Why does everybody say that Boss pedals are crap?
Jolibois Didier
BossTone
Metal Zone-- and I've always been impressed with the construction as
well as the tone. That having been said, I've never owned a Boss
digital effect. I used to own a DOD digital delay (DFX9) that was
outstanding. Right now I'm using a Zoom 507 (digital
reverb+delay+chorus) what sounds fine, as well. I think digital, if
designed well, can sound nearly as well as analog. Listen to one of
the better DMAs-- the Yamaha DG series or the AXSYS 2-- and I think
you'll agree.
Boss
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Michael Porter
>
> Many, many people say that the boss pedals are crap.
Most people I know of do not say that. Most Boss pedals do exactly
what they say they will, and do it reasonably quietly with minimal
distortion (unless it *is* a distortion pedal). There are a lot of
boutique pedal manufacturers out there, and their offerings are a bit
different from Boss. Not necessarily better, but in some cases and
uses they might be. They certainly tend to COST more than Boss does.
Boss chorus, distortion, compression, delay, etc. pedals have been
used to good effect (pun intended) by professionals the world over.
So has TC Electronics, Fuller, Ibanez, and dozens more. It either
sounds like you want, or it doesn't. Some people swear by Boss
distortions, for example (Steve Vai being one), but others find the
other manufacturers' offering to be more to their liking. Tone is
SUCH a subjective thing; there is no "best".
Boss pedals are built strong. I don't like that little piece of
rubber that the screw holding the actual pedal down (to gain access
to the battery compartment) goes into, but since I don't use any
batteries, it doesn't matter to me. Other than that, they seem to
last forever.
A *lot* of guitarists will say, "This pedal sucks!", when what
they REALLY mean is, "I can't seem to get a good tone out of this,
and another brand works better for me." If it works for you, then
it's the right piece of equipment.
--
---Michael Porter (of GAMBIT)...
Axeman
"Jolibois Didier" <joli...@club-internet.fr> wrote:
> Many, many people say that the boss pedals are crap.
Who says that?... I'll kick their ass! ;o)
Actually, I find that most people seem to like Boss stuff, although I
agree with another poster who says that Boss has some good stuff and
some marginal stuff.
For instance, I used to own the Boss TR-2 Tremolo, but wasn't really too
turned on by it myself. On the other hand I've heard a lot of people who
say they love it. Generally I agree that Boss makes high quality and
durable products, but whether they sound good is something only you can
decide...
I own and recommend the following Boss pedals myself:
1) TU-2 auto tuner: Best damn tuner I've ever owned! Fast and accurate
(although quite a bit more expensive than most others).
2) DM-2 analog delay (discontinued). Warm analog delay/echo *(Just make
sure you place it AFTER the distortion)! The price for these keeps going
up, so if you see one for cheap, you'd better grab it quick!
> I can understand that the digital sound is bad, that analog is better,
> but I've also seen that many pro bands used Boss digital effects.
> Why, if it's as bad as this (I think that they can afford expensive
> pedals, so it's not a problem of price.) ?
>
> Maybe some sound good and some sound bad; but it seems that there's
> not a lot of boss digital pedals which sound good...
Well, I personally don't care for most digital effects myself, since
they tend to process your entire sound more than analog, which tends to
work along side your original tone more closely. I've listened to Boss's
digital delays (DD-5 I think) and didn't care for it at all (especially
compared to my DM-2).
On the other hand, I do have a couple digital effects that I really
like... for instance; I really like Danelectro's Fabtone distortion and
Daddy-O overdrive pedals which I believe are digitally based. I also own
Danelectro's Cool Cat chorus, which is ok (but not great) and their
DanEcho which I think sounds too digital, although it does have some
cool sounds.
> If it's true, why did they stop to make analog pedals?
Features maybe? Maybe digital is cheaper to make?... I dunno. All I know
is that I tend listen VERY closely when I know something is digital,
since I am quite skeptical on whether they can effectively replace their
analog counterparts. My basic opinion is that, if given a choice between
analog or digital pedals (of equal quality), I'd generally go for the
analog first.
I should add that it is true that analog effects tend to create a bit
more noise, so that should also be a factor in your decision. Digital
tends to be cleaner (I'll give them that much), although cleaner can
easily translate to sterile in my opinion.
One last thought: To the guy who mentioned DOD's FX-84 "Milkbox"
compressor, I agree... I really like this pedal (which is one of the few
DOD products I can say that about). I also like DOD's Classic Fuzz
pedal, and their EQ pedal works well - other than that, I can't really
say I'm a big DOD fan...
Good Luck!
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still in touch with the common frog... now let's
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Hello My Ragti
Flip
HPIMan
taste. Even the blues driver. I find a sans amp GT2 or Morley JD-10
plugged in fromt of an amps clean channel is better for my tastes. Note
that these are realy amp sims but I use them as overdrive pedals too.
Garrett
BossTone wrote:
> I've owned several Boss pedals over the years-- DS-1, Super Chorus,
> Metal Zone-- and I've always been impressed with the construction as
> well as the tone. That having been said, I've never owned a Boss
> digital effect. I used to own a DOD digital delay (DFX9) that was
> outstanding. Right now I'm using a Zoom 507 (digital
> reverb+delay+chorus) what sounds fine, as well. I think digital, if
> designed well, can sound nearly as well as analog. Listen to one of
> the better DMAs-- the Yamaha DG series or the AXSYS 2-- and I think
> you'll agree.
>
> Boss
>
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> > pedals, so it's not a problem of price.) ?
> >
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HPIMan
fun to play around with. I got it used for $75.
Jim
some of the newer models aren't nearly as good as previous
models like the chorus, envelope filter and vibrato
which they don't even make anymore.
Kate Ebneter
>
> their distortions aren't analog? I thought for sure the DS1 the turbo
> distortion and the blues driver were analog.
> the DD5 sounds kinda sterile... but it's not really in a bad way.
> I like the super phaser.
