Music of Santeria
Gerry
Amira and Steven Cornelius. Published by White Cliffs Media, Reno NV.
Now distributed by Mel Bay.
I saw this a year ago and declined. When I never saw it again I
thought I had blown my only chance. So then when I did see it again I
scrafted it up pronto. As if I needed it!
Mel Bay has picked it up so I guess that means it will be around for a
while anyway. It has 45 pages of chat about Santeria, Bata Drums and
the rhythms. Then it has 75 pages of 3 drum transcriptions of Santeria
rythms/calls/entrances/etc.
Any of you santeria-heads wise to this? You like it? Hate it? Think
it's flawed by useful?
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Gerry
<spe...@home.com.nospam> wrote:
Oops. Got this confused with my post on sheet music.
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Robert E Beatty Jr.
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I've seen John Amira and company do the whole oru and it sounded good to me.
Actually Eric Paten from Columbus, OH, who studies with John Amira, was
called in as a last minute replacement and acquitted himself most admirably.
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Nazodesu
<fOAV6.78965$4f7.6...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Robert E
Beatty Jr. <Robert...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> I've seen John Amira and company do the whole oru and it sounded good to me.
> Actually Eric Paten from Columbus, OH, who studies with John Amira, was
> called in as a last minute replacement and acquitted himself most admirably.
Did they actually used bata drums?
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Yes. Why do you ask.
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Nolan Warden
tried to learn with that book for a while and I'm glad I found a real
teacher when I did. That book tends to notate things way too heavily (every
little touch). The result of this was that it took me months and months to
learn something from that book that took only a lesson or two with a
teacher.
Also, that is only one way of playing. The people that I have learned with
do not teach things exactly the way they are in that book. This book is
very helpful, but should not be your main source of learning.
-nolan
in article 120620011601324070%spe...@home.com.nospam, Gerry at
spe...@home.com.nospam wrote on 6/12/01 7:01 PM:
Nazodesu
<dNKV6.79732$4f7.6...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Robert E
Beatty Jr. <Robert...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > > I've seen John Amira and company do the whole oru and it sounded
> > > good to me. Actually Eric Paten from Columbus, OH, who studies
> > > with John Amira, was called in as a last minute replacement and
> > > acquitted himself most admirably.
> >
> > Did they actually used bata drums?
> >
>
> Yes. Why do you ask.
Bata drums are hard to come by and expensive. It seems to me that they
could be played on other drums to great effect. Like conga. it
wouldn't be the real deal, I know. But I'm messing with it just the
same.
Nazodesu
<nm...@student.berklee.edu> wrote:
> This is a very good book. However, it can NOT replace a real teacher. I
> tried to learn with that book for a while and I'm glad I found a real
> teacher when I did. That book tends to notate things way too heavily (every
> little touch). The result of this was that it took me months and months to
> learn something from that book that took only a lesson or two with a
> teacher.
I'm neither quibbling with you nor contesting what you you've said.
But can you give me an example of something that took months on your
own and was easily accessed with a teacher? --Not that I'll find a
bata teacher in my area, nor that I want to give me life to it.
> Also, that is only one way of playing. The people that I have learned with
> do not teach things exactly the way they are in that book. This book is
> very helpful, but should not be your main source of learning.
It most certainly WILL be my main source, but then as I said, this is
of passing curiousity and interest for me. In what way(s) do the
teachers you've used differ with the contents of the book?
Robert E Beatty Jr.
Nazodesu <22...@home.com.nospam> wrote in message
Robert E Beatty Jr.
LP, and some other manufacturers make them, all you have to do is order
them. We aren't talking about consecrated Fundamento Bata here. You'd need 6
congas to replicate all of the sounds of three bata and that would cost as
much as a set of commercially made bata. But don't let that stop you, have
fun.
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Nazodesu
<6iUV6.80609$4f7.6...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Robert E
Beatty Jr. <Robert...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> LP, and some other manufacturers make them, all you have to do is
> order them. We aren't talking about consecrated Fundamento Bata here.
Yeah, those are the ones I was referring to as expensive. Oddly I was
looking at one at Sam Ash just this past weekend. I patted it a bit
but after looking at the price I didn't want to chance playing and
liking it. I can barely sit in my studio from all the instruments in
it.
> You'd need 6 congas to replicate all of the sounds of three bata and
> that would cost as much as a set of commercially made bata. But don't
> let that stop you, have fun.
Well when there's "replication" and then there's just honking around...
Robert E Beatty Jr.
> In article
>
> Yeah, those are the ones I was referring to as expensive. Oddly I was
> looking at one at Sam Ash just this past weekend. I patted it a bit
> but after looking at the price I didn't want to chance playing and
> liking it. I can barely sit in my studio from all the instruments in
> it.
