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PRS GEEK

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Jan 4, 2006, 12:36:28 PM1/4/06
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My newsreader hasn't seen a post to rmmg for about 3 days. Wondering if it's
my newsreader.

Other subscribed newsgroups are showing normal activity.

Jeff


Ron.Th...@faa.gov

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Jan 4, 2006, 1:08:05 PM1/4/06
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It is pretty weird anymore. Our newserver here doesn't get much of
anything off of this newsgroup, hasn't for a long time now. I use both
the newserver we have and google via the net gateway. Straight out the
net I see somewhat more than I do from our server, but not much. It is
very quiet these days. Go figure.

PRS GEEK

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Jan 4, 2006, 1:18:18 PM1/4/06
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<Ron.Th...@faa.gov> wrote in message
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What's weirder is that I unsubscribed, then resubscribed and all the posts
came back from the last 3 or 4 days. But the other 3 or 4 groups I read were
fine.

This one is back, but still... Little activity.

Jeff


Ron.Th...@faa.gov

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Jan 4, 2006, 1:28:44 PM1/4/06
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Yes, very little. I'm afraid this place too has been relegated to the
misty early days of NetKookDom. Really a shame.

PRS GEEK

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Jan 4, 2006, 1:37:54 PM1/4/06
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<Ron.Th...@faa.gov> wrote in message
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> Yes, very little. I'm afraid this place too has been relegated to the
> misty early days of NetKookDom. Really a shame.

Probably need to agree with you there. Thing is, I haven't seen an actual
kook here for a while...

Haven't seen Stanley, Robb (well a few weeks ago), howlpuppie. You know,
some of the more "normal" kooks. Saw a post from Barker today.

Was searching google yesterday about some geetar related stuff and saw '98
posts from Kate and Garvin.

Attrition.

I should probably sign up to a moderated forum like Birds and Moons, but
sometimes they get a little too gAy about stuff.

Jeff


Ron.Th...@faa.gov

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Jan 4, 2006, 1:55:42 PM1/4/06
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Yeah and yeah. I don't see much of them guys anymore either. Seems
like no more Carl/Sef or Polfus, no more people. That's whats pretty
sad really. The moderated joints do me no good, they are full of
people that own and use...well, the stuff that the moderated board is
about. I remember getting soundly scolded by individuals that
moderated a Forum using the name oF one oF the two real guitar
companies because I pointed out a shortcoming or two in the oh,
probably dozens of their guitars that I have owned, gigged, recorded
with. They don't go for that, seems you have nothing but the highest
praise for them, or nothing. So I stay away, no sense discussing
reality with a bunch of losers that probably don't even know how to
play their latest Customme Shoppe Acquisition.

So, it's just us...

Could you pass the remote?

Thanks.

Don Evans

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Jan 4, 2006, 2:22:37 PM1/4/06
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<Ron.Th...@faa.gov> wrote in message
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Maybe everyone is busy... practicing?

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Yer welcome ... anything on besides reality and cop shows?


Ron.Th...@faa.gov

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Jan 4, 2006, 2:40:47 PM1/4/06
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Not really, not anymore. Idol starts in a couple weeks I think, that's
one reason to watch teevee.

Les Cargill

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Jan 4, 2006, 5:55:22 PM1/4/06
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Ron.Th...@faa.gov wrote:
> Yes, very little. I'm afraid this place too has been relegated to the
> misty early days of NetKookDom. Really a shame.
>


It was a Mistake of Nature, you know.

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Les Cargill

Les Cargill

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Jan 4, 2006, 5:56:43 PM1/4/06
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Don Evans wrote:

> <Ron.Th...@faa.gov> wrote in message
> news:1136400942.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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>>Yeah and yeah. I don't see much of them guys anymore either. Seems
>>like no more Carl/Sef or Polfus, no more people. That's whats pretty
>>sad really. The moderated joints do me no good, they are full of
>>people that own and use...well, the stuff that the moderated board is
>>about. I remember getting soundly scolded by individuals that
>>moderated a Forum using the name oF one oF the two real guitar
>>companies because I pointed out a shortcoming or two in the oh,
>>probably dozens of their guitars that I have owned, gigged, recorded
>>with. They don't go for that, seems you have nothing but the highest
>>praise for them, or nothing. So I stay away, no sense discussing
>>reality with a bunch of losers that probably don't even know how to
>>play their latest Customme Shoppe Acquisition.
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>>So, it's just us...
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> Maybe everyone is busy... practicing?
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Yeah. That's gotta be it.

<snip>
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Les Cargill

g-mane

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Jan 4, 2006, 6:25:58 PM1/4/06
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In article <1136399323....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Ron.Th...@faa.gov wrote:

> Yes, very little. I'm afraid this place too has been relegated to the
> misty early days of NetKookDom. Really a shame.

Are We Not Men?!!?

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Robert Barker

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Jan 5, 2006, 1:13:47 AM1/5/06
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"PRS GEEK" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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It's your news server. Dewd. I had the same thing happen awhile back with my
ISP. This group, and a few others went 'dead' all of a sudden, but most
other groups (you know, the ones you're *not* interested in) were fine. Took
them forever to fix it, too. Hope you have better luck.


Nil

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Jan 5, 2006, 1:21:20 AM1/5/06
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On 05 Jan 2006, "Robert Barker" <rwba...@dontyouspammerswish.org>
wrote in news:tO2vf.34887$Ou3.25155@dukeread09:

> It's your news server. Dewd. I had the same thing happen awhile
> back with my ISP. This group, and a few others went 'dead' all of
> a sudden, but most other groups (you know, the ones you're *not*
> interested in) were fine. Took them forever to fix it, too. Hope
> you have better luck.

