Suhr guitar: final review
SEFSTRAT
(copyright SEFSTRAT, 1998)
I’ve finally had a little time to play this guitar through a few different
amplifiers. I haven’t taken it out on a gig, and won’t. The prospect of a
ding in the finish on a brand new guitar that isn’t mine and is in my hands on
loan for review purposes scares me too much; plus, the case doesn’t need to be
exposed to that smoky club smell before the true owner even receives it! I
therefore limited the group playing to a band rehearsal.
This was a difficult review to write. This is an instrument custom-ordered by
someone else, to their preferences. In playing it and in forming my
impressions, I have tried to separate my personal preferences from my
impressions of the guitar’s quality, because in some respects, the guitar has
wonderfully executed features that are simply things I personally wouldn’t
choose. Being critical of certain design choices in a mass production guitar
is fair game, but it’s a little different where a custom order is concerned.
This review incorporates, and in some cases, edits, my earlier initial
impressions. Some have complained that my reviews are too long, or too
detailed. My take on this: if John Suhr can take the degree of time and care
in making the instrument, and the owner is kind enough to send it to me for
review purposes, then I owe it a thorough job.
Upon opening the box, I smiled; it looked like I’d been shipped a PRS instead.
SAME case! You know, the nice case with the thick handle (feels like leather),
thick stitching, and so on. This case has an additional feature that my PRS
cases do not have: extra metal “feet” on one side of the case, so that when
you lay the case down flat to open it, it’s on feet, rather than on the side of
the case directly. Nice. The inside of the case is very plush. In addition,
the accessories pocket in this case is twice the size of the ones in my PRS
cases. John Suhr tells me that this case is indeed made by the same folks who
make the cases for PRS.
When I first opened the case, my eyebrows were raised for a second. No
frets??!! Huh??!! Aaauugghhh! Then I realized that Suhr ships guitars with a
fingerboard ‘guard’; it’s a hard piece of black plastic that slides between the
strings and the fingerboard, fitting over the fingerboard and protecting the
frets. Carvin used to ship guitars like that; I don’t know if they still do.
Then I took the guitar out of the case...and damn near lifted it up over my
head! This is absolutely the lightest ‘strat’ I’ve ever touched. It’s got to
be half the weight of my G&L Legacy Special, and it’s even substantially
lighter than my Yamaha Pacifica). The body is alder, as opposed to the swamp
ash of my G&L, but the body of the Yamaha is alder and more sculpted, and the
Suhr is noticeably lighter than even that guitar. I’ve had alder strats, too,
and they were nothing like this. It’s obvious that someone spent a lot of time
going through wood. I want to emphasize this, because the guitar isn’t just
lighter than expected...it’s a LOT lighter than expected.
COSMETICS:
The guitar body color is called “black cherry (metallic)” on the detailed spec
sheet that accompanies the guitar. To me, it looks more of an eggplant color.
The ‘metallic’ look is extremely subtle, it’s kind of beneath the surface. Not
my thing personally, but beautifully executed...and I mean beautifully. Those
of you who have read my opinion of price vs. value in a strat-style guitar
realize that I’m not going to be terribly accepting of flaws at this price
point. Well, there aren’t any. ANY. I looked over every millimeter of this
instrument carefully; there is not one ripple, not one bump, not one thin paint
spot, no unevenness, no color variation, not a single hint of orange peel. You
could literally shave in this finish. As you might imagine, my cherryburst PRS
quilt top’s finish job is awfully good, but the Suhr guitar is better. It has
the best paint job I’ve ever seen on a guitar in my life. Mr. Suhr has to be
the most anal person on earth to produce this. I now feel certain that if you
squeezed his toothpaste tube in the middle, he would have to be
institutionalized for a time.
The neck is birdseye maple, and it’s very pretty. The birdseye figuring is
noticeably more pronounced to one side of the back of the neck than the other.
The birdseye is an ‘extra’. I asked John Suhr about it, and he confirmed that
it was something that ordinarily would not be done on a ‘standard’ Suhr neck,
unless you specifically asked for it. Personally, I can’t see paying a $300.00
upcharge for that particular feature; you can’t really see it while you play,
no one else can either, and a straight-grain maple neck’s more consistent and
stronger, anyway (don't take my word for that last part; Suhr confirmed it).
In this particular case, the birdseye was included as a ‘courtesy spiff’; it’s
a valued Suhr dealer’s personal guitar. You can see the birdseye effect on the
headstock, but it’s more subtle there than on the back of the neck. The back
of the neck is finished in a clear poly or clearcoat paint of some kind; it
feels ‘natural’, reasonably satiny, and does not have that ‘painted, sticky
feel’ I object to on some other instruments.
The neck is a 4-bolt type, attaches in the manner of a strat, and does not have
any adjustment screws. The neck bolt plate is featureless; no stamping. The
neck pocket is ridiculous; dead tight, a beautiful fit, so good that I started
looking for those little force cracks in the paint you sometimes see when it’s
TOO tight (there were none).
The fingerboard is listed as Madagascar Rosewood; John Suhr also calls it “Bois
de Rois” to explain that it’s the “red” variety, rather than the “black” type
(I advised him that I preferred the Chateau Lafite-Rothschild to the ‘Bois de
Rois’. Besides, playing a bar gig with ‘Bois de Rois’ might get you beat up in
some places). You can see the reddish hue in the wood’s variations. There are
no gaps, voids, fills, or low spots. The fingerboard is significantly thicker
than, say, the thin slabs Fender has been using lately. This one’s on a par
with the fingerboard on my PRS CE22, and appears a little thinner than the
fingerboard on my G&L Legacy Special. There are dot inlays, as one would
expect on a strat.
The pickguard and trem plate cover are of the 3 ply (white/black/white)
‘pearloid’ fancy type. This pickguard is about a $40.00 upcharge, and really
spiffs up the look of the guitar. The trem plate cover is not recessed, and is
made of the same material.
The truss rod adjustment is, a little surprisingly (Suhr-prisingly?), not at
the headstock end of the neck, but instead, is at the point where the guitar
neck meets the body. There’s a little U-shaped piece carved out of the
pickguard where it meets the neck, just under the end of the fingerboard,
between the neck pickup and the end of the neck itself. It’s set so that you
can fit a little specialized wrench in there (supplied) without removing the
strings or the pickguard. It looks quite functional (I did not tweak the rod).
It also looks, in my opinion, rather unattractive. I asked John Suhr about
this, and he indicated that a decent percentage of his customers liked Floyd
Rose type trem systems, in which a piece of hardware interferes with
headstock-located truss rod access, and that he therefore designed things this
way. I don't think it matters functionally...I just find the carved-out
pickguard and the ‘hole’ at the end of the neck to be rather ugly. It looks
cheap. My 14-year-old daughter saw the guitar and asked “why is that hole dug
out of there”? Suhr says that he can make them the other way, without
additional cost, and is not stuck doing them all like the Floyd Rose models.
In that case, I’d prefer it the other way. I think it really detracts from the
look of the instrument.
The headstock bears the Suhr logo, in gold lettering with black outline. The
back of the headstock is signed by John Suhr, in silver. This particular one,
intended for Doug, of Indoor Storm/The Music Loft, says “To Doug, love and
kisses, John Suhr” (no, not really).
HARDWARE:
The guitar has BIG frets, PRS-style. I love ‘em. If you love really
traditional-feeling strats, don't order these, get the smaller ones. These are
substantial.
The tuners are locking Sperzels, in chrome, of the part brushed/part shiny
variety. These are the same as, say, on a G&L Legacy Special and certain
higher model Fenders, and they work well.
The strap buttons are oversized, similar to what PRS does on their guitars.
Yeah! No straplocks needed, and nice and secure.
The 1/4” jack is located in the radius of the body, and is NOT angled into the
top of the body like a strat’s. It’s located in the same place as, say, a
Yamaha Pacifica, a PRS, a Hamer FM, a Les Paul, and so on: in the edge of the
guitar, on the lower bout, in the curve. I like this; no chance of the cord
interfering with the trem arm. Also, if you use a 90 degree plug on your
guitar cable, it’ll wrap out of sight behind your strap for a nice clean
‘cordless’ look. It’s a solid jack; a cord really snaps into place when you
plug it in.
The bridge is a Gotoh, with stainless steel saddles. If you haven’t seen one,
it’s pretty Wilkinson-like in appearance. The trem arm pushes in--no
threads--in the manner of a G&L; there’s a little allen screw that enables you
to adjust how freely the trem arm swings in the socket. There’s no little
spring to lose, of course. The saddles are not ‘contained’ from the outside
edges; there is no portion of the bridge outside of the high and low E strings
controlling lateral travel. This means that when you change strings, the
saddles can flop around a little. Also, if you hit the trem arm hard, the
saddle will move laterally a little. While this is a more ‘vintage’ look,
contrast this with, say the PRS trem, where the saddles are laterally confined
in a ‘box’ that does not allow any lateral motion.
While this Gotoh trem is functional, it is the one thing on the guitar that
immediately doesn’t thrill me. I believe that a PRS trem is noticeably
superior to this in feel and in tuning stability. Matter of fact, my G&L
bridge feels better than this and is a lot more substantial, as well. Part if
this is the very loose feel, which is a personal subjective issue, but part of
it is the function, which really isn’t. Both my G&L and my PRS trems return to
tune better than this Gotoh bridge does. In addition, because this trem’s
tension is so loose, it’s particularly prone to the detuning that occurs when
you bend one string and fret another unbent string, double-stop style.
John Suhr tells me that the tone of this bridge is one of the reasons he likes
it. I can render no opinion there, having not heard the same guitar with any
other bridge.
Suhr is developing the option of a PRS type trem bridge that will (of course)
differ from PRSs proprietary unit somewhat. For one thing, it’ll have a thick
trem arm instead of the PRS thin one, and perhaps two post points (like G&L)
instead of six screw points, and be made by the same shop as the PRS trems.
Now I find THAT interesting.
PLAYING IMPRESSIONS:
This neck shape and size is a ‘standard’ kind of size, and I think most folks
will like it a lot. It’s narrower than, say, a PRS wide, but wider than, say,
a G&L Legacy Special fingerboard. A nice combination and balance between being
fast and having enough there to give you something to hold onto for extended
rhythm playing. This is a really nice neck. I happen to have very large hands,
and if I were custom-ordering a guitar I might ideally look at something a
little wider, which Suhr does offer...but I’d have no trouble with this one.
The setup was done with .10s (great, because I sure wasn’t gonna change it on
Doug’s guitar!). The setup out of the box is superb. Intonation is dead-on.
No buzz, the strings beautifully follow the curve of the fretboard, and it
feels great.
I am one of those folks who believes that if an electric solidbody sounds weak
acoustically, I’m unlikely to be impressed by the tone when the guitar is
plugged in. I like an open ‘natural’ tone with a lot of stringiness and spank,
and in my opinion, that’s either in the instrument or it’s not. (Note: Les
Pauls often sound weak to me acoustically and sometimes sound great plugged in
anyway...but that sound is not what I’d call ‘natural with a lot of stringiness
and spank’, either; it’s a more compressed sound...you get the idea). For me,
I can emphasize aspects of the instrument’s tone or de-emphasize aspects of
that tone utilizing pickup swapouts, but only if the tone is there in the first
place.
