How 'bout Niel Young's Live Hey Hey, My
My? It really sucks, but it's really cool.
Dave
"All in all it's been pretty neat. That's more than most people can ask outta
life."
-Jerry Garcia
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>
> In your opinion,what is the worst guitar solo ever recorded and why?I will
The solo in the song "Heart Shaped Box" by Nirvana... I like the song
and all he has to do is play the melody of the song (Like he did in Teen
Spirit..) for the solo and it would be good. But nooo.. He fucks around
and screws the song up.
Outt..
Jeff.
Jay
--
J. Verkuilen ja...@uiuc.edu
"Man has such a predilection for systems and abstract deductions that he is
ready to distort the truth intentionally, he is ready to deny the evidence of
his senses only to justify his logic." - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
For me, a real teeth-grinder has always been the solo in "Hot-Blooded," by
Foreigner; it always seemed to me that Mick'd been sippin' some Bahama Mamas
and then did a line or two before he laid that stankin' turd down and went,
"Blimey - that's THE ONE."
Reasons: Blurry, lacks focus, sounds like a child who has discovered a
fuzztone.
Heh. I would agree with that one. Interestingly enough, I was recently treated
to a Foreigner show down in Atlantic City. Grubbed good, drank on the house,
they comp'd just about everything. Foreigner really put on a good one that night,
I hope they've done the same everywhere. Came time fer that one, and I got ready
to cringe at whatever he'd do, but he blew a real nice one over it. It was good.
Lou was very nice to us afterwards, didn't get to talk to Mick though.
--
rct
The opinions above are mine and mine alone.
Greg Gamble wrote:
> Ive thought about it and I would have to put Neil Geraldos" uneventful
> string-together of trashy little licks into one scale over 12 bars" bit,from
> Hit Me With Your Best Shot amongst the bottom of the barrel.IMO,that song
> needed something that flowed over the changes,not something that hacked away
> at them.
hahah! thass funny
no wait... my band plays that one.... and the singer really liked the solo and
requested I learn it note for note.... so i did....
howl
:::let the flames begin::::
Steve (SEFSTRAT)
webpage: http://members.aol.com/sefstrat/index.html/sefpage.html
The solo that really made me stop and think "what the hell was that!!" is
the solo from Blue Rodeo ,5 days in May. It starts off alright and then they
must have handed the guitar to the drummer and let him finish the solo.
Oh wait..... anything that Willie Nelson solos on!!! That's gotta be it!!!
Jay S
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-Bucky
Neil Young. Cinammon Girl.
:::let the flames begin::::
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Well almost. While Young is probably the all time worst soloist in the
history of the electric guitar, he's done much worse ones than the CG
solo.
>Oh wait..... anything that Willie Nelson solos on!!! That's gotta be it!!!
Them's fightin' words. :-) You got a problem with someone who can
actually play a melody? :-)
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Mike Schway wrote:
> Them's fightin' words. :-)
welcome to the neighborhood.
see DanStanley in the corner for yer spandex flak helmet.
try the swedish herring buffet.
good chiropractors in abundance.
need a good lawyer?
go somewhere else.
I love that solo. No, really!
Dan
You're just jaded because you can't play it.
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Not unless I take 5 strings off the guitar...
:-)
Matt
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Boy, you folks love to hate Neil Young, and I just love him;haven't y'all ever
jammed "Down By the River" or "Southern Man" or played any of his acoustic
songs-the guy has a style unto himself... sorry but I had to come to Neil's
aid!
My answer to the "worst solo" question would have to Jimmy Page for that
dreadful Paul Rodgers/l Firm song "Radioactive" - the riff, the tone, the
lead.....funny, he also gets my vote for some of the best solos (Dazed and
Confused, Heartbreaker, Stairway...) Joe C
That's not a solo.
Common misconception: Cinammon Girl solo only requires one string.
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-- Don "Don Put" Put
Jay S wrote:
>
> I'd pick almost anything that Neil Young played on....