>
> --
> The storm starts when the drops start dropping. When the drops stop
dropping
> the storm starts stopping.
Understood, but the original question was, whether John Amira and his group
were playing on bata, or using substitutes.
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Carl Miller
> yah and you forgot about the drips dripping and drops dropping stuff
> too.
Did ya' have to remind him? :-)
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Carl Miller
wrote:
> LP, and some other manufacturers make them, all you have to do is
> order them. We aren't talking about consecrated Fundamento Bata here.
> You'd need 6 congas to replicate all of the sounds of three bata and
> that would cost as much as a set of commercially made bata. But don't
> let that stop you, have fun.
I'm not familiar with bata drums. Is there someplace on the net I can
read about them?
Thanks!
Nolan Warden
> read about them?
Batadrums.com
!!!
-nolan
Nolan Warden
> But can you give me an example of something that took months on your
> own and was easily accessed with a teacher? --Not that I'll find a
> bata teacher in my area, nor that I want to give me life to it.
I never even got through all of Eleggua with the book. I learned it in one
lesson with my teacher.
> It most certainly WILL be my main source, but then as I said, this is
> of passing curiousity and interest for me. In what way(s) do the
> teachers you've used differ with the contents of the book?
Well, different "houses" or lineages have different ways of playing things.
It is an oral tradition that has differences among the people that play it.
For example, the Amira book is New York style (which comes from Havana
style) but there is also the Matanzas style of playing that is much
different.
-nolan
Carl Miller
> Batadrums.com
Okay, so I missed the bleeding obvious once again. Or maybe I just
should have made a trip to my nearest search engine. Or kill me.
Robert E Beatty Jr.
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I should give you a lecture about search engines, but hey, I'm a nice guy.
http://w3.iac.net/~moonweb/Santeria/Drum/TOC.html
http://www.seanet.com/~efunmoyiwa/ochanet.html
http://194.147.82.110/cp/texteEsp/bata/bata.htm
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Nazodesu
<nm...@student.berklee.edu> wrote:
> > I'm neither quibbling with you nor contesting what you you've said.
> > But can you give me an example of something that took months on your
> > own and was easily accessed with a teacher? --Not that I'll find a
> > bata teacher in my area, nor that I want to give me life to it.
>
> I never even got through all of Eleggua with the book. I learned it in one
> lesson with my teacher.
Seems reasonable. What we learn with our ears and eyes can be much
different than trying to read an abstract concept out of a book.
Particularly true relative to getting a "feel".
>
> > It most certainly WILL be my main source, but then as I said, this is
> > of passing curiousity and interest for me. In what way(s) do the
> > teachers you've used differ with the contents of the book?
>
> Well, different "houses" or lineages have different ways of playing things.
> It is an oral tradition that has differences among the people that play it.
> For example, the Amira book is New York style (which comes from Havana
> style) but there is also the Matanzas style of playing that is much
> different.
Do these differences manifest just in feel or in actual rhythm content
of a specific construct like Eleggua for example?
Carl Miller
wrote:
> I should give you a lecture about search engines, but hey, I'm a nice
> guy.
Yeah I know, but search engines so often provide page after page of
pabulum, whereas one knowledgeable newsgroup participant can direct you
to the definitive source in short order.
And thanks for all the links!
Robert E Beatty Jr.
> On June 15 2001, "Robert E Beatty Jr." <Robert...@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
> > I should give you a lecture about search engines, but hey, I'm a nice
> > guy.
>
> Yeah I know, but search engines so often provide page after page of
> pabulum, whereas one knowledgeable newsgroup participant can direct you
> to the definitive source in short order.
Uhuh, and how do you think I found the links that I posted?
> And thanks for all the links!
>
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> Carl Miller
> cmi...@trellis.net
> http://www.mozuna.com
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a song where the conguero played part of a Bata toque on three congas. The
best that I could tell is that he focused on playing the open tones, and it
sounded wonderful to me. They also did a killer guauanco and ended the set
with a comparsa - walking off the stage and through the audience. I believe
that the conguero is the same as on the CD Descarga Total (Ahi-Nama Music
AHI-1026) which would be Yaroly Abreu. On the disc they actually use bata on
that particular tune.
And then I rember Orlando Torres, a Puerto Rican who lived in Cincinnati for
a few years going to school, and his crew playing Chachalokefun on plena
panderos. Once again focusing on the open tones. I don't know how I could
have forgotten about this.
So this can be done. Keeping in mind that these are pretty advanced players,
and I would guess that they worked out there arrangements from memory and
not from tablature.