All of their distortions are analog. The phaser was; the new one is digital,
because they can't get the analog chips anymore. I believe the CE-5 is
digital -- although it doesn't call itself that -- and of course, all the
currently available Boss delays are digital as well. The CH-1 is analog.
The main reason for going digital these days is that many of the cool analog
chips that were used in flangers, choruses, delays, and phasers, are going
out of production.
Kate Ebneter
Collector of Noise Toys
Kate Ebneter
>
> Hmm. I don't think everybody says that.
>
> Their CS-3 compressor/limiter is probably the best pedal-format compressor in
> anything near its price range.
The Boss CS-3 is good, but I prefer -- of all things -- the DOD Milkbox, which
is a helluva nice compressor for not a lot of money.
Kate Ebneter
>
> Seems to me, like most everybody has said, that tone is subjective, so they're
> not everone's choice, but Boss pedals produce at a price/value point that's
> pretty good, and they're built like tanks.
>
> Works for me!
>
> I have a few Boss pedals (CH-2 chorus, PH-2 phaser, & OC-2 octave*) and two
> Dano's (Danecho and Daddy-O). I'm happy enough with them, though I use 'em
> little enough that it's hard to say if they do everything for me. I mean, I
> might like someone else's pedals, too, except I'd have to buy 'em and the Boss
> ones won't wear out, so that's unlikely.
>
> Bob C.
>
> * I'm not 100% they're all *-2's, but I think so. Like I say, I've got them,
> but haven't noticed all their features (like the names).
<pedantic>
CH-1. The "Super Chorus." The others are correct. (There ain't no CH-2, as it
happens.)
</pedantic>
Did I ever mention that I got started in pedal collecting 'cause I wanted to
own all of the Boss compact pedals? I did. I do. There's 80-something of them
if you wanna collect 'em ALL.
Axeman
Flip <braema...@home.com> wrote:
> the fab tone and the daddy o are analong
Really?... I guess those chips must be for switching then.
Anyway, I guess that explains why they sound so good!
Well, I take it all back... digital sucks!
(whew! that was a close call... :o)
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still in touch with the common frog... now let's
all sing together! "Hello My Baby, Hello My Honey,
Hello My Ragtime Gal..." - Axeman
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Jolibois Didier <joli...@club-internet.fr> schreef in berichtnieuws 903p39$cuo$2...@front3.grolier.fr...
Many, many people say that the boss pedals are crap.
I can understand that the digital sound is bad, that analog is better, but I've also seen that many pro bands used Boss digital effects.Why, if it's as bad as this (I think that they can afford expensive pedals, so it's not a problem of price.) ?Maybe some sound good and some sound bad; but it seems that there's not a lot of boss digital pedals which sound good...
chris.kavanagh
rugged too - built to f**kin' last, which is essential if you're doing lots
of gigs.
ck.
Les Cargill
> Jolibois Didier wrote:
>
> Many, many people say that the boss pedals are crap.
>
They're cheap, mass production, non boutique. Doesn't mean they're bad.
> I can understand that the digital sound is bad, that analog is better,
That's not necessarily true, either.
> but
> I've also seen that many pro bands used Boss digital effects.
They sound like they sound like.
> Why, if it's as bad as this (I think that they can afford expensive pedals, so
> it's not a problem of price.) ?
>
I suspect because they like 'em.
> Maybe some sound good and some sound bad; but it seems that there's not a lot
> of boss digital pedals which sound good...
> If it's true, why did they stop to make analog pedals?
Probably because they figure they'll sell.
ebola...@my-deja.com
distortion and the blues driver were analog.
the DD5 sounds kinda sterile... but it's not really in a bad way.
I like the super phaser.
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>
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> but I've also seen that many pro bands used Boss digital effects.
> Why, if it's as bad as this (I think that they can afford expensive =
> pedals, so it's not a problem of price.) ?
>
> Maybe some sound good and some sound bad; but it seems that there's
not =
> a lot of boss digital pedals which sound good...
> If it's true, why did they stop to make analog pedals?
>
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Axeman wrote:
>
> In article <3A258E18...@home.com>,
> Flip <braema...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > the fab tone and the daddy o are analong
>
> Really?... I guess those chips must be for switching then.
>
Could be analog chips, too. Those aren't true bypass, so there
probably are some for switching.
> Anyway, I guess that explains why they sound so good!
>
> Well, I take it all back... digital sucks!
>
> (whew! that was a close call... :o)
>
> --
> FutureFrog; The most advanced frog there is, yet
> still in touch with the common frog... now let's
> all sing together! "Hello My Baby, Hello My Honey,
> Hello My Ragtime Gal..." - Axeman
>
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> Before you buy.
Haadi Mahairi
it! They make some nice pedals and they don't cost and arm and a leg. I might
get more Boss pedals to add to my GT-3. Boss is too cool.
HPIMan wrote:
> oh yeah... I LOVE my boss DD-5. Cool delay effects and the hold feature is
> fun to play around with. I got it used for $75.
>
> Garrett
>
> BossTone wrote:
>
> > I've owned several Boss pedals over the years-- DS-1, Super Chorus,
> > Metal Zone-- and I've always been impressed with the construction as
> > well as the tone. That having been said, I've never owned a Boss
> > digital effect. I used to own a DOD digital delay (DFX9) that was
> > outstanding. Right now I'm using a Zoom 507 (digital
> > reverb+delay+chorus) what sounds fine, as well. I think digital, if
> > designed well, can sound nearly as well as analog. Listen to one of
> > the better DMAs-- the Yamaha DG series or the AXSYS 2-- and I think
> > you'll agree.
> >
> > Boss
> >
raven...@my-deja.com
sounding then...I've used them since the early 80's and they are good
pedals...not totally original sounding (their sound is unique
though),,their touch wah and distortion sounds have defined more than a
couple of generations....they're cheap (less than $100 in the US new)
and will last....so who's bitchin'? Someone who works for a
competitor?...boss pedals are great (they were first with noiseless
switch in the early 80's)....I highly recommend them..
