Better than Matchless? The Tone King!
tubeb...@cpcnet.com
Well I went out and made the big plunge. I took that 3 hour drive to
check out the Matchless amps, especially the Chieftan. I really
really like the Chieftan. It was very responsive and the reverb was
good. However, I also tried out the Tone King Continental - and I
absolutely loved it.
I ended up buying the Tone King Continental because it sounded better
than the Matchless Chieftan. Now understand where I am coming from
amp wise. I've been playing a Fender Deluxe Reverb Reissue with both
a PRS CE and a Bonnie Raitt Strat. Sometimes I'd put a distortion
pedal in front of it.
There were times when gigging where the Deluxe would not have enough
horsepower for me. When you are playing in a loud band you can't get
loud and clean on a Deluxe. There were also times where even at 10 it
couldn't quite keep up with a high energy band. To solve this problem
I would play a Mesa DC3 (35 watts) which had enough juice to play
louder both clean and dirty.
I am always concerned about my hearing so I don't want an amp that has
too much wattage because I'll probably use it if it is there. Plus I
think lower wattage amps sound better. The Deluxe on about 3-4 is
just gorgeous. The Mesa never sounded as good as the Deluxe on any
settings, but it did the trick volume wise.
What I needed was an amp that would sound like a Deluxe Reverb, only
louder for the times I wanted to play clean and sweet (reverb is an
absolute must in my book). I also needed an amp that could play nasty
at the appropriate volume (I like to play in a mid 70's Hot Tuna style
which is basically an aggressive psychedelic trio sound).
When I played the Matchless I realized that it wasn't accomplishing
either of my objectives. It did have a very good clean sound, but it
wasn't like a Deluxe Reverb. Nice in it's own right, but not quite
what I was looking for. The fully cranked lead sounds I could get
were very articulate and good sounding, but not quite the Hot Tuna
type sound I was looking for. Then I tried the Tone King Continental.
Oh my God, what an experience. It had what I was looking for. For
those of you who don't know, one of the things that make a Deluxe
sound so good is the 6v6 tube (it uses two of them). IMHO this is the
best tube for a guitar amp. The two in the Deluxe put out about 20
watts, hence the lack of clean headroom. The Tone King Continental
uses 4 6v6 tubes in a unique circuit. It has TWO output transformers
so that their are two independent pairs of 6v6's (cathode bias) wired
in parallel at the speaker jack so it is Class A amp.
On the clean channel you really have the Deluxe Reverb sound except
louder. It is a treat to be able to loud and clean without the low E
string farting out. And when you push the clean channel hard it
sounds just excellent. Lots of touchy feely with a rock and roll
edge.
There are just three knobs on the clean channel; volume, treble, and
bass. There are also reverb, speed, and intensity controls which work
on BOTH channels. The lead channel has only three controls; volume,
tone, and mid-bite. If you’ve been counting, that is the same number
of knobs as the Deluxe Reverb. The lead channel is where the normal
channel is located on a Deluxe. The whole front panel feels real
familiar. There is only one input at the far left. There is a
channel changing toggle switch between the lead and rhythm channels.
The mid-bite control on the lead channel has a very pronounced effect
on the tone of the amp. On 2 -3 it makes the channel sound like a
cranked Blackface Deluxe Reverb. This is pretty cool because you can
have a loud and clean Deluxe sound on the rhythm channel and
footswitch over to a cranked Deluxe sound. The further up you turn
the mid-bite control the more pronounced the mid-range gets. As you
get close to all the way up the gain increases and you get into
cranking Marshall territory. But it doesn’t lose the Fender vibe
until most of the way up on the mid-bite control.
The rear panel is a lot like the back of the Deluxe with some
exceptions. There is a removable power cord, one speaker output (4
ohms), a standby and power switch located exactly where you’d expect
them on a Deluxe, a footswitch jack (controls the channel switch and
the tremelo.) I really like to be able to footswitch the tremelo on
and off. I don’t need it to do reverb because it is always on. There
are quarter inch reverb in and out jacks. And last but not least a
half power switch for the lead channel only.
This half power switch disables one pair of the 6v6s in lead mode
only. This way you can have 40 watts of clean power on the rhythm
channel, and only 20 watts of cranked lead. It helps balance things
nicely in a small room. I prefer the full power lead mode though.
The Tone King Continental head looks absolutely stunning. It is
covered in expensive naugahyde in a choice of colors. I got the red
and white. It looks like it could be the front panel of an early 60’s
water ski boat. I didn’t have enough scratch to buy the matching 2x12
cabinet but that will be my next purchase. It is also gorgeous.
Until then I’m playing through a high quality Ampeq 2x12 cabinet with
Vintage 30’s. I took the port off the back to make it an open cabinet
because the Tone King cabinet uses an open back design (based around
Vintage 25’s).
I took the Tone King Continental out the day after I bought it and
gigged with it. It did everything I thought it would and people kept
coming up to touch it because it looks so good. Guitarists are a
conservative lot at times. I had some comments that people thought
the red was a little too much. I just told them that everything
doesn’t have to be in black tolex or tweed.
The footswitch doesn’t come as part of the amp. You have to buy it
separately for about $80. It is worth getting because of how it
looks. It is made of cast aluminum and has the color scheme of your
amp choice printed onto the top.
As you can see I am very happy with my new amp. It took months to
decide what to buy because there is so much out there to choose from.
That’s enough of this essay. On to practice and smiling.
TubeBlaster
AGreenb100
the tone king and the matchless have little in common except for the fact
that there amps.
the matchless is a hand wired amp and only has one channel for the
guitarist looking for an extension of his instument life time warrantys
are also a huge plus
turnig the matchless to full dirt at loud volumes lets you roll back your
gtr vol. to get one of the best clean sounds you ever heard. I also like
the huge variety of tones you can get by changing spkr. cabs.(the toneking
sounds best with its own emminence spkrs.)
You could not make a mistake buying either amp
I know I own both.
Try adding a master volume to the Toneking it does wonders
also do not be affraid to cut the lead channel down to twenty and put all
controls on ten WOW
SEFSTRAT
<<I ended up buying the Tone King Continental because it sounded better
than the Matchless Chieftan.>>
I agree. Of course, the Chieftan is the Matchless I DON'T like....it's an
EL34 beast. IMHO, the Matchless EL84-based amps are the great ones.
Enjoy the Tone King!
Steve
SEFS...@AOL.com
George4908
I had the pleasure of playing through a Tone King Contintental and I have
to second the motion. Maybe the best bottom end I've ever heard in an
amp, period, due no doubt to the somewhat oversize 2x12 cabinet. The
little 1x12 Imperial is pretty damn good, too, and a whole lot less
expensive -- but it didn't have that big bottom.
greg
I've tried the tone king, matchless DC30 and chieftain, and they are blown
away either by a kendrick 40 watt head i've heard through their old 2x12,
or the new texas crude 50 or 100 watt heads through the new 2x12.
The tone king's bottom end doesn't even come close to the overwhelming
complexity and bottom end punch of the 40 watt head through a blackframe
2x12
Jack A. Zucker
YEEEEEEECH !
A friend of mine spent a few months looking for a Bassman style amp. He called
Kendricks, THD, Trainwreck and several others. He settled on the Kendricks since
Gerald Weber called him and personally assured him that he'd make a bassman that
would knock his socks out. My buddy asked for a 2 channel amp with effects loop
utilizing a relay to switch channels. He agreed to pay $1000 for the amp. When he
received the amp, he opened it up to look at its construction (being an amp
technician himself). He was horrified. Here's a list of items he saw:
1) Cheap imported jacks, pots, and switches. (The kind of stuff you'd see at Radio
Shack)
2) A Kawasaki transformer
3) All white wires (no color coding)
4) Severely burned insulation (resulting from very poor soldering technique)
5) Cold Solder joints everywhere including the relay which was not socketed and
did not work.
6) Cheap tubes
He called Weber and Gerald angrily told him, "I never said I'd use American
parts". He sent the amp back to have the relay fixed and also because the thing
sounded muddy and along with the amp included good Switchcraft jacks and Carling
switches. He got the amp back and it basically worked but did not sound good.
