WANTED FEMALE LEAD GUITARIST
Camille M. Schmidt
guitarist w/strong country and blues skills. Must be willing to relocate.
Professional attitude, good look, and pro rig a must!
Band plays 50 weeks a year in US and Europe. Good money.
Come on now think! You know a female lead guitarist somewhere in this
world.
E-mail us at: cami...@earthlink.net
Or Fax us: c/o M.S. (615) 254-8667
PRSLover1
HA! Is there such a thing?
On a feminist side, I do think Bonnie Raitt plays slide better than I ever
will.
Jack A. Zucker
anyone in this group under the table thought I'd call neither a *LEAD*
guitarist.
-Jaz
--
Jack A. Zucker (Jaz)
Cleveland, OH USA
E-mail: j...@gwis.com
Web: http://w3.gwis.com/~jaz
Nan Wang
RainyBane
>I know I'll be flamed for this but...
>
>HA! Is there such a thing?
Now that's a really stupid question.
Carl Christensen
wrote:
>I would venture to say that Emily Remler, or Leona Boyd could play
>anyone in this group under the table thought I'd call neither a *LEAD*
>guitarist.
Don't forget Jenniffer Batten, her of the terrible wig and tapping
version of Giant Steps!
--
Carl Christensen
Philadelphia, PA USA
E-mail: ca...@navpoint.com Web: http://www.navpoint.com/~carl
The Muse
The Muse
guitarist w/strong country, country rock, bluegrass, and blues skills.
Professional attitude, good look, and pro rig a must!
Band plays 50 weeks a year in US and Europe. Excellent money while
furthering career.
Robb Scott
<5131ED7C843C4CBF.78815F2A...@library-proxy.airnews.net>,
Back...@netexpress.net wrote:
> What kind of discriminatory crap is this? Hire someone based
> on how well they can play, how professional they are, and how well
> they get along with everyone. But don't hire based on what sex they
> are.
Being female might be part of the act. No one's called me to replace
Ginger Spice (they're in serious talks with LuteGirl, though). They might
be after a look, or they might have background vocal parts all written
around a female voice.
Still....replace "female" with "male", "black", or "white". Hmmmmm...
In our local lefty/artsy/commie weekly, bands regularly advertise for
players in the classified, and it's not uncommon to see "band seeks lead
guitar, must have trans, pro gear and be between 20-30 years old", or
"must look contemporary". Maybe I could sue.....
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Patrick F. Coleman
>x-no-archive: yes
>Qro...@ycrdi.com (Robb Scott) did spew forth the following:
>>Being female might be part of the act. No one's called me to replace
>>Ginger Spice (they're in serious talks with LuteGirl, though). They might
>>be after a look, or they might have background vocal parts all written
>>around a female voice.
>>
>>Still....replace "female" with "male", "black", or "white". Hmmmmm...
>>
>>In our local lefty/artsy/commie weekly, bands regularly advertise for
>>players in the classified, and it's not uncommon to see "band seeks lead
>>guitar, must have trans, pro gear and be between 20-30 years old", or
>>"must look contemporary". Maybe I could sue.....
> I just think it's dumb to exclude somebody based on their
>genitalia.
> In my opinion, the following are the sole criteria by which
>somebody should be judged:
> a) Are they a competant player?
> b) Does their style compliment the theme of the band?
> c) Do they have a professional attitude and a good work
>ethic?
> d) Do they have a professional sound?
> e) Do they know the repertoire?
>WTFDIK?
>Backcracker
>--
>DC2B
I've known a couple of women who were in 'all girl' bands.. and the
idea was since there are 'all boy' bands, why not?
(one had a great name.. Motorpussy.)
You don't choose las vegas showgirls on the criteria of can they
dance, etc, only, do you? They not only can't look like the pre-CBS
Paula Jones, they have to be actual females.
Show business is the part of this you don't like.
Anyone who says,' we're looking for a female for this part', is
paying attention to the show business aspect that you don't care
about, because you apply your standards to the music only.
Also, there's no doubt about it.. when I think of background singers,
I think not only of women, but black women... it's not politically
correct to say so, and damned if I can understand why.
You take any 10 albums from say.. 30 years ago with white female
backup on one, and black female backup on the other.. and it's pretty
obvious that there's a whole different quality to the voices.. it's
distinctively different.
Look at the spice girls.. there's no difference in those voices....
they all sound like 1950s Mitch Miller white girls to me.
Listen to McGuire sisters.. then listen to Pointer Sisters...
yeeha!