I think what may have happened is that your news service many have
renumbered all the articles in the newsgroup. After that, they would no
longer match what your newsreader has. If the articles on the server
are lower than those recorded by the newsreader, the reader won't
download them. The solution is to do what Jeff did - reset the message
count or unsubscribe/resubscribe. My news service (Comcast) has done
this before.

Robert Barker

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Jan 5, 2006, 9:04:25 AM1/5/06
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"Nil" <redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
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Yeah, I suppose that could have been it. I'll have to try and remember that
for the next time it happens. 'Cause you *kNOw* it'll happen again. ;+)


Panda Wallop

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Jan 5, 2006, 9:31:17 AM1/5/06
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Don Evans wrote:

> Maybe everyone is busy... practicing?

Didn't ennybody get any cool toys for Christmas?! I could tell you
about the one I bought for myself...

Ron.Th...@faa.gov

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Jan 5, 2006, 10:02:27 AM1/5/06
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Panda Wallop wrote:

>Didn't ennybody get any cool toys for Christmas?!

iPod 30G video slammer device thingy. Man, I love that thing.

>I could tell you about the one I bought for myself...

Well?

Twang

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Jan 5, 2006, 10:33:13 AM1/5/06
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wrote in message <1136400942.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...


fender forum wont let you post unless you're a republican.

*l*
how guitar is that?


Twang!

Texas Pete

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Jan 5, 2006, 10:44:43 AM1/5/06
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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:36:28 GMT, "PRS GEEK" <nos...@nospam.com>
wrote:

>My newsreader hasn't seen a post to rmmg for about 3 days. Wondering if it's
>my newsreader.

Not much action here, but not nothin' at all either. Must be the
newsreader or ISP.

>Other subscribed newsgroups are showing normal activity.
>

Looks like most of the usenet guitar action headed over to
alt.guitar. I figure a lot of the brilliant oldtime regulars either
outgrew usenet or got fed up with it. A shame because I learned a lot
from them and more recent newbies probably could too.

Texas Pete

Panda Wallop

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Jan 5, 2006, 11:20:49 AM1/5/06
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It's a device called JamLab by M-Audio. Comes in a plastic housing
smaller than a pack of cigs and weighs next to nothing with a short USB
cable on it. Basically, you plug a guitar into this thing, plug it into
your PC, and you've turned your computer into a pretty good sounding
amp with decent software-driven effects. Plus, it comes with a bunch of
drum loops (actual drummer on a kit) that you can play along to and
arrange.
This ain't new technology, but the idea is *simplicity*; sure, you can
plug into an amp at home, run a signal processor or two, then fire up a
drum machine or sampler and arrange/mix everything, but that's a lot of
screwing around.
This thing is tiny, you just plug it in/unplug it, and you've got
instant amplified guitar, effects and drums you can listen to over
'phones or speakers (through an 1/8" stereo out).

I've been practicing more in the last few days than I have in weeks,
just 'cause I'm a Geezer who enjoys instant gratification. And to top
it off, these things go for 60 bones.

As for the iPod; I got my daughter one of the 2GIG nanos, she seems to
dig it...

Ron.Th...@faa.gov

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Jan 5, 2006, 12:41:21 PM1/5/06
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Panda Wallop wrote:

>It's a device called JamLab by M-Audio. Comes in a plastic housing
>smaller than a pack of cigs and weighs next to nothing with a short USB
>cable on it. Basically, you plug a guitar into this thing, plug it into
>your PC, and you've turned your computer into a pretty good sounding
>amp with decent software-driven effects. Plus, it comes with a bunch of
>drum loops (actual drummer on a kit) that you can play along to and
>arrange.

I fear and loathe this vile and evil thing.

>This ain't new technology, but the idea is *simplicity*; sure, you can
>plug into an amp at home, run a signal processor or two, then fire up a
>drum machine or sampler and arrange/mix everything, but that's a lot of
>screwing around.

Naahh, not as much screwing around after the first time or two and you
get it down.

>This thing is tiny, you just plug it in/unplug it, and you've got
>instant amplified guitar, effects and drums you can listen to over
>'phones or speakers (through an 1/8" stereo out).

Truly it is remarkable what they can do these days, I admire and
respect it all, and anyone that can use it and be happy with it.

>I've been practicing more in the last few days than I have in weeks,
>just 'cause I'm a Geezer who enjoys instant gratification. And to top
>it off, these things go for 60 bones.

Yer cheap too.

>As for the iPod; I got my daughter one of the 2GIG nanos, she seems to
>dig it...

Damn kids are lucky I say.

John S. Shinal

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Jan 5, 2006, 12:43:25 PM1/5/06
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"PRS GEEK" wrote:
>Other subscribed newsgroups are showing normal activity.

Sometimes I have to reload all headers to start the
propagation again. I think it's from the server re-indexing.

As to slowness, I check in once in a while. I've posted a bit
over on Harmony Central - despite the serious suckiness of the
Web-based format - the Live Sound and Bass forums are pretty useful,
the Guitar forums OK, and the Open forum pretty bad.

I was wondering about rmmg also - perhaps it's been de-kooked
enough to be useful again.


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Panda Wallop

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Jan 5, 2006, 1:40:02 PM1/5/06
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Ron.Th...@faa.gov wrote:
> Panda Wallop wrote:
>
> >It's a device called JamLab by M-Audio.

> I fear and loathe this vile and evil thing.

I know what you mean. I'm being dragged kicking and screaming into the
new century myself.


>
> >This ain't new technology, but the idea is *simplicity*; sure, you can
> >plug into an amp at home, run a signal processor or two, then fire up a
> >drum machine or sampler and arrange/mix everything, but that's a lot of
> >screwing around.
>
> Naahh, not as much screwing around after the first time or two and you
> get it down.

People as lazy as me appreciate getting a good, usable set-up as soon
as you wake your computer; to do something comparable with amps,
cables, outboard devices and levels would take me *much* longer.

> Truly it is remarkable what they can do these days, I admire and
> respect it all, and anyone that can use it and be happy with it.