After a few months, he called Weber and asked him if he would be interested taking
it back (at a loss to my friend) and selling it. Gerald explained to him that he
didn't sell used amps. My buddy offered it to me for $450 which was a steal but it
didn't sound as good as a 66 blackface bassman head so I passed on it. He finally
sold it at a guitar show for $350.
I also tried a Kendricks 12" blackframe speaker which was the most inefficient
speaker I can remember hearing (as well as sounding like it was constipated).
So I guess you can see that I don't exactly agree with you here :-)
-Jaz
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Jeremy Lydell Haugen
trav...@gorgon.com (greg) wrote:
>I've tried the tone king, matchless DC30 and chieftain, and they are blown
>away either by a kendrick 40 watt head i've heard through their old 2x12,
>or the new texas crude 50 or 100 watt heads through the new 2x12.
>The tone king's bottom end doesn't even come close to the overwhelming
>complexity and bottom end punch of the 40 watt head through a blackframe
>2x12
Kendick amps are polarized. The clean tones are breathtaking but I
find the "cranked-up" sound to be analagous to chainsaw-biker bar
tone. Not at all cool given the price of Kendrick amps. But then
it's just a matter of preference. -J
Budding Hollywood Starlet
http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m606/haug0066/
Mark Ingino
In article <318EBC...@en.com>, Jack A. Zucker <j...@en.com> wrote:
>greg wrote:
>>
>> I've tried the tone king, matchless DC30 and chieftain, and they are blown
>> away either by a kendrick 40 watt head i've heard through their old 2x12,
>> or the new texas crude 50 or 100 watt heads through the new 2x12.
>> The tone king's bottom end doesn't even come close to the overwhelming
>> complexity and bottom end punch of the 40 watt head through a blackframe
>> 2x12
>
>
>A friend of mine spent a few months looking for a Bassman style amp. He called
>Kendricks, THD, Trainwreck and several others. He settled on the Kendricks since
>Gerald Weber called him and personally assured him that he'd make a bassman that
>would knock his socks out. My buddy asked for a 2 channel amp with effects loop
>utilizing a relay to switch channels. He agreed to pay $1000 for the amp. When he
>received the amp, he opened it up to look at its construction (being an amp
>technician himself). He was horrified. Here's a list of items he saw:
>
>1) Cheap imported jacks, pots, and switches. (The kind of stuff you'd see at Radio
>Shack)
>2) A Kawasaki transformer
>3) All white wires (no color coding)
>4) Severely burned insulation (resulting from very poor soldering technique)
>5) Cold Solder joints everywhere including the relay which was not socketed and
>did not work.
>6) Cheap tubes
>
>
>
>-Jaz
>
Sounds like a completely different experience than I've had with my
Kendrick 2210! I picked mine up at a show and after having owned or
owning late '50's Fender tweeds, and various Fender blackface's from
Princeton's to Twin's, this is the finest sounding amp I've owned to
my ears. It also has the built in tube reverb unit which is much more
flexible than the standard Fender reverb circuit in the blackfaces. The
workmanship and parts exhibit none of the flaws that you mention. The jacks
pots, and switches are American, wire is color coded, transformers are
Kendrick, tubes are Sovtek (with preamp tubes apparently checked for
microphonics). I've been using this amp almost exclusively now for about
a year for both practice and gigs maybe 10-15 hours a week with no
problems whatsoever other than just recently replacing the power tubes due
to normal wear.
Incidentally, your friend's amp sounds like the standard 40 watt Bassman
copy that Kendrick made-he provides a footswitchable effects loop on all
the amps other than the champ and deluxe copies. The loop also has a gain
control that allows you to overdrive the power amp section or, if you
turn down the gain to the power amp, allows you to crank up the preamp
and get preamp distortion instead. A pretty flexible design IMHO.
I guess the thing that would worry me is the apparent inconsistency
of quality control given your friend's story. I've seen a few Kendricks
but never anything like what your friend had. Just wanted to provide
another point of view...
Mark Ingino
Tremolux
Yeah, Kendrick and Weber are 90% hype and 10% bullshit. I've NEVER seen
anyone use a Kendrick amp on stage. Who the hell is Terry Oubre anyway?
>>>I also tried a Kendricks 12" blackframe speaker which was the most
inefficient
speaker I can remember hearing (as well as sounding like it was
constipated).
Those blackframe 12s sound like shit. The excessive brightness is like an
ice-pick in the ear.
Jack A. Zucker
Tremolux wrote:
>
> Yeah, Kendrick and Weber are 90% hype and 10% bullshit. I've NEVER seen
> anyone use a Kendrick amp on stage. Who the hell is Terry Oubre anyway?
>
You don't know ? Terry is a tech/rep for Kendricks. No wonder he waxes
poetic about the amps ! Did you ever notice the full page Vintage Guitar
Mag ad which had about 30 letters from "satisfied customers" ? I wonder
who those people were. There wasn't a single recognizable name. That
does not necessarily mean anything of course. There might be some great
unknown players out there playing those amps (and writing those letters)
but one has to wonder where they are ? Maybe it's a Texas thang.
> >>>I also tried a Kendricks 12" blackframe speaker which was the most
> inefficient
> speaker I can remember hearing (as well as sounding like it was
> constipated).
>
> Those blackframe 12s sound like shit. The excessive brightness is like an
> ice-pick in the ear.
He claims that they are incredibly efficient but they are not as
efficient as the cheapest Emminence speaker that I've heard, yet they
cost 3x the price.
I love those guitars he's selling with the "State of Texas" inlays.
(Actually they do look sort-o-cool)
Tremolux
>>>You don't know ? Terry is a tech/rep for Kendricks. No wonder he waxes
poetic about the amps !
Yes, actually, Terry Oubre is a Vice-President of Kendrick. But the
question is "who the hell is he?" I've never heard of him or anything
he's recorded, and yet Weber and Kendrick hype him like he's better than
SRV. Terry's CD is only available through Kendrick?? Who has he recorded
with or backed-up? What style of blues does he play? Who the hell is
he??? How is so much hype justified?
>>>Maybe it's a Texas thang.
No doubt. Texas is filled with a bunch of good-old-boys patting each
other on the back. I've dealt with Texans, and it sucks. If you're not
from Texas, they'll screw you.
>>>He claims that they are incredibly efficient but they are not as
efficient as the cheapest Emminence speaker that I've heard, yet they
cost 3x the price.
Two friends made the mistake of putting the blackframe 12s in their Pro
Reverbs. WAYYYYY too bright. Sound terrible. One guy is so bummed with
them that he's selling the amp. He bought them from Dan Torres, and when
he took them back to Torres because they sounded shitty, Torres told him
to take a hike. Be careful dealing with Torres.
>>>I love those guitars he's selling with the "State of Texas" inlays.
(Actually they do look sort-o-cool)
They had to change the body shape of their Les Paul clone, Gibson is
threatening litigation. After 40 years, Gibson has just now trademarked
the body shape.
Regards.
Mark Duncan
"Jack A. Zucker" <j...@en.com> wrote: regarding the Kendrick amp
>YEEEEEEECH !
Whew! That's a relief. I tried a "Bassman-looking" Kendrick amp a couple of months
back. I gave it my usual test: set all the knobs flat or in their detent position
and adjust gain and volume to taste.
It was so lifeless and dull that I thought something was defective with it, or maybe
I was doing something wrong.
LarrySB
<<<<
No doubt. Texas is filled with a bunch of good-old-boys patting each
other on the back. I've dealt with Texans, and it sucks. If you're not
from Texas, they'll screw you.
>>>
Come on Tremo, that isn't true for me, and that isn't true for the
majority of Texans that I know. Come on down to Houston some time, bring
your axe and I'll show you. Be sure to stay over on a thursday night.
You know, Gerald Weber used to own a meat-packing company (or something
like that) before he suddenly became an amp guru. He actually gets people
to work for free for a whole year as interns in his amp factory.