Listen to male backup.. (Linda Ronstadt records for example) and
compare it to female backup... and what I'm saying here is that voice
type is related to voice quality. I might WANT a female voice for a
certain part, and therefore a female to fill a certain role in the
band.
Just remind yourself of the castrati...and be glad women can get
gigs now!
Twang!
Mark Heustis
> b) Does their style compliment the theme of the band?
> c) Do they have a professional attitude and a good work
>ethic?
> d) Do they have a professional sound?
> e) Do they know the repertoire?
Can't remember the source, but: "You can teach someone to play a guitar but
you can't teach him to be skinny."
(This was a guideline during the early 80's hair band days.)
Mark
STRATQUEEN
<<In our local lefty/artsy/commie weekly, bands regularly advertise for players
in the classified, and it's not uncommon to see "band seeks lead
guitar, must have trans, pro gear and be between 20-30 years old", or "must
look contemporary". Maybe I could sue.....>>
Call me, Robb. hehehehe
--SSQ
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STRATQUEEN
<<I just think it's dumb to exclude somebody based on their genitalia.>>
You wouldn't have said that if you went to college where I did!
STRATQUEEN
<<There is NOTHING anatomically different about the vocal process' of caucasian
vs. negro women. Ergo, any white woman can be
trained to sing like a black woman and visa versa.>>
Huh? I think the statement "ANY white woman" is pushing it a little. Sure,
Bonnie Raitt can sing like Sippie Wallace, but Bonnie has been infused with
that music her entire life. I'd like to see Jennifer Warnes, or Natalie
Imbruglia, or Bjork sing like Sippie.....or Bonnie, for that matter.
<<Do you think that Janice Joplin sounds "white"?>>
Nope. She sounded like a cranked up blues singer to me, but I loved her music.
--Sharon
STRATQUEEN
>>You wouldn't have said that if you went to college where I did!>>
Kevin responded:
>And how does that relates to sexually discriminatory hiring practices within a
musical ensemble?>
Kevin, you're obviously humour impaired this morning! I was referring to the
Lesbian community at my law school (i.e., it was a joke -- I guess a BAD
one....sorry).
Patrick F. Coleman
>x-no-archive: yes
>tw...@prairie.lakes.com (Patrick F. Coleman) did spew forth the
>following:
>> I've known a couple of women who were in 'all girl' bands.. and the
>>idea was since there are 'all boy' bands, why not?
> Reverse discrimination, 'eh? It sucks just as much as the
>real deal. I don't believe in those kinds of programs which were
>designed to "level the playing field". It gives special rights to any
>group who can claim some (any) kind of historic discrimination.
Bullshit my friend. If a group of females want to form a band, they
can. There is no program here. Nobodies levelling any fields.
(although they should.. women don't make as much as men for the same
work, which is wrong, period.)
As for historic discrimination reparations.. I JUST FUCKING LOVE
watching what the Jewish people are doing lately.. It just tickles the
shit out of me to see the Swiss bankers with the little beads of sweat
on their upper lips, and the middle management Insureance Executives
squirming on their hemorhoids.
And there are other cases, similar to this, that I also am 100% in
favor of. But that's another thread, another group.
>I firmly believe in special rights for nobody. Equal rights for all.
except for four women that want to start a band?
or a band that wants to hire a woman?
>>(one had a great name.. Motorpussy.)
> Purrrrrrrrrr.
I agree.
>> You don't choose las vegas showgirls on the criteria of can they
>>dance, etc, only, do you? They not only can't look like the pre-CBS
>>Paula Jones, they have to be actual females.
> Of course. Show girls are show girls. Just like show-men, are
>show-men. But we're not talking about people in a dance troupe.
>We're talking about *MUSICIANS*. And I feel that those who hire
>musicians ought to be gender blind.
I don't. I don't because I don't want that much power.
I don't want to be sole judge of what musician is, or what musician
can do.
I can't prove anything about intent from the request for a female
guitarist.
>> Show business is the part of this you don't like.
> I don't know if I agree with you.
That's a neat way of sidestepping the issue, if I may be so bold.
You separate show business (show girls) and music as if that's all
there is to it. As if One is over here, and the other is over there.
Wake up.
>> Anyone who says,' we're looking for a female for this part', is
>>paying attention to the show business aspect that you don't care
>>about, because you apply your standards to the music only.
> Possibly. Or as you said above, they could be after the
>reverse discrimination thingy. - Something which I feel truely sucks.
'the reverse discrimination thingy'.... right.
You can hire people because they're able to do a job.
