Ultimate Chorus pedal?!?
Jack A. Zucker
Chorus, Boss CH-1, CE-2, CE-3, CE-20 Maxon 505, Voodoo Labs etc. None
seem to really give me what I'm looking for though the TC is the
closest.
The TC's problem is that it boosts the treble and cuts the mids
slightly which makes it sound thin when trying to use it for distorted
solos. Additionally, the non-true bypass in the TC is less than
stellar. It seems that it's still cutting the mids even in bypass
mode. However, it's actual chorus tone is exactly what I'm looking for
in a clean tone chorus... I've thought about using the TC with some
kind of true-bypass setup, perhaps even having it modified for true
bypass if possible...
I had high hopes for the fulltone. It does not cut the mids and it's
buffered bypass sounds great without any coloration. The problem I had
(with 2 different units) is a slight distortion on hard peaks. This
occured on units made in the first year of production. If he's cured
this then perhaps the fulltone may be worth re-consideration.
The Maxon sounds good for a cheap pedal but it thins the guitar tone
too much, boosting the treble and cutting the mids. This makes it
sound less muddy than the Boss pedals and it sounds good for rhythm or
fingerpicked clean but not good for overdriven stuff. Even the clean
stuff needed an amp adjustment due to the bosted high frequencies.
None of the Boss pedals sound good to me. They are all muddy.
The Voodoo labs chorus did not sound good to me. Supposedly it's a
clone of the CE-1 but I doubt it. I also tried their micro-vibe and it
sounded nothing like a real univibe so I suspect their claims about
being a CE-1 clone are marketing ploys...
I like the sound of the Roland JC-120 chorus which some have said is
basically a stereo CE-1 circuit. In that realm, is the analogman clone
chorus similar? Perhaps that's worth checking out?!?
Thanks in advance,
Jaz
jim_kaznosky(jk852@columbianotspam.edu
"Jack A. Zucker" wrote:
Try the effects forum on Harmony Central.
Richard
> I like the sound of the Roland JC-120 chorus which some have said is
> basically a stereo CE-1 circuit. In that realm, is the analogman clone
> chorus similar? Perhaps that's worth checking out?!?
All things said, the Analog Man chorus is my favorite chorus pedal.
It's not a JC-120, of course, but it's got a beautiful warm sound.
The thing that makes it annoying to me is that there's a deliberate
eccentricity in the cycle, which Mike said he did because that's what
the original Small Stone chorus had. So at higher speeds you get a
unbalanced "wobble" effect that some people might really like, but which
drove me nuts. (I was using chorus in a "Sco band" and needed it to
sound a certain way at higher speeds.)
I've had three Analog Man choruses, the last one stereo, and they were
all gorgeous at lower speeds.
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I had the Analogman Clone Chorus. I thought it was great...gotta get another
one.
The Foxrox TZF Thru-Zero Flanger is the shit....that does everything.
Nobody
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>The TC's problem is that it boosts the treble and cuts the mids slightly which makes it sound thin when trying to use it for
distorted
solos.
The TC is a little bright, I agree...sounds thin-ish.
But why are you using a chorus on distorted solos?
>I've thought about using the TC with some kind of true-bypass setup, perhaps even having it modified for true bypass if
possible...
But it is still gonna sound "thin" to your ears.
>I had high hopes for the fulltone.
So did I...I had one of the first ones, and it sounded okay, but not stellar after I realized it wasn't all that lush.
>The Maxon sounds good for a cheap pedal but it thins the guitar tone too much, boosting the treble and cutting the mids.
Great description...spot on. Maxon chorus pedals aren't all that.
> None of the Boss pedals sound good to me. They are all muddy.
I have a Boss CE-2, made in Japan, and mine doesn't sound "muddy".
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs/BossCE2.JPG
Sounds awesome to my ears, and one of the best out there...s'why I bought it. Doesn't suck tone either when off.
Just MHO.
> The Voodoo labs chorus did not sound good to me. Supposedly it's a clone of the CE-1 but I doubt it.
Don't sound like no CE-1 to my ears.
>I also tried their micro-vibe and it sounded nothing like a real univibe so I suspect their claims about being a CE-1 clone are
marketing ploys...>
I agree.
> I like the sound of the Roland JC-120 chorus which some have said is basically a stereo CE-1 circuit.
The stereo effect of chorus from a JC120 is a beautiful thing.
