Ozzy's best guitarist? Ozzy's worst guitarist?
JCM900
For that matter who was the worst guitarist to play with him?
Brent Huiberts
Lee--I love the solos on "The Ultimate Sin"
Brent Huiberts
huib...@silk.net
JCM900 wrote in message <368C11...@mauimail.com>...
John Huff
>
>So who was the best guitarist ever to play with Ozzy Ozbourne.
>For that matter who was the worst guitarist to play with him?
>
material of them all, IMO.
No comment on the worst.
Daniel
Teryaki
> So who was the best guitarist ever to play with Ozzy Ozbourne.
> For that matter who was the worst guitarist to play with him?
Jeez. What a crop to choose from. :)
The best? Well, I'm gonna go with Zakk Wylde here. For me it's more a
personal preference than a critical choice. Tony Ionni and Randy Rhoads
are/were incredible players, who both had profound and permanent impact on
the instrument. But I guess I just like Wylde more. Maybe it's the
EMP-equipped Les Paul. Maybe it's just 'cause "No More Tears" is my
absolute fav Ozzy album. I dunno.
The worst? Hmm... I'm inclined to say Jake E. Lee, but the his current
touring guitarist (what's his name?) doesn't impress me too much either.
But they've all been at least pretty good.
Tery
"It's not a bald spot, it's a solar panel for my electric personality."
-Red Green
Chuck Stroud
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Teryaki
<chuc...@NOSPAMgreenwood.net> wrote:
> Whoever played guitar on Bark At The Moon...was it Randy or Jake?
Jake E. Lee
STRATQUEEN
>I don't know about best, but my favorite Ozzy guitarist is / was Jake E.
>Lee--I love the solos on "The Ultimate Sin"
I know this is awful but I can't remember who was playing lead when I saw them
in the early 70s. I really did like Randy Rhoads. He seemed to have a great
rapport with Ozzy, but Tony is really incredible. He doesn't look bad either,
now in his late 40s or early 50s!
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Rocket
> So who was the best guitarist ever to play with Ozzy Ozbourne.
> For that matter who was the worst guitarist to play with him?
everyone is Forgetting about Brad Gillis on the live album.......YUK
and Joe Holmes sucks
My fave is Zakk
Cybermonk
>> For that matter who was the worst guitarist to play with him?
>everyone is Forgetting about Brad Gillis on the live album.......YUK
I like that album, and saw that tour. Brad Gillis did well considering how
little preparation time he had.
Geomac
>
> I don't know about best, but my favorite Ozzy guitarist is / was Jake E.
> Lee--I love the solos on "The Ultimate Sin"
>
My favorite was Randy Rhoads.
The only one I didn't care for that much was the Dan guy, who was only there
for a very short time. He didn't come in to his own as a player until he got
the Dokken gig, I thought.
pH
Carlginger
>I like that album, and saw that tour. Brad Gillis did well considering how
>little preparation time he had.
>
>
>
I agree, he filled in quite well.
Brad is a great guitar player, IMO.
Carl
Polfus
>From: carlg...@aol.com (Carlginger)
Anyone that judges Brad Gillis based on their introduction to him with
"NightRanger" is doing themselves an injustice, even though they were a *huge*
success...especially due to MTV.
For *amazing* guitar work, "Speak Of The Devil" is a *must*.
My order for work with **Ozzy** is ( in not necessarily my favorite order ):
1) Tony Iommi
2) Randy Rhoads
3) Brad Gillis
4) the skinny kid with the Strat ( can't remember his name )
5) Zakk Wylde
Peace,
Polfus
Armitage
<huib...@silk.net> wrote:
>I don't know about best, but my favorite Ozzy guitarist is / was Jake E.
>Lee--I love the solos on "The Ultimate Sin"
>
>Brent Huiberts
>huib...@silk.net
>
My favorite was Jake too! Though I can't say I liked anything he's
done since. I do think Zakk is technically a better player though,
Jake just played what I wanted to hear better.
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>My favorite was Jake too! Though I can't say I liked anything he's
>done since. I do think Zakk is technically a better player though,
>Jake just played what I wanted to hear better.
Zakk couldn't come up with material like Randy Rhoads did on the first two Ozzy
albums if he practiced another 20 years.
Zakk is great, Randy was way ahead
of anything Zakk could hope to be.
Randy forged his own style and sound when EVH was the biggest thing
going...back then.
Carl
Grapes
Randy was #1 with ease and I mean he was an innovator without peer at the
time.
Zakk Wylde is an incredibly talented player yet he plays the same licks over
and over.....
Jake never floated my boat. Sorry Jake.
Brad Gillis did an excellent job. If you knew the background on how that gig
came about, you would
appreciate his work on that album way more. Listening to it now, I have a
new found respect for his talents.
Ozzy needs to pull some kid out of the gutter somewhere. That is how he has
built his career thus far.
dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun < the intro to crazy train
in easy to understand
Klondike tab.
Geomac wrote in message <368D0AEC...@mail.rancho.cc.ca.us>...
>Brent Huiberts wrote:
>>
>> I don't know about best, but my favorite Ozzy guitarist is / was Jake E.