Underground:
http://undergroundrecords.org
Haadi Mahairi
Bob Clayton
not everone's choice, but Boss pedals produce at a price/value point that's
pretty good, and they're built like tanks.
Works for me!
I have a few Boss pedals (CH-2 chorus, PH-2 phaser, & OC-2 octave*) and two
Dano's (Danecho and Daddy-O). I'm happy enough with them, though I use 'em
little enough that it's hard to say if they do everything for me. I mean, I
might like someone else's pedals, too, except I'd have to buy 'em and the Boss
ones won't wear out, so that's unlikely.
Bob C.
* I'm not 100% they're all *-2's, but I think so. Like I say, I've got them,
but haven't noticed all their features (like the names).
Quality music since 1963.
Steve
Their CS-3 compressor/limiter is probably the best pedal-format compressor in
anything near its price range.
Steve (SEFSTRAT)
webpage: http://members.aol.com/sefstrat/index.html/sefpage.html
Steve
distortion/overdrives, to me. It was capable of producing a rather wide range
of sounds.
That being said, I still prefer my Fulldrive2.
:-)
Haadi Mahairi
Kate Ebneter wrote:
> ebola...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > their distortions aren't analog? I thought for sure the DS1 the turbo
> > distortion and the blues driver were analog.
> > the DD5 sounds kinda sterile... but it's not really in a bad way.
> > I like the super phaser.
>
> All of their distortions are analog. The phaser was; the new one is digital,
> because they can't get the analog chips anymore. I believe the CE-5 is
> digital -- although it doesn't call itself that -- and of course, all the
> currently available Boss delays are digital as well. The CH-1 is analog.
>
> The main reason for going digital these days is that many of the cool analog
> chips that were used in flangers, choruses, delays, and phasers, are going
> out of production.
>
Axeman
Kate Ebneter <ebn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Did I ever mention that I got started in pedal collecting 'cause I
> wanted to own all of the Boss compact pedals? I did. I do.
> Kate Ebneter
So, I guess that makes you a "boss chick" huh Kate? ;o)
(I'm sure you've probably heard that one before... )
--
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still in touch with the common frog... now let's
all sing together! "Hello My Baby, Hello My Honey,
Hello My Ragtime Gal..." - Axeman
Magnus Paterson
Jolibois Didier <joli...@club-internet.fr> wrote
> Many, many people say that the boss pedals are crap.
I think Boss pedals sound good; the problem for me is the build
quality. They switched to crappy plastic jack sockets a few
years ago, and they fall apart at the slightest sign of harsh
treatment. A few friends of mine have replaced the plastic
jacks with metal at first "crumble". I'd much rather Boss just
built the damn things properly in the first place, even if it does
put the price up by a couple of quid.
Magnus
Ali Janah
Well.....as many have said that "tone" is such a subjective thing. You can't
say that BOSS pedals and this pedals are crap. It depends on the type of amp
and guitar you are using. If your amp is crap, then no pedals will sound
good thru it anyway. Get a good amp and a good guitar (this again is highly
subjective). Anyway, good amps and guitars does not have to cost a fortune.
----------------------------------------------------
Ali Janah
aja...@mac.com
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http://www.mp3.com/karno/
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Guitar --> 1975 Hagstrom Swede, Yamaha Pacifica 604W
Amp --> Peavey Delta Blues (1x15, 30 Watts)
Tools --> 535Q CryBaby
--> Ibanez TS9DX
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--> Danelectro "Dan Echo" via effect loop
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АА In the end, it's the music that really matters АА
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Haadi Mahairi
if you decide to change out the pickups, you'd STILL get a killer deal.
Maurice
rg270dx $375 an my mt2 and the ch1 do sound very good.
Haadi Mahairi <ugl...@home.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> > ?? In the end, it's the music that really matters ??
> > ====================================================
>
Not A Speck Of Cereal
anyone refer to them as crap. It's interesting how many times they
show up on a celebs pedal board.
Chris
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I want to take, all the books I want to read and all the friends I want to see."
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Flip
MIJ(or have a MIJ plate on it) they all sound
great i gig and practice alot an i am rough with
my pedals and the only boss pedal that had died on
me was an MT-2 and it was just the battery chord
got cut in the spring...
Marc R. Mercer
Kate Ebneter wrote:
> Did I ever mention that I got started in pedal collecting 'cause I wanted to
> own all of the Boss compact pedals? I did. I do. There's 80-something of them
> if you wanna collect 'em ALL.
>
> Kate Ebneter
> Collector of Noise Toys
It's - it's like the Pokemon of guitardom! "Gotta patch 'em all!" Now THERE'S an
idea. You should contact Boss and let them know you are likely the only person on
the planet who has completed this endeavor. Now here's the pitch: tell them you
will agree to a promotional full-page color ad in music-biz rags featuring yourself
wielding a Les Paul which is running through 80+ Boss units, jumpers and wall warts
all on a stark white floor. What remains of your signal at the end of the chain is
plugged into a Smokie amp. In the shot, you're looking at the camera with a
perplexed expression, shrugging, and the captions over your head read:
Sound ain't 'SMOKIN'?
"Must be the guitar, 'cause my effects are BOSS!"
And at the bottom of the page:
No one 'Kate-rz' to Ebneter's sound like BOSS!
Whoa - if you do this, I want a cut. Jeez, I shoulda wrote ad copy for a living...
:-D
Axeman
ma...@rmi.net wrote:
> Kate Ebneter wrote:
> > own all of the Boss compact pedals
> You should contact Boss and let them know you are likely the only
> person on the planet who has completed this endeavor.
LOL... I LIKE IT!
> Now here's the pitch: tell them you will agree to a promotional
> full-page color ad in music-biz rags featuring yourself
> wielding a Les Paul which is running through 80+ Boss units...
> And at the bottom of the page:
>
> No one 'Kate-rz' to Ebneter's sound like BOSS!