>In that realm, is the analogman clone chorus similar? Perhaps that's worth checking out?!?>
Ever consider moving up to a Lexicon unit?
> Thanks in advance,
> Jaz
Cool thread. How are you and the boys doing, by the way?
Nobody
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> The thing that makes it annoying to me is that there's a deliberate
> eccentricity in the cycle, which Mike said he did because that's what
> the original Small Stone chorus had. So at higher speeds you get a
> unbalanced "wobble" effect that some people might really like, but which
> drove me nuts.
I know what you mean....I hear stuff too in gear that drives me nuts and makes me not wanna play it if I can't fix it or learn to
use it's flaws musically.
Hey...if we ever jam or whatever...I'll bring my Mesa head and little pedalboard ( with the CE-2 I got )...you can tell me what you
think of it..a POS or a damn excellent sounding rig. If not, no big deal.
Chris
have found (clearer than the CE2). With a strat, it sounds incredible.
Chris
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Keith Freeman
rotating speaker/horn? A Rotary Wave or Motion Sound, for instance.
-Keith
Ross M Stites
>I picked up an old Ibanez CS9 and this is the best sounding chorus pedal I
>have found (clearer than the CE2). With a strat, it sounds incredible.
I'd agree that the old CS9 is a very nice analog pedal. I used one for
several years. Right now I'm using a Pearl Analog Chorus and also really
like it. Both of these may be worth checking out if you can track them
down. Both are long out of production, but they both are relatively
inexpensive on the used market, so easy to buy-n-try if nothing else.
Ross
miker
> have found (clearer than the CE2). With a strat, it sounds incredible.
I have an Ibanez SC10, that's one more. :)
Seriously, I liked it enough to buy a second one off ebay. I haven't tried a
lot of chorus pedals but I did play all the Boss variants and this Ibanez
seemed a lot more versatile. It does seem to add some edge, maybe it will
sound thin to you, dunno.
CPAviator
digital (I gave it to my son who still has it), the Rockman rack chorus is
wet & organic sounding but its that short rack size (you might set on top of
your amp). The Analogman Chorus is superb - wet, swirly, and organic with
lots of depth and richness to the sound - thats the one I kept.
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Ross M Stites
>> I picked up an old Ibanez CS9 and this is the best sounding chorus pedal I
>> have found (clearer than the CE2). With a strat, it sounds incredible.
>I have an Ibanez SC10, that's one more. :)
Mine goes to 11.
L. Fiorillo
the TC, some Boss', and a Way Huge Blue Hippo. The Way Huge was hands down
the best - it didnt thin out the tone at all. I didnt get it because it
wasnt stereo, but I regret that decision. If you can find one, I'd suggest
checking it out.
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Clyde Spillenger
care for the analogman clone chorus because it was too thick. A few
months ago I got a vintage Ibanez CS-505 from the late 1970s and I
think you might like it. It has a more subtle vibe than even the CS-9
and it's better than the Maxon (which I also think is pretty good). I
like it for light chorus, it sounds good on Scofield type stuff and
works well with overdrive. The old CS-505s have not gotten expensive
like TS-808s -- I got mine for $70 -- but you have to hunt them down.
The downside about the CS-505 is that it's an 18-volt pedal, requiring
two batteries. Also the AC jack uses a miniplug and the stock AC
adapter is impossible to find. I use my in a pedalboard with a Pedal
Power II unit and Voodoo Labs made me a cable with two plugs so I can
run the CS-505 to two inputs on the Pedal Power.
Clyde
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> Jack, I seem to remember that you previously posted that you didn't
> care for the analogman clone chorus because it was too thick.
That wasn't me. I've never heard the analog-man chorus pedal.
Thanks for the tip on the Ibanez. The maxon boosts the treble too much.
Jaz
Greger Hoel
wrote:
>I'm still looking. I've owned the Fulltone Choralflange and the TC
>Chorus, Boss CH-1, CE-2, CE-3, CE-20 Maxon 505, Voodoo Labs etc. None
>seem to really give me what I'm looking for though the TC is the
>closest.
>
>The TC's problem is that it boosts the treble and cuts the mids
>slightly which makes it sound thin when trying to use it for distorted
>solos. Additionally, the non-true bypass in the TC is less than
>stellar. It seems that it's still cutting the mids even in bypass
>mode. However, it's actual chorus tone is exactly what I'm looking for
>in a clean tone chorus... I've thought about using the TC with some
>kind of true-bypass setup, perhaps even having it modified for true
>bypass if possible...