Maybe it's meatpackers-cum-amp gurus who are such assholes.
--
Dr. Nuketopia
Technology Director of the World-Wide Monetary Conspiracy
All opinions strictly reflect the party line
Jack A. Zucker
LarrySB wrote:
> You know, Gerald Weber used to own a meat-packing company (or something
> like that) before he suddenly became an amp guru. He actually gets people
> to work for free for a whole year as interns in his amp factory.
>
That might explain why my buddies amp looked the way it did. Maybe I should have
checked it for freshness.
First Last
lar...@aol.com (LarrySB) wrote:
><<<<
>No doubt. Texas is filled with a bunch of good-old-boys patting each
>other on the back. I've dealt with Texans, and it sucks. If you're not
>from Texas, they'll screw you.
>>>>
>
>Come on Tremo, that isn't true for me, and that isn't true for the
>majority of Texans that I know. Come on down to Houston some time, bring
>your axe and I'll show you. Be sure to stay over on a thursday night.
I'm guessing you want Tremolux to jam at Dan Electro's guitar bar at their Thursday
night blues jam. You'll find a bunch of nice Texans that love blues guitar.
Kyle Harris
>No doubt. Texas is filled with a bunch of good-old-boys patting each
>other on the back. I've dealt with Texans, and it sucks. If you're
not
>from Texas, they'll screw you.
I bet you subscribe to alt.assholes.white.power too don't you?
Fucking prick.
Quit using up the air, please.
I don't like Kendrick amps, Ross Perot, or the Bush family,
Fuck you, drive through,
Kyle
Dallas,TX
Clancy
>> You know, Gerald Weber used to own a meat-packing company (or something
>> like that) before he suddenly became an amp guru. He actually gets people
>> to work for free for a whole year as interns in his amp factory.
>>
>
>That might explain why my buddies amp looked the way it did. Maybe I should have
>checked it for freshness.
Now that's some styling I'd like to see instead of this tweed crap.
Tolex that looks like red meat w/ blue dye USDA stamps on the side.
LarrySB
<<
I'm guessing you want Tremolux to jam at Dan Electro's guitar bar at their
Thursday
night blues jam.
>>
Yup. I don't think there is more fun to be had on a Thursday night
anywhere in the world. <g> You never know who might drop in either.
Ohh, if you find yourself in Houston on May 30, my new wife and I are
having a sort of wedding reception-party-blues-jam thing. The festivities
will start a little early that night, to be followed by the regular
Thursday night jam.
If you ever wondered about Dr. Nuketopia, this is your chance to see who I
really am.
Cheers,
DANIEL H MEANS
: >>>Maybe it's a Texas thang.
: No doubt. Texas is filled with a bunch of good-old-boys patting each
: other on the back. I've dealt with Texans, and it sucks. If you're not
: from Texas, they'll screw you.
I'm from Texas and I don't think you are correct. That's a generalization
that you may have come to because of a few bad deals. I'm from
Ft.Worth,you know cowtown, and I harldy ever see people wearing cowboy
hats and boots chewing tobacco.I'm anything but a good ol boy. I cant'
stand country music, I dont' care about Stevie Ray Vaughan or Billy
Gibbons, and don't ride a horse. Maybe these guys are getting back at all
you northerners who think we're all a bunch of inbred hicks that take the
stage coach to work and live in trailer parks. You probably hate the
French too eh? Later,Daniel.
DANIEL H MEANS
DANIEL H MEANS (dhm...@uta.edu) wrote:
: : >>>Maybe it's a Texas thang.
Gerald Weber says if you can find a better amp, buy it. I'd take his advice.
Jeffrey Potoff
DANIEL H MEANS wrote:
>
> : >>>Maybe it's a Texas thang.
>
> : No doubt. Texas is filled with a bunch of good-old-boys patting each
> : other on the back. I've dealt with Texans, and it sucks. If you're not
> : from Texas, they'll screw you.
>
> I'm from Texas and I don't think you are correct. That's a generalization
> that you may have come to because of a few bad deals. I'm from
> Ft.Worth,you know cowtown, and I harldy ever see people wearing cowboy
> hats and boots chewing tobacco.I'm anything but a good ol boy. I cant'
> stand country music, I dont' care about Stevie Ray Vaughan or Billy
> Gibbons, and don't ride a horse. Maybe these guys are getting back at all
> you northerners who think we're all a bunch of inbred hicks that take the
> stage coach to work and live in trailer parks. You probably hate the
> French too eh? Later,Daniel.
I'm not from Texas and I don't think you're correct either. Every time
I've been down to Texas (San Antonio, Austin, Houston) everyone's been
cool.
Now if only I could find a Taco Cabana in NY...
Jeff
Mr. Opinionated
>>>>Maybe it's a Texas thang.
>
>No doubt. Texas is filled with a bunch of good-old-boys patting each
>other on the back. I've dealt with Texans, and it sucks. If you're not
>from Texas, they'll screw you.
Man..
you are WAY off base here.
I live in Austin and have lived in California and some of the nicest,
most genuine people I have ever met live here, half the people I know are
transplants to here and love it.
and no.
I am not a blues guy.
Of the two "big" Texas guitar players I MUCH prefer EJ to SRV.
Charles
Nick Schepis
>
>: : No doubt. Texas is filled with a bunch of good-old-boys patting each
>: : other on the back. I've dealt with Texans, and it sucks. If you're not
>: : from Texas, they'll screw you.
>
>: Ft.Worth,you know cowtown, and I harldy ever see people wearing cowboy
>: hats and boots chewing tobacco.I'm anything but a good ol boy. I cant'
>: stand country music, I dont' care about Stevie Ray Vaughan or Billy
>: Gibbons, and don't ride a horse. Maybe these guys are getting back at all
>: you northerners who think we're all a bunch of inbred hicks that take the
>: stage coach to work and live in trailer parks. You probably hate the
>: French too eh? Later,Daniel.
>
I'm from Ft. Worth too. And I see cowboys chewing tobacco with hats and boots
all the time. and I like country music. I like Stevie Ray and I adore Billy Gibbons.
I like barbecue and beer and hot Texas nights. I'm in heaven down here. It's
understandable how so many people who hate a state with all that to offer
PLUS the Dallas Cowboys would console each other in their jealous abandon.
The music scene is legendary. The players are a cut above. And Kendrick amps sound
great. Weber's a space cadet, that's all. He's not all there.
Folks like Tremolux who know so much about amps sometimes know very little about
the people who play them. A lot of us Texas players would rather sit back and
laugh at those poor souls like him who make such feeble attempts to try to
convince others about something most people know is a crock of shit.
Well, I gotta go eat some fried bull nuts and fuck my sister...
NS
Michael Cullen
dhm...@uta.edu (DANIEL H MEANS), far, far away from here, appears to
have written:
[snip]
>You probably hate the French too eh?
>Later,Daniel.
I thought *everyone* hated them....
cheers,
Mic. (http://iap.net.au/~tiger/)
Teleologist
LarrySB wrote:
>
> <<<<
> No doubt. Texas is filled with a bunch of good-old-boys patting each
> other on the back. I've dealt with Texans, and it sucks. If you're not
> from Texas, they'll screw you.
> >>>
especially the way Blues/Rock/Country all gets mixed together. Now if only
one could get a 'real' Pizza in Texas........ :-)
Giri Iyengar
DANIEL H MEANS wrote:
> stage coach to work and live in trailer parks. You probably hate the
> French too eh? Later,Daniel.
Yeah, those folks in Paris, Texas are the worst!
;-)
..Giri
LarrySB
Whoa, hold on there pardner. You misquoted me. I was quoting Tremolux on
that one.
LarrySB wrote: (actually, Tremolux wrote this)
>
> <<<<
> No doubt. Texas is filled with a bunch of good-old-boys patting each
Peace, Y'all.
First Last
Teleologist <Teleo...@sorry.noEmail> wrote:
>LarrySB wrote:
>>
>> <<<<
>> No doubt. Texas is filled with a bunch of good-old-boys patting each
>> from Texas, they'll screw you.