>> Lee--I love the solos on "The Ultimate Sin"
>>
>
>
Hay...@noplace.com
with. BAR NONE!! He could do it it all. I was fortunate enough to see
him 2 day's B-4 he died, on the Diary of a madman world tour. The band
had just started kicking "Crazy Train" when snap, Randy busts a string
on the white Les Paul...Ozzy looks over at him at the same time, and you
could read his lips "oh fuck" I believe it was, anyhow Randy waved him
off, to keep going, which they did, and he played the song in it's
entirety, solo and all with this string flying around in his
face...FUCKING AMAZING! (I was sitting on the 3rd row, directly in front
of Randy at the time) Let me tell you folks, I've seen everyone you can
see live, and this was by far the best show I have ever seen. Not to
mention I was in the crowd at his next to last show!! (bUMMER!) RANDY
RHODES IS GOD!!
freightGOD
TBoling125
>
>1) Tony Iommi
>2) Randy Rhoads
>3) Brad Gillis
>4) the skinny kid with the Strat ( can't remember his name )
You talking about Jake E. Lee? He loved using older Charvels.
Kramer Krazy,
Terry
John Huff
(TBoling125) writes:
>
>>My order for work with **Ozzy** is ( in not necessarily my favorite
order ):
>>
>>1) Tony Iommi
>>2) Randy Rhoads
>>3) Brad Gillis
>>4) the skinny kid with the Strat ( can't remember his name )
>
>You talking about Jake E. Lee? He loved using older Charvels.
>
There is also Joe Holmes, the most recent guy. He used an old, beat up
70's 'burst strat w/ a Floyd and a humbucker when I saw Ozzy a
couple/few years back. He played the Randy stuff really well, and had
a real nice, ballsy Marshall sound. Good player, would have liked to
hear him on an Ozz album, to see what he really sounds like on his own.
I thought Jake sounded better on the Badlands stuff, myself.
Daniel
Cybermonk
As far as creativity, composition, and inspiration, Randy Rhoads wins
hands-down. There was a magic chemistry between Ozzy and Rhoads, and I am
not just referring to the LSD. I rate the first two Ozzy solo albums as 10,
and all the rest as 5. The first two will always remain classic albums; the
rest will be forgotten. Diary of a Madman is also a philosophically
important album, as it is a coherent drama that deals heavily with using
psychedelics to investigate the problematic nature of self-control, a topic
of serious personal interest to Ozzy, an alcoholic.
http://www.cybtrans.com/egodeath -- Allusions to mystic altered state
phenomena in acid-rock lyrics, including Black Sabbath and Ozzy Osbourne's
first two albums
Blackened
Hey, which string was the one that broke??
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STRATQUEEN
vidguy
comet there. Brad did an amazing job considering he got the job and was
playing less then a month after the auditions. He is a very versatile
guitarist. And a nice guy, He grew up near me, tried to show me few
licks once.. They didn't take.. :)
James
Phantom Post
>Anyone that judges Brad Gillis based on their introduction to him with
>"NightRanger" is doing themselves an injustice, even though they were a *huge*
>success...especially due to MTV.
Night Ranger material was indeed marginal but I always enjoyed both of those
guitar players, Jeff Watson being the other one. Quite the one-two punch.
Fill me in. Was BG the quickie replacement when RR died? Is that what the
lack of prep time story is about?
PAT
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"Brent Huiberts" <huib...@silk.net> wrote:
> I don't know about best, but my favorite Ozzy guitarist is / was Jake E.
> Lee--I love the solos on "The Ultimate Sin"
Jake E. Lee did some truly fine playing on the Badlands albums as well.
Utterly sublime fretburning.
--
Robert Adams
> Brent Huiberts
> huib...@silk.net
>
> JCM900 wrote in message <368C11...@mauimail.com>...
> >So who was the best guitarist ever to play with Ozzy Ozbourne.
> >For that matter who was the worst guitarist to play with him?
> >
>
>
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vidguy
contemporary of Brads. His name was Pat Thrall. I remember seeing them
play at parties and clubs. He was very good as well. Anyone know if he
is playing? Heard his name? I know Brad had an album a few years ago
called Gilrock Ranch.
James
John Stanley
Polfus wrote in message <19990101162658...@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>>Subject: Re: Ozzy's best guitarist? Ozzy's worst guitarist?
>>From: carlg...@aol.com (Carlginger)
>
>>>I like that album, and saw that tour. Brad Gillis did well considering
how
>>>little preparation time he had.
>>>
>>I agree, he filled in quite well.
>>Brad is a great guitar player, IMO.
>>
>>Carl
>
>"NightRanger" is doing themselves an injustice, even though they were a
*huge*
>success...especially due to MTV.
>
>
Fully agree, that album is one of my all time favs. It definitely put a
whole new perspective on Brad's playing for me. And.... they finally
remastered all of Ozzy's older stuff and put Sweet Leaf on the SOTD CD a few
years back. They cut it from the CD list before and was only available on
tape and probably vinyl.
Just like they snipped "Phantom of the Opera" from the CD song list of Iron
Maiden's Live After Death. I went through 3 or 4 of those ultra thin 100
minute tapes.......
oops, veering way off topic
john
John Stanley
Cybermonk wrote in message <76jrp5$t3a$4...@dns2.serv.net>...