That should be a relatively simple job for a decent soldermonkey.
You've prolly tried this already, but another thnig you could try to
preserve the integrity of your clean sound is place the chorus in a
parallell FX-loop, running it totally wet and then dial in just how
much you need with the amp's mix switch.
If I were to buy a chorus style boxtoday, I'd first try thes Hughes &
Kettner Rotosphere Mk.II You can see specs of it here:
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Eric Johnson thing ? The TC does (I think EJ may use a TC) but he has such
an elaborate pedalboard that I'm sure it's true-bypassed when he's not using
chorus...
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Jack A. Zucker
Listened to the soundclips of the analog-clone chorus and it sounds
amazing...
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Jack A. Zucker
without sounding muddy? Almost all the boss pedals fail this test.
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had a few pedals modified by him and bought the Bicomprossor. Shoot him an
email.
Also, check the reviews at Harmony Central.
Bill
Wasn't that the original principle of the phase shifter? I thought
the chorus was more for a doubling effect, i.e. to make one voice
sound like a chorus of voices.
When was "chorus" first used to describe an effect?
Carlfia
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> Thanks. I'll check into the analogman chorus. Can it get that clean,
bright
> Eric Johnson thing ? The TC does (I think EJ may use a TC) but he has such
> an elaborate pedalboard that I'm sure it's true-bypassed when he's not
using
> chorus...
EJ only uses chorus on his clean amps and it's always on.
CyberSerf
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I get great results from the Boss PS5...a pitch shifter... set to detune.
That is my favorite chorus sound right now, and I have used the TC for
years. It has a similar effect without the brightness. Might be worth a
try.
Joe
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Jack, have you tried the Ibanez RC99 Rotary Chorus? I also have an old ADA
Flanger that can do some really good chorusing effects. Its probably one of
the most versitle pedals I own. Also I'll probably get flamed for this but
the chorus in the ADA MP-1 is similar to the JC-120 (I own a JC-120). Hope
tis helps
-Jared
David Eidelberg
recently tried a choralflange and sold it in a few days. I've owned boss
pedals, DODs, Ibanez and several others looking for the right chorus.
I found the answer in the Line6 modulation modeler. No joke. The CE-1
model is EXACTLY what I've been looking for. Plus it's true bypass. Plus
it has lots of other great modulation sounds and with an expression pedal
hooked up, you can get wonderful versatility.
Look for a used one in the $150 range with the AC adapter. Or just try one
in a store and see what you think. At least give it a try. :)
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David Eidelberg
I had one of those too. It's been a long list...
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Worked wonders for guys like Steve Lukather.
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> >>But why are you using a chorus on distorted solos? <<
>
> Worked wonders for guys like Steve Lukather.
Any examples I might know?
David Eidelberg
you something...you've got ME sold on one. <G>
LOL!
Come to think of it, I'm prolly going to eventually buy all of
the Line6 modeler pedals. <<
I also use the delay modeler, but more for its versatility than anything.
But I couldn't hang with the distortion modeler. and I haven't tried the
filter modeler or the amp modeler.
I set my modulation modeler for chorus/leslie/phase shifter/tremelo
Charlie Escher
> I like the sound of the Roland JC-120 chorus which some have said is
> basically a stereo CE-1 circuit.
I don't think that's right. At least, on the JC-120s I worked on long
ago, the chorus was mono, IIRC. One dry channel, one effected.
.cE
Richard
> [...Line6 MM4 Modulation Modeler...]
I'm using batteries instead of pedalboard power supplies--just like it
better. Any idea how long a nice set of alkalines last in the MM4?
Mike McKernan
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>
> I found the answer in the Line6 modulation modeler. No joke.
Hey David, how long have you had yours? I got interested and checked the H-C
reviews. While I don't normally put too much credence in these, there seemed
to be several DOA stories and a bunch of guys saying "mine dropped dead when
the warrantee gave out".
Jack A. Zucker
digital modeling. I really love the DG Stomp except for a few bugs...If it
had foot-switchable bypass, I'd probably use it for several effects...
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gigged a lot.
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Kate Ebneter
> On Tue, 27 May 2003 14:38:41 GMT, Keith Freeman
> <freeke...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Have you thought of going back to the original principle of the chorus, the
>>rotating speaker/horn? A Rotary Wave or Motion Sound, for instance.