Yeah - this thing is roughly along the lines of a Linn Drum and Amp
Farm plus sequencing/mixing software rolled up into a one ounce plastic
box; the technology alone would have cost a fortune 10 years ago.

> Yer cheap too.

I'm all about cheap.

> Damn kids are lucky I say.

Don't get me started! I gave my son one of these Ibanez *** "Packs"
with a decent guitar, high-tech practice amp, digital tuner, gig bag,
learning DVD, etc., etc. Man! They didn't have this cool stuff when I
was growing up - I had to learn on a STICK with a RUBBER BAND stretched
acrost it!

Ron.Th...@faa.gov

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Jan 5, 2006, 2:24:38 PM1/5/06
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Panda Wallop wrote:

>I know what you mean. I'm being dragged kicking and screaming into the
>new century myself.

Well, between my (shudder to say it) "studio" and this here iPod, I
think I've pretty much arrived in the current century. It is pretty
kewl.

>People as lazy as me appreciate getting a good, usable set-up as soon
>as you wake your computer; to do something comparable with amps,
>cables, outboard devices and levels would take me *much* longer.

Yeah, it can, and it does. I still dread it up until I actually begin,
then it is a breeze. Computers, on the other hand, will always be
there on Monday, so I am happy not to mess with them.

>Yeah - this thing is roughly along the lines of a Linn Drum and Amp
>Farm plus sequencing/mixing software rolled up into a one ounce plastic
>box; the technology alone would have cost a fortune 10 years ago.

Scarey.

>> Yer cheap too.

>I'm all about cheap.

cheapskate

>Don't get me started! I gave my son one of these Ibanez *** "Packs"
>with a decent guitar, high-tech practice amp, digital tuner, gig bag,
>learning DVD, etc., etc. Man! They didn't have this cool stuff when I
>was growing up - I had to learn on a STICK with a RUBBER BAND stretched
>acrost it!

We had to invent guitars when I was growing up. In fact, we invented
growing up, that's how tough we had it. These kids. I shake my head
and urge them to leave my lawn.

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PRS GEEK

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Jan 5, 2006, 6:04:06 PM1/5/06
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It's about TIME somea you bozo's started posting again!!!!!

I thought I was gonna be posting invisibly or sumpthin!

Jeff


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PRS GEEK

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Jan 5, 2006, 6:06:46 PM1/5/06
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<Ron.Th...@faa.gov> wrote in message
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Right... To see people pissed a THE thompsor about anything fend3r cracks me
up, indeed!

> So, it's just us...

I'll get us some beer. And some Makers Mark!

> Could you pass the remote?

If you don't touch my Makers Mark!

> Thanks.

Could you pass me my Makers Mark, again?

Jeff


JMK

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Jan 5, 2006, 6:07:57 PM1/5/06
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PRS GEEK wrote:
> It's about TIME somea you bozo's started posting again!!!!!
>
>

Sorry.

I wanted to write lyrics to this tune I'm composing about the recent
disasterous meteorological event.

I'm having a hard time finding a rhyme for "drywall."

Except maybe "eyewall."

(shudder)

JMK

PRS GEEK

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Jan 5, 2006, 6:09:19 PM1/5/06
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"JimmyD" <jim.do...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:36:28 GMT, "PRS GEEK" <nos...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Jeff, this groups been dead for probably going on two years IMHO. I
> get my comedy elsewhere or I actually practice or watch my MTV. Stop
> on over at TGP, there are some pretty good discussions.

Yeah, that place is OK... Not TOO different from Birds and Moons. Those guys
are just so gAy about PRSii it makes me gag. But I can relate to them on
some level I guess.

However, I have gotten some good info over there more than once.

Jeff


PRS GEEK

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Jan 5, 2006, 6:30:43 PM1/5/06
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"JMK" <jkai...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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LOL...

Spiral (almost works)

Highball (drank after the storm)

Sky fall (that's a good one!)

Midol (just ask wifey if she'd like one with a highball)

Jeff


Les Cargill

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Jan 5, 2006, 10:18:09 PM1/5/06
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Willie Womp-Ass wrote:

> THOSE ARE OOOMPA LOOOMPAS.
>
> How dare you forget your little people.
>
>
>

Run! Run while you can, before the musical number starts!

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Les Cargill

Les Cargill

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Jan 5, 2006, 10:19:28 PM1/5/06
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JMK wrote:

Highball?

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PRS GEEK

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"Les Cargill" <lNOca...@cfl.Arr.com> wrote in message
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Dude...! That's a whisky drink!

Jeff


Not A Speck Of Cereal

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Jan 6, 2006, 12:57:51 AM1/6/06
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As Ron.Th...@faa.gov so eloquently put:
[...]
[] Yeah, it can, and it does. I still dread it up until I actually begin,

[] then it is a breeze. Computers, on the other hand, will always be
[] there on Monday, so I am happy not to mess with them.

My main upstairs computer lost innernet connection yesterday. WTF
turned to OMG. I went to my stereo too see that the media computer
still had full wifi internet connectivity, but that box ain't equipped
with my daily hypo needles of connectivity requirements, so I dashed
downstairs to ye ol' studio based computer to see if it had
connectivity. It did, but goddam if this thing isn't 3 years old and
couldn't remote into my work email account! So I flipped open my phone
and hit sync--damn, I don't have a data plan on that phone anymore.

SHIT -- I CAN'T GET TO MY EMAIL!!

Worse yet, I couldn't download headers to this god forsaken usenet
cesspool, so I looked into the corner and spied a guitar. "Fuck those
assholes", said I, and commenced to flog myself with my rusty chops
and finally decided that I would feel better if I just turned on the
tube and forgot about all of that.

This evening, I uninstalled all net port drivers and let them "plug
and play" on reboot (we can be Gods) to find my internet connection
reappear as fast and mysterious as it disappeared. Ask not.