This guitar has the best acoustic unplugged tone of any electric solidbody I’ve
ever played in my life. It’s even across the strings, has spank in the attack,
and sounds sparkly and full. It sounds PRETTY, played unplugged in a quiet
room. The feel of this guitar plus that ringing acoustic sound had me playing
the guitar unplugged for the first 30 minutes after I took the guitar out of
its case. I’ve played very few guitars that would cause me to play unplugged
for so long.
PLUGGING IN:
The guitar’s control setup looks like the usual, but isn’t, in a couple of
respects. It’s a typical strat-style setup, visually: three knobs and the
five-way blade switch.
The first knob is volume, as expected.
The second is a treble cut for the whole guitar.
The third knob is a ‘blend’ knob: in any pickup selector position in which you
have selected the neck pickup OR the bridge pickup, you can blend the other one
into the mix, in varying degrees. When the control is 100% clockwise, it’s
nothing out of the ordinary; you’re only hearing the pickup you selected with
the blade switch. When you have engaged either the bridge or the neck pickup
by way of the pickup selector, rolling the ‘blend’ knob counterclockwise
incrementally brings in the other pickup. Full counterclockwise rotation
produces a 50/50 blend. This works in the “in between” positions, too (for
example, if you select the position in between the middle and bridge pickups,
you’ve still selected the bridge pickup, and therefore you can ‘blend in’ the
neck pickup). This produces one interesting by-product of a result: if you
select the neck pickup and roll the blend control fully counterclockwise (now
you have 50% neck and 50% bridge), then switch to the bridge pickup without
touching anything else, you have exactly the same sound. Whether you blend
the neck in with the bridge to the 50/50 level or blend the bridge in with the
neck at the 50/50 level, the result is the same.
If you have trouble imagining what a strat neck/bridge tone sounds like, play a
stock Strat Ultra. Although the pickups are drastically different in the Ultra,
the stock center pickup selector position is neck plus bridge, and will give
you some idea of the kind of the sound you get in a 50/50 bridge/neck blend.
The blend control does produce some interesting timbres, but I don't think I’d
use it much. I liked it best with the bridge pickup selected and a bit of neck
pickup blended in, for overdriven leads; this added a little more thickness and
body to the tone. You can do the same in the ‘in between the middle and the
bridge’ position for overdriven/distorted chords (adds a little girth for, say,
the rhythm guitar intro to the Doobies’ “China Grove”). You get the idea. I
found the converse practice of blending in a bit of the bridge pickup into the
neck positions less useful. Your mileage may vary.
The guitar was played through the following:
--Matchless SC30, with and without a Fulltone Fulldrive2 and/or TC Electronics
chorus pedal
and/or Boss CS-3 compressor pedal
--Fender silverface Pro (late 60s) 2x12 combo, with and without a TC
Electronics chorus pedal
--prototype solid state 1x12 combo with onboard digital signal processing
--Marshall JCM 900 Dual Reverb 50-watt 1x12 combo, with and without Ibanez TS-9
(original)
--ART Power Plant, ART FXR Elite and/or ART Multiverb (2.0 program), Mosvalve
power amp,
Mesa Dual Rectifier 1x12 sealed back enclosure (Celestion 30)
I wanted to try a VHT too, but alas, my schedule and the owner’s didn’t mesh.
This guitar is equipped with three single coil “V-60” pickups. They are a Suhr
design, and are wound in his shop, I believe. They are not as sweet and
bell-like as, say, the Lindy Fralins I once had, but they are a lot clearer and
sweeter than a stock strat pickup. They’re also obviously wound hotter than a
stock strat pickup, and sound a bit fatter. The middle one is reverse-wound,
so you get some hum cancellation in the ‘in-between’ positions.
The “quack” factor in the “in between the middle and the bridge” is nice and
snappy, and very pronounced. The combinations of pickups and sounds are
consistent with what you’d expect of a early 60’s strat, but a bit fatter.
This includes the time-honored tendency for the bridge pickup, selected alone,
to get excessively glassy on a too-clean amp setting. Ow. Yes, this IS strat
city.
The guitar sounded great through the Matchless and the Fender (but stay off the
‘bright’ channel on the Fender!); it really matched those amps well. The twang
of the lower strings was steely and snappy; really a great sound. The guitar
sounded less exciting through the Marshall (which more favors the higher output
of humbuckers and more midrange-heavy pickups) and the solid-state combo
(predictably). Interestingly, it sounded great through the Power Plant! The
pickups have a lot of definition and clarity, and that piece of gear, like a
lot of solid-state processing gear, likes that.
This pickup scheme, for me, suffers from a certain lack of girth and thickness
at times. This is not necessarily a comment on these particular pickups; most
strat-type single coil equipped guitars share this. I love the sound of this
guitar for country and more classic rock stuff. Clean and chorused, it really
is pretty...think of a strat, but sweeter and with more body. The middle
pickup through the Boss CS-3 compressor into the first channel of the Matchless
produced the quintessential country lead tone; a lot of snap and steely punch.
The neck pickup position on this guitar sounds great; lower notes on the E and
A strings sound especially full and round compared to other single-coil strat
style guitars. You can get a great twang and snap out of this instrument.
Yes, you also get that Claptonesque “ooo” vowel ‘yelp’ as you work your way up
around and above the 9th fret or so, using some overdrive. In general,
overdriven tones were excellent; the pickups retain spank and string
separation; you hear a certain openness. Standing next to a high-gain amp at
moderate volume, I can stop the strings and the pickups don't squeal.
When you want to crank up the gain a little more, though, these pickups are not
going to leap down the cord into the amp. Although they are hotter than a
stock strat pickup, they are single coils, they are not high output pickups,
and they‘re not going to beat your amp’s input into submission. You need a
high-gain stompbox or amp channel to accomplish that. In addition, they are
prone to the noise that is one of the hallmarks of single coil pickups. There
is one local stage where this guitar would be almost unplayable due to the
surrounding neon beer signs. You’d certainly be stuck in the ‘in-between’
pickup selector positions all night.
Remember, this was a custom order; if it was mine, I’d probably go with a
pickup and/or electronics scheme that would be a bit more versatile and quieter
under adverse conditions
(say, one V60 single in the neck plus two stacked ‘buckers’ that could be cut
to singles, with maybe treble cut and bass cut controls). Suhr will do just
about anything a customer wants when a guitar is ordered.
The guitar’s intonation is excellent; I found no out-of-tune places on the neck
anywhere. In addition, the neck has no ‘dead’ spots; tone is even and
consistent. The sustain is good, but not remarkable; it’s on a par with my G&L
Legacy Special sustain-wise, and not in the league of, say, a PRS Swamp Ash
Special in that department.
Two things really come to the fore when you play this guitar, and they stick
with you. First, it’s just amazingly light. Compared to my PRS guitars, it
feels like a Parker Fly! Also, it FEELS good to play; the body’s resonant and
you can feel the wood vibrating against your body, the neck feels good, and
it’s effortless to play. It feels ALIVE when the strings start moving.
VALUE
There are a couple of ways to look at this. One is in terms of what goes into
the product to get to the finished piece. Another is in terms of the finished
product, regardless of the process required to get there.
If we look at the former approach--what goes into the product--the physical
aspects come first. It has the same tuners as my G&L Legacy Special. In my
opinion, the bridge on the Suhr is inferior in feel and function to the
two-post type G&L proprietary bridge, and is nowhere near as good as the PRS
trem (it’s a ton better than a Fender stock trem, but what isn’t?). A maple
neck (the Suhr’s birdseye neck really doesn’t count here in this analysis,
because it was a free courtesy option given to a dealer) is usual, and so are
rosewood fingerboards. The fingerboard on the Suhr appears slightly thinner
and more consistent then the G&L’s, and on a par with my PRS CE22. The alder
Suhr body is one hell of a light, resonant piece of wood, and I’ve never seen
anything that comes close on that score. The fret jobs are, believe it or not,
pretty similar between the G&L and the Suhr; the Suhr is beautifully done, and
the G&L is, too (although it’s older and has been beat a little). Both use
jumbo frets of similar or even identical dimension. If the Suhr frets are
placed better--and I’m sure they are, Feiten tuning system and all--I can’t
hear it; both intonate dead-on. Maybe an oscilloscope could tell the
difference, but my electronic tuners can’t, and neither can my ears.
Obviously, this guitar was painstakingly crafted. That’s why it plays so well
and looks so nice.
This guitar sounds great. Tonally, however, by the time you play though an amp
and any effects you may use, I don't think almost any guitarist could hear a
quality difference between this guitar and any other decent production strat or
strat clone with really good single-coil pickups. In a blind tone test, with
the guitars being played by someone else through a single amplification system,
I think listeners would be consistently wrong. This is not about tone
anywhere near as much as it is about feel.
Parenthetically, this is almost the opposite of acoustic instrument-making,
where you can often get the feel of a much more expensive instrument in a more
modestly priced model, but the tone differences abound and are often
immediately obvious to even untrained ears.
This Suhr lists for $2,398.00. If there had been an upcharge for the birdseye
maple neck, it would have listed for $2,698.00. Dealer discounts are what
you’d usually expect. Contrast this with today’s list price of $2,700.00 for a
Martin HD-28. Hmmm. Although this is made to a remarkable level of
craftsmanship, there is a significant difference in the materials and labor
involved in making that Martin as opposed to an electric solidbody.
So from a “what goes into it” basis, it’s hard to justify the price tag. It
really is. You’re talking about twice the price of a production line pro-level
solidbodied instrument.
Now on to the other approach... finished product, regardless of the process
required to get there.
Let’s suppose I wanted to make my G&L like a finished Suhr as much as possible.
It already has the same tuning machines and in my opinion, a better trem. I’d
need different pickups, initially. Let’s see..would that make it feel more
like the Suhr? No. Would it make it sound more like the Suhr? Probably. How
about hardware changes, and so on...would it feel more like the Suhr? Maybe.
Would it make it sound more like the Suhr? Possibly, although unlikely. How
about some retrofit craftsmanship on the wood? Would that make it feel or
sound more like the Suhr? Possibly, but not likely. A refret? Would that make
it feel more like the Suhr? Probably; they’d be new frets. What about
refinishing; would that make it look more like a Suhr? Maybe.
To upgrade a production line pro-level instrument to Suhr’s level of
refinement--even if it were completely possible (and, of course, it
isn’t)--would eat up a decent chunk of the price difference between the two
instruments. Indeed, the pickup changes alone would consume about 22% of the
actual price difference.
The Suhr is not particularly innovative in any way, but is executed and
constructed with a degree of care and attention to detail that can only be
fairly described as fanaticism. I have played and examined Grosh and Anderson
guitars, and while very fine instruments (particularly the Andersons), they
have not been in this league. The Suhr is made with a degree of attention to
detail that never happens on an assembly line, or in Fender’s Custom Shop,
either, custom order or not.. To get this level of attention in the
construction of a solidbodied electric guitar, one has to go to a small
boutique shop; a Suhr, Grosh, Anderson, and so on. When the finished Suhr is
stacked up against guitars of that genre, it exceeds the others I have tried ,
and it’s priced less than those other guitars.
So as a function of supply and demand in the marketplace and the going prices,
and in terms of the finished product, the Suhr is a good deal.