>
> the chorus was more for a doubling effect, i.e. to make one voice
> sound like a chorus of voices.
It's usually both doubled and slightly detuned.
> When was "chorus" first used to describe an effect?
I think "chorus" was first used by Roland with the Jazz Chorus amp,
then by Boss (also Roland, of course) with the CE-1, which is
basically the chorus unit out of the Jazz Chorus amp.
Kate Ebneter
Collector of Noise Toys
Kate Ebneter
> I like the sound of the Roland JC-120 chorus which some have said is
> basically a stereo CE-1 circuit.
Last time I looked, the CE-1 was stereo. You might just want to hunt up
one of them, big as they are. They're not THAT expensive, really.
You might also try the Boss DC-2 and/or DC-3. A couple of other
possibilities I haven't seen mentioned yet in this thread would be
the Carl Martin XII, which is similar in some respects to the t.c.,
or the Ibanez BC9.
Don Evans
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> Jack A. Zucker wrote:
>
> > I like the sound of the Roland JC-120 chorus which some have said is
> > basically a stereo CE-1 circuit.
>
> Last time I looked, the CE-1 was stereo. You might just want to hunt up
> one of them, big as they are. They're not THAT expensive, really.
IIRC the CE-1 "stereo" was one effected channel and one dry. The "wet"
channel was pitch shifted with oscillation ... sounded really strange alone.
I always liked the CE-2 better. As others have said, the old Ibanez (the
pink one) was kinda like a cleaner sounding CE-2. I'm getting interested in
the Analog-Man chorus.
Don
Kerry Maxwell
"Clyde Spillenger" <spil...@law.ucla.edu> wrote in message
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> Jack, I seem to remember that you previously posted that you didn't
> care for the analogman clone chorus because it was too thick. A few
> months ago I got a vintage Ibanez CS-505 from the late 1970s and I
> think you might like it. It has a more subtle vibe than even the CS-9
> and it's better than the Maxon (which I also think is pretty good). I
> like it for light chorus, it sounds good on Scofield type stuff and
> works well with overdrive. The old CS-505s have not gotten expensive
> like TS-808s -- I got mine for $70 -- but you have to hunt them down.
> The downside about the CS-505 is that it's an 18-volt pedal, requiring
> two batteries. Also the AC jack uses a miniplug and the stock AC
> adapter is impossible to find. I use my in a pedalboard with a Pedal
> Power II unit and Voodoo Labs made me a cable with two plugs so I can
> run the CS-505 to two inputs on the Pedal Power.
>
I have been using my CS-505 since the mid 80's and I was hoping the
Maxon reissue was an exact sonic replica in case my Ibanez gives up the
ghost. Judging from reports of boosted treble frequencies, it doesn't
sound like it though. The original 505 is nicely balanced and warm with
a slight overall volume boost. You can hit the input pretty hard with no
adverse effects and it sounds gorgeous in stereo ( though I haven't used
it in stereo for many years).
Kerry M
Clyde Spillenger
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> > Jack, I seem to remember that you previously posted that you didn't
> > care for the analogman clone chorus because it was too thick.
>
> That wasn't me. I've never heard the analog-man chorus pedal.
>
> Thanks for the tip on the Ibanez. The maxon boosts the treble too much.
>
> Jaz
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Chorus was used tp describe an effect way back in July '69 with the
introduction of the Univox Univibe.
Richard
There's probably a little variance in the Maxon units. I've had two of
them, and use one now, and didn't notice a treble boost but did notice
some attenuation of lower frequencies. This produces a "clarity" to the
effect that makes it good for clean sounds.
I've never played through an original 505, and can't compare them.
For the price and its footprint, it's a good chorus. As I've said, my
favorite is the Analog Man--although I'll check out a Line6 MM4 before I
buy another A-Man.
For running distortion through a chorus, it's been pretty hard to beat
the chorus in a JC-120. I've had three Boss CE-2s, and I have to agree
with those who thought they tended to be muddy. Scott Henderson uses
one, though, and his doesn't sound muddy, so--as is true with every
other effect--the overall rig a given effect is placed in is everything.
JP
I havent read all the above posts so sorry if i say nothing new.
It's been my hunt for a good chorus sound since starting.
The best i had was a tc chours pedal..which i still have...kind of.
For a time there, i was pretty happy with the results i got from a digital
delay rack..it was a Roland..where i set up a number of presets with
different variations of the delay...set to some millisec setting (and vary
the delay volume and decay)...cant remember what that was..used to get good
flanging setting s like that as well.... But i had a number of choruses
settings becuase different songs would require different choruses.