Ain't this a glorious time for we human beings?!

[] We had to invent guitars when I was growing up. In fact, we invented


[] growing up, that's how tough we had it. These kids. I shake my head
[] and urge them to leave my lawn.

where's my buckshot, I swear...

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Not A Speck Of Cereal

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Jan 6, 2006, 1:01:17 AM1/6/06
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As Ron.Th...@faa.gov so eloquently put:
[] Yeah and yeah. I don't see much of them guys anymore either. Seems

[] like no more Carl/Sef or Polfus, no more people. That's whats pretty
[] sad really.

Era.

Not A Speck Of Cereal

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Jan 6, 2006, 1:02:15 AM1/6/06
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As jshinal_REMO...@mindspring.com (John S. Shinal) so
eloquently put:
[]
[] I was wondering about rmmg also - perhaps it's been de-kooked

[] enough to be useful again.

That depends on your definition of "useful".

Robert Barker

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"PRS GEEK" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> It's about TIME somea you bozo's started posting again!!!!!
>
> I thought I was gonna be posting invisibly or sumpthin!
>
> Jeff
>
>
We'll *always* post for you, Lil' Jeffy....iNDeED!!


PRS GEEK

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Jan 6, 2006, 1:11:46 PM1/6/06
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"Robert Barker" <rwba...@dontyouspammerswish.org> wrote in message
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Well, thanx muffin! ;-)


Don Evans

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"Not A Speck Of Cereal" <Xchri...@Xgmail.comX> wrote in message
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> As jshinal_REMO...@mindspring.com (John S. Shinal) so
> eloquently put:
> []
> [] I was wondering about rmmg also - perhaps it's been de-kooked
> [] enough to be useful again.
>
> That depends on your definition of "useful".
>

Look, for the last time ... it's mods, distortion, time based stuff and then
amps. No ... wait ... is it distortion, mods, amps, time based ... no ...
at least we know tubes rule ... no ... wait ...

Chief...@hotmail.com

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Jan 6, 2006, 3:30:27 PM1/6/06
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Did you ever get that Marshall 18-watt combo ?
Ted Weber sells a 18-watt head kit for $400. The non-Vibrato, TMB head

is interesting.

Les Cargill

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Jan 7, 2006, 10:59:12 AM1/7/06
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Chief...@hotmail.com wrote:


You ain't kiddin'.

https://weberspeakerscom.secure.powweb.com/store/kit_r.htm

What's all the "5F2A" and such mean in there? TIA.

--
Les Cargill

PRS GEEK

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Jan 7, 2006, 3:04:22 PM1/7/06
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Dude... You know I'd never build an amp!!!! I suck and don't have any
patience for that.

Someday I will get something like that tho.

Jeff


PRS GEEK

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Jan 7, 2006, 3:06:44 PM1/7/06
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"Les Cargill" <lNOca...@cfl.Arr.com> wrote in message
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Com "plexi' ty = 2??? Sounds pretty cool for that sound!

Jeff


Odin

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Jan 7, 2006, 11:45:54 PM1/7/06
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"Les Cargill" <lNOca...@cfl.Arr.com> wrote in message

> You ain't kiddin'.


>
> https://weberspeakerscom.secure.powweb.com/store/kit_r.htm
>
> What's all the "5F2A" and such mean in there? TIA.

Most of the early tube amps were copies out of the tube manual books, and
the first Marshalls were just Fender copies. The classic tweed Bassman is
the 5F6A circuit, the classic blackface Super Reverb a AB763, etc... (Leo
gave each circuit and revision a code designation). The 5F2A wasn't a code
used by Leo AFAIK but it's either Weber's copycat code or the code out of
some book.


Les Cargill

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Jan 8, 2006, 2:49:53 PM1/8/06
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Odin wrote:

> "Les Cargill" <lNOca...@cfl.Arr.com> wrote in message
>
>
>>You ain't kiddin'.
>>
>>https://weberspeakerscom.secure.powweb.com/store/kit_r.htm
>>
>>What's all the "5F2A" and such mean in there? TIA.
>
>
> Most of the early tube amps were copies out of the tube manual books, and
> the first Marshalls were just Fender copies. The classic tweed Bassman is
> the 5F6A circuit,

Right! I recognize that one.

> the classic blackface Super Reverb a AB763, etc... (Leo
> gave each circuit and revision a code designation). The 5F2A wasn't a code
> used by Leo AFAIK but it's either Weber's copycat code or the code out of
> some book.
>
>

Ah. Makes sense - thankx.

FWIW, I found what appears to be a pretty good partial list that
might have some use as a decoder ring here:

http://www.thetubestore.com/earfenam.html#tweed%20very%20early%20Champ

It looks like there's a "5E3 head kit" that's a tweed Deluxe
circuit in head form. Now *that* is interesting... maybe when I
get some pennies back inna jar from Xmas....

--
Les Cargill

Z_2K

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"Odin" <REMOVEa...@sbcglobal.netREMOVE> wrote in message
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Actually, the 5F2-A circuit was a version of the tweed Princeton , and
appears schematically identical to the 5E2 Princeton. The 5F2 circuit
removed the cathode bypass cap on V1A input stage, which would reduce gain
on that stage. Maybe an error.... The 5F2-A added it back.

I've been hounding Weber to configure that 5F2H with the single ended KT66
for guitar. At present, it's set up for harp. Might sound good for guitar as
is, but I'm not gambling on it.


Z_2K

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"Les Cargill" <lNOca...@cfl.Arr.com> wrote in message
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Those designate particular Fender tweed amp circuits:

5C1, 5E1, 5F1 = early tweed Champ
5C2, 5D2, 5E2, 5F2 = early tweed Princton
5C/D/E5 = early Pro
5C/D/E/F4 = early tweed Super

As you know, many of these early tweed circuits differed only in OT and
speaker configuration. Same goes for the Weber kits...