THE BOTTOM LINE
If you are basically going for a certain type of tone and that is your mission
in life, don't spend this kind of money on an electric solidbodied guitar.
That isn’t what it’s about. Sure, the tone’s great, but hardly unique to this
guitar; you can likely produce that tone for half the price or less. No, this
guitar is about FEEL. I’ve not played any other strat-type guitar that feels
like this; if that’s what one is after, this is the price of entry. The
difference is not a massive one. It’s subtle, incremental, and kind of grows
on you as you continue to play the guitar.
I have deliberately avoided talking ‘street price’ as opposed to list. I’ll
leave that to Doug and the folks at Indoor Storm; it’s the least I can do for
the loan of the guitar!
Now, would I pay the kind of money necessary to acquire this particular
$2,398.00 list price guitar? No. There’s too much I don't like about it; it’s
a wonderful guitar that is not my cup of tea.
BUT........This is where I run into the difficulty I mentioned at the beginning
of this review: separating personal preferences from an evaluation of quality.
Remember, if you order a guitar like this, you can specify everything about it,
and have it made exactly the way you want it. In a custom order, some of the
things I disfavor about this instrument would change (truss rod access,
pickups, choice of trem, electronics). In that event, I’d consider the
improvement in a Suhr as opposed to a production line pro-level instrument to
be a lot more than incremental. The ability to order exactly what you want,
and then have it made to these kinds of standards, is not an incremental
improvement. It’s substantial...unless, of course, you can find a production
guitar that you love and has exactly what you want already; a pretty tall order
for some of us! Even my favorite production guitar to date has things that I
don't like about it. You know, “there’s always SOMETHING”! A Suhr can remedy
that.
So I guess I reviewed a manufacturer more than a guitar, in a way.
If you want that feel, and you are able to specify exactly what you want--if it
makes you play better, feel better, run faster, jump higher--then you can’t go
wrong with a Suhr, and ought to pay the price of admission. There isn’t
anything else available any cheaper that’ll do this for you.
And I am personally considering it, if they get that PRS-type trem.
OK, folks, flame away. :)
Steve
SEFSTRAT
(SEFS...@AOL.com)
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~*Freebird*~
>(I advised him that I preferred the Chateau Lafite-Rothschild to the ‘Bois
de
>Rois’.
Who the FUCK are you to advise John Suhr? Get gone asshole.
Rob
~*Freebird*~
>The guitar has BIG frets, PRS-style. I love ‘em. If you love really
>traditional-feeling strats, don't order these, get the smaller ones.
WHAT smaller ones? There are more than two available fret sizes, SefDick.
Shoulda done your homework....
Rob
SEFSTRAT
Rob>>>>>
This is HILARIOUS!!!!! He's SO ignorant!
It was a JOKE, moron. John Suhr got it; he laughed. You're so damned stupid
and provincial that you don't even get it!!!!
"Bois de Rois" is a type of wood. It SOUNDS like the name of a fine wine.
"Chateau Lafite Rothschild" is generally regarded as one of the finest red
wines on earth, in certain vintages; it's thousands of dollars a bottle.
Rob, screw off. This review is obviously WAY over your pointy little head.
::::still chuckling:::::
Steve
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Carlginger
>SUHR GUITAR REVIEW ©
>(copyright SEFSTRAT, 1998)
>This was a difficult review to write. This is an instrument custom-ordered
>by
>someone else, to their preferences. In playing it and in forming my
>impressions, I have tried to separate my personal preferences from my
impressions of the guitar’s quality, because in some respects, the guitar has
>wonderfully executed features that are simply things I personally wouldn’t
>choose.
It doesn't effct how GP and other publications review gear.
The review what they are given, not what
they WANT to review.
>
>The truss rod adjustment is, a little surprisingly (Suhr-prisingly?), not at
>the headstock end of the neck, but instead, is at the point where the guitar
>neck meets the body. There’s a little U-shaped piece carved out of the
>pickguard where it meets the neck, just under the end of the fingerboard,
>between the neck pickup and the end of the neck itself. It’s set so that you
u
>can fit a little specialized wrench in there (supplied) without removing the
>strings or the pickguard. I don't think it matters functionally...I just
find the carved-out
>pickguard and the ‘hole’ at the end of the neck to be rather ugly. It looks
>cheap.
>My 14-year-old daughter saw the guitar and asked “why is that hole dug
>out of there”?
>In that case, I’d prefer it the other way. I think it really detracts from
>the
>look of the instrument.
>
You ever see a vintage Fender, a Tyler, a Tom Anderson, a Grosh? Fender SRV?
Fender reissues?
The truss rod is at the pickguard end of the neck.
This is totally normal.
Gouging a hole in the headstock for a truss rod weakens it as well.
>Also, if you hit the trem arm hard, the
>saddle will move laterally a little. While this is a more ‘vintage’ look,
>contrast this with, say the PRS trem, where the saddles are laterally
>confined
>in a ‘box’ that does not allow any lateral motion.
Never experience my saddles moving while using the bar.
>. I believe that a PRS trem is noticeably
>superior to this in feel and in tuning stability. Matter of fact, my G&L
>bridge feels better than this and is a lot more substantial, as well.
I experienced no tuning problems.
The PRS owes any of it's stability to that synthetic material nut they use
which is prone to wear.
> In addition, because this trem’s
>tension is so loose, it’s particularly prone to the detuning that occurs when
>you bend one string and fret another unbent string, double-stop style.
Again, this 1099 bridge reacts no differently than any other floating bridge
except a Floyd which is super sensitive to bending.
>Suhr is developing the option of a PRS type trem bridge that will (of course)
Hopefully one that features seperate intonation adjustments not the archaic
bridge
PRS switched to. A cost cutter.
>
>This pickup scheme, for me, suffers from a certain lack of girth and
>thickness
>at times.
I believe Landau and Henderson's opinions would differ.
> If the Suhr frets are
>placed better--and I’m sure they are, Feiten tuning system and all--I can’t
>hear it;
That I believe.
>Suhr is made with a degree of attention to
>detail that never happens on an assembly line, or in Fender’s Custom Shop,
>either, custom order or not..
Not in any PRS or G&L shop either.
Mass produced.
Suhr's shop is a couple of guys.
>If you are basically going for a certain type of tone and that is your
>mission
>in life, don't spend this kind of money on an electric solidbodied guitar.
>That isn’t what it’s about. Sure, the tone’s great, but hardly unique to
>this
>guitar;
Bullshit. This whole review is you comparing
this guitar to your low-line PRS and G&L.
Not the same planet.
Your ears are not qualified to review tone.
To RMMG, read my review and Eddies on Indoor storm's site. Also on Harmony
Central's Guitar Database is a Suhr review.
Also, I believe January's GP will have a review.
This review is nothing more than, "yes, it's a cool guitar, but mine are
better"!!
A joke, which is exactly what I knew it would
be.
Comparing low-level crap to a Master Builders work.
What a complete pompous joke.
Carl
Carlginger
There sure are, small, Med. and Large.
Carl
SEFSTRAT
The review what they are given, not what
they WANT to review.>>
Interesting how you cut-and-pasted. Here is the entire quote:
<<<This was a difficult review to write. This is an instrument custom-ordered
by someone else, to their preferences. In playing it and in forming my
impressions, I have tried to separate my personal preferences from my
impressions of the guitar’s quality, because in some respects, the guitar has
wonderfully executed features that are simply things I personally wouldn’t
choose. Being critical of certain design choices in a mass production guitar
is fair game, but it’s a little different where a custom order is
concerned.>>>>>>
Carlll the dishonest. How surprising.
Carl, what you think of the review matters not a whit to me.
Steve
===================
~*Freebird*~
>"Bois de Rois" is a type of wood. It SOUNDS like the name of a fine wine.
>"Chateau Lafite Rothschild" is generally regarded as one of the finest red
>wines on earth, in certain vintages; it's thousands of dollars a bottle.
>
I see. Now you're a self proclaimed wine expert. I guess that explains a
lot, you get liquored up before coming here to post.
Rob
SEFSTRAT
>You ever see a vintage Fender, a Tyler, a Tom Anderson, a Grosh? Fender SRV?
>Fender reissues?
>The truss rod is at the pickguard end of the neck.
>This is totally normal.
>Gouging a hole in the headstock for a truss rod weakens it as well.
Really?John Suhr says it doesn't matter. I asked. On factual matters, I asked
him, and took him at his word. Gues you don' agree with him, huh?
Vintage trussrods were hidden beneath the pickguard. The Suhr scheme is more
convenient, and ugly. I know, you can;t STAND to have any criticism of the
guitar you own this week. Or maybe you just didn;t think to order yours the
other way....
<<Again, this 1099 bridge reacts no differently than any other floating bridge
except a Floyd which is super sensitive to bending.>>
Then you have not tried a PRS...which is acknowledged by many to be the premier
nonlocking trem on the market. Wilkinson patterned theirs after it.
<<Hopefully one that features seperate intonation adjustments not the archaic
bridge
PRS switched to. A cost cutter.>>
I;m talking about TREM models. Learn to read. They all have saddles that are
completely adjustable.
<<>This pickup scheme, for me, suffers from a certain lack of girth and
>thickness
>at times.
I believe Landau and Henderson's opinions would differ.>>>
I've heard Landau live, NOT on video. Have you? His tone was often thin and
enemic. Bob Mann, using Grosh strats, sounded thin, but better than Landay.
<<<> If the Suhr frets are
>placed better--and I’m sure they are, Feiten tuning system and all--I can’t
>hear it;
That I believe.>>>>>>>>
I notice that you left out the part about the electronic tuners not registering
any difference, either. You wanna make a commentary, learn to read.
<<This review is nothing more than, "yes, it's a cool guitar, but mine are
better"!!>>
Bullshit. You need to learn to read.
this is my final response to you in this thread, Carlmoron. You response was
as predictable as it was weak.
Steve
===================
Carlginger
>From: sefs...@aol.comnospam (SEFSTRAT)
>Date: Sun, Nov 1, 1998 13:21 EST
>Message-id: <19981101132125...@ng22.aol.com>
>
><<It doesn't effct how GP and other publications review gear.
>The review what they are given, not what
>they WANT to review.>>
>
>Interesting how you cut-and-pasted. Here is the entire quote:
>
><<<This was a difficult review to write. This is an instrument
>custom-ordered
>by someone else, to their preferences. In playing it and in forming my
>impressions, I have tried to separate my personal preferences from my
>impressions of the guitar’s quality, because in some respects, the guitar has
>wonderfully executed features that are simply things I personally wouldn’t
>choose. Being critical of certain design choices in a mass production guitar
>is fair game, but it’s a little different where a custom order is
>concerned.>>>>>>
You think GP or any other review mag gives a shit if the guitar they're
reviewing was a custom order or not?
>
>Carlll the dishonest. How surprising.
>
>Carl, what you think of the review matters not a whit to me.
>
>Steve
Again, why mention it's a custom order? It has no bearing, NONE.
You review the guitar you are given.
It's not a shootout. You review the guitar for what it is. NOT for how it
compares to your low-level instruments.
All your reviews are nothing but long-winded excurtions.