>
> The solo that really made me stop and think "what the hell was that!!" is
> the solo from Blue Rodeo ,5 days in May. It starts off alright and then they
> must have handed the guitar to the drummer and let him finish the solo.
>
> Oh wait..... anything that Willie Nelson solos on!!! That's gotta be it!!!
>
Boxcar Willie. Now fork off.
> Jay S
>
> Greg Gamble <gregg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8t26fk$16ao$1...@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > In your opinion,what is the worst guitar solo ever recorded and why?I will
> > give my answer at a later time.Have to get back to the bait store.
> >
> >
I think that solo would sound better with NO strings...
I like lots of his stuff, especially the acoustic songwriting...I just hate
that one solo a ton.
Mike said:
>
>That's not a solo.
I agree completely!
>>Common misconception: Cinammon Girl solo only requires one string.
>
>I think that solo would sound better with NO strings...
90% of the people out there share your opinion.
lee
The interview appeared in Guitar Player. It's also the interview in which
Mr. Knopfler adamantly refused to admit that he was influenced
greatly by Robbie Robertson and Richard Thompson, even though the
evidence is abundant...
JMK
>
>Greg Gamble wrote in message
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>>
>>In your opinion,what is the worst guitar solo ever recorded and why?I will
>>give my answer at a later time.Have to get back to the bait store.
>>
>>
>
>
"When I see the glory,
I ain't gonna worry...."
Television - "Glory"
(remove "nospam" to email)
Keef on Sympathy for the Devil. It hurts, Mommy, it hurts!!
Stiiv
>>
You jusy reminded me of the out-of-tune, horrible solo on "time is on my side",
as well. Yuk.
lee>>
Actually, he CAN really play that nylon-string, when he wants to.
As well as the out-of-tune, horrble vocals.
Check out the original by Irma Thomas, it's great.
I've always loved Willie's leads. Bluesy Tex-Mex Western Swing, on a nylon
string guitar... how cool is that?
Dan
Agreed.
I saw a special on the tube where he and Johnny Cash were taking turns
on their songs, with the other backing them up.
Willie broke a string on his classical, so Johnny handed him a brand
spanking new black Collings dread that he had just gotten.
He played an instrumental (I've forgotten which tune it was),
and it was a fine example of solo acoustic work, with some tasty single
note fills.
When he handed the Collings back to Johnny, Johnny said,
"I've had this guitar for a month, but that's the first time it's ever
been played".
Bob Dorgan
Dave
His guitar playing is an essential part of his sound. The
overall package is cool and has made him a lot of money.
He's not going to win any guitar competitions. Heck, he
doesn't need to, he's Niel Young. Cheesey to the MAX.
Just like it should be.
Dave
I always loved that solo!!!!
--
Jeff
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>
> Mike Healy
>
> he...@nosc.mil
>
-Bucky
Matt Kelly wrote:
> I was reading an interview with Mark Knopfler the other day, in which he
> talked about the song "Private Dancer" that he wrote for Tina Turner (the
> interview was at www.knopfler.net, but i forget which article). Jeff Beck
> plays a solo on the song that Knopfler described as "the second ugliest solo
> you ever heard." This remark made me rather curious, so I obtained a copy
> of the album "Private Dancer" and listened to the song....He was right, only
> I'd rate it as the first ugliest solo I ever heard. Certainly not up to par
> with the rest of Mr. Beck's work.
>
> Matt
>
Does that album have "Steel Claw" on it? That's first rate Becking on that
toon.
Rob
"Freakband" <frea...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>As well as the out-of-tune, horrble vocals.