If one of the criteria is maleness.. we need a male bass singer for
this part..
or femaleness.. we need a female contralto for this part..
the 'discrimination thingy' starts to look pretty feeble and alone.
If you say.. the time is right in the market for a young girl rock n
roll singer.. and you offer Joan Jett a contract...
nobody can tell you not to.
>>Also, there's no doubt about it.. when I think of background singers,
>>I think not only of women, but black women... it's not politically
>>correct to say so, and damned if I can understand why.
>> You take any 10 albums from say.. 30 years ago with white female
>>backup on one, and black female backup on the other.. and it's pretty
>>obvious that there's a whole different quality to the voices.. it's
>>distinctively different.
> There is NOTHING anatomically different about the vocal
>process' of caucasian vs. negro women. Ergo, any white woman can be
>trained to sing like a black woman and visa versa.
So what? Very few learn to do that, and of those that try, many
fail. And if you can't accept the fact that it would be pretty hard
and pretty silly to try to find three white women who can sound just
like three black women, I don't know how to respond.
YOU are talking about anatomical differences, not me. I'm talking
about what is in the culture, in the real world, operating, and
whether or not one can take advantage of that without being called
discriminatory.
> Do you think that Janice Joplin sounds "white"?
Yes, I do. always did.
I hear South Texas all over her voice. I hear a nasal quality I
identify as being 'white'. I hear the country in that woman a lot.
Do you think dusty springfield sounds like martha reeves?
What if I want Marthas voice and not dustys.. or vice versa?
I characterize one as 'black female sounding' and the other as 'white
female sounding' not to discriminate, but to describe.. to point to a
quality of the style, voice, etc. All things which these two women
learned independantly of each other, and which are typical of what
black women and white women of their day tended to sound like.
This is meant to be objective. It's non partisan, non prejudicial.
>> Look at the spice girls.. there's no difference in those voices....
>>they all sound like 1950s Mitch Miller white girls to me.
> To be honest, I've never really listened to the Spice Girls.
>Or The New Kids on The Block, or any other bubble-gum type pop act.
Well.. you missed all the ads for the movie and the ads for their
appearances on television and managed to avoid accidentally catching a
snippet of them on the radio, too.
Well done, old bean!
Me, I've run into them on letterman and leno and on show biz tonight
and zipped by countless ads for tours and movies.. and from this I
have an idea of what they sound like. I thought you might, too.
>> Listen to McGuire sisters.. then listen to Pointer Sisters...
>>yeeha!
> When I was in music school, I was friends with many voice
>majors (opera folk). A few of them were black. And I'll be damned if
>I could differentiate between them and their white colleages (via
>recording, or via a blindfold test).
That's the whole deal with opera.. to develop tones according to a
formal method.. and while the methods of various teachers may seem to
be radically different, opera singing always sounds like opera
singing.
It isn't intended to allow such things as the strong cultural
influence of gospel music, or the rawness of blues... this is simply
not a valid comparison. This opera bit of yours argues but it does
not relate.
Besides, those people should all be shot for doing that to their
voices.. for me, that's the penalty for not sounding white or black.
>> Listen to male backup.. (Linda Ronstadt records for example) and
>>compare it to female backup... and what I'm saying here is that voice
>>type is related to voice quality. I might WANT a female voice for a
>>certain part, and therefore a female to fill a certain role in the
>>band.
> Perhaps. But last I heard, they were looking for a female
>GUITARIST. Does that mean that they can only play in the upper
>registers of the guitar (whereas the testicle-sporting player must be
>content to playing on the lower registers? <G>
I don't know anything about playing with testicles. Honest. Really.
well. maybe I've heard something. but .. never mind that.
No, as I said, it means they can choose someone for guitar who may
offer something else they want... and that could be the voice, as you
agree, or it could be the image.. as you should agree.
And if that image, they think, calls for a female... if they think
the appeal of the group is an important consideration and want to hire
a female specifically in order to achieve satisfaction as regards that
aspect.. if that is a goal they set and is of importance to them.. we
can let them.
There is no reasonable fear that this is discriminatory in this
case.. we haven't information enough to show that.. maybe they're just
looking for a female because they have one already and want another
because the female they have wants female company..is that wrong?
If someone wanted to investigate this, I'd be surprised.
>> Just remind yourself of the castrati...and be glad women can get
>>gigs now!
> You just had to use the "c-word", didn't ya? <GG>
I thought I'd scare you off, but you were too tough for me.
Twang!
