Fender Lace Sensors/pickups
Brad Albing
I think some of this has been posted before, but a search with Deja-News
doesn't show all the answers. So... What's the deal with Fender Lace
Sensors/pickups? How do they sound compared with other pickups? I
realize that's pretty general, so I'm just looking for your $0.02 worth
of comparison with whatever pickup you feel like comparing these to.
Also, can anyone give me more technical info on how they differ from
conventional bobbin-wound, permanent magnet type pickups? I'm looking
for fairly specific, technical info. -- not that I'm trying to design my
own pickups and compete with Fender, of course; that wouldn't be right.
From reading r.m.m.g. it's obvious that everyone loves Fender, loves
fender's products, and loves the prompt, courteous service they get from
Fender. Of course, if Sharon knows any patent attorneys, it'd be nice
if she gave me a couple of names.... Anyway, the more technical, the
better.
TIA.
Brad Albing, electron wrangler extraordinaire
Ron Thompson
Brad Albing wrote:
>
> I think some of this has been posted before, but a search with Deja-News
> doesn't show all the answers. So... What's the deal with Fender Lace
> Sensors/pickups? How do they sound compared with other pickups? I
> realize that's pretty general, so I'm just looking for your $0.02 worth
> of comparison with whatever pickup you feel like comparing these to.
I've used a variety of pickups for a variety of reasons. I tried two
different Laces', red and blue. To the point: I prefer the "noise"
inherrent in a single coil stock Fender junkopickup.
I guess I just like the dirt better than the almost hiss of the super quiets.
The Lace doesn't really compare to the Duncans or Difrigerazios to my
ears because of the near "sterility" of the Lace. I think you can get
some pretty neat sounds out of them, but I couldn't get busted coke
bottles in the front. The back was considerably thicker than a stock
Fender, but lacked the overabundance of dirty high that they have.
I would rather struggle to control that than not have it at all.
>
> Also, can anyone give me more technical info on how they differ from
> conventional bobbin-wound, permanent magnet type pickups? I'm looking
> for fairly specific, technical info. -- not that I'm trying to design my
> own pickups and compete with Fender, of course; that wouldn't be right.
> From reading r.m.m.g. it's obvious that everyone loves Fender, loves
> fender's products, and loves the prompt, courteous service they get from
> Fender. Of course, if Sharon knows any patent attorneys, it'd be nice
> if she gave me a couple of names.... Anyway, the more technical, the
> better.
>
Technical info follows:
They don't sound the same.
Sorry. There are far too many experts in the fine skill/art of making
pickups, I will very much defer to them.
Good luck with it.
--
rct
The opinions above are mine and mine alone.
STRATQUEEN
Brad Albing wrote:
<Of course, if Sharon knows any patent attorneys, it'd be nice
if she gave me a couple of names....>>
Brad, my law school is ranked #1 in the U.S. for its Intellectual Property
program. We also have an "Inventor's Assistance Program", and another program
to help the average Joe get his invention patented. Because most IP lawyers
and IP law students have a background in engineering, they LIVE to help people
like you. If you want more info, e-mail me privately. I am good friends with
the Director of the program.
Slide on........
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Mark Heustis
>Also, can anyone give me more technical info on how they differ from
>conventional bobbin-wound, permanent magnet type pickups?
Look up Don Lace's site (Can't remember the company name). He designed the lace
sensors and makes and sells them outside Fender as well. The web sit e has a
description of how they work. They also have something related but different
called a trans sensor.
Mark
Asad Aboobaker
mheu...@earthlink.net (Mark Heustis) wrote:
>Look up Don Lace's site (Can't remember the company name). He designed the lace
>sensors and makes and sells them outside Fender as well. The web sit e has a
>description of how they work. They also have something related but different
>called a trans sensor.
I think the company is called AGI or something like that...
Asad
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Mick Patterson
In article <35001F...@admin.tc.faa.gov>, Ron Thompson
<thom...@admin.tc.faa.gov> wrote:
+Brad Albing wrote:
+>
+> I think some of this has been posted before, but a search with Deja-News
+> doesn't show all the answers. So... What's the deal with Fender Lace
+> Sensors/pickups? How do they sound compared with other pickups? I
+> realize that's pretty general, so I'm just looking for your $0.02 worth
+> of comparison with whatever pickup you feel like comparing these to.
+
+I've used a variety of pickups for a variety of reasons. I tried two
+different Laces', red and blue. To the point: I prefer the "noise"
+inherrent in a single coil stock Fender junkopickup.
+I guess I just like the dirt better than the almost hiss of the super quiets.
+The Lace doesn't really compare to the Duncans or Difrigerazios to my
+ears because of the near "sterility" of the Lace. I think you can get
+some pretty neat sounds out of them, but I couldn't get busted coke
+bottles in the front. The back was considerably thicker than a stock
+Fender, but lacked the overabundance of dirty high that they have.
+I would rather struggle to control that than not have it at all.