Well, there is the distinct possibility that she has already tried
contacting the BOSS/Roland company (several hundred times) and that is
why they now affectionately refer to her as "that crazy Boss woman who
won't leave us alone"! :oD
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stevi...@hotmail.com
Kate Ebneter <ebn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Did I ever mention that I got started in pedal collecting 'cause I
wanted to
> own all of the Boss compact pedals? I did. I do. There's 80-something
of them
> if you wanna collect 'em ALL.
What? You've got them ALL?! A slow gear? The VB-2? Even the rarest of
them all... the TK-1?
srd
Ron Thompson
>
> In article <3A25DE0A...@ix.netcom.com>,
> Kate Ebneter <ebn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > Did I ever mention that I got started in pedal collecting 'cause I
> wanted to
> > own all of the Boss compact pedals? I did. I do. There's 80-something
> of them
> > if you wanna collect 'em ALL.
>
> What? You've got them ALL?! A slow gear? The VB-2? Even the rarest of
> them all... the TK-1?
Very few people have even SEEN a TK-1. I have. That thing RULES.
I don't know how to really use pedals and all, so I'm no judge of
them. I left it to the others to try it and tell me, and I trust
their judgement mainly because they USE pedals regularly and I
don't.
Trust me on this one. Partial Bypass is the answer to a lot of
questions, but nobody cared about that TK-1. Too bad.
--
rct
The opinions above are mine and mine alone.
Kate Ebneter
>
> In article <3A25DE0A...@ix.netcom.com>,
> Kate Ebneter <ebn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > Did I ever mention that I got started in pedal collecting 'cause I
> wanted to
> > own all of the Boss compact pedals? I did. I do. There's 80-something
> of them
> > if you wanna collect 'em ALL.
>
> What? You've got them ALL?! A slow gear? The VB-2? Even the rarest of
> them all... the TK-1?
Alas, no: That holiest of holy grails, the TK-1, still eludes me. But I do
have the Slow Gear, the VB-2, etc. etc.
I've never even seen a picture of a TK-1, though rumors of its existence
persist.
joshi...@my-deja.com
Daniel R. Haney
>>> Did I ever mention that I got started in pedal collecting 'cause I
>>> wanted to own all of the Boss compact pedals? I did. I do. There's
>>> 80-something of them if you wanna collect 'em ALL.
>>
>> What? You've got them ALL?! A slow gear? The VB-2? Even the rarest of
>> them all... the TK-1?
>
> Alas, no: That holiest of holy grails, the TK-1, still eludes me. But I do
> have the Slow Gear, the VB-2, etc. etc.
They are rare, indeed.
I saw my first, probably last one at the Fall Philly Guitar Show.
The owner let me pop it open. Execution quality was better than
BOSS' usual, which is pretty good to begin with. There was no time
to try it out, alas.
I asked about the price and the owner laughed.
(He also laughed because few people carry a screwdriver to a guitar show)
> I've never even seen a picture of a TK-1, though rumors of its existence
> persist.
Standard BOSS enclosure. I don't clearly recall but it may have been
an off-white cream yellow.
Anyone else seen this crittur?
-drh
--
Kate Ebneter
>
> Kate Ebneter wrote:
> > stevi...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> Kate Ebneter <ebn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Did I ever mention that I got started in pedal collecting 'cause I
> >>> wanted to own all of the Boss compact pedals? I did. I do. There's
> >>> 80-something of them if you wanna collect 'em ALL.
> >>
> >> What? You've got them ALL?! A slow gear? The VB-2? Even the rarest of
> >> them all... the TK-1?
> >
> > Alas, no: That holiest of holy grails, the TK-1, still eludes me. But I do
> > have the Slow Gear, the VB-2, etc. etc.
>
> They are rare, indeed.
>
> I saw my first, probably last one at the Fall Philly Guitar Show.
> The owner let me pop it open. Execution quality was better than
> BOSS' usual, which is pretty good to begin with. There was no time
> to try it out, alas.
Awwwww, man! You saw one and didn't get to PLAY it? Are you sure it was the
real thing? I've heard that there might be fakes out there. It's sort of the
Moderne of Boss pedals.
> I asked about the price and the owner laughed.
> (He also laughed because few people carry a screwdriver to a guitar show)
>
> > I've never even seen a picture of a TK-1, though rumors of its existence
> > persist.
>
> Standard BOSS enclosure. I don't clearly recall but it may have been
> an off-white cream yellow.
Yeah, that'd be the right color...
> Anyone else seen this crittur?
Haney, I am OFFICIALLY jealous.
Dan Stanley
<stevi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:908phc$ilq$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <3A25DE0A...@ix.netcom.com>,
> Kate Ebneter <ebn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > Did I ever mention that I got started in pedal collecting 'cause I
> wanted to
> > own all of the Boss compact pedals? I did. I do. There's 80-something
> of them
> > if you wanna collect 'em ALL.
>
>
> What? You've got them ALL?! A slow gear? The VB-2? Even the rarest of
> them all... the TK-1?
>
I saw a TK-1 once, but I wasn't allowed to use it.
George4908
>The owner let me pop it open. Execution quality was better than
>BOSS' usual, which is pretty good to begin with. There was no time
>to try it out, alas.
I must have seen the same Boss TK-1 at Philly that you did. The white one,
right? Very transparent pedal. The owner was not accepting offers, and in
fact was considering reissuing them himself, once he figures out what's inside
the epoxy.
Kate Ebneter
EPOXY? Haney, you didn't mention epoxy. If it had epoxy on it, it would have
had to have been a prototype. Maybe they didn't really issue the thing after
all?
George, did you get to plug it in? I'm dyin' here.
Smakutus san..
> had to have been a prototype. Maybe they didn't really issue the thing after
> all?
>
> George, did you get to plug it in? I'm dyin' here.
What's the TK-1?
Outt..
Jeff.
