no rack toms in front, anyone do this?
app...@tiac.net
front of him, only a floor tom, and Jason Finn of Presidents of the
United States of America did this, but does anyone here do this? I'm
thinking of it because lately I'm more concerned with setting up a
groove with bass/snare/hi-hat/cymbals and ignoring the toms pretty much.
Thanks!
Rob
Ray Elliott Crawford
: ...Brad Wilk didn't use any toms in front of him, only a floor tom, and
: Jason Finn of Presidents of the United States of America did this, but
: does anyone here do this?
I've done it a couple of times. Sometimes I just like to set up things
differently. It *does* have an effect on how you play...suddenly (out of
necessity) I approached fills differently with no "rack" toms.
EC
drumguru
my mind, let's see, it would lookok kind of like this
HMMMMMMMMMmmmmm...........................(scene fades into dream
sequence)
standard bass, snare, hihat set up, 10, 12, 14 toms to the right
starting at the usual floor tom position; two to three smaller snare
drums 13, 12 10 to the left of the hi hat; and across the front on a
rack bar of some kind, a ride, three or four closed and or partially
open x hats, cowbells tambourines, jam blocks etc., cymbals thrown in
wherever.
I've used a scaled down version of this on an unplugged gig with less
toms, snares and x hats. I called it my "rhythm" kit. I also had a conga
and a cajon (box) that I sat on and played. It worked wonderfully. I
really like having all the "ride instruments" (hats, ride cymbal,
cowbells, etc. grouped in front. Johnny Rabb has akitt that has two of
his company's snare drums (10" and 12") to the left of the hi hat and
the little 8" snare in between the regularly place snare and the floor
tom.
I've been talking to Dave Dyer who makes Ryzer Rax custom drum racks
about making a version of the old trap tables out of his rack bars with
the clamps built in to facilitate thes kind of set ups. what do y'all
think? His racks are on my website if you want to check out some cool
stuff. I'm the distributor.
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Nashville TN
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13612
smack in front (cable hat) with his high toms on the left, and his low toms
on the right. It looked really comfortable to play!!
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Best Regards,
13612
Bill Ray
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n i c k a m o r o s o
occasionally do gigs with no toms at all. acoustic ones, primarily. using no
toms makes for a very creative performance, imo.
my band plays regularly at the city walk at universal studios. one day, i
showed up & realized that i had the *wrong* tom mounts (i have a few different
kits). just a bass drum, snare & cymbals.
for 5 hours.
actually, i was amazed at how much i enjoyed myself. paying that much attention
to what was coming out of my snare caused me to find out how many different
sounds i could pull out of one drum. and i concentrated on the groove more than
i would if i had 4 other drums hovering around me. so anyway, what began as a
nightmare ended as a great experience.
as always, just my .0000000001. your mileage will vary.
peace,
nick
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n i c k a m o r o s o
>I've been threatening to put together this kit that I have pictured in
>my mind, let's see, it would lookok kind of like this
>HMMMMMMMMMmmmmm...........................(scene fades into dream
>sequence)
>standard bass, snare, hihat set up, 10, 12, 14 toms to the right
>starting at the usual floor tom position; two to three smaller snare
>drums 13, 12 10 to the left of the hi hat; and across the front on a
>rack bar of some kind, a ride, three or four closed and or partially
>open x hats, cowbells tambourines, jam blocks etc., cymbals thrown in
>wherever.
george, you totally suck! that is pretty much *exactly* the setup i've been
preparing to build. i was getting a remote hi-hat this weekend, to reside in
front of me, as my primary hi-hat. setup would have gone like this:
left - 10" and 14" toms
right - 8", 12" and 16" toms.
middle (directly in front of me) - 1 cable hi-hat, 2 x-hats in various stages
of aperture, 2 rides. crashes & splashes interspersed everywhere.
actually, it's been done before. dony wynn did it with brooks & dunn. i once
set up his kit on the tonight show set, and although it looked a bit funny, it
was the most comfortable kit i've ever played.
as you've said, george, great minds think alike... =)
Nick Marshall
> I know that for the fist Rage album, Brad Wilk didn't use any toms in
> front of him, only a floor tom, and Jason Finn of Presidents of the
> United States of America did this, but does anyone here do this? I'm
> thinking of it because lately I'm more concerned with setting up a
> groove with bass/snare/hi-hat/cymbals and ignoring the toms pretty much.
> Thanks!
I have my toms all set-up in the floor tom position. I was looking to get
better access to my chinas and bells. I saw the Bozzio pic and how his
floor toms went across to his snare and then to the 2" depth melodic toms
and went hmmm. I don't ignore the toms though. It has made an
interesting set-up. My drums are on one plane, my hats and bells above
and the chinas over that. It's like a multilayer cake, but more fun to
play. I don't have any pics yet, but I made a simple diagram. If you
look at the old pics and at the diagram it will be clear.
http://www.izap.com/~pinnacle/gear.html
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Ray Elliott Crawford
: i've done this intentionally before. in fact, after the mishap below, i would
: occasionally do gigs with no toms at all. acoustic ones, primarily. using no
: toms makes for a very creative performance, imo.
Tonight (9/10/99) a band from Mobile, AL was playing on Campus and the
drummer has a Sonor set in Scandinavian Birch with only a 18"x20", a
11"x13" suspended "floor" tom and a snare drum....the cymbals were a Ride,
a sizzle cymbal, and hats. Very basic, and they were on a
fusion/roots/rock/soul trip...