>
" Time is on My Side" is out of tune, but the Stones were really trying to play
serious straight blues on that one... The organ/ guitar intro on that tune is,
least to me, very raw and emotional; as for "Sympathy" - leave that solo
alone!!-it is "an icepick to the forehead" one for sure, but classic ...That
song is often the "Las Call" song my band plays when everyone in the bar is
pretty wasted and we jam it out-most of the soloing I try to do is along the
lines of the smokey overdrivenR&B Mick Taylor-style, but sometimes I try to
end solo with Keith's solo note for note-its just fun.. OK, I love the Stones
Joe C
Steve wrote:
> Not unless I take 5 strings off the guitar...
>
go one more and we'll all be a lot happier.
Chiogtr4x wrote:
> -most of the soloing I try to do is along the
> lines of the smokey overdrivenR&B Mick Taylor-style, but sometimes I try to
> end solo with Keith's solo note for note-its just fun..
actually that Mick Taylor descending double stop line, from get Yer Ya Yas Out, is
great fun to play.
Ritualee wrote:
> hey! i'm not real up on my willie nelson catalog, but i heard him play a solo
> on TV and i was really impressed. i'm being completely, utterly serious.
>
and, you GOTTA love that cavernous hole in the body.
OF HIS GUITAR.
hmmmffff.
> I've always loved Willie's leads. Bluesy Tex-Mex Western Swing, on a nylon
> string guitar... how cool is that?
I wouldn't mind so much if he would at least
play sort of near the beat every now and then.
Alec
John F. is a great player- the guitar playing (all rhythm no solo) on Under the
Bridge is beautiful.How can you not like the funk of songs like Californication
or Around the World ? His studio solos are kinda sparse and edgy, but they work
great with the Peppers. Dave Navarro's stuff kicked ass also if even just for
the one album.
> Not unless I take 5 strings off the guitar...
>
Howl said:
go one more and we'll all be a lot happier>>
I could. Singing alone'd get me plenty of gigs.
But it's sad to know that I can make you unhappy by simply stringing a guitar.
Fragile, are ya?
But that is... The Willie Way.
>"Dan Stanley" <stan...@tiac.net> writes:
>
>> I've always loved Willie's leads. Bluesy Tex-Mex Western Swing, on a
>> nylon
>> string guitar... how cool is that?
>
>I wouldn't mind so much if he would at least
>play sort of near the beat every now and then.
>
>
>Alec
I really like Willie's laying behind the beat. His singing also seems
to be consistently about a thirty-second note late. It's all part of
Williedom. Sort of a musical implementation of a slow Texas drawl.
You should hear Erroll Garner's piano playing sometime. Left hand is
always right ON the beat, right hand is all over the place.
--Mike Schway
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> The interview appeared in Guitar Player. It's also the interview in which
> Mr. Knopfler adamantly refused to admit that he was influenced
> greatly by Robbie Robertson and Richard Thompson, even though the
> evidence is abundant...
Ain't that the truth. I liked Knopfler until I read that.
Chris
Ritualee wrote:
>
> hey! i'm not real up on my willie nelson catalog, but i heard him play a solo
> on TV and i was really impressed. i'm being completely, utterly serious.
>
Willie's a fine guitar player. For real. Yes, everything is very stylized, but
it's good stuff. The timing on the octave stuff on "Whisky River" is pretty out
there. Very much supports the statement of the song.
> lee
Bob Dorgan wrote:
>
> Steve wrote:
> >
> > <<hey! i'm not real up on my willie nelson catalog, but i heard him play a
> > solo
> > on TV and i was really impressed. i'm being completely, utterly serious.
> >
> > lee>>
> >
> > Actually, he CAN really play that nylon-string, when he wants to.
> >
>
> Agreed.
> I saw a special on the tube where he and Johnny Cash were taking turns
> on their songs, with the other backing them up.
> Willie broke a string on his classical, so Johnny handed him a brand
> spanking new black Collings dread that he had just gotten.
> He played an instrumental (I've forgotten which tune it was),
> and it was a fine example of solo acoustic work, with some tasty single
> note fills.
> When he handed the Collings back to Johnny, Johnny said,
> "I've had this guitar for a month, but that's the first time it's ever
> been played".