Z_2K

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"PRS GEEK" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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I could, and should, build it. If it came out sounding good, that would be a
sweet deal. If not, I could put it on top of my MAZ-18 and folks would think
I have an expensive back-up amp...LOL.


Odin

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"Z_2K" <chief...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > > https://weberspeakerscom.secure.powweb.com/store/kit_r.htm
> > >
> > > What's all the "5F2A" and such mean in there? TIA.
> >
> > Most of the early tube amps were copies out of the tube manual books,
and
> > the first Marshalls were just Fender copies. The classic tweed Bassman
is
> > the 5F6A circuit, the classic blackface Super Reverb a AB763, etc...
(Leo
> > gave each circuit and revision a code designation). The 5F2A wasn't a
> code
> > used by Leo AFAIK but it's either Weber's copycat code or the code out
of
> > some book.
> >
> >
>
> Actually, the 5F2-A circuit was a version of the tweed Princeton , and
> appears schematically identical to the 5E2 Princeton. The 5F2 circuit
> removed the cathode bypass cap on V1A input stage, which would reduce gain
> on that stage. Maybe an error.... The 5F2-A added it back.
>
> I've been hounding Weber to configure that 5F2H with the single ended KT66
> for guitar. At present, it's set up for harp. Might sound good for guitar
as
> is, but I'm not gambling on it.

Those early Fender circuits are pretty easy to tweak yourself if you have
the time and patience to troubleshoot your experimentations. I found that
amp building is a lot of troubleshooting. There's always an issue with lead
dress or oscillation or something. Dr Z does a damn good job of coming up
with new designs that don't really copy the old Fender circuits. Have you
seen his newest, the Stingray? It's basically a badass Vox AC30 with
volume, tone, and cut controls only designed with/for Brad Paisley and now
available in the Dr Z lineup.


PRS GEEK

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"Z_2K" <chief...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Dude... Just do it and post yer findings!!! ;-)

Jeff


Les Cargill

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*Kewl*. Thankx. I gather that 5{CDE}3 is then the Deluxe
(apparently nonreverb, or maybe reverb-optional on the
Weber kits )?

By 5{CDE}3, I mean { 5C3, 5D3, 5E3 }

> As you know, many of these early tweed circuits differed only in OT and
> speaker configuration. Same goes for the Weber kits...
>
>


--
Les Cargill

Karl

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That's the circuit number Fender stamped on the schematics. The
Venerable Tweed '59 Bassman, for example, is 5F6a. And a tRuE Gearh3ad
like ME, knows such things. You cannot hang with us on arf.genius.amps
if you don't. Or if you do, you have to stick to the political threads.

Les Cargill

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Karl wrote:

HAH! Zorro done revealed the Sekrit Kode.

> Or if you do, you have to stick to the political threads.
>

http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/

--
Les Cargill

Ron Thompson

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Les Cargill wrote:

>>>What's all the "5F2A" and such mean in there? TIA.

>> That's the circuit number Fender stamped on the schematics. The
>> Venerable Tweed '59 Bassman, for example, is 5F6a. And a tRuE Gearh3ad

>> like ME, knows such things. You cannot hang with us on arf.genius.amps
>> if you don't.

> HAH! Zorro done revealed the Sekrit Kode.

Yeah man, this has been an interesting read. I have books upon books about
this stuff and have read them and am a little familiar with the circuit
numbers and stuff, but since I don't really do much to amps I don't know
what it all means. This is good stuff here.

I got a book called George And Leo for Christmas and read it in about an
hour. Nice story, told by George, of his time with Leo on this planet.
Great stuff, makes me wish there was more G&L dealers in this area.
--
rct

The opinions above are mine and mine alone.

Ron Thompson

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Not A Speck Of Cereal wrote:

> My main upstairs computer lost innernet connection yesterday. WTF
> turned to OMG. I went to my stereo too see that the media computer
> still had full wifi internet connectivity, but that box ain't equipped
> with my daily hypo needles of connectivity requirements, so I dashed
> downstairs to ye ol' studio based computer to see if it had
> connectivity. It did, but goddam if this thing isn't 3 years old and
> couldn't remote into my work email account! So I flipped open my phone
> and hit sync--damn, I don't have a data plan on that phone anymore.
>
> SHIT -- I CAN'T GET TO MY EMAIL!!
>
> Worse yet, I couldn't download headers to this god forsaken usenet
> cesspool, so I looked into the corner and spied a guitar. "Fuck those
> assholes", said I, and commenced to flog myself with my rusty chops
> and finally decided that I would feel better if I just turned on the
> tube and forgot about all of that.
>
> This evening, I uninstalled all net port drivers and let them "plug
> and play" on reboot (we can be Gods) to find my internet connection
> reappear as fast and mysterious as it disappeared. Ask not.
>
> Ain't this a glorious time for we human beings?!

Well, yeah. If we can manage the above while at work, hence getting paid
for all that. If I had to do that, only once, in my own home, I'd kill
myself. And to connect it all up to guitars and stuff would really kill me.
But, different iStrokes for different eFolks, nowuttamean?

Chief...@hotmail.com

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You gather correctly. You can look up many of these old schematics at
www.schematicheaven.com, or at www.fenderholic.com.
I use Pittman's "Tube Amp Book II" as a reference, as well.

Chief...@hotmail.com

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I thought the amp Mike designed for Paisey was the Prescription ES...an
Rx with an EF86 as the second ( or maybe third) pre-amp stage. I'll
have to check out the Dr. Z site.

Chief...@hotmail.com

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I have a couple issues with Ted Weber's kits:

a) I don't like working with cloth-covered wire.
b) Most of his electrical components are sourced from Chinese sources.