Daniel R. Haney
> George4908 wrote:
>> I must have seen the same Boss TK-1 at Philly that you did. The white one,
>> right? Very transparent pedal. The owner was not accepting offers, and in
>> fact was considering reissuing them himself, once he figures out what's inside
>> the epoxy.
>
> EPOXY? Haney, you didn't mention epoxy. If it had epoxy on it, it would have
> had to have been a prototype.
The one I saw had no epoxy. That George ferreted out a second TK-1 is
all the more extraordinary since the total TK-1 production was well
under a dozen.
It is said that excellence in the Fine Arts is dominated by the
extremes of complexity (such as in Art Nouveau) and of simplicity
(as with Bauhaus). The TK-1 is firmly in the 'simplicity' camp.
The TK-1's minimalism and deceptive simplicity of internal execution
forces me to conclude that I missed important subtleties in the
builder/designer's intent. AFAIK, if you run an amp at high gain or
breakup, those two knobs on the case might as well do nothing.
> Maybe they didn't really issue the thing after all?
It's anybody's guess now.
If you like, I'll put you in touch with the owner since he
knows and thinks well of you by your Net repute. In fact,
your name figured prominently in our discussion of the TK-1.
-drh
--
George4908
all?
>>George, did you get to plug it in? I'm dyin' here.
I did. Very subtle. Hard to describe except that it makes everything you play
through it sound . . . better somehow.
Kamchak Tuchuk
stevi...@hotmail.com
Okay... here's everything I know about the TK-1.
The TK-1 was only ever experimental and I don't think it made it past
the prototype stage. I know a guy who had a friend who was involved in
this project and he says it started out as the "TK-O" project (as
in "Technical Knock-Out"). It evolved from there to the "TK-1" before
it was discontinued.
The concept of the pedal was to provide a clean boost to the guitar's
signal with just a touch of "passive processing" or something like that
(I can't remember exactly what the guy called it). In addition, they
were developing a "partial bypass" circuit that would reduce the signal
loading that was a problem with many Boss pedals at the time. Special
switches had to be made and these also added to the cost of the TK-1.
The TK-1 apparently used an analog circuit that was based on some kind
of special "chip" that Boss commissioned for the TK Project. These
chips were expensive and not very many were produced. Consequently,
very few TK-1 prototypes were made. Apparently, they were given to
select pros and studio guitarists to evaluate, but the reaction was
mixed. Some guys really liked the "subtle, yet noticeable" way that
the TK-1 affected their tones. Other players complained that the TK-
1 "doesn't do a damn thing". Evidently, most felt a high-priced pedal
that only provides a clean boost without adding any distortion or fuzz
was a case of the "Emporer's New Clothes". They were of the opinion
that guitar players would never buy such a pedal, let alone pay a
premium for it.
In any event, the project was dropped because Boss concluded that
a "clean boost" pedal wouldn't sell. The partial-bypass circuit also
received a lukewarm reception from guitarists that apparently didn't
care about pedals compromising their signal chain. The TK-1 was
summarily condemned by Boss as a total failure and the TK Project team
was disbanded.
From what I've heard, there were only between 10 and 20 TK-1 pedals
produced. I read somewhere that the only pro that is known to still
have one is Eric Johnson. No one seems to know what happened to the
others. I contacted Boss to ask about the TK-1 and everyone I talked
to there denied the TK-1's existence.
I was convinced that the TK-1 probably never existed, so I'm very
surprised that some people here have actually seen one. I'd be
interested in any other information anyone can add about this enigmatic
Boss pedal. I would also pay big bucks to buy one.
Thanks.
srd
Kate Ebneter
Please. I'd seriously pay big bucks for one of these.
Not A Speck Of Cereal
[...]
[] I was convinced that the TK-1 probably never existed, so I'm very
[] surprised that some people here have actually seen one. I'd be
[] interested in any other information anyone can add about this enigmatic
[] Boss pedal. I would also pay big bucks to buy one.
I'm not sure you could afford it boyee. I'm ain't totally positive,
but I'm pretty sure that there's one in the Experience Music Project's
museum in Seattle. Of course, EMP is the brain child of Paul Allen,
so it's possible that he paid a very high amount for their TK-1 (tho
some of the stuff is donated). I can't add any more info to your
description, because the one I saw was behind glass.
HTH,
Chris
----
There is perhaps no phenomenon which contains so much
destructive feeling as moral indignation, which permits
envy or hate to be acted out under the guise of virtue.
-- Erich Fromm
dejas...@my-deja.com
and spotted this thread.
stevi...@hotmail.com wrote:
> The concept of the pedal was to provide a clean boost to the guitar's
> signal with just a touch of "passive processing" or something like
> that (I can't remember exactly what the guy called it).
This is an interesting idea...isn't there a circuit to do exactly
that on Keen's website?
> In addition, they were developing a "partial bypass" circuit that
> would reduce the signal loading that was a problem with many Boss
> pedals at the time. Special switches had to be made and these also
> added to the cost of the TK-1.
How did that work? Is it like true bypass or what? Enquiring minds,
and all that...
<snip>
> Evidently, most felt a high-priced pedal
> that only provides a clean boost without adding any distortion or fuzz
> was a case of the "Emporer's New Clothes". They were of the opinion
> that guitar players would never buy such a pedal, let alone pay a
> premium for it.
<snip>
> From what I've heard, there were only between 10 and 20 TK-1 pedals
> produced. I read somewhere that the only pro that is known to still
> have one is Eric Johnson. No one seems to know what happened to the
> others. I contacted Boss to ask about the TK-1 and everyone I talked
> to there denied the TK-1's existence.
Fast forward howevermany years until today:
Does it strike anyone else as curious that Fulltone now has a "Fat
Boost" pedal on the market? He's a collector of toys like Kate, right?
Has anyone asked him about the story behind his Fat-Boost? I wonder
if he has a TK-1 in his collection?