>> >>>
>I'm not from Texas, but I like the people, love the BBQ, & love the music -
>especially the way Blues/Rock/Country all gets mixed together. Now if only
>one could get a 'real' Pizza in Texas........ :-)
In Houston, try Antonio's Flying Pizza, Hillcroft St., or Napoli's on Memorial.
These guys are all from NYC. None of them play guitar, nor do any of them own
Matchless or Kendrick amps. Interestingly, the guys at Napoli's (Vinnie and
Frankie) think that the Dejavibe is the best vibe pedal out there, espeically if you
put a little parmesan on it.
Hertz Car Rentals
trem...@aol.com (Tremolux) wrote:
>Yeah, Kendrick and Weber are 90% hype and 10% bullshit. I've NEVER seen
>anyone use a Kendrick amp on stage.
I seen him the next year and he replaced the Kendrick with 2 Matchless
Clubman....I thought the Kendrick and Matchless C-30/4-10 sounded better.
>Those blackframe 12s sound like shit. The excessive brightness is like >an ice-pick in the ear.
The new Kendrick is Dark sounding and not as efficient as the old
Blackframe...I compared both....the less efficient new Blackframe may
work ok if you want to crank in a small bright room.
Perry
Kyle Harris
>> <<<<
>> No doubt. Texas is filled with a bunch of good-old-boys patting
each
>> other on the back. I've dealt with Texans, and it sucks. If you're
not
>> from Texas, they'll screw you.
>> >>>
>I'm not from Texas, but I like the people, love the BBQ, & love the
music -
>especially the way Blues/Rock/Country all gets mixed together. Now if
only
>one could get a 'real' Pizza in Texas........ :-)
Please, thanks for the nice comments...but no more stereotyping. It's
great to see so many people think that the person who posted the top
comment is wrong, but don't do him any justice by revelling in the
typical Texan attitude. Most nights here in Dallas, you would have a
hard time finding a band who sound anything like SRV, EJ, ZZ, etc...
More exemplory are the current run of Texas bands starting to make it
big:
Toadies
Tripping Daisy
Deep Blue Something
Rev. Horton Heat
Baboon
Brutal Juice
Tablet
Not a typical countryrock, blues lick amongst them.
And we do have real pizza. Make it to Denton or College Station and
try pizza from the Flying Tomato...
That's it.
-Kyle
Clancy
>hard time finding a band who sound anything like SRV, EJ, ZZ, etc...
>More exemplory are the current run of Texas bands starting to make it
>Deep Blue Something
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'd rather we didn't claim those la dee da boys.
>Brutal Juice
>Tablet
SEFSTRAT
<<Brutal Juice>>
Wow. Now THERE's a group name!
Somehow I doubt that they're an acoustic duo......
Steve
SEFS...@AOL.com
Dr Distortion
Teleologist (Teleo...@sorry.noEmail) wrote:
: I'm not from Texas, but I like the people, love the BBQ, & love the music -
: one could get a 'real' Pizza in Texas........ :-)
Sorry, but you can't get real pizza outside of an 80-mile radius of NYC :)
jay...@smart.net
Its a matter of taste; Kendrick makes great amps. If you like that tone, that style of amp, its one of the best. Better than a
Matcheless? I dunno, that's a hard claim to make. Every flavor Matchless amp I've ever tried has been awesome, no so every
Kendrick, but that's just my opinion. I personally prefer the sound of the Matchless, put that's an opinion. I think the '69 Marshall Plexi
full stack's sound is about a ten outta ten, some jazz-heads would beg to differ....
Troubleman
Jeff Vineburg
>: one could get a 'real' Pizza in Texas........ :-)
>Sorry, but you can't get real pizza outside of an 80-mile radius of NYC :)
I used to be an East Coast Pizza Snob, but that changed after I
visited Woodstock's, in Davis, CA.
I *HIGHLY* recommend it.
And to my death, I'll laugh at finding `Philly Cheesesteaks' all over
the US that have no relation to a cheesesteak at all.
--------------------------------------------------------------
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http://www.netaxs.com/~jeffv http://www.netaxs.com/~nukefish
lefty guitar info, musical humor song parodies, as heard on Stern show
Teleologist
Dr Distortion wrote:
>
> Teleologist (Teleo...@sorry.noEmail) wrote:
> : I'm not from Texas, but I like the people, love the BBQ, & love the music -
> : especially the way Blues/Rock/Country all gets mixed together. Now if only
>
> Sorry, but you can't get real pizza outside of an 80-mile radius of NYC :)
Texans having Chicago Pizza Fed-X'd to them! Of course I'm (over) biased! :-)
James Andrews
In article <4mvq4n$j...@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>,
kw...@ix.netcom.com(Kyle Harris ) wrote:
> More exemplory are the current run of Texas bands starting to make it
> big:
> Toadies
> Tripping Daisy
> Deep Blue Something
> Rev. Horton Heat
> Baboon
> Brutal Juice
> Tablet
>
> Not a typical countryrock, blues lick amongst them.
Please, never mention the Reverend and the Toadies in the same article again!
Jas.
--
James Andrews
Philadelphia, PA
and...@ben.dev.upenn.edu
James Andrews
How DARE you post on-topic in this thread!
Jas.
--
Dr Distortion
Jeff Vineburg (je...@netaxs.com) wrote:
: I used to be an East Coast Pizza Snob, but that changed after I
: visited Woodstock's, in Davis, CA.
Hmmmm.... I'm skeptical (I've :never: found real pizza outside of NY, and
the pizza I tried in California was probably the worst of all), but I'll
take your word for it.
: And to my death, I'll laugh at finding `Philly Cheesesteaks' all over
: the US that have no relation to a cheesesteak at all.
Agreed. I never knew what a real cheese steak was until I spent a week in
Philly about ten years ago. My favorite cheese steaks were from Koch's
Deli on Locust.
Jack A. Zucker
Dr Distortion wrote:
> Agreed. I never knew what a real cheese steak was until I spent a week in
> Philly about ten years ago. My favorite cheese steaks were from Koch's
> Deli on Locust.
Sorry, nothing beats Pat's Steaks.
-Jaz
jay...@smart.net
troubleman
James Andrews
Folks, don't even get this started. It can get ugly real quick.
Dr. D., you'll be saddened to know that Lou Koch died a couple of months
ago. I guess 55+ years of pastrami and other fat-filled delicacies will
do that to you... His kids are keeping the place running though.
Jas.
First Last
"Jack A. Zucker" <pj...@en.com> wrote:
>Dr Distortion wrote:
>
>> Agreed. I never knew what a real cheese steak was until I spent a week in
>> Philly about ten years ago. My favorite cheese steaks were from Koch's
>> Deli on Locust.
>
>Sorry, nothing beats Pat's Steaks.
>
>-Jaz
I was born and raised in Philly, and I can guarantee you that Pat's is absurdly
overrated. They just happen to have the latenight reputation. Most good Philly
delis have better cheesesteaks than Pat's, plus you don't have to worry about the
guy named Vinnie in the pinstripe suit standing next to you being gunned down by a
mob hit man in a black Lincoln :)
Jack A. Zucker
First Last wrote:
> I was born and raised in Philly, and I can guarantee you that Pat's is absurdly
> overrated.
I've had some pretty good Cheese-Steaks there (with Cheeze-Wiz).
BTW, I guess it's somewhat appropriate to talk about steak in a Gerald Weber thread.
I wonder if his steaks were any good :-)
-Jaz
SEFSTRAT
<<> > Agreed. I never knew what a real cheese steak was until I spent a
week in
> > Philly about ten years ago. My favorite cheese steaks were from Koch's
> > Deli on Locust.
>
> Sorry, nothing beats Pat's Steaks.>>
I think we'll all agree that the pre-CBS cheesesteaks were better.
Steve
SEFS...@AOL.com
SEFSTRAT
Shaun wrote:
<<Yeah? Well just TRY to find good schrod outside of Boston.