Those guys always know exactly what to say. That's a cool line. Wish I'd have
seen that.
> Bob Dorgan
Sure.... maybe in Sly and the Family Stone cover bands. Better start growin
that afro.....
Sure.... maybe in Sly and the Family Stone cover bands. Better start growin
that afro...>>>
Only a guitarist would think that way. A MUSICIAN, however, knows better.
Hint: the audience is loking at the lead singer, not the guy with the guitar.
Allan
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"Greg Gamble" <gregg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> In your opinion,what is the worst guitar solo ever recorded and why?I
will
> give my answer at a later time.Have to get back to the bait store.
>
>
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Before you buy.
Sorry, but it's not very hard to believe he wasn't influenced by Robertson.
I will concede that they have stylistic similarities, but why does that mean
one directly influenced the other? Similarities in playing don't
necessarily mean one player directly influenced the other. Knopfler could
very well have some of the same influences as Robertson without having
actually taken things directly from Robertson himself. From what I've read,
I have a hard time believing he wouldn't give Robertson credit if he thought
Robertson was a big influence. I'm a fan of Robbie Robertson too, but I
think you guys are being pretty unfair to Knopfler.
Matt
Actually, you make a lot of us happy. Boosts our egos to
hear you play.
..Giri
No.... Anyone who's heard your voice would think that way.
Rob
> Hint: the audience is loking at the lead singer, not the guy with the
guitar.
>
In your case, the audience is looking at the newspaper while they drink
their coffee.
> I like lots of his stuff, especially the acoustic songwriting...I just hate
> that one solo a ton.
Can someone post the TAB to that solo ?
Tom
Joe Cocker's "She Came In Through The Bathroom Window". Some guitarist
goes for the note and flies right past it. Great moment in sloppy r&r
history.
Eh?
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I believe that the Cinnamon Girl solo is best left up to the
individual player's interpretation. I encourage you to explore the
depths of it's minimalism, and seek out the meaning of each and every
pause.
No.... Anyone who's heard your voice would think that way.
Rob>>
And you are paid for your singing?
Ahhh. Uh-huh.
Cooney the idiot said:
>In your case, the audience is looking at the newspaper while they drink
>their coffee.
Actualy, playing to a packed club is fun. But playing to 40 people with just
you and an acoustic is infinitely more difficult.
Probably why you don't do it.
It sounds pretty cool to me. I wouldn't call it a "solo" per se.... rather,
a well placed note.
Rob
On occaision, yes.
Rob
No, I don't do it because I prefer to play for audiences who WANT to hear my
music. I don't feel the need to force my choice of tunes upon a bunch of
poor schlubs who only wanted to get a coffee and could care less about who's
making the background noise.
Rob
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>"Steve" <sefs...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
>news:20001024111806...@ng-ct1.aol.com...
>> Neil Young. Cinammon Girl.
>>
>
>You're just jaded because you can't play it.>>
>
>Not unless I take 5 strings off the guitar...
That won't get you any closer, because you lack the style. Besides, an
electric with only one string has as many as two octaves of notes.
--
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John P Sheehy <jsh...@ix.netcom.com>
><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>><
>>Common misconception: Cinammon Girl solo only requires one string.
>
>I think that solo would sound better with NO strings...
What "solo" are you talking about, exactly? That little rythmic figure
between the verses, or the Native-American style melody at the end of
the song, when all the other instruments have stopped?
>>Steve wrote in message <20001024111806...@ng-ct1.aol.com>...
>>>Neil Young. Cinammon Girl.
>>>
>>>:::let the flames begin::::
>>
>
>Mike said:
>
>>
>>That's not a solo.
>
>I agree completely!
The song sounds great, period. If you have to be a guitarist to know
that something is wrong with it, then maybe guitarists are just full of
shit!
Neil Young oozes with style; something you will never have with your
paint-by-numbers guitar playing that goes over the lines arbitrarily.