Especially when recording when you would get all so critical..and
frankly...i think sometimes TOO inside to be objective anymore.
Then back to the TC.
When the ensoniq DP4 came out i had a couple...one in my little home studio
of the time...and another in my guitar rack...cause i then figured i couldnt
live without the setting i had made in it...it had a 8 voice chorus that was
just so fat.
But...i dont know hwat happened....i got sick of it....and i went back to
the TC.
About 3 years ago at a horrible gig backing some cabaret artist...a dancer
on making her stage exit walked across my setup and stepped on the edge of
the TC.
It bent the power supply connection into the pedal....Since then it has
never been the same...crackles...intermittant...basically fucked.
Im now using a Boss...a pedal ive had for about 20 years! And everytime i
use it i think to myself...got to fix that bloddy TC.
Of course the best chorus sounds i think are those when you split the signal
and run two amps.
Thats my rant Jack. Hope your well...John
Keith Freeman
Hammond and the Leslie speaker, though the latter was referred to as
"chorale". I think the B3 in the fifties came equipped with a "chorus"
which certainly sounds like a guitar chorus to my ear.
-Keith
Valvemaster
is currently offered.The SV-1,i A-B´d it along side the Boss
offerings,and it sounded "better".-The Bosses sounded to confined,to
limited.With the Supervibe,you can do some impressive Leslie
simulations.
-Patrik.
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Reading all this.
I believe an ultimate chorus PEDAL does not exist. The effect has to be
placed between pre and poweramp.
Try a Yamaha SPX90 in pitchshift mode as used by mike stern
(www.mikestern.org)
I myself use a Boss SE50 multi effectprocessor in this mode. The effect is
best discribed the moment you turn it....off!
Keep it up!
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<tsender{antispam]@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Well Peepz,
>
>Reading all this.
>I believe an ultimate chorus PEDAL does not exist. The effect has to be
>placed between pre and poweramp.
>Try a Yamaha SPX90 in pitchshift mode as used by mike stern
>(www.mikestern.org)
>I myself use a Boss SE50 multi effectprocessor in this mode. The effect is
>best discribed the moment you turn it....off!
One of my favorite rackmount boxes for chorus is a Yamaha VP70. It
was designed to be a voice processor for doing automatic harmony and
vocoder effects. It doesn't really do that stuff too well, but it
does have four pitch shifters in it that can be panned in stereo. If
you set them for four different slight pitch shifts, two sharp and two
flat, and mix them with the centered dry signal, it creates a huge
chorus effect.
Michael
the tc electronic G-Major in the FX loop of my Pearce G2r. The whole
rig is stereo, into a stereo 4X12 cabinet. After some tweaking, it
sounds really great when used sparingly. Better than any actual pedal
I've ever used.
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Mark Bratcher
> Bill wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 May 2003 14:38:41 GMT, Keith Freeman
>> <freeke...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>>
>> Wasn't that the original principle of the phase shifter? I thought
>> the chorus was more for a doubling effect, i.e. to make one voice
>> sound like a chorus of voices.
>
> It's usually both doubled and slightly detuned.
And the detuning is modulated at a selected rate,
which distinguishes it from just a "detune" effect.
>
>> When was "chorus" first used to describe an effect?
>
[snip]
Stratoblaster
"miker" <miker4n...@mindnospamokspring.com> kirjoitti
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> > I picked up an old Ibanez CS9 and this is the best sounding chorus pedal
I
> > have found (clearer than the CE2). With a strat, it sounds incredible.
>
> I have an Ibanez SC10, that's one more. :)
>
a
> lot of chorus pedals but I did play all the Boss variants and this Ibanez
> seemed a lot more versatile. It does seem to add some edge, maybe it will
> sound thin to you, dunno.
I have an Ibanez CS-505 and it sounds great. It needs 18V (two 9V batteries,
I use Dunlop's DC Brick) and the wise men say that's the secret --> better
signal --> better sound.
-sb
Steve
have one in my pedalboard. I also have an older one in my acoustic setup. The
older one sounds a bit warmer.
SEFSTRAT
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band webpage: www.timebanditsrock.com
drumguy1384
effects processors in his current rig. (along with a TON of other stuff ...
and a custom pedal interface for all of it)
http://www.johnpetrucci.com/equipment.html
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> John Petrucci uses an M2000, an M3000, and a pair of 2290 T.C. Electronics
> effects processors in his current rig. (along with a TON of other stuff ...