>Backcracker
>--
>DC2B
ronald...@mci.com
whatever. This reminds me of the guy who sued because he could not be a
Hooters Girl. Give me a break! If I walk into Hooters, and get served by
some dude, I'm going to walk out.
Who pays to see an Ugly supermodel? Would a white receptionist at the NAACP
headquarters be appropriate? Equality is good and fine, but some positions
require looks, talent, specific skills or even race. Quotas suck. I've been
in situations where I was told by my boss that we could not consider "White
Males" because of quotas. This really sucked because I could not ask the
person their race prior to setting up an interview, but if the canidate was
White, the interview was over before I asked one question.
If a band wants a female guitar player, they will hire a female guitar
player. If they don't advertise as such, you can waste their and your time
and money, but I'd rather see them just post it up front.
Ron
In article <QrobbQ-0509...@p65.tc2.metro.ma.tiac.com>,
Qro...@ycrdi.com (Robb Scott) wrote:
> In article
> <5131ED7C843C4CBF.78815F2A...@library-proxy.airnews.net>,
> Back...@netexpress.net wrote:
>
> > What kind of discriminatory crap is this? Hire someone based
> > on how well they can play, how professional they are, and how well
> > they get along with everyone. But don't hire based on what sex they
> > are.
>
> Being female might be part of the act. No one's called me to replace
> Ginger Spice (they're in serious talks with LuteGirl, though). They might
> be after a look, or they might have background vocal parts all written
> around a female voice.
>
> Still....replace "female" with "male", "black", or "white". Hmmmmm...
>
> In our local lefty/artsy/commie weekly, bands regularly advertise for
> players in the classified, and it's not uncommon to see "band seeks lead
> guitar, must have trans, pro gear and be between 20-30 years old", or
> "must look contemporary". Maybe I could sue.....
>
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> | Lynn, MA 01902 Original Music for Video and Multimedia |
> | 781-598-9593 |
> | Robb "AT" ycrdi.com |
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STRATQUEEN
<<No impairment on my end. I had/have no idea which law school you attended.
Nor do I know anything about the lesbian community there. It was more of a
mis-communication than a bad joke.>>
I forgot you came along here long after all the rampant jokes about the
lesbians at my law school. No wonder the joke didn't click for you. Sorry.
<<No biggie.>>
Good. ;-)
Patrick F. Coleman
>x-no-archive: yes
>ronald...@mci.com did spew forth the following:
>>Oh god, RMMG PC???
> I'm not PC. I'm just a white male who's pissed because it
>seems as though certain groups in our society have been allocated
>special rights.
> What if I posted an ad which read:
> "White Male Guitarist Needed
> Females, blacks, asians, hispanics, etc.. need not apply."
The ad in here did not specify a race color creed etc..
It did say they wanted a female. You admit that music is part show
biz, and in the case of groups like the spice girls all showbiz, and
you admit it's ok in those circumstances.. so leave the hypothetical
bs out and deal with the case in point.
otherwise alt.politics would be a good place to take this.
also the bit about saying others 'need not apply' is a tick taken
straight out of redneckian history.... asshole white people who
discriminated against any and all who threatened their stranglehold on
the country, including other whites who didn't agree with them.
Attempting to turn this around in this case is disingenous to say the
least. A troll.
> I would then be labled a bigot, a hate monger, a chauvinist,
>etc...
>>Let's face it, some jobs require Black, Female, Male,
>>whatever.
> Hmmmm. Police? No. Firefighters? No. Military? No.
>Mail carriers? No. Food service? No. Teachers? No. Clerical /
>Secretary? No. Doctor? No. Retail sales? No. Auto / Diesel
>Repair? No. Pilot? No. Air Traffic control? No. Counseling? No.
>Entrepreneur? No. Investor? No. Real Estage agent? No. Assembly
>line worker? No. Manual Laborer? (Electrician, plumber, roofer,
>welder, etc...)? No. Nurse? No. Physical Therapist? No. Misc
>Hospital Employee (phlebotomy, x-ray tech, etc..). No. Author? No.
>Artist? No. Poet? No. Landscaper? No.
> As a matter of fact, I can't really think of too many jobs
>which really DO require specifically a male or a female . The
>following short list comes to mind:
> Actors, singers, dancers, models.
and musicians. like it or not.
and first you claim there are not jobs that fit this.. then you list
some...
> What's interesting here is that all of these genres are in
>industries - which generally is populated by a high percentage of
>liberals. (By today's definition). And yet, it's where you can find a
>whole lot of segregation. Oxymoron anybody?
do you have some facts for this.. some statistics.. a poll.. anything
at all?