Regards,
alan
ps - don't email me at this dejamail thingy...I don't know how to
read it yet.
alan dot steele at nrc dot ca
Polfus
>
>Kate Ebneter
>Collector of Noise Toys>
What's the TK-1 again? I missed the discussion.
Peace,
Polfus
http://www.geocities.com/PolfusPage
George4908
>
>Peace,
>Polfus
A legendary Boss pedal that was never put into production, but a few (one?
two?) of the prototypes surfaced at the Fall Philadelphia guitar show. Paul
Allen apparently owns one, though it is NOT on display at the Experience
Museum. The TK-1 appears to have pre-figured the "clean boost" concept by many
years. Rumor has it this formed the basis for the Fulltone "Fat Boost" and
possibly part of the circuit for the Klon Centaur as well.
jorges_...@hotmail.com
<Xchr...@microsoft.comX> wrote:
>So stevi...@hotmail.com wuz saying::
> [...]
>[] I was convinced that the TK-1 probably never existed, so I'm very
>[] surprised that some people here have actually seen one. I'd be
>[] interested in any other information anyone can add about this enigmatic
>[] Boss pedal. I would also pay big bucks to buy one.
I have heard that it was designed by an electronics guru from New
Jersey who later went on to have some success with a line of boutique
amps. Rumor has it that the "K" part of the pedal's name was one of
the designer's initials. This is all . . . how do you say? . . .
hearsay, so I don't want to name him.
Hasta Luego,
Jorges
Steve
>A legendary Boss pedal that was never put into production, but a few (one?
>two?) of the prototypes surfaced at the Fall Philadelphia guitar show. Paul
>Allen apparently owns one, though it is NOT on display at the Experience
>Museum. The TK-1 appears to have pre-figured the "clean boost" concept by
>many
>years. Rumor has it this formed the basis for the Fulltone "Fat Boost" and
>possibly part of the circuit for the Klon Centaur as well.
Why am I suspicious?!
:-)
Steve (SEFSTRAT)
webpage: http://members.aol.com/sefstrat/index.html/sefpage.html
Polfus
>From: georg...@aol.com (George4908)
Thanks, George.
Peace,
Polfus
http://www.geocities.com/PolfusPage
Daniel R. Haney
> stevi...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> The concept of the pedal was to provide a clean boost to the guitar's
>> signal with just a touch of "passive processing" or something like
>> that (I can't remember exactly what the guy called it).
>
> This is an interesting idea...isn't there a circuit to do exactly
> that on Keen's website?
Yes. The TK-1 antedates Keen's idea by a few years, to judge from the
early 90's dates on the TK-1 potentiometers.
>> In addition, they were developing a "partial bypass" circuit that
>> would reduce the signal loading that was a problem with many Boss
>> pedals at the time. Special switches had to be made and these also
>> added to the cost of the TK-1.
>
> How did that work? Is it like true bypass or what? Enquiring minds,
> and all that...
I suspect that some of the 'wet' signal is partially mixed in with the
'dry' output when "Meld" is enabled. This would work well when you go
direct to mixer or have parallel effects loops.
> Fast forward howevermany years until today:
> Does it strike anyone else as curious that Fulltone now has a "Fat
> Boost" pedal on the market?
Not me. The "fat boost" idea was a market niche that simply wasn't
filled by the Klon because of its painfully low production rate.
If you've seen the Klon schematic, you know its equalization favors
Fender amps rather heavily and has a trick or two for dynamics well
beyond your average stompbox. Surely, someone else could bring a
functionally similar product to the market in quantities to satisfy
the demand...so Mike Fuller grabbed the baton.
> He's a collector of toys like Kate, right?
> Has anyone asked him about the story behind his Fat-Boost? I wonder
> if he has a TK-1 in his collection?
We'll have to ask him when he's done gigging.
-drh
--
Ron Thompson
>
> >What's the TK-1 again? I missed the discussion.
> >
> >Peace,
> >Polfus
>
> A legendary Boss pedal that was never put into production, but a few (one?
> two?) of the prototypes surfaced at the Fall Philadelphia guitar show.
Only two. Quite possibly the only two in existence on this coast.
> Paul Allen apparently owns one, though it is NOT on display at the Experience
> Museum.
I've heard that before. In fact, I've heard that him and the recently departed
Chinery from right up there in the next county, kinda went toe-toe on getting
a hold of one.
> The TK-1 appears to have pre-figured the "clean boost" concept by many
> years. Rumor has it this formed the basis for the Fulltone "Fat Boost" and
> possibly part of the circuit for the Klon Centaur as well.
Partial bypass was basically invented with this pedal.
Ron Thompson
> I have heard that it was designed by an electronics guru from New
> Jersey who later went on to have some success with a line of boutique
> amps. Rumor has it that the "K" part of the pedal's name was one of
> the designer's initials. This is all . . . how do you say? . . .
> hearsay, so I don't want to name him.
He also was a bit creative with the naming of the knobs as I understand
it. Heh.
> Hasta Luego,
>
> Jorges
Any pedal good enough to get you out of the gutter long enough to look
at yer computer must be a good one, George. Georges. HoreHay. Whatever.
Good to see you.
Ron Thompson
Thanks bro! Yer a long way from New Jersey!
> The TK-1 was only ever experimental and I don't think it made it past
> the prototype stage. I know a guy who had a friend who was involved in
> this project and he says it started out as the "TK-O" project (as
> in "Technical Knock-Out"). It evolved from there to the "TK-1" before
> it was discontinued.
>
> The concept of the pedal was to provide a clean boost to the guitar's
> signal with just a touch of "passive processing" or something like that
> (I can't remember exactly what the guy called it). In addition, they
> were developing a "partial bypass" circuit that would reduce the signal
> loading that was a problem with many Boss pedals at the time. Special
> switches had to be made and these also added to the cost of the TK-1.
Along with the switches went Attack/Response Sensitivity Enhancement.