Just don't ask me what schrod actually is, though...>>
I think it's a lot like "scrod". They sell it here.
SEFS...@AOL.com
S.W. Wortis
>Hmmmm.... I'm skeptical (I've :never: found real pizza outside of NY, and
>the pizza I tried in California was probably the worst of all), but I'll
>take your word for it.
>
>: And to my death, I'll laugh at finding `Philly Cheesesteaks' all over
>: the US that have no relation to a cheesesteak at all.
>
>Agreed. I never knew what a real cheese steak was until I spent a week in
>Philly about ten years ago. My favorite cheese steaks were from Koch's
>Deli on Locust.
Yeah? Well just TRY to find good schrod outside of Boston.
Just don't ask me what schrod actually is, though...
-Shaun
Kyle Harris
><<> > Agreed. I never knew what a real cheese steak was until I spent
a
>week in
>> > Philly about ten years ago. My favorite cheese steaks were from
Koch's
>> > Deli on Locust.
>>
>> Sorry, nothing beats Pat's Steaks.>>
>
>I think we'll all agree that the pre-CBS cheesesteaks were better.
>
And the G&L cheesesteaks have an inconsistent quality level.
-Kyle
Carl Fiadino
and...@ben.dev.upenn.edu (James Andrews) wrote:
>In article <319B73...@en.com>, j...@en.com wrote:
>
>> Dr Distortion wrote:
>>
>> > Philly about ten years ago. My favorite cheese steaks were from Koch's
>> > Deli on Locust.
>>
>> Sorry, nothing beats Pat's Steaks.
>>
>
>Folks, don't even get this started. It can get ugly real quick.
>
>Dr. D., you'll be saddened to know that Lou Koch died a couple of months
>ago. I guess 55+ years of pastrami and other fat-filled delicacies will
>do that to you... His kids are keeping the place running though.
>
>Jas.
>
>--
William G. Sacks
Some people have had the following to say:
: >Hmmmm.... I'm skeptical (I've :never: found real pizza outside of NY, and
: >the pizza I tried in California was probably the worst of all)...
Well, now, come on, the Chicago deep-dish places have their own
thing going on that's pretty delicious- Gino's East in the heart of
downtown is about as good as that style of pie gets, and I'd have it
anytime. Oh, and if you suddenly find yourself on the other side of NY
State, Buffalo pies can be great- thicker crusts than standard NYC slices
and more cheese, too- and you're always getting _real cheese_, which is more
than we can say for 2/3s of the "Ray's" in the Village. Try Bocce Club
on Bailey or Picasso's if you get a chance...
: >: And to my death, I'll laugh at finding `Philly Cheesesteaks' all over
: >: the US that have no relation to a cheesesteak at all.
Same with chicken wings- every bar in America thinks they've got
it down, and the first sure sign that they don't is that they refer to
the dish as "Buffalo Wings." I've had at least two places bring me
pan-fried wings, and one joint made the mistake of serving me their
monstrosity in a ketchup-based sauce. I walked back into the kitchen
and put on an impromptu lesson in sauce preparation for the cook...
SEFSTRAT
<< Same with chicken wings- every bar in America thinks they've got
it down, and the first sure sign that they don't is that they refer to
the dish as "Buffalo Wings." I've had at least two places bring me
pan-fried wings, and one joint made the mistake of serving me their
monstrosity in a ketchup-based sauce. I walked back into the kitchen
and put on an impromptu lesson in sauce preparation for the cook...>>
I'm from Rochester, NY--next door to Buffalo--and you';re right. No one
outside of Western New York knows how to make wings.
"Buffalo wings"...you see THAT, you KNOW they ain't....we NEVER call them
that here.
"Buffalo wings"......I didn't even know that they could fly!
SEFS...@AOL.com
Dee Zucker
SEFSTRAT wrote:
> I'm from Rochester
No wonder you have such an inferiority complex. I'm from DC originally.
We kicked your ass in the superbowl (Buffalo). So did everyone else :-)
-Jaz
Thomas F Brown
Wings? Cheesesteaks? Kid's play. Try getting real chicken parmegian
in the south. Last time I was in north carolina they brought me
fried chicken with american cheese melted over the top. They're
lucky I didn't barf on the plate.
Dee Zucker
Carl Fiadino wrote:
> Hey Jaz, maybe your friend's Kendrick had a cheese steak stuck in it!
Of course it had a cheese steak in it. The problem was that it used
Velveta cheese. Everyone knows that you need to use Cheese-Wiz for
the Texas Tone. Although after reading Gerald Weber's column in
the latest Vintage Guitar Magazine, maybe it would sound better if
it had 3 *DIFFERENT* kinds of cheese (as long as they were in phase)
-Jaz
Dee Zucker
William G. Sacks wrote:
> We're not feeling inferior, Jack, we're feeling deeply _bitter_,
> and it's best to leave us alone about it...
Actually, I'm old enought to remember winning the NBA Championship with
Elvin Hayes and Wes Unseld (playing Center), the Orioles winning the
World Series with Eddie Murray and Cal Ripken (on the same team),
and The Redskins win several Super Bowls.
In fact, when I flew out to Cleveland 8 years ago for a job interview
at Allen-Bradley, the Redskins had just won the Superbowl (over Denver)
and on the plane I read about the Browns with Bernie Kosar and how
they were supposed to go to the superbowl the next year. I moved to
Cleveland and look what happened ? :-)
What do I do now, root for the skins again ?
-Jaz
SEFSTRAT
<<> I'm from Rochester
No wonder you have such an inferiority complex. I'm from DC originally.
We kicked your ass in the superbowl (Buffalo). So did everyone else :-)>>
Hmmm. Jaz, we all hate the Bills for losing EACH OF THOSE TIMES. You
ain't gonna get a rise outta me there.
And the music in this city is incredible.....you know, the Eastman School
of Music is here. Lotta good jazzers.
Steve
SEFS...@AOL.com
Steve Senderoff
.....<several opinions about Philly Cheese Steaks>....
all wrong!!!! the only decent cheesesteaks are at _GENO'S_, across from
Pats. Get a provolone steak with and a cheerwine....
I used to like to go to jim's on south street when I didn't need a really
good steak, but south street is starting to suck seriously, IMHO...
--
===================================================================
Steve Senderoff Trisha Vierling
st...@marlin.ssnet.com
"...ya run your E string down, oh I don't know, about three frets....anyway, it corresponds to the third note on the A string..."
....Tommy Jarrell
Carl Fiadino
William G. Sacks
Thomas F Brown (tomb...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu) wrote:
: Wings? Cheesesteaks? Kid's play. Try getting real chicken parmegian
: in the south. Last time I was in north carolina they brought me
: fried chicken with american cheese melted over the top.
A long-forgotten analect of Confucious:
Italian food is to the deep South as the lily of the valley is to
snow-covered plain. Let no harvester wander there, for he will be lost.
William G. Sacks
Dee Zucker (j...@en.com) wrote:
: No wonder you have such an inferiority complex. I'm from DC originally.
: We kicked your ass in the superbowl (Buffalo). So did everyone else :-)
Ah, yes, the all-time high point for professional sports in the
lovely D.C. area, which have also included, um... the Bullets repeated
failing to break .500, the Caps repeatedly failing to make the playoffs,
and the 'Skins falling into a 4-year slump after buying their way to the
Bowl.
SEFSTRAT
Jaz said:
<<No wonder you have such an inferiority complex. I'm from DC originally.
We kicked your ass in the superbowl (Buffalo). So did everyone else
:-)>>>>
WAIT A MINUTE!
Jaz, don't you now live in <snicker> CLEVELAND??!!
Steve
SEFS...@AOL.com
Thomas F Brown
There actually is a pretty good Italian joint in Raleigh NC. The owner is
this stereotypical Italian-American cat with polyester shirt unbuttoned
down to here, hairy chest decorated with gold necklaces. He loves to work
the room, often stopping to croon some song to the poor folks trying to eat.
I've wondered how he wound up in Raleigh--witness protection program or
what? Good food though.