Doesn't it occur to you that showbusiness LEAD the way in non
discrminination in some cases? Haven't you ever noticed how many
entertainers are role models and symbols in our culture because they
fought discrimination and paved the way for others?
I think you're the moron here, bud.. sorry.
And talk about historic revisionism.. you're the one taking the
struggle these folks made against the white male bigots of the world
who did have control and who needed a good spanking and making it seem
that it was in fact reverse discrimination that got them their jobs.
how shoddy.
I repeat, take it to alt.politics.
>>This reminds me of the guy who sued because he could not be a
>>Hooters Girl. Give me a break! If I walk into Hooters, and get served by
>>some dude, I'm going to walk out.
> a) In my opinion, that guy was looking for a quick buck from
>a frivilous lawsuit moreso than he was trying to make a political
>statement.
> b) What he was doing was basically a mirror image of what
>women had done earlier in history because of sexual segregation.
Yeah.. probably a right winger trying to screw someone up in any way
he could to make a meaningless point.
>>Who pays to see an Ugly supermodel?
> Have you seen many high fashion shows? Have you seen many
>cologne commercials? Where do they get these people? Besides, beauty
>is in the eye of the beholder. The fashion world's "idea" of the
>perfect body type is borderline anorexic.
>>Would a white receptionist at the NAACP
>>headquarters be appropriate?
> If the NAACP wanted to follow the true spirit of equality,
>then yes it would. Are they interested in equal rights, or special
>rights (redress for historic injustices)?
You call it special rights.
>>Equality is
good and fine, but some positions
>>require looks, talent, specific skills or even race.
> And when you take a macroscopic view of the labor pool, those
>jobs are a VERY small minority. (see above)
so what?
>>Quotas suck.
> Amen.
I think they did a fine job when they were needed.
>>I've been
>>in situations where I was told by my boss that we could not consider "White
>>Males" because of quotas. This really sucked because I could not ask the
>>person their race prior to setting up an interview, but if the canidate was
>>White, the interview was over before I asked one question.
> That is insane.
Not if they hired sixty white males and the gov. came in and said you
can't do this.
not enough information here except that needed for a redneck love
fest.
alt.politics anyone?
Hire somebody based on their merit, their
>track record, their attitude, their enthusiasm, etc... You don't hire
>somebody because some God damn government agency says you have to hire
>some percentage.
You do if your previous history was hiring only white males.
> I'll bet that company was in danger of losing some
>kind of subsidy.
yeah,.. makes them especially crappy if they're sucking at the public
trough and bigots.
> And then the politicians (who are themselves puppets
>of the special interest groups)
unlike the puppets of jerry falwell or pat robertson...? LOL
> dangle the money in front of the
>company...and say "If you want this, you will follow the new rules".
No, first they dangle the law in front of them... the money they get
from any subsidy or contract from the government SHOULD be in
accordance with law shouldn't it?
really... you just want a forum.. you don't need to be doing this shit
in here.
take it to political room or a chat room..
>>If a band wants a female guitar player, they will hire a female guitar
>>player. If they don't advertise as such, you can waste their and your time
>>and money, but I'd rather see them just post it up front.
> Of course they're going to hire a female guitar player. That
>doesn't mean I have to like it. :)
who cares if you like it? I don't.
This thread should be email, chatroom or political newsgroup, I
think..
I don't tell anyone what to do.. (at least, and not expect them to do
it) so I'm just going to bow out.
Twang!
ps
not interested in it anyway.. so no email for me on this please.. the
arguments here are incomplete and non guitar.
>Backcracker
>--
>DC2B
evil twinŽ
(Backcrkr) wrote:
> Hey, if you're going to discriminate, why stop there? Why not
>be an equal opportunity sexist, racist, bigot, pig? Where does one
>draw the line as to who is "fair game", and who is "hand's off"?
>Or is it just open season on white males?
Actually, it *is* open season on white males.
RUN FOR YOUR LIFE, KEVIN!
> Uh-huh. Welcome to Affirmative Action 101. Welcome to Outcome
>Based Education. Welcome to the dumbing down of our schools. To hell
>with excellence in the work place. To hell with people pulling
>themselves up by their bootstraps, and blazing their own trail. Let's
>just blame everything on the evil white males -
No, just blame everything on liberals. It's so much easier
than having to think.
Dan Stanley
evil twin® <ha...@primary.net> wrote in article
<35f77df4...@news.primary.net>...