> and a custom pedal interface for all of it)
>
> http://www.johnpetrucci.com/equipment.html
Cool link...thanks.
drumguy1384
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> drumguy1384 <dru...@nospam.eatme> wrote in article
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> > John Petrucci uses an M2000, an M3000, and a pair of 2290 T.C.
Electronics
> > effects processors in his current rig. (along with a TON of other stuff
...
> > and a custom pedal interface for all of it)
> >
> > http://www.johnpetrucci.com/equipment.html
>
> Cool link...thanks.
>
hehe ... thanks.
BTW, if you look close at the "Pedals in back of rack" pic you'll see ...
ahh ... what? ... a Phase 90! Well, whoda thunk it!
Skip Moy
Maybe bring some of these points up with the fulltone designers and see if
they are receptive.
It a shot in the dark, but maybe ....
Skip
"Jack A. Zucker" <j...@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
> I like the sound of the Roland JC-120 chorus which some have said is
Mondoslug1
I've tried almost all of those you've mentioned & I dunno man IMO
...........all chorus' sound like shit unless they're in stereo. I'm talking
about the generic slow chorus sound, not the speeded up warble which I think
can sound decent mono.
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Mondoslug1
>>I've tried almost all of those you've mentioned & I dunno man IMO
>>...........all chorus' sound like shit unless they're in stereo. I'm talking
>>about the generic slow chorus sound, not the speeded up warble which I think
>>can sound decent mono.
>
>Andy,
>
> You impress upon me as somebody who's got a good ear - and yet
>isn't impossible to please. What is YOUR personal favorite chorus
>pedal? (Price and availability is no issue here).
Well I dunno about that but glad you think so. But as long as you're asking.
hahahaha..........
I really don't know. I've gotten away from using chorus live. I had the
venerable TC in my pedalboard for a long time. It sounded okay. I had trouble
with noise from it & as Jack says I think it killed my tone some when
"bypassed". I know, I know it's supposed to be the cleanest & we all hear
different stuff.........and I heard stuff. The Carl Martin is nice sounding.
Both pricey. Again I don't care for any of them in mono too much & who goes
stereo these days, at least live I don't although it's fun. I guess those 2
sound decent mono as far as mono chorus goes. The Boss Dimension C, never owned
one but they sound good I think. Fuller's thing didn't knock me out. I had some
spendy rack stuff I thought sounded great but that was in a rack & stereo. The
TC 1210 of course(but it sounded bad in front of a mono amp I thought) & a
Bradshaw modded rack mounted CE-1 which was way cool, very phat. I dunno on the
Line 6 Mod pro or pedal. I'm not crazy about them but they do alot. Like their
delay a whole lot - but you didn't ask that.
Again I have the cheezy Arion Stereo Chorus but I use it for a fast warble
thing & it sounds great & they're only like 30 bucks or so. It's a plastic POS
& no doubt robs your tone when not on but I don't care. It sounds great, really
cool piece. Highly recommend for the fast spin & if you hate it you're not out
much. I think Landau, Henderson & all those type faigs use them. It's a cool
pedal, getchu one. And if you slow it down to normal chorus, not too bad in
stereo but I don't do that. So I didn't answer the question much. I haven't
screwed with chorus in a while. Maybe I should.
>
>
>
>
>Atlas
Road Warrior
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> I really don't know. I've gotten away from using chorus live.
Me too, till recently..
>The Boss Dimension C, never owned
> one but they sound good I think.
That thing reminds me more of a pitch shifter in a pedal... Nice sound
though.
>I dunno on the
> Line 6 Mod pro or pedal. I'm not crazy about them but they do alot.
That's what I use live... It's got some great chorus sounds, and supposed to
be true bypass. I don't believe it for a minute though. I can hear stuff
when it's in the path and not being used (which is most of the time)... but
it has a decent vibe and phaser as well. Great pedal for the money. When
it's live, no one knows but us anyway. Chorus was SO over used in the '80's
that I got sick of them and I really dislike what chorus does to lead
sounds. Had enough chorus to last me the rest of my life. Indeed.
Mondoslug1
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>
>On 01 Jun 2003 13:58:15 GMT, mondo...@aol.com (Mondoslug1) wrote:
>
>>Well I dunno about that but glad you think so. But as long as you're asking.