PRS GEEK

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"Ron Thompson" <Ron.Th...@faa.gov> wrote in message
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My Legacy HB is the best Strat I've ever played. The bass roll of is
awesome, IMHO...

Jeff


PRS GEEK

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<Chief...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> PRS GEEK wrote:

>> Dude... Just do it and post yer findings!!! ;-)
>>
>> Jeff
>
> I have a couple issues with Ted Weber's kits:
>
> a) I don't like working with cloth-covered wire.
> b) Most of his electrical components are sourced from Chinese sources.

So, I'll probably never hear one of those things, ever! And, it'll be YOUR
fault.

Jeff


Z_2K

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"PRS GEEK" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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I'd just have to get my own hookup wire, that's all. Actually, pics on the
Weber site of an 18-watter build show it has ceramic tube sockets, good
looking pots, and uses a turret board vs. an eyelet board. Dr. Z amps don't
use ceramic sockets.

A set of Sprague O'drop caps to sub into the signal path would only add
about $10-15. And, with the combo you can get his #1 Alnico speaker , the
Blue Dog. I really should build it.

But that 6L6 powered tweed Super 5E4 with 2-10's is also tempting (I'd
upgrade to the Weber Blue Pups), or that tweed 5E5 Pro with the upgraded
15A150 speaker (same circuit as the Super, just different speaker).

Decisions, decisions.....


Z_2K

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"Odin" <REMOVEa...@sbcglobal.netREMOVE> wrote in message
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I don't have a 'scope, only a DVM. I really should pick up a cheap 'scope.


Grouchy Soundguy

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"Z_2K" <chief...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > Those early Fender circuits are pretty easy to tweak


yourself if you have
> > the time and patience to troubleshoot your
experimentations.
>
> I don't have a 'scope, only a DVM. I really should pick up
a cheap 'scope.

Heathkit. Build it yourself. Is Heathkit still around?


Ron.Th...@faa.gov

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Grouchy Soundguy wrote:

>Heathkit. Build it yourself. Is Heathkit still around?

Long time ago they went away. Remember Lafayette? I had a diy
Lafayette amp that I used as a preamp in front of my Sound City heads.
Cardboardy, Midrangey yet shrill, Awesome, Holy Grail Tone. Except we
didn't know there was a holy grail of tone. I don't think we cared
either. Well, the Paythin Holy Grail, yeah, that would have been the
Holy Grail to us.

Odin

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<Ron.Th...@faa.gov> wrote in message

Oops, I was posting under one of my other personalities.
Yeah, I remember Lafayette. My dad used to build the
Heathkit stuff, all sorts of stuff. Still has it all.

Which reminds me...my first amp was an old Gibson tube combo
pawn shop special from the late 40's. Tweed, single 10" or
12" speaker, just volume and tone. I hated it. Recovered
it with black vinyl, spray painted it, got rid of it. Today
it would be a boo-teek holy grail piece, but then I just
wanted to rawk. I soon bought an early JCM800 full stack
(yep, dual 4x12 cabs that wouldn't both fit into my '79
280ZX for party gigs so I had to make 2 trips).


Ron.Th...@faa.gov

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I would not have ever hired you for my bands driving something g4y like
that.

Odin

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<Ron.Th...@faa.gov> wrote in message

> I would not have ever hired you for my bands driving
something g4y like
> that.

Hey, I got hired because my room was a converted 2-car
garage and was big enough for a rehearsal space (and my
parents let us play loud pretty much any time we wanted and
leave the gear set up). It was a cool car for a 16 year
old, but I wasn't a fully developed redneck yet at that time
so I didn't cut the hair and buy the pickup until I was 18.


Ron.Th...@faa.gov

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Alright, with that explanation I rescind my earlier comments and can
assure you I would have been in a band with you since you had the place
to rehearse and I could keep my giant Peavey bass bins there, right? I
guess the car was ok. Would we have been able to send yer punk ass
brother out for Big Max and cigs and stuff?

Odin

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<Ron.Th...@faa.gov> wrote in message

> Alright, with that explanation I rescind my earlier
comments and can
> assure you I would have been in a band with you since you
had the place
> to rehearse and I could keep my giant Peavey bass bins
there, right?

Sure thing. I met some guys rehearsing in a living room and
their mom was yelling about the mess. I told them they
could bring the gear over to my house and jam. When they
got there I said, "I play, mind if I jam along?". Then I
was in, that simple. If I'd been relying on my talents and
hard work I'd still be looking for a band.


> I guess the car was ok. Would we have been able to send
yer punk ass
> brother out for Big Max and cigs and stuff?

No, he was only 11. He was the one peeking in while we
jammed. They called him "little dude" because he had a
mullet longer than Billy Ray Cyrus at the early age of 10.


Ron.Th...@faa.gov

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Odin wrote:

>Sure thing. I met some guys rehearsing in a living room and
>their mom was yelling about the mess. I told them they
>could bring the gear over to my house and jam. When they
>got there I said, "I play, mind if I jam along?". Then I
>was in, that simple. If I'd been relying on my talents and
>hard work I'd still be looking for a band.

Oh phuck I went about it all wrong then. I had all the place in the
world to rehearse where I grew up, but didn't have a band out there
until way later on.

>Would we have been able to send yer punk ass
> brother out for Big Max and cigs and stuff?

>No, he was only 11. He was the one peeking in while we
>jammed. They called him "little dude" because he had a
>mullet longer than Billy Ray Cyrus at the early age of 10.

Prolly hasn't changed much, ehy? We had a guys little brother,
Russell, Russell Corpuscle we called him. He would go to the pizza
place and get smokes and sodas and stuff. He walked, he was only like,
13.

nm...@wt.net

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a cheap 'scope.

Heathkit. Build it yourself. Is Heathkit still around?

