I like Herb's playing, I can't stand the bass drum sound on ANY
Primus album. Combined with Les' slappin bass guitar, the bass drums
sound like paper grocery store bags "flubbedy flubbedy flub". More
definition and punchy-ness with a slightly higher than normal bass drum
pitch would have helped distinguish the bass drum from the bass guitar and
added a few voices to the overall mix.
~Bos
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MuffinHead
>worst drum sound I ever heard:
>
>As much as I like Herb's playing, I can't stand the bass drum sound on ANY
>Primus album. Combined with Les' slappin bass guitar, the bass drums
>sound like paper grocery store bags "flubbedy flubbedy flub". More
Really? Weird. His is about the best bass sound I've heard. I mean, it
actually has some character and doesn't just sound like a bass drum. That
"paper grocery store bag" description is probably why I like it - it's
almost as if you can hear the head vibrating back and forth instead of
just your average low thump with some attack. I'd *love* to get a good
sample of his bass or one like it.
Muff
Drummer, Mac geek Armpit Studios VII
http://www.netins.net/showcase/muff/ Iowa City, IA
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Nice Mopar!
--Some chubby girl to me
Jeff Huffman
MuffinHead <Muffi...@netins.net> wrote:
>In article <3skm64$2...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, ejal...@ix.netcom.com
>(Eric Altman) wrote:
>
>>RE: the Steve Gadd slam. I think Gadd's 70's drum sound influenced
>>more drummers than just about anything since Tony's ride cymbal and
>
> But does that make it a good drum sound? IMO, no. The ability to
>influence does not automatically make it worthwhile. Look at rap.
>
>>tiny bass drum with Miles in the 60's(and the 1st Lifetime). Listen to
>>Vinnie or Weckl today for instance. They are still using a variation
>>of that sound because it fits with their tight, syncopated styles
>
> I just can't hear a Gadd sound in Vinnie's or Weckl's drums. Gadd's
>toms go *dp*. The other guys' at least go *toooom* - they have some
I don't know about Vinnie, but Weckl's drums sound fairly similar to
Gadd's, at least when Gadd is playing with Chick Corea (on the albums
_Friends_ and _Four Quartets_). I also think that Weckl's style when
he's playing jazz is heavily influenced by Gadd. But I don't really
care for either of them when it comes to jazz, personally.
The only time I saw Vinnie playing jazz was on Jazz Central on BET.
It was mainly a fusion concert (with Lee Ritenour or Dave Grusin or
someone like that), but then Diane Schurr (sp?) came out to sing a
more standard jazz type of tune. Vinnie's drums sounded kind of
crazy in this setting (totally dead bass drum, etc.). Actually, part
of that could have to do with the overall bad sound that BET seems
to broadcast. But then he screwed up royally near the beginning of
the tune, just when the camera was on him. I felt kind of sorry for
him. Sounded like he had never really played much jazz before.
Anyway, I would tend to back up Eric on his point.
--
Jeff Huffman | They are ingenious, witty, cunning, and deceitful; very
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| honest, and mischievous to the Europeans and Christians.
| -- James Adair, _History of the American Indians_, 1776
Thipdrum
>to broadcast. But then he screwed up royally near the beginning of
>the tune, just when the camera was on him. I felt kind of sorry for
>him. Sounded like he had never really played much jazz before.
Actually, Vinnie knows jazz a lot better than you'd think. He is mainly a
fusion/rock player, but he always admits how influenced he is by Tony and
Jack. Yeah, he's not an encyclopedia of jazz drumming, but he DOES swing.
Check out Bunny Brunell's "Dedication," Buell Neidlinger's "Big Drum"
(very off the wall, but great ideas), or Jeff Beal's "Three Graces."
-Tom Hipskind
thip...@aol.com
Marc Lawson
Prakash <npra...@meded.com.uci.edu> writes:
>who was the guy playing that 10 stringed instrument? looked like a
bass
>but i don't think it was a stick. the bassist kept switching from bass
to
>stick(or was it an electric cello?) what were those freddy krugger
finger
>things he was wearing??
>
I think the guy you're talking about is Tony Levin. He's an incredible
bassist who has played alot w/ KC in the past. The instrument he was
playing was a Chapman "Stick"...
I don't know anymore details than above...
good...@umbsky.cc.umb.edu
drummers. I was just listening to a couple of Ron McClure cd's with
Adam Nussbaum, and he's got one of the most beautiful cymbal sounds
I've ever heard (ride and crashes). I don't know whether it's how
he records them, what he uses, how he plays them, or (most likely)
all three, but whatever it is, they just sound gorgeous!
Tom Goodkind
Jordan Levin
: I think the guy you're talking about is Tony Levin. He's an incredible
: bassist who has played alot w/ KC in the past. The instrument he was
: playing was a Chapman "Stick"...
He also played on Peter Gabriel's last US tour. Him and Manu
make a pretty good rhythm section.
Jordan
G Laker
Da> Edgar Winter Group- Frankenstein- Edgar Winter and Carmine Appice-
You sure that was Appice on that track? Somewhow I don't think those
two were playing together at that point yet.
... g.l...@digital.magicnet.com
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Jeff Huffman
Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that he couldn't. I just meant that based
on that one GRP thing on BET, it didn't sound like it. I do try not to
make judgements on people's abilities based on a couple of minutes of
their work (usually :) Anyway, thanks for the recommendations.
M...@mitvma.mit.edu
In <Pine.SUN.3.91.95070...@meded.com.uci.edu> Neal
Prakash <npra...@meded.com.uci.edu> writes:
>who was the guy playing that 10 stringed instrument? looked like a bass
>but i don't think it was a stick.
guitar-shaped bodies rather than the original shovel design.)
> what were those freddy krugger finger
>things he was wearing??
for maximally percussive finger popping. I first saw him use those on the
Ander/Wakeman/Bruford/Howe tour (and at the time I thought they still
sounded less impressive than what Chris Squire could do on his Rickenbacker
bass, back when he was on top of his game-- but I suppose that's a topic
better suited to rec.music.bassists.lost.it).
Sargis Atanous
writes:
> -=> Quoting Dancretin to All <=-
>
> Da> Edgar Winter Group- Frankenstein- Edgar Winter and Carmine
Appice-
>
> You sure that was Appice on that track? Somewhow I don't think
those
> two were playing together at that point yet.
Yes, they were both on that track and they trade solos on it in the
middle.
;
Jim Benner
>What about Omar Hakim's sound on the Dire Straits _Brothers In
>Arms_ album. I believe he was playing Gretch's. Some of the
>best sounding snare & toms I've heard.
That was Omar Hakim???? I always thought it was Chris Whitten. I'm not sure why
I always thought it, but I did!
Jim
<standard disclaimer stuff>
Dan
Arms_ album. I believe he was playing Gretch's. Some of the
best sounding snare & toms I've heard.
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Dan Lodes - St. Louis
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