The FDP really has gone too far now.
Richard Irons
statements.
- You are NOT allowed post anti-war, anti-Bush statements.
- They opened a forum called the "War Room". People used it to express
their opinion that the war was unjustified, poor little Chris got
upset and the forum was deleted.
- On a recent thread about gas mileage, people were bragging about
their great figures. The figures actually showed they had unbelievably
inefficient cars. A poster who complained that the mileages were
terrible and the we should care more about the environment had his
post deleted.
- The moderators consistently post sarcastic responses to suggestions
in the suggestions forum. Basically a typical exchange involves
somebody asking for a useful feature, only to be told that it would
cost A LOT OF MONEY and be VERY DIFFICULT, usually by "reverendrob"
who appears to be a completely inept database programmer.
- Chris Greene has dropped any pretence that his site is a fair,
unbiased discussion group. He has posted a public notice saying that
he is "not interested in your opinion" on war matters (unless it
agrees with his of course). He constantly gives the "my house, my
rules" metaphor. When I have people round, I don't kick them out or
tell them to shut up if their points of view differ from mine.
AND YET - this site is still linked to from the official Fender site,
has a list of sponsors as long as your arm, and is regularly
contributed to by its members. The money is obviously going to other
places than programming and upkeep costs. Either that, or this
"reverendrob" guy is such a crap programmer it takes him a week to do
what for a decent programmer would be a day's work, thus depleting the
resources.
The reason why Fender continue to be associated with this site that is
the *opposite* of free speech is completely beyond me. They should
just get some free forum software and stick it on their site. Let
Greene get on with it - he's a complete control freak. He's started a
similar site for astronomy; presumably because he got scared trying to
discuss it in a place where people could say whatever they thought.
Mikey
Richard Irons wrote:
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IMO, the FDP is a "Fender Discussion Page", an it's no place to talk
politics. There are many other place on the 'net where these topics, OT
or not are discussed at great length.
There are millions of sites on the Web and thousands of newsgroups. If
you don't like the way things are done on a certain site, then why go
there? And, more importantly, why waste your time bitching about it here?
Go to alt.guitar.amps
they love political fuming over there.
Thunder
CARBUFF
No flame threads, no fights, just a great place to get info on fender guitars
and amps. 3 cheers for Chris Greene!!!
George
Chip L
CARBUFF
Its free for me. Contributing is optional. It gives you a few priviledges but
you dont need to pay to use it. Yes, there are links to sponsors but no popups
or obnoxious blinking ads or anything like that. Ive had posts deleted. Posted
my own ebay link just to show a pic of a particular model. No problem, Im over
it. I can live with the rules there.
George
Count Scrofula
say, it is a business and is not a bastion of free speech. Some groups have
considerably more free speech than others, in particular the guild and
deArmond forum has been a good place where I and others have been able to
freely criticize FMIC products and corporate decisions as long as the tone
is kept moderately civil. No cussing and no personal attacks, which cramps
my style a bit but not too badly.
I think there's a lot of variability depending on the moderators of the
group, and particularly if Chris is involved in the group. The most
pathetic examples were chris's blatant censorship in the amps group of folks
who were less than kind in comments about the cyber turds. That's just
ass-kissing on chris' part and does really suck.
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> I'm new here. I thought this ng was about guitars.
Good morning, here is some coffee. Smell it.
"The music industry has nothing to do with music. "
--Robert Fripp
Haadi Mahairi
Odin
and everything that he doesn't like and he does it with no
reason or consistency. He's a whiny little bitch who can't
handle any form of criticism or disagreement, and he
certainly won't tolerate anyone disagreeing with him in his
little sandbox. But really, why bother. I read the FDP
forums for a while and the ratio of interesting discussion
to kiddie crap is pretty low.
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Bongolation
> If "war talk" is removed, it should all be removed, pro or con.
It was and should have been.
The biggest waste on the FDP is the non-gear, non-music forum ("Moe's")
which is a dead loss that consumes most of the site's resources and creates
most of its problems. Chris put it there grudgingly so non-gear posts
wouldn't befoul the real discussion areas. If he hadn't, they would be
like alt.guitar.amps with all the garbage we have to wade through there.
It functions as the site's sewer.
Much of the irratic, vindictive and subrational "moderation" in the various
boards is not done by Chris at all but rather the various other people with
DOB power. A couple are just frustrated weirdos with God complexes, as
moderators tend to be.
If you can keep your posts on a non-personal, objective, civilized level,
you can do an immense amount of criticism of Fender when they deserve it
without getting your posts killed. I've done tons of it.
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(Bongolation) wrote:
>> If "war talk" is removed, it should all be removed, pro or con.
>
>It was and should have been.
>
>The biggest waste on the FDP is the non-gear, non-music forum ("Moe's")
>which is a dead loss that consumes most of the site's resources and creates
>most of its problems. Chris put it there grudgingly so non-gear posts
>wouldn't befoul the real discussion areas. If he hadn't, they would be
>like alt.guitar.amps with all the garbage we have to wade through there.
>It functions as the site's sewer.
>
>Much of the irratic, vindictive and subrational "moderation" in the various
>boards is not done by Chris at all but rather the various other people with
>DOB power. A couple are just frustrated weirdos with God complexes, as
>moderators tend to be.
>
>If you can keep your posts on a non-personal, objective, civilized level,
>you can do an immense amount of criticism of Fender when they deserve it
>without getting your posts killed. I've done tons of it.
Exactly!
And well stated!
Frank Hudson
more and better political discussion on a political discussion site or
better auto mileage stuff on an automobile/transportation site? Makes
sense to me and it's be something I'd probably ape if I was moved to set
up such a site or was looking for information or debate.
I honestly don't know the political opinions of many of the posters
there, but I suspect that many disagree with my opinions which aren't
particularly political correct these days. It's a blessing as far as I
can see that I can go there and discuss non-political topics. I've had,
and will hopefully have, plenty of other places to do political
organizing etc.
Would you go into a garage and ask the mechanics why they weren't busy
praying when any fool can see that spiritual matters are more important
that a transmission overhaul? And then go to a church and ask why
they're discussing ethereal subjects when what you need to know right
now is what the correct oil filter is for a '95 Golf GTI? (And that
idiot preacher thinks it's the same that used on the regular Golf!
Sheesh!).
As they say on South Park: There's a time and place for everything, and
that's college.
-Frank Hudson
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The FDP is woefully populated with hangars-on that have nothing to say. Lok for yourself & see the topics of a dying forum.
Sad & shameful - give 'em one more year, then POOF!, gone for good & Chris Greene has to beg elsewhere for his free lunch