No mo... I've got one heath scope. It's kinda funky to
tell the truth, but I suppose it halfway works. Also
have a heath scope calibrator. I've got a kikusui scope
which is a little better. "60 mhz" Actually, for most amp
work, you really don't need a scope. It's just handy to
have at times. That DVM is probably just as useful
overall.
MK

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PRS GEEK

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"howldog" <No...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 10 Jan 2006 11:41:12 -0800, Ron.Th...@faa.gov wrote:
>
> >Odin wrote:
> >
> >>Sure thing. I met some guys rehearsing in a living room and
> >>their mom was yelling about the mess. I told them they
> >>could bring the gear over to my house and jam. When they
> >>got there I said, "I play, mind if I jam along?". Then I
> >>was in, that simple. If I'd been relying on my talents and
> >>hard work I'd still be looking for a band.
> >
> >Oh phuck I went about it all wrong then. I had all the place in the
> >world to rehearse where I grew up, but didn't have a band out there
> >until way later on.
>
> hah! thats nothing.
>
> my first band, was busted by the Minister, for smoking dope, in the
> church balcony where we rehearsed and used the big B3.
>
> I hadda cut my hair AND give the church back the amp they let me
> borrow so I could play in the "early service". Fired from that, too.


LOL...

That's all *I* have to say... Another prodigy smokin' DOPE in church at
13!!!!

I always played guitar AFTER church and never smoked dope till I was in my
first year of College.

Jeff


Z_2K

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"Odin" <amsp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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First amp I had was an old Ampeg Jet 1-12 that I got along with a Hagstrom
guitar. I sold the guitar, but kept the amp to use with my NEXT 'real
guitar', a '72 Telecaster. I stripped the amp and finished the pine-wood
chassis with stain and laquer. So I was one-up on Mesa Boogie with my
natural-finished Ampeg.


Odin

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"howldog" <No...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> my first band, was busted by the Minister, for smoking


dope, in the
> church balcony where we rehearsed and used the big B3.

Busted for not sharing?


Odin

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<Ron.Th...@faa.gov> wrote in message

> >Would we have been able to send yer punk ass
> > brother out for Big Max and cigs and stuff?
>
> >No, he was only 11. He was the one peeking in while we
> >jammed. They called him "little dude" because he had a
> >mullet longer than Billy Ray Cyrus at the early age of
10.
>
> Prolly hasn't changed much, ehy? We had a guys little
brother,
> Russell, Russell Corpuscle we called him. He would go to
the pizza
> place and get smokes and sodas and stuff. He walked, he
was only like,
> 13.

He's famous now, you know.


Les Cargill

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Odin wrote:

Real rednecks don't cut they hair.

--
Les Cargill

Odin

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<nm...@wt.net> wrote in message

A good true RMS DVM (Fluke or better) and a good ear will do
anything I need on a tube amp. I don't use a scope to bias,
and anything I build is simple enough that I can
troubleshoot it without the scope.


Odin

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"Les Cargill" <lNOca...@cfl.Arr.com> wrote in message

I'm not an Austin hippie wannbe redneck.


g-mane

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In article <NuVwf.16166$aM4....@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>,
"PRS GEEK" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:


>
> I always played guitar AFTER church and never smoked dope till I was in my
> first year of College.
>
> Jeff

that's okay, no one holds it against you.
some folks are just late bloomers.

-g

PRS GEEK

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"g-mane" <gm...@youknowthedrill.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Actually, I WAS a late bloomer... Naive kid...

Started partying afer everyone had already been doing it.

I was 20 before I ever got laid, and I was already gigging clubs!

Jeff

Odin

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"PRS GEEK" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message

> >> I always played guitar AFTER church and never smoked


dope till I was in
> >> my
> >> first year of College.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >
> > that's okay, no one holds it against you.
> > some folks are just late bloomers.
>
> Actually, I WAS a late bloomer... Naive kid...
>
> Started partying afer everyone had already been doing it.
>
> I was 20 before I ever got laid, and I was already gigging
clubs!
>
> Jeff

I don't know why they call you a faig.


nm...@wt.net

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>A good true RMS DVM (Fluke or better) and a good ear will do
>anything I need on a tube amp. I don't use a scope to bias,
>and anything I build is simple enough that I can
>troubleshoot it without the scope.

Yep... I rarely need a scope for working on even radios.
Or at least the older ones. It's just like a handy luxury item..
They can save time on some things though. I use it when
when working on car ignition systems at times...:/
I've got a true RMS simpson that I've had for a long time.
It was army surplus I picked up for $25.
They cost about $300? new.. Also have a few VTVM's and
other meters. Heck..I can align my TS-830 ham rig using
nothing but a DVM, a freq counter and the crystal calibrator
in the radio as a test signal.
There are free software scope trainers on the web that can
teach how to use them.
I've got a bunch of old heath crap..Used to run a HW-100 ham
rig, and still have a SB-200 amp. Have an old signal generator,
function generator, scope, scope calibrator, both size VTVM's,
rf probes, etc, etc..Even have a heath DC-AC converter which
I still use for camping, power outs, etc.. I used that thing last
weekend when I was out camping on the Sabinal river near
Utopia. I go out there to melt the cheeze every once in a while.
It's kinda in the Garner state park, Bandera area... Redneck
rancher country for all you yankees unfamiliar with the terrain.. :)
I took it out there so I could play my geetar at the river.
Got everything all set up with my pedal, baby amp, etc,
and found I forgot to bring a single freakin pick with me.
Murphy's law lives I tell ya.
No geetar centers in Utopia, and 380 miles a bit far to go back
home to get the ones I left sitting on the table.
Another day, another $2.31... I retired the portable geetar rig
and yakked on my ham radio instead... :/
MK

Not A Speck Of Cereal

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As "Ron Thompson" <Ron.Th...@faa.gov> so eloquently put:
[] Not A Speck Of Cereal wrote:
[...]
[] > Ain't this a glorious time for we human beings?!
[]
[] Well, yeah. If we can manage the above while at work, hence getting paid
[] for all that. If I had to do that, only once, in my own home, I'd kill
[] myself. And to connect it all up to guitars and stuff would really kill me.
[] But, different iStrokes for different eFolks, nowuttamean?