>>>My favorite was Jake too! Though I can't say I liked anything he's
>>>done since. I do think Zakk is technically a better player though,
>>>Jake just played what I wanted to hear better.
>
Ozzy
>>albums if he practiced another 20 years.
>>Zakk is great, Randy was way ahead
>>of anything Zakk could hope to be.
>>Randy forged his own style and sound when EVH was the biggest thing
>>going...back then.
>
>
>As far as creativity, composition, and inspiration, Randy Rhoads wins
>hands-down. There was a magic chemistry between Ozzy and Rhoads, and I am
>not just referring to the LSD. I rate the first two Ozzy solo albums as
10,
>and all the rest as 5. The first two will always remain classic albums;
the
>rest will be forgotten. Diary of a Madman is also a philosophically
>important album, as it is a coherent drama that deals heavily with using
>psychedelics to investigate the problematic nature of self-control, a topic
>of serious personal interest to Ozzy, an alcoholic.
>
Wow, interesting. Do you know, by chance, what SATO stands for?
Rob Jokinen
I remember one of the first riffs I tried to learn was Rock and Roll Rebel
from
the Guitar for the Practicing Musician...
Chuck Stroud wrote in message <76hs30$cd6$1...@remarQ.com>...
>Whoever played guitar on Bark At The Moon...was it Randy or Jake?
>
>
>JCM900 wrote in message <368C11...@mauimail.com>...
>>So who was the best guitarist ever to play with Ozzy Ozbourne.
nam...@earthlink.net
Its RANDY RHOADS all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~*Freebird*~
>
>What has happend to our great axeman ????+
I heard Ozzy accidentally bit his head off while drunk. I don't know which
head....
Rob
JCM900
So what you're saying is that my Nirvana vs Spice Girls question
was more intelligent than this one. Thanks for the support!
Jaco
Jaco
JCM900 ha scritto nel messaggio <368C11...@mauimail.com>...
Geomac
>
> There was another great guitar player from our town that was a
> contemporary of Brads. His name was Pat Thrall. I remember seeing them
> play at parties and clubs. He was very good as well. Anyone know if he
> is playing? Heard his name?
I saw him as the second guitarist with Pat Travers' band one time.
phil
Cybermonk
>Cybermonk wrote in message <76jrp5$t3a$4...@dns2.serv.net>...
>>>>My favorite was Jake too! Though I can't say I liked anything he's
>>As far as creativity, composition, and inspiration, Randy Rhoads wins
>>hands-down.
I wasn't considering Iommi, there. I got the impression the question was
about the guitarists for Ozzy's solo albums, not Sabbath albums.
>> There was a magic chemistry between Ozzy and Rhoads, and I am
>>not just referring to the LSD. I rate the first two Ozzy solo albums as
>10,
>>and all the rest as 5. The first two will always remain classic albums;
>the
>>rest will be forgotten. Diary of a Madman is also a philosophically
>>important album, as it is a coherent drama that deals heavily with using
>>psychedelics to investigate the problematic nature of self-control, a topic
>>of serious personal interest to Ozzy, an alcoholic.
>>
>Wow, interesting. Do you know, by chance, what SATO stands for?
S.A.T.O.
Now I will find peace of mind
Finally found a way of thinking
Tried the rest found the best
Stormy day won't find me sinking
I can't conceal it like I know I did before
I got to tell you now the ship is ready [ship = doses]
Waiting on the shore. [sung "shelf"]
Dare to look face the test on the eve
When you set sailing
What you've learned what you've earned
Ship of joy will stop you failing.
I can't conceal it like I know I did before
I got to tell you now the ship is ready
Waiting on the shore.
Wind is high so am I [on large LSD dose]
As the shore sinks in the distance.
Dreams unfold seek the gold.
Gold that's brighter than sunlight. [pure light, awareness fdbk]
Sail away see the day
Dawning on a new horizon [tripped all night, rebirth]
Gold's insight shining bright
Brighter than the sun that's rising.
3000 sails on high are straining in the wind
A raging sea below is this voyage coming to an end. [risk total instability
of self-control]
Possible words:
S sailing satan
A at acid
T the trip
O ocean
I have thought a lot about this and the only plausible expansion I've found
is Sailing the Acid Trip Ocean, which is perfectly plausible. If *I* can't
figure out this abbreviation, with all my background in acid-lyrics
interpretation, then it's unreasonably difficult. I have not asked about
this in the Sabbath newsgroup.
The song describes a peak of an LSD session conducted by a veteran tripper
who has become obsessed with issues of self-control and loss of control. He
is trying to gain self-control and cure himself of the standard mental-mode
of self-defeating thinking. He is caught in perpetual mental arm-wrestling
and is trying to think his way to a better system of thinking. He knows
that the ordinary way of thinking is subtly fraught with this same problem.
But this problem is intensified to the breakdown/breakthrough point in the
alcoholic who uses full-intensity psychedelics (ten hits of LSD) in his
arsenal frequently, over a period of years, in the struggle to stop
self-defeating thinking and gain full control over his own thoughts and
actions.