Carl
Ericb
sefs...@aol.comnospam (SEFSTRAT) wrote:
> SUHR GUITAR REVIEW ©
> (copyright SEFSTRAT, 1998)
>
>
>
> OK, folks, flame away. :)
>
> Steve
> SEFSTRAT
> (SEFS...@AOL.com)
> ===================
~
Damn , you are one verbose son o'a bitch!!!! All I can say is you must
have wayyyy too much time on your hands to write a review like that!
Other than those flames, thanks for the review.
ERIC
Carlginger
>I see. Now you're a self proclaimed wine expert. I guess that explains a
>lot, you get liquored up before coming here to post.
>
>Rob
>
>
Sef...a cork sniffer for sure.
An ass sniffer is more like it.
Carl
SEFSTRAT
>Shoulda done your homework....
>
>Rob
There sure are, small, Med. and Large.>>
So if you didn;t get the large...you'd get "the smaller ones".
Idiot.
===================
SEFSTRAT
>"Chateau Lafite Rothschild" is generally regarded as one of the finest red
>wines on earth, in certain vintages; it's thousands of dollars a bottle.
>
I see. Now you're a self proclaimed wine expert. I guess that explains a
lot, you get liquored up before coming here to post.
Rob>>>>>
Nice try, ignorant boy. Your ignorance was publicly exposed. Takeyour pointy
little head and go sit in the corner.
Steve
===================
Carlginger
>I've heard Landau live, NOT on video. Have you? His tone was often thin and
>enemic. Bob Mann, using Grosh strats, sounded thin, but better than Landay.
>
>
Asshole. You talk out your ass.
>
>I;m talking about TREM models. Learn to read. They all have saddles that
>are
>completely adjustable.
>
>
Any tuning stability a PRS has is due to the sythetic nut. Which is prone to
wear.
>
>Then you have not tried a PRS...which is acknowledged by many to be the
>premier
>nonlocking trem on the market. Wilkinson patterned theirs after it.
>
>
I knocked many a PRS out of tune with no trouble. It's no better than anything
else, IMO.
>The Suhr scheme is more
>convenient, and ugly. I know, you can;t STAND to have any criticism of the
>guitar you own this week. Or maybe you just didn;t th
It serves a function of not having to remove the neck to do truss rod
adjustments.
Not that you have any clue on how to.
Well worth not having to remove the neck.
carl
Carlginger
>Damn , you are one verbose son o'a bitch!!!! All I can say is you must
>have wayyyy too much time on your hands to write a review like that!
>Other than those flames, thanks for the review.
>ERIC
Too bad it's mostly pompous "but my stuuff is better" type review.
This inspires me to start my review VIDEO which will show the guitars in
ACTION, in the hands of somebody who CAN PLAY.
Namely....me.
Carl
Carlginger
>There sure are, small, Med. and Large.>>
>
>So if you didn;t get the large...you'd get "the smaller ones".
>
>Idiot.
>==========
SMALL or MEDIUM asshole.
Carl
Carlginger
>>I've heard Landau live, NOT on video. Have you? His tone was often thin
>and
>>enemic. Bob Mann, using Grosh strats, sounded thin, but better than Landay.
So, in your opinion everybody who ever bought a live concert video or CD can't
hear the actual tone of the guitar unless they are sitting in the actual hall?
What a totally stupid ass remark.
When I speak of Landau's tone, I'm not talking about some one-off James Taylor
tour that you saw.
I'm talking about his solo cd and bands.
Not to mention, the live and studio material I collected.
Karizma from only last year LIVE.
Burning Water, Raging Honkies.
Stupid bitch.
Carl
Chuck Stroud
~*Freebird*~ wrote in message <71i73h$hsq$1...@newsmaster.pathcom.com>...
>
>
>>(I advised him that I preferred the Chateau Lafite-Rothschild to the ‘Bois
>de
>>Rois’.
>
>
>Rob
>
>
Good lord, even I caught that joke!
Daniel R. Haney
>
> <<<>"Bois de Rois" is a type of wood. It SOUNDS like the name of a fine wine.
Better 'splain thet wun, SEF.
"Bois de Rois" is french for "wood of kings,"
and gives no small clue about how some luthiers
feel about it.
> "Chateau Lafite Rothschild" is generally regarded as one of the finest red
> wines on earth, in certain vintages; it's thousands of dollars a bottle.
<quibble, quibble>
Personally, I'd ignore Lafites (don't fail me now) because name
recognition has driven the price to (ahem) STRATospheric levels.
For under $1000, you can still get great bottles of Chateau Petrus or
one of those 'inoffensive' reds from Domaine de la Romanee'-Conti.
Freebird cheepshotted:
>> I see. Now you're a self proclaimed wine expert. I guess that explains a
>> lot, you get liquored up before coming here to post.
>
> Nice try, ignorant boy. Your ignorance was publicly exposed. Takeyour pointy
> little head and go sit in the corner.
SEF, you'll hurt your voice if you
persist in barking back at dogs.
-drh
--
~*Freebird*~
>(copyright SEFSTRAT, 1998)
The guy copyrights his review? What the fuck?
>This was a difficult review to write.
I imagine so, considering your substantial intellectual handicap.
>This review incorporates, and in some cases, edits, my earlier initial
>impressions.
"You read it once, now read it again"
>Some have complained that my reviews are too long, or too
>detailed.
Or too stupid an misinformed.
>My take on this: if John Suhr can take the degree of time and care
>in making the instrument, and the owner is kind enough to send it to me for
>review purposes, then I owe it a thorough job.
And a hatchet job at that.
>Upon opening the box, I smiled; it looked like I’d been shipped a PRS
instead.
>SAME case! You know, the nice case with the thick handle (feels like
leather),
>thick stitching, and so on. This case has an additional feature that my
PRS
>cases do not have: extra metal “feet” on one side of the case, so that
when
>you lay the case down flat to open it, it’s on feet, rather than on the
side of
>the case directly. Nice. The inside of the case is very plush. In
addition,
>the accessories pocket in this case is twice the size of the ones in my PRS
>cases. John Suhr tells me that this case is indeed made by the same folks
who
>make the cases for PRS.
Wow, the case!! Ain't it purty?
>
>Then I took the guitar out of the case...and damn near lifted it up over my
>head! This is absolutely the lightest ‘strat’ I’ve ever touched. It’s got
to
>be half the weight of my G&L Legacy Special, and it’s even substantially
>lighter than my Yamaha Pacifica).
You're comparing a Suhr to a Yamaha Pacifica? What kind of crack are
you on, anyways?
>Mr. Suhr has to be
>the most anal person on earth to produce this. I now feel certain that if
you
>squeezed his toothpaste tube in the middle, he would have to be
>institutionalized for a time.
>
Much like you if you don't get the last word on RMMG.
>This one’s on a par
>with the fingerboard on my PRS CE22
On par? With your bottom of the line PRS? It's pathetic to see you
trying to glorify your hack gear.
>
>The truss rod adjustment is, a little surprisingly (Suhr-prisingly?), not
at
>the headstock end of the neck, but instead, is at the point where the
guitar
>neck meets the body. There’s a little U-shaped piece carved out of the
>pickguard where it meets the neck, just under the end of the fingerboard,
>between the neck pickup and the end of the neck itself. It’s set so that
you
>can fit a little specialized wrench in there (supplied) without removing
the
>strings or the pickguard. It looks quite functional (I did not tweak the
rod).
> It also looks, in my opinion, rather unattractive
Well Steve, we can count on you to review an instrument primarily
based on how it looks. If you were a real guitarist you'd prefer the
functionality. This is one of many ingenious features of the Suhr.
>The headstock bears the Suhr logo, in gold lettering with black outline.
The
>back of the headstock is signed by John Suhr, in silver. This particular
one,
>intended for Doug, of Indoor Storm/The Music Loft, says “To Doug, love and
>kisses, John Suhr” (no, not really).
Keep your homosexual fantasies out of your reviews.
>
>HARDWARE:
>
>The guitar has BIG frets, PRS-style. I love ‘em. If you love really
>traditional-feeling strats, don't order these, get the smaller ones. These
are
>substantial.
>
A useless and unhelpful comment. You failed to specify WHICH smaller
ones.
>
>The strap buttons are oversized, similar to what PRS does on their guitars.
>Yeah! No straplocks needed, and nice and secure.
Is this a PRS review in diguise or what?
>
>While this Gotoh trem is functional, it is the one thing on the guitar that
>immediately doesn’t thrill me. I believe that a PRS trem is noticeably
>superior to this in feel and in tuning stability. Matter of fact, my G&L
>bridge feels better than this and is a lot more substantial, as well. Part
if
>this is the very loose feel, which is a personal subjective issue, but part
of
>it is the function, which really isn’t. Both my G&L and my PRS trems
return to
>tune better than this Gotoh bridge does. In addition, because this trem’s
>tension is so loose, it’s particularly prone to the detuning that occurs
when
>you bend one string and fret another unbent string, double-stop style.
Suhr guitars are available with a wide range of different bridges.
You have failed to live up to your ideal of not personally judging
customizeable features.
>>
>PLAYING IMPRESSIONS:
>
>This neck shape and size is a ‘standard’ kind of size, and I think most
folks
>will like it a lot. It’s narrower than, say, a PRS wide, but wider than,
say,
>a G&L Legacy Special fingerboard.
Do you have, in your vocabulary, any way of describing this guitar
on its own merits? I don't give a rat's ass how is compares to your poor
man's PRS.
>(Note: Les Pauls often sound weak to me acoustically and sometimes sound
great >plugged in anyway
Singing a different song now, eh? You go from saying you HATE Gibson
tone to saying that Les Pauls often sound GREAT plugged in. Your opinion is
so inconsistent that no one can take a review by you seriously.
>The blend control does produce some interesting timbres, but I don't think
I’d
>use it much.
Why, too hard to dial in your signature flat cardboard tone?
>
>The guitar was played through the following:
>
>--Matchless SC30, with and without a Fulltone Fulldrive2 and/or TC
Electronics
>chorus pedal
> and/or Boss CS-3 compressor pedal
You're trying to evaluate a guitar's tone and you run it through a
compressor pedal?
>
>This pickup scheme, for me, suffers from a certain lack of girth and
thickness
>at times.
You're saying this after commenting that the sound is fatter and
hotter than stock strat pickups?
>This is not necessarily a comment on these particular pickups; most
>strat-type single coil equipped guitars share this.
More self contradiction.
>The neck pickup position on this guitar sounds great; lower notes on the E
and
>A strings sound especially full and round compared to other single-coil
strat
>style guitars.
Make up your mind asshole!!
> You can get a great twang and snap out of this instrument.
>Yes, you also get that Claptonesque “ooo” vowel ‘yelp’ as you work your way
up
>around and above the 9th fret or so, using some overdrive.
I'd like to see you TRY to sound like Clapton. His tone is in his
hands.
>In addition, they are
>prone to the noise that is one of the hallmarks of single coil pickups.
There
>is one local stage where this guitar would be almost unplayable due to the
>surrounding neon beer signs. You’d certainly be stuck in the ‘in-between’
>pickup selector positions all night.
A result of the pickup choice. Also available are Suhr's noiseless
pickups. Again you are judging the guitar based on it's customization.