I reckon. I'd kill myself if I had to do that at work. I already have
too much shit to do there. I grapple with usenet at home these days,
and lightly so at that, given how little time I have for it.

----
"The best way out is always through"
- Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963).
Remove X's from my email address above to reply
[These opinions are personal views only and only my personal views]

Don Evans

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"PRS GEEK" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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A couple of times I sneaked in and played the church organ. ... Green Onions
and Back at the Chicken Shack on the pipe organ ... no dope, though.

Don


Ron.Th...@faa.gov

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Odin wrote:

>He's famous now, you know.

Really? Well, wish him continued luck with it for me. Last time I saw
him around here you and him and me were arguing about
something...stupid I'm sure, politics or weed and politics or
something, I don't know. Whatever it was, it was dumb, I do know that.
I will look for his Rock And Roll act next time I'm in Austin, a place
I sometimes visit frequently but less and less and I do miss going
there.

Odin

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<nm...@wt.net> wrote in message

You shoulda whittled one from wood.


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Me either...


PRS GEEK

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"howldog" <No...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:36:28 GMT, "PRS GEEK" <nos...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>I was 20 before I ever got laid, and I was already gigging clubs!
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>
>
> It was probably all those Village People songs you were covering.

I always wanted to be a cowboy.


PRS GEEK

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"Don Evans" <gtrdo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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You ever hear Roy Buchanan do "Green Onions"? On Loading Zone, I think.


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nm...@wt.net

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>You shoulda whittled one from wood.

Yea, I tried to rig a psuedo pick, but couldn't find
the right material. I was thinking plastic.. I guess
wood could have worked.. I considered using a
quarter, but I hate playing with unshaved quarters.
I like a tip on the pick. I have a geenuwine Billy
Gibbons peso pick, and it's quite usable cuz it's
cut and shaped and smoothed like a pick. Nothing
like just a plain quarter. Actually, a quarter is a bit
small to fit in a regular size pick..That might be why
the Rev went to the pesos...Dunno..Only the Rev
knows fer sure..Well...Maybe G-mane too... :/
I'm gonna have to buy another big batch of picks
to leave in my cases.. I had many in them, but...
They slowly dwindled away as usual, so that by the
time I *really* need one, they all be gone.
It's Murphy I tell ya... I usually keep a couple in
my wallet. No luck there either though this time.
MK

Odin

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"howldog" <No...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >>>I was 20 before I ever got laid, and I was already


gigging clubs!
> >>>
> >>>Jeff
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> It was probably all those Village People songs you were
covering.
> >
> >I always wanted to be a cowboy.
> >
>
>

> and Odin can be your cowgrrrl

This ain't Brokeback Mountain


g-mane

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Jan 11, 2006, 5:49:22 PM1/11/06
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In article <1137016025....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
nm...@wt.net wrote:

it was explained to me that a peso:

(a) is a better size for the task

(b) has more silver content and is thus softer and won't trash a set of
strings as fast

supposedly Mexico changed the specs on pesos sometime in the last ten or
fifteen years and current ones are a no-no. and don't even think about
using a modern "sandwich" quarter. . . .or so i was told.

-g

g-mane

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Jan 11, 2006, 5:53:09 PM1/11/06
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In article <gmane-6A27FB....@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
g-mane <gm...@youknowthedrill.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

speaking of picks, has anyone tried out the Pyramid celluloid picks? i
had a couple of freebies, which i lost. . . i can't recall the last time
i actually bought picks, but i might make an exception and order a
handful of Pyramids.

-g

Don Evans

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"PRS GEEK" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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I heard him do it live (I'm pretty sure, anyway), but not the recording. Is
it different from the one on "Guitar on fire"? I have yet to hear any Roy
Buchanan that matches what I saw the night I saw him, but I'd love to .

Don


PRS GEEK

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"g-mane" <gm...@youknowthedrill.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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I'll try ANYthing, once!

My email is jl130ATsbcglobal.net

That's JL130ATSBCGLOBAL.NET

Jeff

nm...@wt.net

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Jan 12, 2006, 1:47:05 AM1/12/06
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>it was explained to me that a peso:

>(a) is a better size for the task

Yep. You can fit the standard pick size on a peso.
A quarter is too small. I see a guy on the web that
grinds quarter picks for sale, but they are smaller
than a normal pick. I don't really like junior picks
too much.. :/ You can make a full size pick with a
peso.

>(b) has more silver content and is thus softer and won't trash a set of
>strings as fast

Could be...

>supposedly Mexico changed the specs on pesos sometime in the last ten or
>fifteen years and current ones are a no-no. and don't even think about
>using a modern "sandwich" quarter. . . .or so i was told.

Hummm..The one I have is from the middle 80's? or so. He was
playing a club opening over on Richmond way back then, and
happened to drop this one on the floor somewhere.
My brother grabbed it up.. :) The coin looks fairly old, and is
non clad, but the date is cut off of it. I scanned a pix of it
on my scanner a while back when someone was inquiring about
his peso picks..
http://web.wt.net/~nm5k/billypic.jpg
I use it every once in a while when I want some heavy metal
twang..:)
MK

Robert Barker

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<nm...@wt.net> wrote in message
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<snip>

> I'm gonna have to buy another big batch of picks
> to leave in my cases.. I had many in them, but...
> They slowly dwindled away as usual, so that by the
> time I *really* need one, they all be gone.
> It's Murphy I tell ya... I usually keep a couple in
> my wallet. No luck there either though this time.
> MK
>
I have one of those little 'pick pouches' on my key ring that I really like.
I always have a couple of picks with me now, 'cause you never know! ;+)


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