The Red is their high-gain overwound pickup, and
the Blue is supposed to sound somewhat like a
PAF humbucker. The Gold is their "vintage 50's
single-coil" sound, and the Silver is slightly
hotter than the Gold. So, you didn't try the
right ones...8^)
---Mick...
___________________________________________________________
My opinions do not reflect those of anyone else... yet.
Ramon L. Fernandez
Well Brad I bought myself A Blue and Red LAce Sensor PIckups and they work
great for me. They have low noise but they also have alot more output then
my single coils... I put my volume at Ten switch to the blue/neck pickups
hit the low E string and slide it up to the 12 fret and my close back amp
begins to rattle REALLY LOUDLY! It may be it is just a 15 watt amp but I
think it is just a really hot BASS heavy pickup the blue. The Red is really
good for distortion and it has a nice sound when you distort it... In my
opinion they are really good pickups if you use alot of effects processors
and such and if you don't they still sound better then my stock pickups.
(btw ... my axe is a squire strat and everytihng on it has been upgraded...
Tuners nut and pickups..)
Now for technical specs.. They differ because they are not really
Pickups... they are Acoustic Emission Sensors... or AES for short... They
use specific type of magnets and weird amalgamated mixtures of metals for
them... They have low noise but high output... They also don't have pole
pieces so bending and losing volume is definately not a problem... They
also use a weird type of windin pattern called Honeycomb something... I
will have to find it for ya and look at it... But for now this is all I
have to say about the Lace Sensors..
Brad Albing <alb...@ct1.ct.picker.com> wrote in article
<350016...@ct1.ct.picker.com>...
> I think some of this has been posted before, but a search with Deja-News
> doesn't show all the answers. So... What's the deal with Fender Lace
> Sensors/pickups? How do they sound compared with other pickups? I
> realize that's pretty general, so I'm just looking for your $0.02 worth
> of comparison with whatever pickup you feel like comparing these to.
>
> Also, can anyone give me more technical info on how they differ from
> conventional bobbin-wound, permanent magnet type pickups? I'm looking
> for fairly specific, technical info. -- not that I'm trying to design my
> own pickups and compete with Fender, of course; that wouldn't be right.
> From reading r.m.m.g. it's obvious that everyone loves Fender, loves
> fender's products, and loves the prompt, courteous service they get from
> Fender. Of course, if Sharon knows any patent attorneys, it'd be nice
> if she gave me a couple of names.... Anyway, the more technical, the
> better.
>
Steve
If you wanna hear some great tone and playing by a Lace Sensor user check
out Willie Oteri. He has two CD's out. IMO he is the best in the Jimi
school without any cheap shots like Jimi covers. Writes and performs all
his own stuff and really does have his own style. I think his web site is
www.california.com/~wilicry but I'm not positive on that one.
Steve
In article <01bd4aaa$fd9d92a0$12bd...@poseidon.webpc.com>, "Ramon L.
Andrew P. Mullhaupt
Steve wrote in message ...
>If you wanna hear some great tone and playing by a Lace Sensor user check
>out Willie Oteri
There's always Lace users Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton.
Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
Brad Albing
Steve wrote:
>
> If you wanna hear some great tone and playing by a Lace Sensor user check
> school without any cheap shots like Jimi covers. Writes and performs all
> his own stuff and really does have his own style. I think his web site is
> www.california.com/~wilicry but I'm not positive on that one.
>
> Steve
>
Thanks one and all for the good info and leads on where to get more
technical details.
--
Brad Albing
electron wrangler extraordinaire
Vic Dyer
Don Lace and John McIntyre share a website. Do a web search for either
of the later, perhaps you will find more details.
Also, see Guitar Player, Oct 90, page 16.
Vic
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evil twin®
On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:45:49 -0800, Vic Dyer <vrd...@cyberramp.net>
wrote:
>Don Lace and John McIntyre share a website.
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In article <350016...@ct1.ct.picker.com>,
alb...@ct1.ct.picker.com wrote:
I have a '91 Strat Plus with what I believe is the best combination of Lace
Sensors: Gold in the neck and middle positions, and Silver in the bridge. It
has great tone, and the Lace sensors are very responsive. The are a
compromise between passive and active single coils, but I think the tone is
very good. The Silver bridge pick-up outplays the bridge Texas Special in my
Roadhouse Strat.
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Try a blue in the neck.
Steve
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Mike Dusseault
In article <19980311144...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
Yeah, pretty warm and "fuzzy" tone. The only reason mine is in the
middle is the gold sensor sounds so amazing in the neck position that
I can't seem to make myself move it over. But it's still excellent
in the middle. Used to be in the bridge, but it really sucked there.
It's obviously very base heavy and the tone at the bridge was very
thin.
Now I've got a gold in the neck and the bridge, and a blue in the
middle. Great tone! No matter what people say about these pickups
being "cold and sterile", nobody has ever told me I have "cold and
sterile" tone. Rather the opposite actually. (I suppose I should don
that flame retardant overcoat about now... <g>)
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