>The guitar’s intonation is excellent; I found no out-of-tune places on the
neck
>anywhere. In addition, the neck has no ‘dead’ spots; tone is even and
>consistent. The sustain is good, but not remarkable; it’s on a par with my
G&L
>Legacy Special sustain-wise, and not in the league of, say, a PRS Swamp Ash
>Special in that department.
The sustain is not remarkable?! How is is that possible given the
construction of the neck, joint, body woods, etc? If the sustain is
anything less than Godly it's because you don't know how to play.
>Two things really come to the fore when you play this guitar, and they
stick
>with you. First, it’s just amazingly light.
You said that already. Think back to the posters who commented about
your redundancy.
>
>This guitar sounds great. Tonally, however, by the time you play though an
amp
>and any effects you may use, I don't think almost any guitarist could hear
a
>quality difference between this guitar and any other decent production
strat or
>strat clone with really good single-coil pickups.
I give up. You're mentally diseased.
MY CONCLUSION
Sef's review is exactly the kind of bullshit I expected. He can't
appreciate the kind of instrument he was fortunate enough to be lent. If I
was Doug, I would bitch slap his ugly Moe head. Sef cannot review the guitar
without repeatedly referring to his own main guitars. He doesn't know enough
about gear to form an unbiased opinion. If he prefers his hack gear, all the
better. If I ever find out that another Suhr got wasted on Sef, I think I'm
going to hurl. Anyone else on this group would be more deserving and more
appreciative of a Suhr. For those of you who want an intelligent commentary
on Suhr guitars, talk to Carl. He really knows his stuff.
Rob
Chuck Stroud
>de
>>Rois’.
>
Chuck Stroud
~*Freebird*~ wrote in message <71i7b4$i72$1...@newsmaster.pathcom.com>...
>
>
>>The guitar has BIG frets, PRS-style. I love ‘em. If you love really
>>traditional-feeling strats, don't order these, get the smaller ones.
>
>Shoulda done your homework....
>
>Rob
I think it's time to get off Daddy's computer before you make more of an ass
of yourself than you already have. Don't you have school tomorrow?
Chuck Stroud
>>traditional-feeling strats, don't order these, get the smaller ones.
>
~*Freebird*~
Carlginger wrote in message <19981101134729...@ng117.aol.com>...
That's an excellent idea Carl. Seing as how not everyone is fortunate enough
to have a Suhr sent right to them on someone else's money, seeing and
hearing it on video would be the next best thing. If you do make the video,
let me know when it's done.
Rob
~*Freebird*~
ass
>of yourself than you already have. Don't you have school tomorrow?
All your posts are showing up twice and *I'm* the one using "daddy's
computer" ? At least I know how to work a fucking news reader.
Rob
~*Freebird*~
>SEF, you'll hurt your voice if you
>persist in barking back at dogs.
>
>-drh
>--
Why don't you go fuck yourself danny boy? Or better yet, go fuck Sef.
That'll keep you both outta here for a good 30 seconds.
Rob
~*Freebird*~
>Nice try, ignorant boy. Your ignorance was publicly exposed. Takeyour
pointy
>little head and go sit in the corner.
>
>===================
>
I don't give two shits if you publicly expose my ignorance of WINE in a
GUITAR group. I don't profess to know anything about wine. I don't drink and
I never will. Doesn't it bother you that this is a GUITAR forum and several
of us have exposed your ignorance of GUITAR GEAR? Go find a wine taster's
newsgroup and drink yourself to death.
Rob
pa...@iglou.com
Thanks for taking the time to post your honest opinions on this
guitar. The price is out of reality for me but I enjoy reading about
high dollar guitars. Thanks also to your ever dilgent followers for
providing follow up entertainemnt at their own expense.
On 1 Nov 1998 18:21:25 GMT, sefs...@aol.comnospam (SEFSTRAT) wrote:
><<It doesn't effct how GP and other publications review gear.
>The review what they are given, not what
>they WANT to review.>>
>
>Interesting how you cut-and-pasted. Here is the entire quote:
>
><<<This was a difficult review to write. This is an instrument custom-ordered
>by someone else, to their preferences. In playing it and in forming my
>impressions, I have tried to separate my personal preferences from my
>impressions of the guitar’s quality, because in some respects, the guitar has
>wonderfully executed features that are simply things I personally wouldn’t
>choose. Being critical of certain design choices in a mass production guitar
>is fair game, but it’s a little different where a custom order is
>concerned.>>>>>>
>
>
>Carlll the dishonest. How surprising.
>
Carlginger
> You're comparing a Suhr to a Yamaha Pacifica? What kind of crack are
>you on, anyways?
>
>
>
> On par? With your bottom of the line PRS? It's pathetic to see you
>trying to glorify your hack gear.
>
>
Low-line PRS. Not on the same planet. How many hands on your PRS Sef?
How many assemble the Suhr? Case closed. Don't compare.
>
> Well Steve, we can count on you to review an instrument primarily
>based on how it looks. If you were a real guitarist you'd prefer the
>functionality. This is one of many ingenious features of the Suhr.
>
>
A great feature. I was able to get exactly the relief I needed without removing
the neck.
A small semi-circle you don't even NOTICE!!!
Except if you're Sef or his 14 year old daughter.
I've seen guys widen and hack that area on
old Fenders just to be able to reach it without removing the neck.
>
> Suhr guitars are available with a wide range of different bridges.
>You have failed to live up to your ideal of not personally judging
>customizeable features.
>
>
The 1099 DOES NOT resemble the Wilkinsen.
It is almost exactly the same bridge that I see on Tom Andersons.
>
> Do you have, in your vocabulary, any way of describing this guitar
>on its own merits? I don't give a rat's ass how is compares to your poor
>man's PRS.
A low-level PRS at that, not one of the fine hand crafted jobs.
>
> You're trying to evaluate a guitar's tone and you run it through a
>compressor pedal?
>
>
And he tells me I rely on "toys"!!!
>
> I'd like to see you TRY to sound like Clapton. His tone is in his
>hands.
Oh, I heard it. On his Bad Love clip. I really wish it was still around.
>
> A result of the pickup choice. Also available are Suhr's noiseless
>pickups. Again you are judging the guitar based on it's customization.
>
>
What I said. Review the guitar as it is.
>
> The sustain is not remarkable?! How is is that possible given the
>construction of the neck, joint, body woods, etc? If the sustain is
>anything less than Godly it's because you don't know how to play.
>
>
Guitars ring out with sustain, no problem. I bet they owe that in part to the
1099 bridge which Sef doesn't think is as good as that UGLY as sin G7l bridge.
How can somebody who thinks a small semi-circular access area to a trussrod is
ugly,
and not that horrendous looking G7l bridge is beyond me.
>on't think almost any guitarist could hear
>a
>>quality difference between this guitar and any other decent production
>strat or
>>strat clone with really good single-coil pickups.
>
>
Absolute bullshit.
I owned more $1000 Fenders than I can count.
You're telling this group that stock Fenders with Texas Specials and American
Standard pu's are on par with the V-60's?
Total bullshit.
The fretwork and nutwork on $1000 Fenders and other brands come nowhere near
this.
>
> Sef's review is exactly the kind of bullshit I expected. He can't
>appreciate the kind of instrument he was fortunate enough to be lent. If I
>He doesn't know enough
>about gear to form an unbiased opinion. If he prefers his hack gear, all the
>better. If I ever find out that another Suhr got wasted on Sef, I think I'm
>going to hurl. Anyone else on this group would be more deserving and more
>appreciative of a Suhr. For those of you who want an intelligent commentary
>on Suhr guitars, talk to Carl. He really knows his stuff.
>
>Rob
Thanks Rob. I'm no expert but I have detailed the features to plenty of people
and some actually ordered their own.
I'm playing real high-end Strats for quite awhile now.
I know the differences between the companies, etc.
I reviewed the Suhr.
Eddie reviewed it.
GP is coming in Jan.
there is an informative Suhr review on H.C.'s Guitar Database.
Read them, do the research.
As always, e-mail me with any specific questions.
Carl
Carlginger
>to have a Suhr sent right to them on someone else's money, seeing and
>hearing it on video would be the next best thing. If you do make the video,
>let me know when it's done.
>
>Rob
It can be done pretty quickly, I just have to get somebody with patience to
shoot it.
At least you'll HEAR the clean, crunch, lead sounds, blend control, pu
combinations, etc.
rather than have an awesome ax compared to
low-line guitars.
I don't understand why the review was not an unbiased look at the guitar as is.
Instead, he just compared it to his junk.
Look, I had $300 Squires at the same time I had $1000 EC Strat.
Sure, if you use your imagination they can be thought as similer...but they're
NOT.
Carl
Carlginger
>Thanks for taking the time to post your honest opinions on this
>guitar. The price is out of reality for me but I enjoy reading about
>high dollar guitars. Thanks also to your ever dilgent followers for
>providing follow up entertainemnt at their own expense.
A less customized Suhr clocks in at less money.
Carl
Daniel R. Haney
> Haney, in a masterful display of wit and repartee', wrote:
>
>> SEF, you'll hurt your voice if you
>> persist in barking back at dogs.
>
> That'll keep you both outta here for a good 30 seconds.
Allow me to respond in kind:
WOOF! WOOF! A-ROOF!
BARK! BARK! BARK!
HO-O-O-O-OWLLLLL!
(cof...hack)
Wow, I don't know how you can keep doing that.
It really hurts my throat.
Do you practice by baying at the moon?
-drh
--
SEFSTRAT
can't
hear the actual tone of the guitar unless they are sitting in the actual
hall?>>
Not even the same mix. Damn right.
Usually videos arer remixed, if they'e commercial. If a video is deliverately
made, or a broadcast is contemplated, it's mixed separately from the house.
Watching TV, or video, youhave no clue of what it sounded like in the house.
Right.
Bottom line: I've seen Landau live, three or four times.. You haven't. Ever.
Steve
===================
SEFSTRAT
Of course you did.
Rob..."freebird"...iks a moron, like his mentor, Carll. Stupid, crude,
uncultured, and uneducated. Pointy little heads.
What's funniest is that he flamed me for it, being too stupid to realize it was
a joke. Hilarious!
Steve
===================
SEFSTRAT
Rob>>
Maybe you could use one to educate yourself, pointy-headed ignoramus.
Steve
===================
SEFSTRAT
persist in barking back at dogs.
-drh>>
You're right, I know.
Hey, I tell you what...you buy a bottle of Lafite-Rothschild......say,
1946.....and we'll drink it together. Then we'll decide if it's REALLY as good
as all that.
-)
Steve
===================
SEFSTRAT
That'll keep you both outta here for a good 30 seconds.
Rob>>>>
Notice how much he is like Carlll? When the ignorant and stupid are exposed
for what they are, this is all their pointy little heads can come up with.
Steve
===================
SEFSTRAT
GUITAR group. >>
Notwithstanding the fact that you flamed me over it, solely due to your
ignornace and lack of reading comprehension.
You're a pointy-headed mental miget. Go away, kid, ya bother the adults.
I like Dan's approach to you better...it makes as much sense as anything you
say:
BARK BARK HOWWWWWL........
Steve
===================
SEFSTRAT
===================
SEFSTRAT
WOOF WOOF HOPWWWL.......
===================
SEFSTRAT
>Thanks for taking the time to post your honest opinions on this
>guitar. The price is out of reality for me but I enjoy reading about
>high dollar guitars. Thanks also to your ever dilgent followers for
>providing follow up entertainemnt at their own expense.