This pattern and dramatic quest for self-mastery applies not just to
alcoholics, and alcoholism is not alluded to in the album's story; this
pattern of struggling and the quest for a breakthrough, a "way of thinking",
applies to general control-aholics, such as a Zen monk struggling to control
his own thoughts and control his own self-control. It's a satanic quest for
total self-determination, to really be one's own governor and controller,
one's own creator of thoughts and actions. Psychedelics seem to extend the
promise of such independence of thinking and actions, but at the peak, one
experiences a radical freedom, or rather, a crazy lack of constraint,
belonging to a "little doll", a helpless puppet that is completely a product
of the all-encompassing, timeless, predetermined block-universe (compare the
song Twilight Zone, by Rush).
I very much would like to know who in the group was involved in this way of
using LSD. Did Randy Rhoads often play guitar while on LSD? Was this just
Ozzy's trip, since he has definitely struggled with alcoholism, which is
essentially self-control wrestling?
Ivgor The Great
Jake E. Lee
But where is Jake today ????????
What has happend to our great axeman ????+
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>
>RANDY RHOADS is the greatest, and the worst is probably Joe Holmes
Why do you believe Holmes is the worst?
All I got to go by is one live show, and he held his own allright.
What are you judging him based on?
From what I heard, he certainly showed potential. He also played on a
DLR tour, but again, all I heard was from one Ozz show.
Daniel
John Huff
>I saw him as the second guitarist with Pat Travers' band one time.
>
FWIW, Pat came to Dallas (actually Lewisville) a little over a year
ago, and played a tiny local bar (i.e.-a bar my cover band was playing
regularly-located outside 'town' and in a shopping center no less).
I would have though he would have drawn a much better venue...
We, according to the old drummer, 'almost' got the opening slot.
Daniel
STRATQUEEN
<<FWIW, Pat came to Dallas (actually Lewisville) a little over a year
ago, and played a tiny local bar (i.e.-a bar my cover band was playing
regularly-located outside 'town' and in a shopping center no less).
I would have though he would have drawn a much better venue...>>
Damn! I used to live in Lewisville in the early 70s (708 Valley Parkway), and
the town was DRY in those days. The Baptists were in control then. Do you
live there now? Was the bar you played at in the little strip mall where the
Piggly Wiggly is located! ;-)
John Huff
strat...@aol.comNOSPAM (STRATQUEEN) writes:
>
>Danie (John Huff) wrote:
>
><<FWIW, Pat came to Dallas (actually Lewisville) a little over a year
>ago, and played a tiny local bar (i.e.-a bar my cover band was playing
>regularly-located outside 'town' and in a shopping center no less).
>I would have though he would have drawn a much better venue...>>
>
>Damn! I used to live in Lewisville in the early 70s (708 Valley
Parkway), and
>the town was DRY in those days. The Baptists were in control then.
Do you
>live there now?
No, I live in the 'burbs E of Dallas. Lewisville is 'bout 45 min from
home.
I don't think there are many (if one) other bar/s in Lewisville, but I
admit the only times I have even been there were to play at the bar in
question. Interestingly, the last time we played there, there was a
crowd of bikers...not quite what I expected. Didn't expect Pat Travers
to be doing a gig there, either.
Was the bar you played at in the little strip mall where the
>Piggly Wiggly is located! ;-)
Hmmm...well it looked like a pretty recent (amd small, and vacant)
shopping center, probably hasn't been around since the early '70s. It
was off the Lake Park rd. exit (if I remeber correctly...), right off
of 35. BTW, Lewisville now has more than a Piggly Wiggly-lots of fast
food, department stores (besides the KMart), ect.
Best thing was the Marshall cab-height wall that surrounds the stage,
allowing 'healthy' stage volume withou pissing off the bartender too
bad.
Daniel
vidguy
But that was a while ago huh?.. What ever became of Pat Travers.. strip
malls in Lewisville!?? I remember reading a magazine interview with Pat
Travers and he said he was really fussy about tuning and pitch. He
trashed the song LAYLA 'cause the slide in it is so outta key..
And you know it is kinda sloppy at the end there But I would never trash
the tune..
James
> vidguy wrote:
> >
> > There was another great guitar player from our town that was a
> > contemporary of Brads. His name was Pat Thrall. I remember seeing them
> > play at parties and clubs. He was very good as well. Anyone know if he
> > is playing? Heard his name?
>
> I saw him as the second guitarist with Pat Travers' band one time.
>
> phil
A1...@webtv.net
still around. Check out his releases on Blues Bureau
Records-some kick ass rockin/blues.Pats always been
around-its just that he has been ignored by the
mainstream rock press. Some rumors flying arund say that
Pat may have signed with Virgin or CMC records,and may
be getting back into a harder rock,2 guitar sound.
Mike Schenk
>So who was the best guitarist ever to play with Ozzy Ozbourne.
>
>Jake E. Lee
>
>But where is Jake today ????????
>
>What has happend to our great axeman ????+
I remember reading somewhere (probably the Dutch magazine "Aardschok")
that a new Badlands album will be released shortly.
Mike
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the rest just tried to sound like him!
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John Huff wrote in message <76mq9p$1...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>...