> On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 01:03:34 GMT, Back...@netexpress.net
> (Backcrkr) wrote:
>
> > Hey, if you're going to discriminate, why stop there? Why not
> >be an equal opportunity sexist, racist, bigot, pig? Where does one
> >draw the line as to who is "fair game", and who is "hand's off"?
> >Or is it just open season on white males?
>
> Actually, it *is* open season on white males.
An' them's good eatin'...
And hey, what about those ads I see that say stuff like "guitarist wanted,
must be drug and alcohol free"? That's a blatant discrimination against the
substance abusers among us, who (according to many many polls too numerous
to look up) make up over 100% (+/- 3%) of the population? I believe that
there should be a law stating that ALL workplaces have at least ONE
unreliable worker for every ten productive workers, and if the firm is too
small to have 10 full time workers, ALL the new hires MUST be substance
abusers. Unless they are Aleutian Lesbians, in which case they are not
REQUIRED to be substance abusers, but merely asked to try it as a
"lifestyle choice".
SDan, and I VOTE!
TheLuteGRL
>Ginger Spice (they're in serious talks with LuteGirl, though).
I loathe when this happens,(but I must admit I get a lot of work because of
it).It's patronizing and demoralizing at times,having my chromosone order
thrown about like some glorifying title or freak show.
Kind of like a monkey or bear in the circus riding a bicycle.People pay good
money to go see that,but some ordinary kid riding his bike down the street is
no big deal.
It's a fad that I'd rather not be a part of,the next big thing you know will be
the underprivilaged one armed guitarists.
The bad thing is,if you have to put the emphasis or focus on any of these
things then it isn't about the music anymore,and chances are that subconsiously
deep down inside people will convince themselves that they are limited in thier
skills by thier background and not on thier merit or talent as a player.
These things can poison someones self -esteem,and they might not ever reach
thier full potential.Hence the scarcity of "Female Lead Guitarists".
Andrew P. Mullhaupt
TheLuteGRL wrote in message
<199809081431...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
>
>These things can poison someones self -esteem,and they might not ever reach
>thier full potential.Hence the scarcity of "Female Lead Guitarists".
Yup. My wife has played guitar for at least thirty years, and when she was a
teen, nobody would let girls play electrics! She actually had people who
taught electric refuse to take her as a student because of her sex. When we
bought her first electric ever (the all-conquering Orange Custom 22) one of
the things we noticed was that the attitude of the people in the store was
about ten times cooler with the idea of women playing solid body electrics
than anywhere else - it didn't bother them at all.
As a keyboard player, I never thought about this much until I met my wife
and realized how stifled she had been by other people's attitude. It didn't
mean much to me when she wanted to get a solid body one way or the other and
I was very surprised to find that she regarded that very much to my credit.
You know something is wrong out there when someone is impressed by an act of
indifference.
Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
STRATQUEEN
<<As a keyboard player, I never thought about this much until I met my wife and
realized how stifled she had been by other people's attitude.>>
I can relate. When I first started taking acoustic lessons in approx. 1970, my
teacher was a John Denver look-alike (wannabe) and he was not very supportive.
When I moved to Dallas two years later and took up steel guitar, my teacher was
phenomenol. Even though I was a female in a southern Baptist bible belt, he
encouraged me to press forward and practice every day. Even after 26 years, I
can still recall it like it was yesterday.
Patrick F. Coleman
I think everything you said was a bunch of shit.
I told you I'm not going to argue nonsense with you.
ta ta
Twang!
Steve
>
> All sarcasm aside, I do think that those hysterical anti drug
> ads are just that. They're a blatant invasion of privacy.
And they are a terrible waste of money. They don't work.
They are stupidly conceived. Counter-productive.
Ludicrous.
I recall
> not too long ago seeing a sign on the door of Computer City - which
> boasted that all of their employees are smoke and drug free. Boy, I'm
> really inclined to want to shop there based on that.
Hey, Louis Armstrong played *only* stoned (pot)--thank GOD!
Ulysses S. Grant was a drunkard--and a great general!
(Lincoln said something to the effect: "I'd much rather have a drunk
Grant than a sober McClellan...")
Steve
Andrew P. Mullhaupt
Steve wrote in message <35F5DF...@sprintmail.com>...
>Ulysses S. Grant was a drunkard--and a great general!
You're pretty far from the mark on this one. To the extent that Grant's
drinking is documented, it _impaired_ his abilities as a commander.
>(Lincoln said something to the effect: "I'd much rather have a drunk
>Grant than a sober McClellan...")