Thanks.
What's funny ois that the two of them are too dumb to realize that it IS at
their expense.
One of them even called the review a "hatchet job". In actuality, it was a
very complimentary review, and ended with the conclusion that given the
availability of another trem, I might order a Suhr.
Steve
===================
Chuck Stroud
SEFSTRAT wrote in message <19981101155300...@ng136.aol.com>...
Just goes to show you that they'll sell an internet account to anyone!
Carlginger
>Notice how much he is like Carlll? When the ignorant and stupid are exposed
>for what they are, this is all their pointy little heads can come up with.
>
>Steve
>===================
I think I exposed you pretty well asshole...
You don't know youra ass from your elbow when it comes to gear.
Carl
Chuck Stroud
~*Freebird*~ wrote in message <71ic7j$rct$1...@newsmaster.pathcom.com>...
>>I think it's time to get off Daddy's computer before you make more of an
>ass
>>of yourself than you already have. Don't you have school tomorrow?
>
>
>All your posts are showing up twice
I have no control over what happens after I press the 'post' button.
and *I'm* the one using "daddy's
>computer" ?
Yes.
At least I know how to work a fucking news reader.
>
>Rob
Of course you do. Now if you'd just learn some puncuation skills and
discontinue the use of sentence fragments, we could upgrade your status from
'complete ass' to 'mere idiot'.
Carlginger
><<So, in your opinion everybody who ever bought a live concert video or CD
>can't
>hear the actual tone of the guitar unless they are sitting in the actual
>hall?>>
>
>Not even the same mix. Damn right.
>
And wrong asshole. You can get a good idea of what a guitar's ttone is on a
video or cd.
>Usually videos arer remixed, if they'e commercial. If a video is
>deliverately
>made, or a broadcast is contemplated, it's mixed separately from the house.
>
So what? that changes something?
>Watching TV, or video, youhave no clue of what it sounded like in the house.
>Right.
>
ASSHOLE. You have a clue of what it sounds like, in the house otr not.
What a stupid pathetic asshole you are.
>Bottom line: I've seen Landau live, three or four times.. You haven't.
>Ever.
>
>Steve
Like that means anything. I could have saw Landau last week with Seal!!!
You saw him with JT. Big deal.
I'm talking, once again asshole, about his solo projects.
You're like a 2 year old...I seen him 4X...you didn't.
Grow up you fucking asshole ...
or I will be forced to take the Jetzeling Machinary out of storage.
Carl
Carlginger
>Maybe you could use one to educate yourself, pointy-headed ignoramus.
>
>Steve
>===================
He's knows a hell of a lot more than you asshole.
Nice review asshole, wipe your ass with it.
Carl
Polfus
>From: "~*Freebird*~" <free...@ovation.net>
>>
>>Then I took the guitar out of the case...and damn near lifted it up over my
>>head! This is absolutely the lightest ‘strat’ I’ve ever touched. It’s got
>to be half the weight of my G&L Legacy Special, and it’s even substantially
>>lighter than my Yamaha Pacifica).
>
> You're comparing a Suhr to a Yamaha Pacifica? What kind of crack are
>you on, anyways?
Leftover codeine from his tooth dental work.
> Is this a PRS review in diguise or what?
Looks that way :(
>>(Note: Les Pauls often sound weak to me acoustically and sometimes sound
>great >plugged in anyway
>
> Singing a different song now, eh? You go from saying you HATE Gibson
tone to saying that Les Pauls often sound GREAT plugged in. Your opinion is so
inconsistent that no one can take a review by you seriously.
I agree. Plus, he states that Gibson humbuckers/Les Paul Standards are *not*
tonally versatile...stupid stit like that.
>>The blend control does produce some interesting timbres, but I don't think
>I’d use it much.
>
> Why, too hard to dial in your signature flat cardboard tone?
Bwahaaahaaa!!!!!
>>The guitar was played through the following:
>>
>>--Matchless SC30, with and without a Fulltone Fulldrive2 and/or TC
>Electronics
>>chorus pedal
>> and/or Boss CS-3 compressor pedal
>
>
> You're trying to evaluate a guitar's tone and you run it through a
>compressor pedal?
Bwaahaaahaaa!!! Seriuosly...a with an affected signal to boot (
chorus/overdrive pedal, compressor).
Hey, Sefstrat, HOWS IT SOUND WITH JUST A CABLE FROM THE GUITAR TO AMP????
>>This pickup scheme, for me, suffers from a certain lack of girth and
>thickness
>>at times.
>
> You're saying this after commenting that the sound is fatter and
>hotter than stock strat pickups?
>
>>This is not necessarily a comment on these particular pickups; most
>>strat-type single coil equipped guitars share this.
>
> More self contradiction.
>
>>The neck pickup position on this guitar sounds great; lower notes on the E
>and
>>A strings sound especially full and round compared to other single-coil
>strat
>>style guitars.
>
> Make up your mind asshole!!
Really! Which one is it? Baaa...doesn't matter.
> The sustain is not remarkable?! How is is that possible given the
>construction of the neck, joint, body woods, etc? If the sustain is
>anything less than Godly it's because you don't know how to play.
'Tis true.
To quote Mike Bloomfield; " I can hold a note so you'd think I'm using a
sustain-unit or feedback....its just absolutely equal pressure between my
hands".
>>This guitar sounds great. Tonally, however, by the time you play though an
>amp and any effects you may use, I don't think almost any guitarist could hear
>a quality difference between this guitar and any other decent production
>strat or strat clone with really good single-coil pickups.
>
> I give up. You're mentally diseased.
I know...what the hell was *that* all about?
Peace,
Polfus
Carlginger
>Notwithstanding the fact that you flamed me over it, solely due to your
>ignornace and lack of reading comprehension.
>
>
I think most folks comprehended a lousy
"my guitar is better" dogshit review you long-wided bitch.
You a real piece of work.
Bitch fag, go strum your PRS to fat yuppies.
Carl
Polfus
>From: sefs...@aol.comnospam (SEFSTRAT)
>SUHR GUITAR REVIEW ©
>(copyright SEFSTRAT, 1998)
( much snipped )
>
>THE BOTTOM LINE
>
>If you are basically going for a certain type of tone and that is your mission
in life, don't spend this kind of money on an electric solidbodied guitar.
>That isn’t what it’s about. Sure, the tone’s great, but hardly unique to this
guitar; you can likely produce that tone for half the price or less.
Well, John Suhr, don't say that I didn't tell you so.
Too bad, sir....maybe you'll learn a lesson from this little extension of your
misplaced kindness.
Pathetic, isn't it?
Peace,
Polfus
Carlginger
>What's funny ois that the two of them are too dumb to realize that it IS at
>their expense.
>
>
Not at mine dickwad.
You can bullshit others but not me.
Your review was not worth the wait, my friend.
You just compared the guitar to your personal junk.
That's not a review.
Also, the pu info is blatently off.
Henderson and Landau get some thick tone out of those V-60's.
Nothing at all wrong with the 1099 bridge.
Hey folks, the guitars satify the needs of
Scott Henderson
Reb Beach
Michael Thompson
Mike Landau
Bill Conners
Peter Frampton
Mark Knopfler
Steve Stevens
but not old "PROFESSIONAL MADONNA HACK SEF-Cock.
Carl
~*Freebird*~
>Of course you do. Now if you'd just learn some puncuation skills and
>discontinue the use of sentence fragments, we could upgrade your status
from
>'complete ass' to 'mere idiot'.
>
You'd need three promotions just to earn the title "cocksucker."
Rob
Daniel R. Haney
> Hey, I tell you what...you buy a bottle of Lafite-Rothschild......say,
> 1946.....and we'll drink it together. Then we'll decide if it's REALLY as good
> as all that.
Hey! Good Idea!
Plan B: Snag a fancy red burgundy (late 70's/early 80's) for only a
few hundred and blow the rest on a coupla Suhrs.
-drh
--
Carlginger
>>
>>If you are basically going for a certain type of tone and that is your
>mission
>in life, don't spend this kind of money on an electric solidbodied guitar.
>>That isn’t what it’s about. Sure, the tone’s great, but hardly unique to
>this
>guitar; you can likely produce that tone for half the price or less.
>
>
What other guitar has the Suhr's tone?
Which guitar Sef?
I has Tyler, TA, CS Fender. You tell everybody...what guitar cops the Suhr's
vibe?
>Well, John Suhr, don't say that I didn't tell you so.
>
>Too bad, sir....maybe you'll learn a lesson from this little extension of
>your
>misplaced kindness.
>
>Pathetic, isn't it?
>
>Peace,
>Polfus
Sef got the guitar courtasy of Doug
from Indoor Storm who was kind enough to
wait until Sef played with it before taking delivery of the guitar for himself.
I doubt Suhr would send his guitars out to
numb-nuts like Sef when he has professional clients as well as guitar lovers
who know the real deal.
Carlginger
>>Watching TV, or video, youhave no clue of what it sounded like in the house.
>
>>Right.
How about out of a $1000 S-VHS machine thru a awesome stereo?
You think I can't hear a guitar's tone?
YOU can't hear. Listen to you Hootie and Bad Love clips for a total study on
horrid tone.
You dialed that in?
That sounds good to you?
That tone is one of the alltime worst I ever heard.
Carl
Polfus
>From: carlg...@aol.com (Carlginger)
>Date: Sun, Nov 1, 1998 16:45 EST
>Message-id: <19981101164553...@ng-fd2.aol.com>
That would make more sense.
Peace,
Polfus
Polfus
>From: sefs...@aol.comnospam (SEFSTRAT)
>Date: Sun, Nov 1, 1998 15:59 EST
>Message-id: <19981101155941...@ng136.aol.com>
>
>Rob the pointy head said:
>
>WOOF WOOF HOPWWWL.......
Grow up... not out, Steve.
Polfus
Carlginger
>>>This pickup scheme, for me, suffers from a certain lack of girth and
>>thickness
>>>at times.
Same like your dick.
Those V-60's rock. Listen to Henderson
and they're Landau's favorites.
>Tonally, however, by the time you play though an
>>amp and any effects you may use, I don't think almost any guitarist could
>hear
>>a quality difference between this guitar and any other decent production
>>strat or strat clone with really good single-coil pickups.
I bet I couldn't hear a diff. between his PRS and an Epiphone!!!
This comment shows Sef to not know shit about tone.
Again, the guitars are for folks who really appriciate a great guitar, not some
asswipe lawyer pompous hack who has to compare it with his G&L
Carl
Polfus
>From: "Chuck Stroud"
>Of course you do. Now if you'd just learn some puncuation skills and
>discontinue the use of sentence fragments, we could upgrade your status from
'complete ass' to 'mere idiot'.
You are not speaking for the collective of this newsgroup, Chuck...no offense.
Peace,
Polfus
Carlginger
>You'd need three promotions just to earn the title "cocksucker."
>
>Rob
>
>
Beta Tester!!! hahahaha
See if the shit stains come outta your drawers Sef.
Beta-Test that.
Carl
Polfus
>From: carlg...@aol.com (Carlginger)
>Date: Sun, Nov 1, 1998 16:49 EST
>Message-id: <19981101164944...@ng-fd2.aol.com>
'Tis true.