>In <76m9pb$sfr$1...@nslave1.tin.it> "Jaco" <fao...@tin.it> writes:
>>
>>RANDY RHOADS is the greatest, and the worst is probably Joe Holmes
>
>
>Why do you believe Holmes is the worst?
>All I got to go by is one live show, and he held his own allright.
<snip!>
>He also played on a
>DLR tour, but again, all I heard was from one Ozz show.
I saw hm with both Ozzy and DLR and even though I know it's not easy to
reproduce what Randy Rhoads, Steve Vai and Eddie Van Halen created, I don't
think he did a very good job. There must be hundreds of guitarists out there
who can do it better. It can't be just coincidence that he has been in
Ozzy's and DLR's bands, and also in Lizzy Borden, and didn't play on any
record or write any songs.
The Lizzy Borden album is the only where he is listed as band member but in
interviews mr Borden said that "all the dual guitars were done by one guy
and that was Gene (Allen)"...
STRATQUEEN
>I remember reading a magazine interview with Pat
>Travers and he said he was really fussy about tuning and pitch. He
>trashed the song LAYLA 'cause the slide in it is so outta key..
>
>And you know it is kinda sloppy at the end there But I would never trash
>the tune..
I've heard TWO stories about why Duane's slide was so off on that song. The
first story was that he was totally wasted. The second story was that the
wanted the slide to sound less than perfect, because Eric was trying to convey
through the music how tortured he felt about not being able to make Patty
Harrison his woman. Eric is known for being a perfectionist and I can't
imagine him keeping those slide tracks unless he really thought they were right
for the record.
What do you think?
Donald Put
> What do you think?
I think Duane's playing fit the song perfectly. Whenever I listen to the album, it
always gives me the feeling of being there in the room while they were playing.
Yeah, there's *technical* problems, but to me the bottom line is the communication
of feelings, and there's no doubt they succeeded in doing that very well. One of
the things that bothers me about most contemporary music is the over-processed
feeling to it. Sometimes, I just like to put on Elvis' _Sun_Sessions_ and just
marvel at the raw energy and how good it makes me feel to *be* there. I seldom
have that feeling of immediacy when listening to music today.
Cheers,
--
Don
Idyllwild Brewing Company (home-brewed beer and tube guitar amps)
Carlginger
>imagine him keeping those slide tracks unless he really thought they were
>right
>for the record.
>
>What do you think?
>
>--Sharon
I think if I NEVER hear Layla again, it will be much too soon.
I turn it off instantly on the radio and don't own ant version of it.
Carl
vidguy
interesting theoies. The reason never occurred to me. I just assumed it
was a bad session for Duane, (read: wasted). And that they either ran
out of time, money or patience... But the could be more to it then that.
Your tortured emotion theory sounds more plausible in light of Eric's
known perfectionism and Duane's otherwise dead on, melodic and perfectly
in tune/time slide playing on all of his other recordings. I agree that
the rawness of the old recordings is great. I especially love most of
the tunes on the Duane Allman anthology.
Great bit of insight. Thanks!
James
Andrew P. Mullhaupt
STRATQUEEN wrote in message <19990103121713...@ng21.aol.com>...
>Vid...@home.com wrote:
>I've heard TWO stories about why Duane's slide was so off on that song.
The
>first story was that he was totally wasted.
I vote for wasted. Very few musicians of that caliber would resort to bad
playing to convey agony.
You get this with Lowell George - toward the end he wasn't always on his
game, and I think the chemicals which eventually did him in were a big
factor. But if you listen to stuff like "Long Distance Love" or "20 Million
Things to Do" you don't hear a note out of place.
Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
Donald Put
> I think if I NEVER hear Layla again, it will be much too soon.
> I turn it off instantly on the radio and don't own ant version of it.
Agreed. I, too, am burned out on "Layla," but there's other songs on the
album that I still enjoy hearing (perhaps because they haven't been played to
death on the radio).
FrankF
Cybermonk wrote in message <76mh0q$bnt$5...@dns2.serv.net>...
I always thought it just stood for "Sailing Across The Ocean." Boy, am I
dumb!
Cybermonk
Sailing Across The Ocean
Sailing the Acid-Trip Ocean
There is a desirable ambiguity between these two. Such ambiguity is the
rule in acid-rock lyrics. It is likely that such ambiguity or flipping was
intended, or else the title would have been simply spelled out.
A = Acid would be a highly desirable coding, for this subject matter. When
you want to refer to "acid" in a hidden way, using the abbreviation 'A'
would be perfect. What would be the purpose of abbreviating the title
"Sailing Across the Ocean"? The purpose of abbreviating the title "S...
Acid T... O..." would be to encode and hide the word "acid".
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Kim Naru [CONTRACTOR]
: So who was the best guitarist ever to play with Ozzy Ozbourne.
: For that matter who was the worst guitarist to play with him?
Randy Rhoades. Check out the song Crazy Train.
--kim
DC
incredible players. I am not very familiar with the guy who replaced
Zakk, though. He didn't seem to shine. But that could be due to the fact
that Ozzy, as a solo artists, really doesn't have much to offer any more
IMO.
-DC
Teryaki
> that Ozzy, as a solo artists, really doesn't have much to offer any more
> IMO.