Jack A. Zucker
Nick Schepis wrote:> The whole U.S. should just give up and root for Dallas.
> We got the braggin' rights, and by God, we use 'em! :)
>
> NS
Yeah, but not everyone is into 'doing' hookers and lines of coke in
cheap out of the way hotels.
-Jaz
--
>
> Jack A. Zucker | ESP Music
> j...@en.com or | Voice: 216 349 5881 (home)
> Jack....@software.rockwell.com | Voice: 216 646 7796 (work)
> | Fax: 216 646 7766 (work)
Nick Schepis
Carl Fiadino
Dee Zucker <j...@en.com> wrote:
>Carl Fiadino wrote:
>
>> Hey Jaz, maybe your friend's Kendrick had a cheese steak stuck in it!
>
>Velveta cheese. Everyone knows that you need to use Cheese-Wiz for
>the Texas Tone. Although after reading Gerald Weber's column in
>the latest Vintage Guitar Magazine, maybe it would sound better if
>it had 3 *DIFFERENT* kinds of cheese (as long as they were in phase)
>
>-Jaz
I hope he's not using machines from the meat business to build amps.
Slicer, Sledgehammer, ect. Carl
Teleologist
William G. Sacks wrote:
> Well, now, come on, the Chicago deep-dish places have their own
> thing going on that's pretty delicious- Gino's East in the heart of
> downtown is about as good as that style of pie gets, and I'd have it
> anytime.
Right about Gino's for thick crust. For thin crust it's hard to beat
Home Run Inn though!
BTW What's a Cheesesteak?
Interesting... no disagreement about Best Blues, only Best Pizza :)
James Andrews
Dee Zucker <j...@en.com> wrote:
>Actually, I'm old enought to remember winning the NBA Championship with
>Elvin Hayes and Wes Unseld (playing Center), the Orioles winning the
>World Series with Eddie Murray and Cal Ripken (on the same team),
>and The Redskins win several Super Bowls.
I remember that World Series--'83, wasn't it? Beat my beloved
Phils...
<snip?
>What do I do now, root for the skins again ?
Why don't you try rooting for the Eagles for a while? They haven't
won it all since 1960, so you can't make their luck any worse...
Jas.
------------------------------------
James Andrews
Teleologist <Teleo...@sorry.noEmail> wrote:
>Right about Gino's for thick crust. For thin crust it's hard to beat
>Home Run Inn though!
>
>BTW What's a Cheesesteak?
It's a fabulous creation. Here's what you do: take cheap beef, slice
it really thin, then throw it on the grill (NO OIL). Fry up some
onions on the same grill. When the meat browns, and is cooked most of
the way through, put a couple slices of American cheese (or provolone)
on top, and put the whole thing into an Italian roll. Some people say
you're supposed to use Whiz instead of any "real" cheese, but that's a
matter of taste.
The really tough thing about finding one (or a really good hoagie for
that matter) outside of the Phila/Jersey area is the hoagie roll.
S.W. Wortis
In article <4niuvq$m...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, sefs...@aol.com (SEFSTRAT)
wrote:
>Shaun wrote:
>
><<Yeah? Well just TRY to find good schrod outside of Boston.
>
>Just don't ask me what schrod actually is, though...>>
>
>I think it's a lot like "scrod". They sell it here.
>
>SEFS...@AOL.com
No way, bud. Same phylum; same class; same order; same genus; different species.
The Boston variety is highly prized, at least over the Rochester variety.
David Swanger
Ok, so there's not a lot of good Italian food in the south... and I've had
some "Philly" steak sandwiches here that were barely edible...and why in
the hell would you take a perfectly good chicken wing and dump hot sauce
on it, I'll never understand, (maybe if I ever go to New York, I'll try
the real thing)...
However, there is one thing the South has that I have had trouble finding
elsewhere and that is good barbecue (aka BBQ). To update the uninformed,
BBQ is Pork (not beef (yech), chicken, goat or fish - many of these meats
can be tasty, but they can't be BBQ), slowly smoked over Hickory coals,
cut with a knife when done (not pulled apart like some heathens do) and
the sauce, although optional, must be red. Yellow, white, clear, vinegar,
whatever sauces, although often edible, automatically preclude said food
from being called BBQ (although, vinegar-based marinades are acceptable,
as long as they are heavily spiced). BBQ is best eaten with white bread,
beans, Brunswick stew and pre-sweetened tea (another delicacy rarely found
outside of the South).
I remember when Jimi Hendrix was on the Dick Cavett show, he talked about
the BBQ he and Phil Heaggy used to cook. Jimi claimed that Phil made the
best sauce he'd ever tasted. "It's heavenly stuff, man" Jimi said, (which
seems a little eerie today). Then Dick made some comments about the BBQ
Beef Ribs he used to eat at Yale, Jimi rolled his eyes, mumbled some
comment about "...grilled Beef heresy..." and smacked Dick with his Strat.
They went straight to commercial...
--
David Swanger
Division of University Computing
Auburn University, Alabama
swa...@mail.auburn.edu
(it's funny, a food and football thread in a guitar group, one of my
shameless interests is rec.sport.football.college, there have been on/off
food religious wars waged there for several years, ESPECIALLY regarding
BBQ. I guess food and football go together and now guitars have been
added to the mix. Maybe I'll post to rsfc and ask if anyone knows what
kind up pickups Tom Osborne uses on his strat...)
tom_...@amrcorp.com
>Shaun wrote:
>
><<Yeah? Well just TRY to find good schrod outside of Boston.
>
>Just don't ask me what schrod actually is, though...>>
>
I thought it was past pluperfect tense for an act that could get you
arrested.
David Roach
David Swanger (swa...@mail.auburn.edu) wrote:
: (it's funny, a food and football thread in a guitar group, one of my
: shameless interests is rec.sport.football.college, there have been on/off
: food religious wars waged there for several years, ESPECIALLY regarding
: BBQ. I guess food and football go together and now guitars have been
: added to the mix. Maybe I'll post to rsfc and ask if anyone knows what
: kind up pickups Tom Osborne uses on his strat...)
Well, I guess it's up to me to somehow tie all this football and
amps together. Saturday I went to see a couple of local bands
at the Wine Festival in Healdsburg, CA, and lo and behold behind
the bandstand area were Joe Montana, Steve Bono, and Harris Barton (49ers), trying to be incognito while the wives hit the plaza stores.
Jennifer Montana was downright scary in her commando shopping mode,
hitting every shop and finally returning to retreive the larger
items, including a giant wicker "cat house". I'd certainly hate
to pay her VISA bill...
Dave R.
Dave Cigna
S.W. Wortis <swo...@oeb.harvard.edu> wrote:
>In article <4niuvq$m...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, sefs...@aol.com (SEFSTRAT)
>wrote:
>
>>
>><<Yeah? Well just TRY to find good schrod outside of Boston.
>>
>>Just don't ask me what schrod actually is, though...>>
>>
>>
>>SEFS...@AOL.com
>
>
>No way, bud. Same phylum; same class; same order; same genus; different species.
>
>The Boston variety is highly prized, at least over the Rochester variety.
Have you ever had a 'garbage plate' from Nick Tahoe's? I dare you to find
anything like that in Boston! Substitutes maybe...
James Andrews
In article <4nlgp2$8...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, tomb...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
(Thomas F Brown) wrote:
> Wings? Cheesesteaks? Kid's play. Try getting real chicken parmegian
> in the south. Last time I was in north carolina they brought me
> fried chicken with american cheese melted over the top. They're
> lucky I didn't barf on the plate.
We were in Wyoming a week ago, and my girlfriend ordered a chicken
enchilada at a Mexican restaurant we went to. The chicken was those
pressed, formed cubes that are in those frozen pot pies you buy at the
store.
Don't ask why we went to a Mexican restaurant in Wyoming--it wasn't our choice.
Jas.
--
Daniel Stanley
swa...@mail.auburn.edu (David Swanger) wrote:
A whole bunch of reasonable stuff, AND THEN...