Peace,
Polfus
Carlginger
>>>>Watching TV, or video, youhave no clue of what it sounded like in the
>>house.
And I guess with cds we have no idea how it sounded in the studio, huh Sef?
Gee, your ears are so refined.
You have to hear music "in the house" to hear all it's subtle nuances.......yet
your personal tone reaks like a pile of week old dogshit
Carl
Dan Stanley
~*Freebird*~ wrote in message <71ibmr$qaf$1...@newsmaster.pathcom.com>...
>
>>Nice try, ignorant boy. Your ignorance was publicly exposed. Takeyour
>pointy
>>little head and go sit in the corner.
>>
>>Steve
>>===================
>>
>
>I don't give two shits if you publicly expose my ignorance of WINE in a
and
>I never will. Doesn't it bother you that this is a GUITAR forum and several
>of us have exposed your ignorance of GUITAR GEAR? Go find a wine taster's
>newsgroup and drink yourself to death.
>
>Rob
Let's see...a little JOKE about wine, in a long and detailed (and positive)
review gets this kind of response? Ease up a bit, there, birdman!
'sides, SEF didn't publicly expose your ignorance.
SDan
Dan Stanley
Carlginger wrote in message <19981101132125...@ng117.aol.com>...
>>>The guitar has BIG frets, PRS-style. I love ‘em. If you love really
>>>traditional-feeling strats, don't order these, get the smaller ones.
>>
>>WHAT smaller ones? There are more than two available fret sizes, SefDick.
>>Shoulda done your homework....
>>
>>Rob
>
>There sure are, small, Med. and Large.
>
>
>Carl
So, Small and Medium would be the smaller ones, right? Geez.
I mean, I'm not the sharpest quill on the porcupine, but THIS level of
carping is ridiculous.
Do you guys have a...personal problem with SEF or something?
Let it go! He wrote a review, a POSITIVE review, of a guitar made by a
guitar maker who is (and I hope will continue to be) a regular contributor
to our little compost pile, a maker who Carl Fiadino thinks makes the best
solid bodies in the history of mankind, and you are going to drag it into
the mud?
Go argue about something that deserves an arguin'!
Dan
Dan Stanley
Carlginger wrote in message <19981101134729...@ng117.aol.com>...
>>~
>>Damn , you are one verbose son o'a bitch!!!! All I can say is you must
>>have wayyyy too much time on your hands to write a review like that!
>>Other than those flames, thanks for the review.
>>ERIC
>
>Too bad it's mostly pompous "but my stuuff is better" type review.
>This inspires me to start my review VIDEO which will show the guitars in
>ACTION, in the hands of somebody who CAN PLAY.
>Namely....me.
I didn't see any "my stuff is better" things in it, other than comments
about the trem. He certainly painted a good picture of the guitar, a picture
that would make a person think that a Suhr is worth having.
Let it be, Carl! I respect YOUR opinion of John's work (no matter how few
words you use), just as I respect SEF's (no matter how many words he uses).
Go fight about something else, and keep Suhr from getting soiled by
association.
Dan
Dan Stanley
Carlginger wrote in message <19981101134812...@ng117.aol.com>...
>>
>>There sure are, small, Med. and Large.>>
>>
>>
>>Idiot.
>>==========
>
>SMALL or MEDIUM asshole.
Both of which are smaller than large; hence the confusing term, "smaller
ones".
C'mon, Carl, you are above arguing petty points like that. You can find
better things to fight with SEF about.
Do it for Suhr, for me, for the groop as a whole. Was there any SUBSTANTIAL
point in SEF's review you felt was wrong?
Dan
STRATQUEEN
<<Good lord, even I caught that joke! >>
When SEF read me the final draft Friday morning and told the joke, I cracked
up. He said John Suhr got a kick out of it, too.
--Sharon
Slide on........
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/STRATQUEEN/index.html">Stratqueen's Page</A>
***************************************************
Please reply to: STRAT...@aol.com
Carl Christensen
>you’d usually expect. Contrast this with today’s list price of $2,700.00 for a
>Martin HD-28. Hmmm. Although this is made to a remarkable level of
>craftsmanship, there is a significant difference in the materials and labor
>involved in making that Martin as opposed to an electric solidbody.
Now where have I heard that before? This is like deja-vu. You didn't
come into this review with any preconceived notions did you? ;-)
--
Carl Christensen
Philadelphia, PA USA
E-mail: ca...@navpoint.com Web: http://www.navpoint.com/~carl
~*Freebird*~
Carlginger wrote in message
<19981101165542...@ng-fd2.aol.com>...
>>
>>>>This pickup scheme, for me, suffers from a certain lack of girth and
>>>thickness
>>>>at times.
>
>Same like your dick.
HAHAHAHA!!! Ok now I really AM barking!! This one really brightened my day,
thanks Carl!
Rob
~*Freebird*~
>Do it for Suhr, for me, for the groop as a whole. Was there any SUBSTANTIAL
>point in SEF's review you felt was wrong?
>
>Dan
>
There were several. He claimed that the bridge was not on par with a bottom
of the line PRS. He contradicted himself completely regarding the pickups,
unsure of whether he loved or hated them. In the end, he stated that he
would consider buying a Suhr only if a newer model implemented a PRS
tailpiece. That shows a bull-headed loyalty to his own equipment, and proves
him unworthy and unnapreciative of the many finer features the Suhr has to
offer. I could go on, but if you want to know more about Sef's mistakes read
my dissection of his review.
Rob
~*Freebird*~
Carlginger wrote in message
<19981101163936...@ng-fd2.aol.com>...
I suspect that Sef KNOWS the guitar is 10 times better than how he reviewed
it, but he's too much of an ego driven baby to admit that he was wrong for
bashing it in the first place, without ever having played it.
Rob
~*Freebird*~
>association.
>
>Dan
>
This discussion is not an attempt to "soil by association" Suhr guitars. In
fact it is quite the opposite. Sef delivered what I see as a negative review
littered with innaccurate criticisms of the instrument. The rest of us are
trying to uncover Sef for the fraud that he is, and defend against his petty
slander.
Rob
~*Freebird*~
Dan Stanley wrote in message <71in2u$t...@news-central.tiac.net>...
>
>Carlginger wrote in message
<19981101132125...@ng117.aol.com>...
>>>>The guitar has BIG frets, PRS-style. I love ‘em. If you love really
>>>>traditional-feeling strats, don't order these, get the smaller ones.
>>>
>>>WHAT smaller ones? There are more than two available fret sizes, SefDick.
>>>Shoulda done your homework....
>>>
>>>Rob
>>
>>
>>
>
>So, Small and Medium would be the smaller ones, right?
Yes, they would be. Both of them would be. The point Carl and I are trying
to make is that Sef referred to "the smaller ones" but didn't specify
whether he meant medium or small. His entire review was consistently
unspecific, and this is just one example of how he's commenting on an
instrument without researching its components.
Rob
~*Freebird*~
>
> If Carl ever came to a sudden halt, your head would go so far
>up his ass, you could look through his nasolacrimal ducts to see where
>you're going.
>
>
>Backcrkr
>
What's really funny is that you offer that very service to 80 year old women
to make your living.
Rob
Chuck Stroud
Polfus wrote in message <19981101165816...@ng85.aol.com>...
What?? You're siding with ~*Freebird*~????
Chuck Stroud
~*Freebird*~ wrote in message <71ikb2$8oi$1...@newsmaster.pathcom.com>...
>
>
>>Of course you do. Now if you'd just learn some puncuation skills and
>>discontinue the use of sentence fragments, we could upgrade your status
>from
>>'complete ass' to 'mere idiot'.
>>
>
>
>
>Rob
There you go with those damn sentence fragments again.
Chuck Stroud
Polfus wrote in message <19981101165816...@ng85.aol.com>...
>>Subject: Re: Suhr guitar: final review
>>From: "Chuck Stroud"
>>
>>discontinue the use of sentence fragments, we could upgrade your status
from
>'complete ass' to 'mere idiot'.
>
Stratoman6
>lot, you get liquored up before coming here to post.
>
>Rob
Nope, it was a polite way of calling you *country*!
Ever seen "Deliverance"??
Regards,
Stratoman
Coming soon..... Stratoman.com and the Official Uncle Alberts websites
For pics of our baby girl Emma, go to. http://members.xoom.com/1HappyFamily
Daniel R. Haney
> His entire review was consistently
> unspecific, and this is just one example of how he's commenting on an
> instrument without researching its components.
IIRC, you earlier complained that he was too fastidious
or "anal" in your words.
Anal or unspecific: which is it?
Can't have it both ways.
-drh
--
Stratoman6
>1946.....and we'll drink it together. Then we'll decide if it's REALLY as
>good
>as all that.
>
>-)
No, no no, get a bottle of Pinot and save your dough!
Better yet, buy me all the Guiness I can drink and I won't yell at ya...
~*Freebird*~
Daniel R. Haney wrote in message <363CF3...@mindspring.com>...
Yes, it is in fact both ways. He is anal about the language he uses, but
cares little for what he's saying. I guess it's a lawyer thing.... all that
matters is if his little speech sounds good. Doesn't matter how much
bullshit he's spewing forth, in his mind it's ok so long as he uses proper
punctuation.
Rob
Dan Stanley
Polfus wrote in message <19981101163703...@ng85.aol.com>...
>>>Subject: Suhr guitar: final review
>>From: sefs...@aol.comnospam (SEFSTRAT)
>
>>SUHR GUITAR REVIEW ©
>>(copyright SEFSTRAT, 1998)
>
>( much snipped )
>>
>>THE BOTTOM LINE
>>
>>If you are basically going for a certain type of tone and that is your
mission
>in life, don't spend this kind of money on an electric solidbodied guitar.
>>That isn’t what it’s about. Sure, the tone’s great, but hardly unique to
this
>guitar; you can likely produce that tone for half the price or less.
>
>Well, John Suhr, don't say that I didn't tell you so.
>Too bad, sir....maybe you'll learn a lesson from this little extension of
your
>misplaced kindness.
>Pathetic, isn't it?
>Peace,
>Polfus
C'mon. SEF's next paragraph said that the guitar was ABSOLUTELY worth the
money because of its FEEL! You know, Polfus, SEF writing THAT will help John
SELL a couple guitars he might otherwise not have sold. Your intentional
omission makes you look stupider than you are, and hurts SUHR if someone
only reads the excerpt you chose to quote.
Didn't SEF go on to say he'd BUY one in the end? He did, right? Go read that
part. Quote it in your apology to Suhr.
We are used to such callous misrepresentation in TV political ads; please
don't do it here.
Dan
~*Freebird*~
>Fuck the house mix you stupid fucking asshole.
>Scumbag, ever listen to a CD? SCUMBAG?
I don't think that clumsy fuck could find the play button on a discman if
his life depended on it. I'm willing to bet someone fucked with his tone
controls 5 years ago as a joke and he hasn't figured out how to put it back
to normal. No one could get cardboard tone out of the kind of gear he has
unless it was intentional. Sure, it's an entry level PRS, the BOTTOM OF THE
LINE, but even a $200 Squire can sound good in the hands of someone who can
play.
Rob
~*Freebird*~
>The review stands as is. If THOSE
>three don't like it, I gotta be doing something right.