He's just at a creative low right now. Him and everyone else in rock. :P
Tery
Charlie Broussard x1525
: So who was the best guitarist ever to play with Ozzy Ozbourne.
: But where is Jake today ????????
: What has happend to our great axeman ????+
i thought i read somewhere that a new badlands album was coming. i want
to know who will be singing on it if that's true.
--
charlie
Curtis Rea
>i thought i read somewhere that a new badlands album was coming. i want
>to know who will be singing on it if that's true.
I think the album will have old b-sides and demos so I'm guessing Ray Gillen
will be on most if not all of the songs. I heard the album was coming out
in Japan in December (later in the US) so maybe you can find it already.
Curtis
Edwin van den Kieboom
Rocket wrote:
> In article <368C11...@mauimail.com>, JCM900@mauimail..com wrote:
>
> > So who was the best guitarist ever to play with Ozzy Ozbourne.
> > For that matter who was the worst guitarist to play with him?
>
> everyone is Forgetting about Brad Gillis on the live album.......YUK
> and Joe Holmes sucks
>
You forgot Bernie Torme!
JCM900
>
> > In article <368C11...@mauimail.com>, JCM900@mauimail..com wrote:
> >
> > > So who was the best guitarist ever to play with Ozzy Ozbourne.
> > > For that matter who was the worst guitarist to play with him?
> >
>
> You forgot Bernie Torme!
That seems to be the logical direction for this thread. Who was
better, Mel Torme or Bernie Torme. Is Mel Torme still alive and
if so would he make a better lead vocalist for Iron Maiden than
Blaze Bailey.
Andrew P. Mullhaupt
JCM900 wrote in message <369308...@mauimail.com>...
>That seems to be the logical direction for this thread. Who was
>better, Mel Torme or Bernie Torme.
Mel, by a long chalk.
>Is Mel Torme still alive and
>if so would he make a better lead vocalist for Iron Maiden than
>Blaze Bailey.
Of course, but Tony Bennett would be even better. It's going to take more
than Pat Boone to revive metal.
Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
Ed Jankovsky
: In <76m9pb$sfr$1...@nslave1.tin.it> "Jaco" <fao...@tin.it> writes:
: >
: >RANDY RHOADS is the greatest, and the worst is probably Joe Holmes
: Why do you believe Holmes is the worst?
: All I got to go by is one live show, and he held his own allright.
: What are you judging him based on?
: From what I heard, he certainly showed potential. He also played on a
: DLR tour, but again, all I heard was from one Ozz show.
I'd have to agree with this as well, Holmes hasn't been given a fair
chance to show what he can do with Ozzy in a creative situation. It's
been filling in the touring slot so far. I've gotten so bored with Zakk
including half of No More Tears. I can't stand another slow boring
semi-ballad song... *sigh*
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Edwin van den Kieboom
"Andrew P. Mullhaupt" wrote:
For your information: Bernie Tormé played 2 weeks in Ozzy's band after the
death of Randy Rhoads in 1982.
And yes, Tony Bennett would be a nice replacement for that Blaze-thing.
Ed
Andrew P. Mullhaupt
Edwin van den Kieboom wrote in message <3693C36E...@casema.net>...
>
>
>"Andrew P. Mullhaupt" wrote:
>
>> JCM900 wrote in message <369308...@mauimail.com>...
>>
>> >That seems to be the logical direction for this thread. Who was
>> >better, Mel Torme or Bernie Torme.
>>
>> Mel, by a long chalk.
>>
>death of Randy Rhoads in 1982.
That's just because they couldn't spell Mel correctly at the time.
Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
Martin Hazelbower
Sabbath?
Best -- Suicide Solution, Crazy Train, Iron Man, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath,
A National Acrobat
Worst (by a SHITLOAD) -- Changes
--
Martin
~*Freebird*~
>Who wrote the Sabbath songs - the drummer?
>
Just think how lame War Pigs woulda been without Ward's killer skin bashing.
Rob
Ryan
>
> What would you all say is his best/worst song, either on his own or in
> Sabbath?
>
Best: Crazy Train, No More Tears, Black Sabbath, Flying High Again, Bark
at the Moon
Worst: Back on Earth, Time after Time
"Simon says go fuck yourself" George Carlin
Joy Wingert
Worst: Changes
Brent Huiberts
huib...@silk.net
Martin Hazelbower wrote in message ...
Les Cargill
"Andrew P. Mullhaupt" wrote:
>
> JCM900 wrote in message <369308...@mauimail.com>...
>
> >That seems to be the logical direction for this thread. Who was
> >better, Mel Torme or Bernie Torme.
>
> Mel, by a long chalk.
>
> >Is Mel Torme still alive and
> >if so would he make a better lead vocalist for Iron Maiden than
> >Blaze Bailey.
>
> Of course, but Tony Bennett would be even better. It's going to take more
> than Pat Boone to revive metal.
Yeah, like alchemy or something.
>
> Later,
> Andrew Mullhaupt
--
Les Cargill
http://home.att.net/~lcargill/
Cybermonk
>What would you all say is his best/worst song, either on his own or in
>Sabbath?