Lincoln had several people inserted into Grant's staff as basically a
sobriety police as a result of people's high profile comments. When
confronted with one such report he once turned it aside by wishing that all
his other Generals had a barrel of that brand.
There is also the question of Grant's greatness as a General. His greatness
consists largely of realizing that against the convex South's 'interior
lines' well defended by the likes of Lee, Jackson (who had sworn off whiskey
because he found he liked the taste) and Longstreet, that his advantage lay
in his superior resources, and the willingness to wage a long war of
attrition which only a great blunder could lose. The Federals had far more
brilliant Generals - but was saddled with the structure of incumbents of the
pre-war army. Grant was far better than his predecessors, but the Union had
guys like Greer and Chaimberlain down at the brigade level, and lost two
real top notch commanders - Reynolds and Hancock - at Gettysburg.
But you get a much better picture from reading Shelby Foote's narrative on
the Civil War.
As to music? The "people make music better when stoned" argument has been
around for years. Try dejanews and rec.audio.pro. But the bottom line is if
you find that drugs are not really a ticket to greatness; the largest effect
is the eventual impairment and illness or death. There's probably just about
twenty years of Lowell George that we don't have now.
Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
Ron Thompson
> Yup. My wife has played guitar for at least thirty years, and when she was a
> teen, nobody would let girls play electrics! She actually had people who
> taught electric refuse to take her as a student because of her sex. When we
> bought her first electric ever (the all-conquering Orange Custom 22) one of
> the things we noticed was that the attitude of the people in the store was
> about ten times cooler with the idea of women playing solid body electrics
> than anywhere else - it didn't bother them at all.
>
> mean much to me when she wanted to get a solid body one way or the other and
> I was very surprised to find that she regarded that very much to my credit.
> You know something is wrong out there when someone is impressed by an act of
> indifference.
Oh nothin. Just waiting. ET© should be along any minute
now...<sound>taptaptaptap...<of>taptaptaptap...<drumming>taptaptaptap...<fingers>taptaptaptap...
--
rct
The opinions above are mine and mine alone.
Ron Thompson
>
> Steve wrote in message <35F5DF...@sprintmail.com>...
>
> >Ulysses S. Grant was a drunkard--and a great general!
>
> You're pretty far from the mark on this one. To the extent that Grant's
> drinking is documented, it _impaired_ his abilities as a commander.
I would actually have to join Andrew in some overachieving here and agree. Grant sometimes suffered
from sitting on his thumbs as a result of either too much fire water, or not enough, depending on
the campaign and it's relative progress, or lack thereof.
> >(Lincoln said something to the effect: "I'd much rather have a drunk
> >Grant than a sober McClellan...")
>
> Lincoln had several people inserted into Grant's staff as basically a
> sobriety police as a result of people's high profile comments. When
> confronted with one such report he once turned it aside by wishing that all
> his other Generals had a barrel of that brand.
Yeah man. Lincoln had taken quite a bit of flack for sticking Grant in charge in the first place.
He had to have some kinda wit when it came time for someone to point out Mr. Grant's shortcomings.
> There is also the question of Grant's greatness as a General. His greatness
> consists largely of realizing that against the convex South's 'interior
> lines' well defended by the likes of Lee, Jackson (who had sworn off whiskey
> because he found he liked the taste) and Longstreet, that his advantage lay
> in his superior resources, and the willingness to wage a long war of
> attrition which only a great blunder could lose.
Aye. Grant knew this would suck, and if we had recordings from inside those tents, I'd bet a buck
we would hear him say as much. He knew that the only way the complacent status quo could win this
little Sunday diversion would be by getting a really big pile of youth killed. That was the only
way. He also knew it was a self perpetuating circle, the more killed, the more passion could be
aroused, the more he could get to stand up there and be killed. It sucked.
> The Federals had far more brilliant Generals - but was saddled with the structure of incumbents of
> the pre-war army.
A study in and of itself. The United States Army was not the glamorous, honor-driven thing that
most would like to believe it was prior to The Big One. It was patronage personified.
> Grant was far better than his predecessors, but the Union had
> guys like Greer and Chaimberlain down at the brigade level, and lost two
> real top notch commanders - Reynolds and Hancock - at Gettysburg.
Grant recognized that in order to make an omelette, he had to be willing to break some eggs. A
whole bunch of them in fact.
> But you get a much better picture from reading Shelby Foote's narrative on
> the Civil War.
And Ken Burns' Rocumentary ain't bad either.