>
That depends. Do you consider bashing the most meticulously crafted guitar
available RIGHT? Do you think it is fair to compare it to you PEICE OF SHIT
PRS and your FIREWOOD G&L? And then to say you like what you have BETTER?
I'll stick to my guns saying you are tone deaf and stupid.
Rob
MikeFitzgerald
line, electric, it's going to be a Suhr." I've owned great acoustic
guitars and I know there's a difference between a 'great' guitar and a
'usable' one. Right now I've got a usable tele, but if I EVER decide I'm
going to get that tele with the resonant body, the beefy one-piece maple
neck, and the small frets, it's probably going to be a Suhr.
That review sounded to me like a Suhr would be money well spent.
(Even if it wasn't the guitar for Sefstrat)
~*Freebird*~ wrote in message <71ipq7$dp8$1...@newsmaster.pathcom.com>...
~*Freebird*~
>My clips were recorded with Squires in '86
That was a SQUIER?! No shit?! I found your tone on those clips to be quite
impressive. As they say, it's all in the hands of the player.
Rob
~*Freebird*~
MikeFitzgerald wrote in message ...
>Wow, I read that review and thought "If I ever decide to get a good, top
>line, electric, it's going to be a Suhr."
Well if Sef's review made you interested in the guitar, just wait 'till you
hear the truth....
I suggest you read Carl's.
Rob
~*Freebird*~
>Would it be better to compare it to guitars he _doesn't_ own, or _hadn't_
>played? I don't get it.
No, it would be better if he judged the guitar based on it's own merits.
Hearing how a $2000 Suhr compares to a Yamaha Pacifica is useless.
Rob
~*Freebird*~
>Most people have hefted a Yamaha Pacifica or an alder strat at one time or
>another. Damned few have hefted a Suhr. So the weight comparison IS
>appropriate.
Heres an idea: WEIGH THE GUITAR, POST THE FACTS
>It's about points of reference. To me, saying "this is great" or "this
sucks"
>is useless unless it can be compared to something else common to the
experience
>of the readership.
Not everyone in the group owns a wannabe PRS.
Rob
~*Freebird*~
> Oh, I see. So what you're saying is that a Paul Reed Smith
>guitar is a piece of shit?
Not all PRS guitars. Sef's is a bottom of the line model. A bolt-neck dog
turd. I don't even know why they call it a PRS, it's like calling a Squire a
Stratocaster.
>And you consider a G&L guitar to be
>equivalent to "firewood"?
Compared to a Suhr, yes. And personally I think ANYTHING Sef has touched
should be burned.
Rob
Dan Stanley
~*Freebird*~ wrote in message <71iqaa$e03$1...@newsmaster.pathcom.com>...
>
>Carlginger wrote in message
><19981101163936...@ng-fd2.aol.com>...
>>>
>>>What's funny ois that the two of them are too dumb to realize that it IS
>at
>>>their expense.
>
>I suspect that Sef KNOWS the guitar is 10 times better than how he reviewed
>it, but he's too much of an ego driven baby to admit that he was wrong for
>bashing it in the first place, without ever having played it.
Didn't he say in the review that the guitar was worth the bux for FEEL
alone, after he raved about fit and finish and other details? Did I read a
COMPLETELY different review than you, or do you just want to bash SEF for
EVERYTHING he utters?
HE GAVE THE GUITAR A POSITIVE REVIEW, PINHEAD! WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?
From now on, leave the SEF bashing to Carllll. Please.
Dan
Dan Stanley
Carlginger wrote in message <19981101193925...@ng75.aol.com>...
>>
>>I suspect that Sef KNOWS the guitar is 10 times better than how he
reviewed
>>it, but he's too much of an ego driven baby to admit that he was wrong for
>>bashing it in the first place, without ever having played it.
>>
>
>This statement, my friend NAILS IT.
>Doug sends this guy a beatiful ax to review hoping maybe for something
positive
>to post in Indoor Storm's guitar review section.
>So what does Sef say, basically that a $600 G&L has better features then a
>Suhr.
>Absolute crap.
>He justified his PRS thru-out the entire review as well. That's not a
review.
C'mon, Carl, that is not fair. You want to bitch and moan back and forth
with SEF about whether or not the sun rises in the morning, go ahead.
But he gave the guitar a positive review. Raved about the finish. Drooled
over the fit. Said it was worth the price for feel alone. Looks like he
LIKED the guitar, huh?
I wish you had slammed him for being a "disbeliever" in the first place,
rather than slamming him for fictional a/o petty points. That would make
sense, feud-wise. But this crap makes you seem as dumb as Freebird and
Polfus...not company you want to be associated with.
Dan
Dan Stanley
~*Freebird*~ wrote in message <71ipq7$dp8$1...@newsmaster.pathcom.com>...
>
>
>>Do it for Suhr, for me, for the groop as a whole. Was there any
SUBSTANTIAL
>>point in SEF's review you felt was wrong?
>>
>>Dan
>>
>
>
>of the line PRS.
Yep. He believes that the trem bridge PRS uses is better than the trem
bridge Suhr installed on this guitar. So? That's what a review is all about.
I don't think PRS has a "bottom of the line" trem, BTW.
>He contradicted himself completely regarding the pickups,
>unsure of whether he loved or hated them.
C'mon. You can do better than that. Give a quote or two to back that up. If
you make the effort, I'll print myself out a copy of the review and we can
go over it together with a flea comb.
> In the end, he stated that he
>would consider buying a Suhr only if a newer model implemented a PRS
>tailpiece.
Your reading comprehension is, if at all, only marginally better than
Polfus'. He said he'd consider a Suhr if it had a better (more stable) trem
bridge. If you infered from his statement that it had to be a PRS
bridge...well, you gotta stop eating the paste before art class.
> That shows a bull-headed loyalty to his own equipment, and proves
>him unworthy and unnapreciative of the many finer features the Suhr has to
>offer. I could go on, but if you want to know more about Sef's mistakes
read
>my dissection of his review.
No, I'd rather throw myself down the stairs, I think. Please, just admit you
want to bash SEF no matter what, and we can all go to bed happy.
Dan
Dan Stanley
Carlginger wrote in message <19981101192624...@ng75.aol.com>...
>>a
>>guitar maker who is (and I hope will continue to be) a regular contributor
>>to our little compost pile, a maker who Carl Fiadino thinks makes the best
>>solid bodies in the history of mankind, and you are goi
>
>>
>>Dan
>
>When did I ever state that Dan? Sef telling you what to post?
>
>Carl
No, of course not, Carl. You never wrote the words "..best solidbodies in
the history of mankind", that was a little hyperbole on my part. IS there
someone out there making better strat types, in your opinion?
Dan
Dan Stanley
Carlginger wrote in message <19981101192301...@ng75.aol.com>...
>>>
>>>SMALL or MEDIUM asshole.
>>
>>Both of which are smaller than large; hence the confusing term, "smaller
>>ones".
>>C'mon, Carl, you are above arguing petty points like that. You can find
>>better things to fight with SEF about.
>>
>>Do it for Suhr, for me, for the groop as a whole. Was there any
SUBSTANTIAL
>>point in SEF's review you felt was wrong?
>>
>>Dan
>
Cut it out. You know better.
>Man knows nothing about guitars and isn't qualified to review them.
But he did anyway. Wrote a nice one, too, lauding it.
What's the problem, other than you (and a pair of morons) want to bash SEF
over every letter he types?
Give him the ol', " I told you so" or something, but don't complain about
him mentioning that someone might prefer smaller frets. Talk about acting
like a lawyer.
>What was wrong? You don't right a War and Peace sized review comparing a
guitar
>to your personal guitars.
Maybe not for GP, or any other guitar publication. BUT THIS IS A FUCKING
NEWSGROOP! Get a grip. You've compared your Suhr's to guitars you have owned
in your quest to find the guitar that is right for you, haven't you?
>It's not done anywhere. It makes for a poor bogus review.
So this positive review of a guitar made by a guy whose guitars you love
somehow is a bad thing?
Argue with SEF over whether things fall when dropped. Important stuff. Let
this ride.
Dan
Dan Stanley
MWS2468 wrote in message <19981101193704...@ng136.aol.com>...
>>... a bull-headed loyalty to his own equipment...
>
>Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
Is that the Polfus bell?
I think it's funny that Polfus is suggesting the SEF can't objectively
review another guitar.
"Ha!" I say, "Ha! Ha!".
Hey, did I ever tell you about my search for a Gibson Les Paul Standard?
Dan
Dan Stanley
Dan Stanley
~*Freebird*~ wrote in message <71iq2q$dph$1...@newsmaster.pathcom.com>...
>>Go fight about something else, and keep Suhr from getting soiled by
>>association.
>>
>>Dan
>>
>
>This discussion is not an attempt to "soil by association" Suhr guitars. In
>fact it is quite the opposite. Sef delivered what I see as a negative
review
>littered with innaccurate criticisms of the instrument.
OK. I'm going to get myself a hard copy of the review. You do the same. Show
me the innacurate criticisms. But if you waste my time, I'll hunt you down
and force you to go to every Time Bandits gig between Thanksgiving and New
Years.
>The rest of us are
>trying to uncover Sef for the fraud that he is, and defend against his
petty
>slander.
PETTY SLANDER? Against who? John Suhr? After praising the guy's attention to
detail?
When did I fall into this universe? Nothing makes sense here, not like in
the universe I come from...Hold on, I have to go get my ruby slippers...
Seriously, though, I will get me a hard copy of the Suhr review, and if you
can REALLY point out unfairly negative or unfounded criticisms, I'll be
happy to agree. But if you can't come up with anything better than the
"smaller frets" thing, you should probably apologize to SEF. Fair enough?
Dan
Dan Stanley
Backcrkr wrote in message
<164D817559311B71.82A605EC...@library-proxy.airnews.ne
t>...
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>"~*Freechicken*~" <freec...@ovation.net> did spew forth the
>following:
>
>>That's an excellent idea Carl. Seing as how not everyone is fortunate
enough
>>to have a Suhr sent right to them on someone else's money, seeing and
>>hearing it on video would be the next best thing. If you do make the
video,
>>let me know when it's done.
>
> If Carl ever came to a sudden halt, your head would go so far
>up his ass, you could look through his nasolacrimal ducts to see where
>you're going.
>
>
>Backcrkr
Carlll has better sense than to let that happen. He'll lose this particular
"tail" at the soonest opportunity.
SManx
Dan Stanley
Carlginger wrote in message <19981101191724...@ng75.aol.com>...
>>
>>This discussion is not an attempt to "soil by association" Suhr guitars.
In
>>fact it is quite the opposite. Sef delivered what I see as a negative
review
>>trying to uncover Sef for the fraud that he is, and defend against his
petty
>>slander.
>>
>
>Very innacurate.
>Count up the G&L and PRS comparisons Dan.
>That's a review?
What would you have him compare it to? A Squier strat? Samick? Martin
acoustic?
Be real. Tell SEF "I told you so. I told you Suhr's guitars are worth every
penny". If you had responded with THAT, I'd have kept out of this. Because
you would have been right.
But this carping...man, it makes you look like a class A moron ( a BAD
thing) instead of a world class asshole (which can be a good thing...after
all, Polfus called me an asshole once, during one of his civility
campaigns).
Dan