Noteez clazz, the subject is deelooshional, theenking zat he eeze thee
only one reading, oont (to our deezmay) posteenk, to theez noose-groop
who hass a payink gig! Also, he beleefs that the gig he has eese goot!
Zo.
Clazz, stoody him weel.
>>
>> Probably why you don't do it.
Cooney the idiot said:
>No, I don't do it because I prefer to play for audiences who WANT to hear my
>music. I don't feel the need to force my choice of tunes upon a bunch of
>poor schlubs who only wanted to get a coffee and could care less about who's
>making the background noise.
Funny how a large percentage of the people are there--no matter where I play.
Nice avoidance. Walk up on a stage. You, an acoustic, a mic. Nothing else.
Nothing to hide behind.
Yeah, I think I know why you don't do it. You talk great from behind a
keyboard, though. Just don't put it all out there. You'll find out what ya
don't have. And, of course, so will everyone else.
Which time? The first note? The 43d?
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Yeah, I shave and bathe.
Cinnamon Girl solo. Style. Hilarious!
The single, repeated, obnoxious note that passes for a solo in that song. In
the middle.
<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<>
John P Sheehy <jsh...@ix.netcom.com>>>
He oozes, all right. On that, we agree.
I think his electric stuff is pretty terrible. I was always surprised that
someone who had written such great acoustic-type tunes could put out such
crapola with a band.
> Nice avoidance. Walk up on a stage. You, an acoustic, a mic. Nothing
else.
> Nothing to hide behind.
You're a broken record, Feder. How many times have you spat the same line at
Carl? How long before you start pestering me to meet you at a health club?
Get some new material.
> Yeah, I think I know why you don't do it.
Because I don't want to.
> You talk great from behind a
> keyboard, though. Just don't put it all out there. You'll find out what
ya
> don't have. And, of course, so will everyone else.
What I don't have is the desire to bore audiences with dry acoustic
material. Maybe when I'm your age my balls will shrivel up and I'll change
my mind.
Rob
That's all that seperates you from a gorilla.
Rob
In article <c4DJ5.221$vb.1...@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>,
"Jeff Liberatore" <jlib...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
> "Mike Healy" <he...@nosc.mil> wrote in message
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> > Grand Funk - Locomotion
>
> I always loved that solo!!!!
>
> --
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>
> >
> > Mike Healy
> >
> > he...@nosc.mil
In message <20001024221955...@ng-fb1.aol.com>,
sefs...@aol.comnospam (Steve) wrote:
>>Steve wrote in message
<20001024111806...@ng-ct1.aol.com>...
>>>Neil Young. Cinammon Girl.
>>>
>>>:::let the flames begin::::
>>
>
>Mike said:
>
>>
>>That's not a solo.
>
>I agree completely!
The song sounds great, period. If you have to be a guitarist to know
that something is wrong with it, then maybe guitarists are just full
of
shit!
Neil Young oozes with style; something you will never have with your
paint-by-numbers guitar playing that goes over the lines arbitrarily.
==========================================================
And what can someone say about a "person" that thinks this is style.
Sheehy, IT'S JUNK.
You're a broken record, Feder. How many times have you spat the same line at
Carl? How long before you start pestering me to meet you at a health club?
Get some new material.>>
Nice answer. But the original statement was:
ice avoidance. Walk up on a stage. You, an acoustic, a mic. Nothing
else.
> Nothing to hide behind.
And you need to change the subject now, don't you?
That's all that seperates you from a gorilla.
Rob>>
In that event, you'd better keep typing. It's all you do. This gorilla would
be happy to meet you with no electronic toys, just a voice and an acoustic
guitar. Come on out to a gig. I'll put you onstage, all by yourself. I'll
even let you go first, so your embarassment before an audience can be forgotten
after you get down and someone who can play and entertain takes your place.
Oh, I forgot. You're not a MUSICIAN. You're an electric guitar player. Sort
of.
That's because you, Mr. Bad Love, have no ear for music.