> As to music? The "people make music better when stoned" argument has been
> around for years. Try dejanews and rec.audio.pro. But the bottom line is if
> you find that drugs are not really a ticket to greatness; the largest effect
> is the eventual impairment and illness or death. There's probably just about
> twenty years of Lowell George that we don't have now.
Music? Oh yeah. Lowell George and a whole bunch of others. It was something that had its time,
now it is gone. We allegedly know better. Don't we? I can't seem to remember. I'm pretty hungry,
so I'm going to have this big bag of Doritos and down this 64oz slurpee. Man, I could use a nap
too, and its only 8.45. Dang, what am I doing up this early? Wheres my belt???...
TheLuteGRL
>bought her first electric ever (the all-conquering Orange Custom 22) one of
>the things we noticed was that the attitude of the people in the store was
>about ten times cooler with the idea of women playing solid body electrics
>than anywhere else - it didn't bother them at all.
I bought my first electric guitar a Hofner,for 50$ from a guy i used to sit by
in an art class.At the time it never crossed my mind that I was doing anything
out of the ordinary or taboo,but then again I was sitting next to a guy who
constantly drew bizzare and religious erotic art,at the time of the sale he
was working on a drawing of sperm with glowing halos swimming up this elaborate
system of fallopian tubes to a womb with a giant sun.It was fascinating,but all
I could really thing about was getting my hands on that guitar.
Ron Thompson
> I bought my first electric guitar a Hofner,for 50$ from a guy i used to sit by
> in an art class.At the time it never crossed my mind that I was doing anything
> out of the ordinary or taboo,but then again I was sitting next to a guy who
> constantly drew bizzare and religious erotic art,at the time of the sale he
> was working on a drawing of sperm with glowing halos swimming up this elaborate
> system of fallopian tubes to a womb with a giant sun.It was fascinating,but all
> I could really thing about was getting my hands on that guitar.
You got any more of that stuff?
TheLuteGRL
I still have the guitar.....
who knows,If I had passed up the guitar
I might now be a famous painter,famous but poor...
many,many guitars later....My sunshine rains guitars!
Patrick F. Coleman
*snipped stuff I'm not interested in.*
WE are not debating.. YOU are debating.
I'm not interested.. I have NOTHING to learn from you about your
position.. thanks anyway..
not here, not email, not at all... I'm just not interested.
Twang!
evil twinŽ
<thom...@admin.tc.faa.gov> wrote:
>Andrew P. Mullhaupt wrote:
>[stuff]
>Oh nothin. Just waiting. ET© should be along any minute
>now...
Here's The Idiot.
Ummm.... What was I supposed to do? I read through it a
couple times, and despite Andrew's position as Official
Straight Man, I really didn't see any obvious humor
opportunities capable of being pulled off with a minimum of
effort.
><sound>taptaptaptap...<of>taptaptaptap...<drumming>taptaptaptap...
Ohmigod! Did you go drummer on us?
Ron Thompson
Nahh. I hit the cymbals with the headstock. As close to drumming as I have gotten since 1968.
The post was all about Andrews' Mrs.
You do have a question, don't you? Is your tinfoil helmet in the shop er sumpin?
evil twinŽ
<thom...@admin.tc.faa.gov> wrote:
>evil twin® wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 11:22:04 -0400, Ron Thompson
>> <thom...@admin.tc.faa.gov> wrote:
>>
>> >Andrew P. Mullhaupt wrote:
>> >[stuff]
>>
>> >Oh nothin. Just waiting. ET© should be along any minute
>> >now...
>>
>> Here's The Idiot.
>> Ummm.... What was I supposed to do? I read through it a
>> couple times, and despite Andrew's position as Official
>> Straight Man, I really didn't see any obvious humor
>> opportunities capable of being pulled off with a minimum of
>> effort.
>>
>> ><sound>taptaptaptap...<of>taptaptaptap...<drumming>taptaptaptap...
>>
>> Ohmigod! Did you go drummer on us?
>
>Nahh. I hit the cymbals with the headstock.
>As close to drumming as I have gotten since 1968.
>
>The post was all about Andrews' Mrs.
>
>You do have a question, don't you? Is your tinfoil helmet in the shop er sumpin?
Ohhhh...THAT. He already said she digs Strats - what more
needs to be known?
stevi...@hotmail.com
We already know that she's hot.
So.... She's hot and likes Strats. What more could you possibly want?
Hope this helps.
srd
STRATQUEEN
<<We already know that she's hot.
So.... She's hot and likes Strats. What more could you possibly want?>>
Why thank you, Rob....I wasn't sure you'd noticed yet. <eg>