>Best -- Suicide Solution, Crazy Train, Iron Man, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath,
>A National Acrobat
>Worst (by a SHITLOAD) -- Changes
Who wrote the Sabbath songs - the drummer?
I respect the song Changes - but I skip past it. Same thing, exactly, with
the song on Rush's Signals album, about the loss of artistic inspiration.
The latter is just so out of place, and depressing.
There are many great, less well known Sabbath songs. Shockwave is one of
the most heavy acid-trip songs, from Never Say Die. The Sabotage album as a
whole is their most artistically interesting. One of their sludgiest songs
is Into the Void, from Master of Reality. I really like the song about
intoxicating flowers near the beginning of the album "Black Sabbath".
I would have to list all their songs and rate them (as I have done with the
Pumpkins) to determine the best ones.
>--
>Martin
dclxvi
Paul.Guitar so intelligently wrote:
> The best guitarist Ozzy ever to play with Ozzy was TONY IOMMI of course
> ....
> the rest just tried to sound like him!
This is a point that cannot be argued, as all of the greatest metal riffs
were written by Tony Iommi.
Polfus
Examples:
All four of them ( Iommi/ Osbourne/ Butler/ Ward ) wrote and are credited as
such on songs like "Black Sabbath", "The Wizard", "Paranoid", "War Pigs", "Iron
Man", "Fairies Wear Boots", "Sweet Leaf", "Children Of The Grave", "Sabbath
Bloody Sabbath", and "N.I.B.", to name a few.
Peace,
Polfus
Jeff Ganaposki
Worst? I'm not sure...
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Teryaki
>Sabbath?
I'm not gonna say what his best is, but far and away I'd say his worst is
that collaboration with The Crystal Method on the South Park album. Bleh.
:P
Tery
Loki
wrote:
>What would you all say is his best/worst song, either on his own or in
>Sabbath?
>
>Best -- Suicide Solution, Crazy Train, Iron Man, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath,
>A National Acrobat
>
>Worst (by a SHITLOAD) -- Changes
Best: Diary of a Madman
Worst: Changes
>--
>Martin
--
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"And hold there is no sin but ignorance." - Marlowe, "Jew of Malta"
Paul.Guitar
after that there is the immortal Randy Rhoads.........
Cybermonk
Revelation Mother Earth
An awful song:
The Hard Road, from Never Say Die.
Also one I skip every time is:
No Bone Movies
What a blemish on an otherwise awesome album, particularly the tiresome,
repeated part at the end.
Curtis Rea
Best: Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Worst: Mama I'm Coming Home (if I was his mama I'd leave home)
Curtis
Cybermonk
>Curtis
Peripherally related to this thread:
I'm making a list of Sab/Ozz drug songs.
Cocaine: Snowblind
LSD: Shock Wave, Over the Mountain, Little Dolls, S.A.T.O
Marijuana: Sweet Leaf
Heroin: Hand of Doom
Opium: "deadly petals" song near start of Black Sabbath album
Alcohol: Suicide Solution
Others?
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lyrics
Mike Schenk
>
>Also one I skip every time is:
>No Bone Movies
>What a blemish on an otherwise awesome album, particularly the tiresome,
>repeated part at the end.
Oh no, I like that one, it's sort of like good old rock 'n' roll with a
nasty twist...
Mike
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>Martin Hazelbower wrote:
>>
>> What would you all say is his best/worst song, either on his own or in
>> Sabbath?
>>
Best: Wannabe
Worst: Smells Like Teen Spirit
Loki
wrote:
>"Curtis Rea" <cr...@techplus.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Best: Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
>>Worst: Mama I'm Coming Home (if I was his mama I'd leave home)
>
>>Curtis
>
>
>Peripherally related to this thread:
>
>I'm making a list of Sab/Ozz drug songs.
>
>Cocaine: Snowblind
>LSD: Shock Wave, Over the Mountain, Little Dolls, S.A.T.O
>Marijuana: Sweet Leaf
>Heroin: Hand of Doom
>Opium: "deadly petals" song near start of Black Sabbath album
>Alcohol: Suicide Solution
Alcohol: Demon Alcohol off of No Rest for the Wicked.
I'd have to question your choices for LSD, aside from perhaps Over the
Mountain. Shock Wave seems to be more about some sort of spiritual
possession than drugs, Over the Mountain seems to me to be about
finding magic within yourself ("don't need no astrology, it's inside
of you and me"), Little Dolls is about how we make our own destinies
in life - there are no voodoo dolls that force bad luck unto us. SATO
seems to be just a simple song about Sailing Across The Ocean in
search of gold, possibly inspired by Ozzy reading about pirates or
something like that.
I would also add "Flying High Again," probably about weed.
>Others?
>
>____________________________________
>http://www.cybtrans.com/egodeath -- Altered-state allusions in acid rock
>lyrics
--
Michael Lucas
That would be "Behind the Wall of Sleep," one of their best songs, IMO... Just
love that solo, simple but effective.