This was designed to tame the "spit" guys like me speak of when we
dig into a hot, or overwound pickup. They way they basically slam
the front end of the amp, producing what is, to some, a rather unpleasant
"hiss", or "harshness" out of the speakers. I've always just called it
"spit". If yer gaining your amp pretty well, and you are trying to bash
out some notes REAL hard, you'll get that residual fizz off of anything
remotely high output. PAFs did it somewhat, though the pair I have in one
of my Les Pauls doesn't. Thanks to Dan Stanley for them.
Anyway, ARSE was designed to cope with this phenomena, for lack of a better
word. It does. Did. I don't know how though. Expensive as heck.
Diggin in on the hottest bucker doesn't cause that problem. The "clarity"
and "smoothness" remains. Switch to the single up front, and your balance
isn't lost while flailing away at it. If your inclined to switch pickups
lots, and I am, it was a beautiful thing.
> The TK-1 apparently used an analog circuit that was based on some kind
> of special "chip" that Boss commissioned for the TK Project. These
> chips were expensive and not very many were produced. Consequently,
> very few TK-1 prototypes were made. Apparently, they were given to
> select pros and studio guitarists to evaluate, but the reaction was
> mixed.
There were some around here, last I saw one was while recording some stuff
in 91 down there in Somers Point. We used it on that record.
> Some guys really liked the "subtle, yet noticeable" way that
> the TK-1 affected their tones. Other players complained that the TK-
> 1 "doesn't do a damn thing". Evidently, most felt a high-priced pedal
> that only provides a clean boost without adding any distortion or fuzz
> was a case of the "Emporer's New Clothes". They were of the opinion
> that guitar players would never buy such a pedal, let alone pay a
> premium for it.
"...pay a premium for it" is rather understated. At that time these were
basically on loan from the original designer because he still owned the
idea. The projected costs for production models were literally in the
thousands BACK THEN.
> In any event, the project was dropped because Boss concluded that
> a "clean boost" pedal wouldn't sell. The partial-bypass circuit also
> received a lukewarm reception from guitarists that apparently didn't
> care about pedals compromising their signal chain.
I think that is a pretty good way to say it. The conventional thinking
is that once you put that Holy Grail pedal in front of your expensive
t00b amp, the deal is done. Not so for some.
> The TK-1 was summarily condemned by Boss as a total failure and the
> TK Project team was disbanded.
Huh.
> From what I've heard, there were only between 10 and 20 TK-1 pedals
> produced.
That many? Wow.
> I read somewhere that the only pro that is known to still
> have one is Eric Johnson.
Heh. Huh. Oh yeah. I wonder what kinda batteries he uses in THAT thing!
> No one seems to know what happened to the others.
Two are still down here by the shore, but you can't borrow them or even
try them for the most part. Local hack repair man has one. He is
refretting a friends guitar as we speak, and when he is done we'll go over
there and stuff that strat through that pedal into a Jorges Sangriah
modded Boogie and blow daddy-0!
> I contacted Boss to ask about the TK-1 and everyone I talked
> to there denied the TK-1's existence.
How lawyerly of you. Really.
> I was convinced that the TK-1 probably never existed, so I'm very
> surprised that some people here have actually seen one.
Seen one? Seen a few now.
> I'd be interested in any other information anyone can add about this enigmatic
> Boss pedal. I would also pay big bucks to buy one.
I can't really say much more than you did. I don't understand everything I
know about most pedals, much less that one. I've come across an awful lot
of pedals in thirty years of guitar wankery, and I've liked about...three
of them. This one is the shite, for sure. Just can't get them.
> Thanks.
No, thank you!
Ron Thompson
>
> Sorry to jump in from "lurker mode"...I've just got set up on deja
> and spotted this thread.
How nice. I guess being Prime Minister just doesn't keep you busy
enough, ehy? Hoser.
> stevi...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > The concept of the pedal was to provide a clean boost to the guitar's
> > signal with just a touch of "passive processing" or something like
> > that (I can't remember exactly what the guy called it).
>
> This is an interesting idea...isn't there a circuit to do exactly
> that on Keen's website?
Not...exACTly. I think Kate knows more about sircuts and stuff.
> How did that work? Is it like true bypass or what? Enquiring minds,
> and all that...
Bypass is monitored by the...box. I don't know. It's more than just
"bypass" per se. I don't know.
> Fast forward howevermany years until today:
Ok. I'm dizzy now.
> Does it strike anyone else as curious that Fulltone now has a "Fat
> Boost" pedal on the market?
Not me, no. I don't do pedals, MAN.
> He's a collector of toys like Kate, right?
I don't know the guy, but I doubt he's like Kate.
> Has anyone asked him about the story behind his Fat-Boost?
I haven't. Should I?
> I wonder if he has a TK-1 in his collection?
I...don't...know. Funny that, ehy? Hoser.
> ps - don't email me at this dejamail thingy...I don't kno
Shut up.
Gary Watts
: Museum. The TK-1 appears to have pre-figured the "clean boost" concept by many
: years. Rumor has it this formed the basis for the Fulltone "Fat Boost" and
: possibly part of the circuit for the Klon Centaur as well.
I've owned several Zeus 8444's which are a clean boost. I got the first
one in 1983. The clean boost idea is definitely not a new one......
Gary Watts
http://www.wattsguitars.com
dejas...@my-deja.com
> Yes. The TK-1 antedates Keen's idea by a few years, to judge from the
> early 90's dates on the TK-1 potentiometers.
so the Keen pedal isn't going to be the same thing.
drh again, on the partial bypass circuitry:
> I suspect that some of the 'wet' signal is partially mixed in with the
> 'dry' output when "Meld" is enabled. This would work well when you go
> direct to mixer or have parallel effects loops.
Is this a "continuous" meld? Or just a switch? I mean, can you control
the amount of bypass, or what? I know rct said he used one in a studio.