>>hahahaha..........
>>
>>I really don't know. I've gotten away from using chorus live. I had the
>>venerable TC in my pedalboard for a long time. It sounded okay. I had
>trouble
>>with noise from it & as Jack says I think it killed my tone some when
>>"bypassed". I know, I know it's supposed to be the cleanest & we all hear
>>different stuff.........and I heard stuff.
>
> That's the one I have. Bought it around '87 or so...and it
>still sounds and works just fine.
>
>>The Carl Martin is nice sounding.
>>Both pricey. Again I don't care for any of them in mono too much & who goes
>>stereo these days, at least live I don't although it's fun.
>
> I'm just using a cheap transistor amp these days (the 10 watt
>Trademark 10). Actually sounds pretty good...and is cheap enought
>that I could buy a second one, and play in stereo. ;)
>
>> I guess those 2
>>sound decent mono as far as mono chorus goes. The Boss Dimension C, never
>owned
>>one but they sound good I think.
>
> There was a lot of buzz on the street about them about a year
>ago. I don't know if they hype remains.
>
>>Fuller's thing didn't knock me out. I had some
>>spendy rack stuff I thought sounded great but that was in a rack & stereo.
>The
>>TC 1210 of course(but it sounded bad in front of a mono amp I thought) & a
>>Bradshaw modded rack mounted CE-1 which was way cool, very phat. I dunno on
>the
>>Line 6 Mod pro or pedal. I'm not crazy about them but they do alot. Like
>their
>>delay a whole lot - but you didn't ask that.
>
> My place is a no-rack zone. So that leaves the TC1210 out.
>;)
>
>> Again I have the cheezy Arion Stereo Chorus but I use it for a fast warble
>>thing & it sounds great & they're only like 30 bucks or so. It's a plastic
>POS
>>& no doubt robs your tone when not on but I don't care. It sounds great,
>really
>>cool piece. Highly recommend for the fast spin & if you hate it you're not
>out
>>much. I think Landau, Henderson & all those type faigs use them. It's a cool
>>pedal, getchu one. And if you slow it down to normal chorus, not too bad in
>>stereo but I don't do that. So I didn't answer the question much. I haven't
>>screwed with chorus in a while. Maybe I should.
>
> I've never dabbled in the fast chorus warble thingie. Never
>really appealed to me.
Understandable. For me it's more as an effect like put it on the chorus licks,
kind of makes it stick out, but not a warm & fuzzy sound to all. can be
overdone for sure.
Actually, a couple of years ago, I started
>getting really sick of the whole chorus effect (after Mike Stern and
>the other modern jazzers overused it).
>
Yeah I don't understand that. It's such a
dated sound but again I guess that's his sound or something.
Jack A. Zucker
anymore...I agree it's a dated sound.
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David Brief
circuits with a bit of fixed phase shift for an incredibly spatial
sound, especially when used in stereo. No mud to be found, and IMO a
clear step up from the t.c. sound. There's much less of the LFO sine
wave sound that one hears in traditional chorus pedals -- much more
like the pitch detune effect others have praised.
The CE-2 sounds great for what it does, but there is a deliberate mid
boost in the circuit that makes it muddy in some rigs, especially when
using thick distortion. Robert Keeley offers a CE-2 mod that makes the
unit a little more "hi-fi" sounding without losing the trademark
richness. Perhaps Mr. Keeley could tweak his basic mod to tone down
the built-in mid boost, which might be a very good thing.
I agree with the previous comments on the Voodoo Lab unit. It has a
prominent low/mid boost and the effected level is so much higher than
the bypass volume that I found it unusable.
If you don't mind taking out a home equity loan, the Way Huge is a
great unit that nails that middle ground between the too-thin shimmer
of the t.c. and the too-thick swirl of the CE-2. The Way Huge pedal
has internal trimpots that can be tweaked to taste, though one must be
careful because it can be made to sound bad.
Finally, the new Sweet Sound Mojo Vibe is an incredible univibe clone
that provides a beautiful chorus sound at less extreme settings. The
Option 5 Destination Rotation also gets a very nice chorus sound
through its rotary speaker simulation circuitry.
- DB
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completely different (and wonderful) kind of effect but it's not
interchangeable with a standard chorus unit in that by design it's a more
grungy type of effect.
The best chorus I've heard is the DLS Ultra Chorus.
Jaz
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