By the way...good players, but boring to tears!
And a further note...when playing an open air gig through a kickin' PA
please consider a vent hole in your bass drum...The sound company was a
good one, but this guy's KICK had no PUNCH and was TOOOO resonant for
close micing. It would have been sweet for a small room acoustic gig, but
for a large outdoor thing it was horrible.
Lot's of drummers tune the drums for themselves and do not take in to
consideration how the set sounds when miked and pumped thru a PA
system...think about it if you want your drums to sound the best they can
to the audience/venue your at.
Tom B.
first album,
instead of using smaller rack toms in front of him, he replaced them
with two cowbells, to try something new and different. Don't know of
anybody else off the top of my head.
Tom B R8T
s damron
just a ride, crash, hats, snare, bass, and floor tom, partly because I was
to lazy to set my large kit up in between gigs again. Anyway, I've really
enjoyed it. Makes you more musical, plus use the hats for some interesting
little fills.
Tom B. <mr-f...@webtv.net> wrote in article
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Tony Di Novo
> After reading this thread a few days ago I decided to practice with
>just a ride, crash, hats, snare, bass, and floor tom, partly because I was
>to lazy to set my large kit up in between gigs again. Anyway, I've really
>enjoyed it. Makes you more musical, plus use the hats for some interesting
>little fills.
when i get my set back from my friend, im just gonna have a bass, with double
pedal, snare, hats, and maybe a ride. well see how that goes.
Tony
bassists buncha club
draggin monkeys... :)
Olivier BJ Genten
> first album,
> instead of using smaller rack toms in front of him, he replaced them
> with two cowbells, to try something new and different. Don't know of
> anybody else off the top of my head.
>
> Tom B R8T
HI!
I have played a whole tour with just a snare, bassdrum, hi-hats, floortom
and a ride. It was wonderful just because everybody felt that there
suddenly was a lot of space left for music.
Look at the Hip-Hop scene. Quite a lot of them drummers play with just the
basic set. What else do you need for great beats and grooves???
BJ!
JB
matters most is how you play whatever you have set up. If
you have no rack toms but you over-play your cmymal snare
bass cowbells or whatever you have, it will still be
overplaying and possibly tasteless. Use good judgement, be
tasteful, don't over-play and always always LISTEN to
everyone and yourself in the band.
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always got at leasts a 5-peice kit. Lots of cymbals too...
Of course, any group with a female singer is considered "hip hop" it seems...
and any (no offense here, but it's what I've gathered) group that is derived of
mainly african-americans is considered "R&B" even if they play rap... is it me
or are music critics people mixing the musical genres a bit too much?
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Mark Simonetti
feels more comfortable. Also it makes playing "offbeats" with your left hand
while using both hands on the HH for 16ths or something a lot easier.. Also
theres less distance your hands have to move to get to the toms. Bit difficult
if you have 3 rack toms though, the one nearest the hats force you to move it
more to the left and towards you, unless you position it up high.
Mark.
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13612 wrote:
> Bruford is using that setup- saw him at this year's winter NAMM. HH right
> smack in front (cable hat) with his high toms on the left, and his low toms
> on the right. It looked really comfortable to play!!
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> 13612
> Bill Ray
> http://home.earthlink.net/~drum13612
> drumguru <drum...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:37D5D8FA...@home.com...
> > I've been threatening to put together this kit that I have pictured in
> > my mind, let's see, it would lookok kind of like this
> > HMMMMMMMMMmmmmm...........................(scene fades into dream
> > sequence)
> > standard bass, snare, hihat set up, 10, 12, 14 toms to the right
> > starting at the usual floor tom position; two to three smaller snare
> > drums 13, 12 10 to the left of the hi hat; and across the front on a
> > rack bar of some kind, a ride, three or four closed and or partially
> > open x hats, cowbells tambourines, jam blocks etc., cymbals thrown in
> > wherever.
> >
> > I've used a scaled down version of this on an unplugged gig with less
> > toms, snares and x hats. I called it my "rhythm" kit. I also had a conga
> > and a cajon (box) that I sat on and played. It worked wonderfully. I
> > really like having all the "ride instruments" (hats, ride cymbal,
> > cowbells, etc. grouped in front. Johnny Rabb has akitt that has two of
> > his company's snare drums (10" and 12") to the left of the hi hat and
> > the little 8" snare in between the regularly place snare and the floor
> > tom.
> >
> > I've been talking to Dave Dyer who makes Ryzer Rax custom drum racks
> > about making a version of the old trap tables out of his rack bars with
> > the clamps built in to facilitate thes kind of set ups. what do y'all
> > think? His racks are on my website if you want to check out some cool
> > stuff. I'm the distributor.
> >
> >
> > Ray Elliott Crawford wrote:
> > >
> > > app...@tiac.net (app...@tiac.net) wrote:
> > > : ...Brad Wilk didn't use any toms in front of him, only a floor tom,
> and
> > > : Jason Finn of Presidents of the United States of America did this, but
> > > : does anyone here do this?
Drummer
>feels more comfortable. Also it
I dont get it!! thats an oxymoron...do you mean as close or as far away as
possible??
as far in front????????