Gatt
> >Cocaine: Snowblind
> >LSD: Shock Wave, Over the Mountain, Little Dolls, S.A.T.O
> of you and me"), Little Dolls is about how we make our own destinies
> in life - there are no voodoo dolls that force bad luck unto us. SATO
I disagree. It's more Ozzy to sing about voodoo, and the lyrics fit the
popular myths of voodoo ("the pins and needles prick the skin of little
dolls...your image in his hand is useless to try escaping his curses..."
blahblahblah). Not to say that there aren't multiple or deeper levels to
the song, but voodoo seems to be the most superficial level.
> seems to be just a simple song about Sailing Across The Ocean in
I've been told that S.A.T.O. is a maritime term by somebody out of
context with Ozzy. Damned if I know what it means, but it backs
your statement.
Chris Gattman ga...@europa.com
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"And what will they say when you're gone, that you conquered
That you burned like a rocket from the womb to the world?
That you ran with your colors and your flags unfurled,
That you ignited everything like a gasoline rain..." -Floater
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Cybermonk
>It's more Ozzy to sing about voodoo, and the lyrics fit the
>popular myths of voodoo ("the pins and needles prick the skin of little
>dolls...your image in his hand is useless to try escaping his curses..."
>blahblahblah). Not to say that there aren't multiple or deeper levels to
>the song, but voodoo seems to be the most superficial level.
In acid-rock lyrics, there are two layers: the superficial layer, and the
second layer, which uses double-entendres to allude to altered-state
phenomena such as time-stopping, perceptual strobing, concretization of
perception, suspension of ego as a cognitive structure and activity, merging
into unity, helpless puppethood relative to the ground of being, perception
of spacetime as a rigid, predetermined block, and loss or instability of
self-control. In the song "Little Dolls", voodoo is the superficial level;
the occluded level of meaning is about psychedelic loss of control and
feeling of being controlled by a higher power or underlying level of the
universe; that second level of meaning is revealed and communicated when the
listener is on LSD, experiencing those sort of phenomena.
>> seems to be just a simple song about Sailing Across The Ocean in
>I've been told that S.A.T.O. is a maritime term by somebody out of
>context with Ozzy. Damned if I know what it means, but it backs
>your statement.
Thank you. I will research "S.A.T.O." as a maritime term. Again, the
standard form of acid-rock lyrics is to subtly encode and hide the allusions
to LSD and its phenomena. Why name a song in such an obscure, confusing
way? To play with meanings, hide meanings, and open up another potential
layer of communication.
What does S.A.T.O. mean, as a maritime term?
On the album Caress of Steel, Rush has an extremely philosophically
important song comparable to SATO: "No One at the Helm". It is about the
loss of control by the cybernetic steersman at the peak of an LSD trip.
That song is the most important and significant song ever written, as far as
philosophy, mystic experiencing, and psychedelics. (And that album is the
overall most important album for that intersection of topics; that song is
the heart of that album.) Rush's first widely received album, 2112, was a
reaction to the fans' lack of understanding of the great album Caress of
Steel. Anyone who wants to appreciate 2112 *must* understand Caress of
Steel and why Rush was so upset by the lack of appreciation of it by "the
average" - the average rock fan.
In addition to Diary of a Madman and Caress of Steel, the other album that
is one of the top 3 LSD-oriented albums of all time is Metallica's Ride the
Lightning. The title is a direct allusion to tripping hard, and an
injunction to do so. The electric chair is LSD. There is just one song
that is somewhat out of place on that album: Creeping Death. The others all
have dense allusions to psychedelic phenomena. Ride the Lightning is
Metallica's only significantly LSD-oriented album, though Master of Puppets
has some allusions, including the album title. On the liner notes of Master
of Puppets, Metallica thanks Rush for "all their help", which likely
included training in acid phenomena. As far as the Rush albums through
Grace under Pressure, Rush remains the group that is most dedicated to acid
mysticism, acid philosophy, or acid enlightenment.
Allusions to the helpless doll phenomenon include:
The album name _Master of Puppets_, by Metallica.
The cover of _Farewell to Kings_ by Rush, which shows an immobile king
puppet on slack strings.
Rush: _2112_: "The Twilight Zone", about the experience of becoming the toy
of a huge controlling agent.
Ozzy Osbourne: _Diary of a Madman_: "Little Dolls".
It is likely that Metallica, Rush, and Ozzy consciously established a
language of LSD allusions among themselves. They extending the existing
language of acid allusion and brought it to its full realization. This
language has deep roots in rock music, including the Beatles and Hendrix.
http://www.cybtrans.com/egodeath -- Ego death in acid rock
Martin Hazelbower
te...@earthlink.net (Teryaki) wrote:
> >What would you all say is his best/worst song, either on his own or in
> >Sabbath?
>
> I'm not gonna say what his best is, but far and away I'd say his worst is
> that collaboration with The Crystal Method on the South Park album. Bleh.
> :P
>
> Tery
That one was sorta funny, I thought. Like a parody of himself.
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Known to some as the Dude
"No need to hear the things that you say
My life is my own to live my own way."
-Metallica
gerry garavaglia
>
> JCM900 wrote in message <369308...@mauimail.com>...
>
> >That seems to be the logical direction for this thread. Who was
> >better, Mel Torme or Bernie Torme.
>
> Mel, by a long chalk.
The Velvet Fog no doubt.
Gerry