>
>I remember when Jimi Hendrix was on the Dick Cavett show, he talked
about
>the BBQ he and Phil Heaggy used to cook. Jimi claimed that Phil made
the
>best sauce he'd ever tasted. "It's heavenly stuff, man" Jimi said,
(which
>seems a little eerie today). Then Dick made some comments about the
BBQ
>Beef Ribs he used to eat at Yale, Jimi rolled his eyes, mumbled some
>comment about "...grilled Beef heresy..." and smacked Dick with his
Strat.
>They went straight to commercial...
>
>
>--
>David Swanger
>Division of University Computing
>Auburn University, Alabama
>swa...@mail.auburn.edu
OK, let's all put on our Carlll hats...1..2..3.." HEY, DAVE EAT BBG
SH#T"!
D. STANLEY: nsl...@prodigy.com
..and I heard Papa tell Mama,
" Let that boy boogie woogie"
- John Lee Hooker
Peter Bradt
In article <4noeso$f...@nntp.onramp.net>, Nick Schepis
<stra...@onramp.net> wrote:
> Dee Zucker <j...@en.com> wrote:
>
> >What do I do now, root for the skins again ?
>
> The whole U.S. should just give up and root for Dallas.
> We got the braggin' rights, and by God, we use 'em! :)
Well Nick,
After seeing the Michael Irvin story on the tube last night, you may have
the bragging rights but you got the sleaziest bunch of people playing
football in this or any universe. What a bunch of great players that are
*losers.*
Besides, after losing Larry Brown, Russell Maryland, Irvin (the NFL will
suspend him, I'll bet a six-pack on that), Charles Haley (I had back
surgery in Feb. and I can tell you I'd *never* play football after
that...I'm *still* sore) the Cryboys will be crying and the 49ers will be
back on top.
I'd rather be dead than root for Dallas...go 49ers...
Chris Thomas
S.W. Wortis wrote:
>
>
> Yeah? Well just TRY to find good schrod outside of Boston.
>
> Just don't ask me what schrod actually is, though...
>
I ordered *scrod* last time I was in Boston, and asked what it
was. The waitress told me it was just another name for cod.
--
--------------------------
Relax. Have a cigar.
Chris cth...@cldx.com
Elliot Iver
I hate sports.
I also never met a jock who could play guitar worth a shit, either.
Elliot
"You drank beer, you played golf, you watched football - WE EVOLVED!"
---Frank Zappa
David Swanger
Daniel Stanley (NSL...@prodigy.com) wrote:
: swa...@mail.auburn.edu (David Swanger) wrote:
: A whole bunch of reasonable stuff, AND THEN...
: >
: >I remember when Jimi Hendrix was on the Dick Cavett show, he talked
: about
: >the BBQ he and Phil Heaggy used to cook. Jimi claimed that Phil made
: OK, let's all put on our Carlll hats...1..2..3.." HEY, DAVE EAT BBG
: SH#T"!
Sorry Dan, didn't mean to hit a nerve (it was a joke, lighten up).
--
David Swanger
Division of University Computing
Auburn University, Alabama
swa...@mail.auburn.edu
(btw, Oh yeah, it's BBQ, not BBG...)
Jeff Vineburg
>> Wings? Cheesesteaks? Kid's play. Try getting real chicken parmegian
>Don't ask why we went to a Mexican restaurant in Wyoming--it wasn't our choice.
Let me be the one to tie this all back together:
When in L.A. and you find yourself shopping on Sunset, make sure to
hit the dark little Mexican joint across from Guitar Center. I can
personally recommend the shrimp with beans and rice, as well as the
margaritas and iced tea.
It was a great gastronomic delight, on par with the actual guitar
shopping, but much cheaper.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Vineburg je...@netaxs.com Nuclear Fish nuke...@netaxs.com
http://www.netaxs.com/~jeffv http://www.netaxs.com/~nukefish
lefty guitar info, musical humor song parodies, as heard on Stern show
NBE310200-Askew
In article <DrpHA...@mail.auburn.edu>,
David Swanger <swa...@mail.auburn.edu> wrote:
>
>However, there is one thing the South has that I have had trouble finding
>elsewhere and that is good barbecue (aka BBQ). To update the uninformed,
>BBQ is Pork (not beef (yech), chicken, goat or fish - many of these meats
>can be tasty, but they can't be BBQ), slowly smoked over Hickory coals,
>cut with a knife when done (not pulled apart like some heathens do) and
>the sauce, although optional, must be red. Yellow, white, clear, vinegar,
>whatever sauces, although often edible, automatically preclude said food
>from being called BBQ (although, vinegar-based marinades are acceptable,
>as long as they are heavily spiced). BBQ is best eaten with white bread,
>beans, Brunswick stew and pre-sweetened tea (another delicacy rarely found
>outside of the South).
>
>David Swanger
Dave,
Theres a little place up around Muscle Shoals, maybe Florence?
Its about 5 minutes west of Fame Studio. The have these pulled
pork sandwiches. The place is so small that you cant get more
than about 15 people in the building. I think the name is
'Southern Bar-B-Q'. (real original). The have THE best pulled pork
sandwich in the south! I have had them in Georgia, Ala, Miss
Tenn. I have even had them at that place in Memphis that the
KAng!(corrected southern spelling for Elvis) would frequent.
This place up in the Shoals uses only hickory smoked shoulder
meat. You can smell the hickory a 1/4 mile if the wind is right.
The meat has no! sauce on it. The sauce is a vineger based
hot sauce thats mixed in with a cabbage based slaw. NOTE:They do
not call this a BBQ. They call it a pulled pork sandwich. They
come mild, hot, xhot. For me its almost worth the 1200 mile round
trip drive.
Steve
Doin That Blues ThAng!
Nick Schepis
"Jack A. Zucker" <j...@en.com> wrote:
>
>Yeah, but not everyone is into 'doing' hookers and lines of coke in
>cheap out of the way hotels.
Guilty....:)
NS
Nick Schepis
At 07:36 AM 5/21/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Well Nick,
>
>After seeing the Michael Irvin story on the tube last night, you may have
>the bragging rights but you got the sleaziest bunch of people playing
>football in this or any universe. What a bunch of great players that are
>*losers.*
>
>Besides, after losing Larry Brown, Russell Maryland, Irvin (the NFL will
>suspend him, I'll bet a six-pack on that), Charles Haley (I had back
>surgery in Feb. and I can tell you I'd *never* play football after
>that...I'm *still* sore) the Cryboys will be crying and the 49ers will be
>back on top.
>
>I'd rather be dead than root for Dallas...go 49ers...
I love it! The 49ers are the most over-rated bunch of skunks in sports!
Too bad, they didn't get any of those Dallas free agents, that would've
been the only chance they would have to even make a run for the trophy.
Dallas has lost more important players than those guys every year after
winning a Super Bowl. Where d'ya think Ken Norton came from? Rice is
over the hill, Young is a choker and the rest of those slobs are so
mediocre they aren't worth mentioning.
Here's rubbing your nose in it...
NS
Dallas Cowboys
Super Bowl Champs.
Daniel Stanley
Elliot Iver <kki...@students.wisc.edu> wrote:
>
>I hate sports.
>
> I also never met a jock who could play guitar worth a shit, either.
> Elliot
>
Didn't I see Eddie Van Halen and Neil Young playing in the same foursome
at a recent Bob Hope ( or other) tournament?
D. STANLEY: nsl...@prodigy.com
..and I heard Papa tell Mama,
" Let that boy hit it out of the trap...bite!..bite!...YOU THE MAN, JOHN
LEE!"
- John Lee Hooker
Dee Zucker
Nick Schepis wrote:
> Too bad, they didn't get any of those Dallas free agents, that would've
> been the only chance they would have to even make a run for the trophy.
> Dallas has lost more important players than those guys every year after
> winning a Super Bowl. Where d'ya think Ken Norton came from? Rice is
> over the hill, Young is a choker and the rest of those slobs are so
> mediocre they aren't worth mentioning.