Really. It's true.
..Giri
I'd like to point out, being the sane voice of reason that I am, that to do
the "Cinnamon Girl" solo right, you need TWO strings.
We now return to the regularly scheduled bickering.
Dan
Not A Speck Of Cereal wrote:
> Clazz, stoody him weel.
>
ver are you gettink dat german ahchsent?
it's pretty obvious SEF thinks all his gigs are better than ours. And hey,
they must be, just listen to Time Bandits. They REWL maaaaaan.
howldog
> ce avoidance. Walk up on a stage. You, an acoustic, a mic. Nothing
> else.
> > Nothing to hide behind.
I've done lots of gigs like that. Yeah it was a long time ago, but I made lots
of "pay the phone bill" cash in college playing the coffeehouses and crap bars
around Chapel Hill. Played lots of 12 string open tuned Kottke stuff, Jethro
Tull, all kinds of things, cant remember a single bit of it now, too long ago. I
dont even own an acoustic guitar now. I saw Kottke once in Tampa and yakked with
him and came home and sold my 12 string. Simply unworthy.
My point is, I dont think it was any harder doing solo acoustic than playing
with a full band. Equipment wise, gear set up, its infintely easier. And as long
as you can half assed sing "Margaritaville" they dont seem to give a shit. You
sure as hell dont have to try to get them to DANCE. Its NOT a "superior" gig.
It's just a different gig.
I don't "hide" behind my big loud obnoxious out of tue electric guitar either. I
put all my balls into each and every song and solo, good or bad. In fact,
playing with a full band is sometimes MORE difficult, because you have to react
quickly to cues, and miscues, from the other players.
howldog
Steve wrote:
> Oh, I forgot. You're not a MUSICIAN.
oh. and I suppose you ARE.
~*MojoBlues*~ wrote:
> It sounds pretty cool to me. I wouldn't call it a "solo" per se.... rather,
> a well placed note.
>
we used to play that song all the time. It's a kewl tune. the riffs are real
fun to play in that dropped D thing. the solo, fuck it, I seldom bother
learning any solos anyway, unless requested to do so, so I'd just blow thru it
in my on patented trailer clammage way.
Maybe it is the worst solo ever recorded. I dunno. Thats kinda a weird thing to
wonder about , however, for those interested in some really funny stuff, go
here:
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/top/solos/
lots of you guys have seen this, so pardon the intrusion. Its a really funny
rant about the worst guitar solos of all time.
to hear some solos that DIDNT make the worst solo of all time cut, but prolly
should have at least gotten an honorable mention of stankage:
Not A Speck Of Cereal wrote:
> Joe Cocker's "She Came In Through The Bathroom Window". Some guitarist
> goes for the note and flies right past it. Great moment in sloppy r&r
> history.
i thought that one was kinda interesting. Then ending section is really
crazy. Somebody told me that was Jimmy Page.
Anybody? Buellar? Anybody?
: Ain't it Sneaky Pete on pedal steel? Or Clarence White?
: Box Car Willie?
Boxcar Willie. Now piss off.
Jas.
--
James Andrews
Philadelphia, PA
>> Joe Cocker's "She Came In Through The Bathroom Window". Some guitarist goes
for the note and flies right past it. Great moment in sloppy r&r history.>
>i thought that one was kinda interesting. Then ending section is really
>crazy. Somebody told me that was Jimmy Page.
He's on the "Get By With A Little Help" song.
Peace,
Polfus
http://www.geocities.com/PolfusPage
>I've done lots of gigs like that. Yeah it was a long time ago, but I made
>lots of "pay the phone bill" cash in college playing the coffeehouses and crap
bars around Chapel Hill.>
I went to college there...cool underground music scene in Chapel Hill.
Peace,
Polfus
http://www.geocities.com/PolfusPage
Sneaky Pete?
Isn't he a bookie in Rochester?
Big Brother and the Holding Company, right?
Dorgan