Hey Ron - were you going direct in them days?
drh yet again:
> If you've seen the Klon schematic, you know its equalization favors
> Fender amps rather heavily and has a trick or two for dynamics well
> beyond your average stompbox. Surely, someone else could bring a
> functionally similar product to the market in quantities to satisfy
> the demand...so Mike Fuller grabbed the baton.
Speakin'a schematics: first, I've never seen the Klon schem; second,
has anyone got the schem for the TK-1?
Regards,
alan
alan dot steele at nrc dot ca
ps - Is anyone using Dejanews as their news server? Is there a way to
slurp down a daily chunk of rmmg all at once then read it from your
local drive? All this web advertising is bugging me. Any pointers to
extant "free" newsservers would be appreciated...we've killed the
rec. heirarchy here. Thanks.
Ron Thompson
> Is this a "continuous" meld? Or just a switch? I mean, can you control
> the amount of bypass, or what? I know rct said he used one in a studio.
> Hey Ron - were you going direct in them days?
Direct to the can after a couple of beers, yeah. Direct to the couch
for a piece of pizza and a nap, yes. Oh. Recording. Yeah, sorta.
They stuck a mic directly in front of the Marshall, and one directly
across the room from it. I stood directly under the monitor
and wanked. Loudly. So yeah, it was all pretty darn direct, in fact.
>Speakin'a schematics: first, I've never seen the Klon schem; second,
>has anyone got the schem for the TK-1?
No.
> ps -
AREN'T YOU DONE YET???!!?
> Is anyone using Dejanews as their news server?
No.
> Is there a way to slurp down a daily chunk of rmmg all at once then read
> it from your local drive?
Yes.
> All this web advertising is bugging me. Any pointers to
> extant "free" newsservers would be appreciated...we've killed the
> rec. heirarchy here. Thanks.
Glad to help.
George4908
Sometime I suffer from parietal bypass.
Giri Iyengar
have is the term "clean boost." I think that has come to
mean something quite different from what Boss was talking
about when they were muddling around with the TK-1.
That pedal isn't a clean boost as much as a frequency
"enhancer." It cleans up the mids and low-mids so your
guitar presents a 'better' clean signal to your amp or
other processors.
Obviously, the effect is subtle and lost on many players,
such as those who can't hear the difference true bypass
makes. (Just an example, not jumping on anyone there.)
I heard (all hearsay, unfortunately) that it was intended
to make a difference when you use reverb or delay effects
on a mostly clean amp setting.
Giri
Aimish Wallace
Aimish
Kate Ebneter
based on the EH-2 -- that is, some of the ideas of the TK-1 came from a guy
tinkering around with the EH-2 and wondering what he could do to make it
better.
Unfortunately, one of the reasons the EH-2 was a market failure is that many
people couldn't appreciate what it did to their sound. The TK-1 was moreso,
such that Boss apparently felt that it was unmarketable. Oh, well.
(I think Ron Thompson was makin' up that ARSE stuff, btw.)
Kate Ebneter
Collector of Noise Toys
Kate Ebneter
>
> Aimish Wallace wrote:
> >
> > Doesn't this pretty much describe the EH-2 Enhancer?
>
> two DOD "Edge" pedals and they don't do much either.
Heh. Hence the low sales.
Try an EH-2 at the end of a long chain of effects, though. It really does
work.
Giri Iyengar
>
> >
> >A legendary Boss pedal that was never put into production, but a few (one?
> >two?) of the prototypes surfaced at the Fall Philadelphia guitar show. Paul
> >Allen apparently owns one, though it is NOT on display at the Experience
> >Museum. The TK-1 appears to have pre-figured the "clean boost" concept by
> >many
> >years. Rumor has it this formed the basis for the Fulltone "Fat Boost" and
> >possibly part of the circuit for the Klon Centaur as well.
>
> Why am I suspicious?!
Why should we care?
<yawn>
..Giri
Smakutus san..
>
> Doesn't this pretty much describe the EH-2 Enhancer?
Hmmmm? I have one of these and it doesn't seem to do much.. I also have
two DOD "Edge" pedals and they don't do much either.
Outt..
Jeff.
Smakutus san..
>
> "Smakutus san.." wrote:
> >
> > Aimish Wallace wrote:
> > >
> > > Doesn't this pretty much describe the EH-2 Enhancer?
> >
> > Hmmmm? I have one of these and it doesn't seem to do much.. I also have
> > two DOD "Edge" pedals and they don't do much either.
>
>
> Try an EH-2 at the end of a long chain of effects, though. It really does
> work.
Are these pedals kinda like a Sonic Maximizer? I've never tried that in
my rack for just guitar.
Outt..
Jeff.
Not A Speck Of Cereal
They're similar.
You know, I think they're supposed to be subtle.
Smakutus san..
>
> You know, I think they're supposed to be subtle.
I'd bet Kate is right about using these with a bunch of other pedals..
By them self they are like pedal compressor's you can't tell they're on
until you turn them up tooo much.
Outt..
Jeff.
Ron Thompson
>
> In some ways, yes. Rumor has it that at least part of the TK-1 circuit was
> based on the EH-2 -- that is, some of the ideas of the TK-1 came from a guy
> tinkering around with the EH-2 and wondering what he could do to make it
> better.
>
> Unfortunately, one of the reasons the EH-2 was a market failure is that many
> people couldn't appreciate what it did to their sound. The TK-1 was moreso,
> such that Boss apparently felt that it was unmarketable. Oh, well.
>
> (I think Ron Thompson was makin' up that ARSE stuff, btw.)
But only a bit. They really DID call it Attack/Response Sensitivity Enhancement
Circuitry. But I don't think the acronym was going to be used for marketing
or anything like that. It woulda been A/R probably.
Giri Iyengar
>
> Doesn't this pretty much describe the EH-2 Enhancer?
Maybe. I don't have much experience with either, but I
think the EH-2 does all it's stuff at the extremes of
the frequency spectrum, no? The TK-1 was more of a mids
and low-mids thing, at least as described to me. Same
general idea, sort of, very different results.
..Giri