>
Now I know why I hate sports fans. Half the team is boffing someone
other than their wife and doing enough coke for a whole city but
as long as they keep winning, we look the other way.
-Jaz
Carl Fiadino
NSL...@prodigy.com (Daniel Stanley) wrote:
>swa...@mail.auburn.edu (David Swanger) wrote:
>A whole bunch of reasonable stuff, AND THEN...
>>
>>I remember when Jimi Hendrix was on the Dick Cavett show, he talked
>about
>>the BBQ he and Phil Heaggy used to cook. Jimi claimed that Phil made
>>best sauce he'd ever tasted. "It's heavenly stuff, man" Jimi said,
>(which
>>seems a little eerie today). Then Dick made some comments about the
>BBQ
>>Beef Ribs he used to eat at Yale, Jimi rolled his eyes, mumbled some
>>comment about "...grilled Beef heresy..." and smacked Dick with his
>Strat.
>>They went straight to commercial...
>>
>>
>>David Swanger
>>Division of University Computing
>>Auburn University, Alabama
>>swa...@mail.auburn.edu
>
>SH#T"!
>
>
Flip was patting a huge watermelon the whole interview. Carl
Nick Schepis
Dee Zucker <j...@en.com> wrote:
>Now I know why I hate sports fans. Half the team is boffing someone
>other than their wife and doing enough coke for a whole city but
>as long as they keep winning, we look the other way.
So what? They're paid to play football, and play it well. I don't
hold the likes of Hendrix or SRV to some high-born moral standard.
If they choose to gamble with illegal or potentially fatal endeavours,
then they pay the price. In the meantime, I'll enjoy the ultimate human
performance for what is has to offer me (or the sport, or the music).
While I've mellowed considerably in my years, I can't say I've not
flirted with disaster on both legal and moral grounds. People are
human, and if we disaprove of one another, then we have that right,
but not to the point of forcing our (your) narrow-minded views
upon those of which we disaprove.
Judge not, lest ye be judged. (unless, of course the amp's a piece of shit!)
NS
Teleologist
Nick Schepis wrote:
>
> At 07:36 AM 5/21/96 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >Well Nick,
> >
> >After seeing the Michael Irvin story on the tube last night, you may have
> >the bragging rights but you got the sleaziest bunch of people playing
> >football in this or any universe.
Maybe Kendrick will play in place of Irvin. He has better lows, but I don't
know about the highs! :)
Jack A. Zucker
Nick Schepis wrote:
>
> So what? They're paid to play football, and play it well. I don't
> hold the likes of Hendrix or SRV to some high-born moral standard.
I have an idea, let's keep all the musicians\athletes in cages and
feed them drugs and women all day and night and only let them out
to perform for us.
-Jaz
David Swanger
NBE310200-Askew (sk...@nwscb.nw.att.com) wrote:
: In article <DrpHA...@mail.auburn.edu>,
: David Swanger <swa...@mail.auburn.edu> wrote:
: >
: >However, there is one thing the South has that I have had trouble finding
: >elsewhere and that is good barbecue (aka BBQ). To update the uninformed,
: >BBQ is Pork (not beef (yech), chicken, goat or fish - many of these meats
: Dave,
: Theres a little place up around Muscle Shoals, maybe Florence?
: Its about 5 minutes west of Fame Studio. The have these pulled
: pork sandwiches. The place is so small that you cant get more
...
: hot sauce thats mixed in with a cabbage based slaw. NOTE:They do
: not call this a BBQ. They call it a pulled pork sandwich. They
: come mild, hot, xhot. For me its almost worth the 1200 mile round
: trip drive.
: Steve
: Doin That Blues ThAng!
Pulled pork. Hmmph. Well, at least they have the decency not to call it
BBQ!!! ;-)
Maybe the next time I'm Muscle Shoals working on my next album or visiting
relatives (whichever comes first), I'll check this place out...
Morg
On Tue, 21 May 1996, Elliot Iver wrote:
> Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:58:02 -0500
> From: Elliot Iver <kki...@students.wisc.edu>
> Newsgroups: alt.guitar.amps, rec.music.makers.guitar, alt.guitar
> Subject: ALL SPORTS SUCK
>
> I hate sports.
>
> I also never met a jock who could play guitar worth a shit, either.
>
>
>
>
> Elliot
>
>
> "You drank beer, you played golf, you watched football - WE EVOLVED!"
>
> ---Frank Zappa
>
>
I think Nuno is a self proclaimed "jock"---and he can play guitar. ;>
-morg
Jack A. Zucker
Morg wrote:
> > I hate sports.
> >
> > I also never met a jock who could play guitar worth a shit, either.
Bo Jackson sat in with the Mahavishnu Orchestra and blew McLaughlin
away. They did a duel in one tune and Bo matched him note for note,
before ending the tune with an amazing cresendo of notes that had
McLaughlin on his knees begging for mercy.
-Jaz
Clancy
>I think Nuno is a self proclaimed "jock"---and he can play guitar. ;>
What's a Nuno?
Clancy
and then he tore a ligament in his hand and ruined his atletic
career.
Greg Matson
In <Pine.SOL.3.93.960522...@graphix.cs.uoregon.edu>
Morg <mor...@cs.uoregon.edu> writes:
>
>
>
>On Tue, 21 May 1996, Elliot Iver wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:58:02 -0500
>> From: Elliot Iver <kki...@students.wisc.edu>
>> Newsgroups: alt.guitar.amps, rec.music.makers.guitar, alt.guitar
>> Subject: ALL SPORTS SUCK
>>
>> I hate sports.
>>
either.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "You drank beer, you played golf, you watched football - WE
EVOLVED!"
>>
>> ---Frank Zappa
>>
>>
>
>
>
Sammy Hagar is an avid mountain biker, even owns a bike shop. Also, is
your hatred misdirected, and the real fact is that you suck at them?
Jeff Vineburg
>Now I know why I hate sports fans. Half the team is boffing someone
>other than their wife and doing enough coke for a whole city but
>as long as they keep winning, we look the other way.
Hey hey HEY now.....
This is not the sprots ng. This is the cheese steak ng, you fool!
:)
Jeff Vineburg
sk...@nwscb.nw.att.com (NBE310200-Askew) wrote:
> Theres a little place up around Muscle Shoals, maybe Florence?
> Its about 5 minutes west of Fame Studio. The have these pulled
> pork sandwiches.
Stop pulling your pork and get back to arguing about amps please :)
Jeff Vineburg
ch...@clt.mindspring.com (Charles Held) wrote:
>In article <31A1E8...@students.wisc.edu>,
> Elliot Iver <kki...@students.wisc.edu> wrote:
>=I hate sports.
>If my alma mater couldn't beat Northwestern I think I would too.
Now have a shot at me!
I live in the Philthydelphia suburbs. The Eagles suck. The Flyers
suck. The Sixers suck, The Phillies suck.
I hate sports too.
Otoh, I was just informed that Chris Duarte was appearing here on
Memorial Day. If I can find a local Rent-An-Uzi, I might venture into
Philthy for it.
Clancy
>>> I also never met a jock who could play guitar worth a shit,
>either.
>>
>> -morg
>Sammy Hagar is an avid mountain biker, even owns a bike shop. Also, is
>your hatred misdirected, and the real fact is that you suck at them?
Wasn't that guy who used to play in Mountain, really into Sumo wrestling?
David Roach
Clancy (cmi...@hpcf.cc.utexas.edu) wrote:
: >> > I also never met a jock who could play guitar worth a shit, either.
: >
: >Bo Jackson sat in with the Mahavishnu Orchestra and blew McLaughlin
: >before ending the tune with an amazing cresendo of notes that had
: >McLaughlin on his knees begging for mercy.
: and then he tore a ligament in his hand and ruined his athletic
: career.
Ah, so that's what _really_ happened to Bo Jackson. He should've
known you have to be in top shape to shred on acoustic guitar.
They say guitar players are "hand athletes"... hmmm, I wonder
where that started from?
"I was head-cuttin' with Vai and pulled an ear muscle..."
-Wanker J. Shredski III