Layla technique
Mike
Since there are some experienced players here I thought I would ask
about what technique you use to play the 7 note intro to Layla?
I get the notes okay but seem to have a problem getting that certain
smoothness that's required.
Starting from the first note, I'm doing.......
.......pick,hammer,pick,hammer,pull,pick,pick....
I get a little closer if I turn that third pick into a hammer on.
Just wondering if there is a preferred technique.
Thanks.
Mike
bugeye
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> This may not be the correct place to ask this but.....
>
> Since there are some experienced players here I thought I would ask
> about what technique you use to play the 7 note intro to Layla?
>
It's been a while since I've noodled with this, but I believe I once came to
the conclusion that Clapton must have been picking most or all of the notes.
I never quite got it down either.
Les Cargill
> This may not be the correct place to ask this but.....
>
> Since there are some experienced players here I thought I would ask
> about what technique you use to play the 7 note intro to Layla?
>
It's a pulloff.
> I get the notes okay but seem to have a problem getting that certain
> smoothness that's required.
>
Erm, it's not all that smooth.
> Starting from the first note, I'm doing.......
> .......pick,hammer,pick,hammer,pull,pick,pick....
>
Pretty much.
> I get a little closer if I turn that third pick into a hammer on.
>
Do it slow, until it's smooth, then speed up a little.
Repeat, lather rinse.
Welcome to the woodshed!
> Just wondering if there is a preferred technique.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mike
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Les Cargill
Mike
wrote:
>> Starting from the first note, I'm doing.......
>> .......pick,hammer,pick,hammer,pull,pick,pick....
>>
>Pretty much.
I get a lot closer at the open position but still somewhat sloppy as I
move up the neck.
>Do it slow, until it's smooth, then speed up a little.
>Repeat, lather rinse.
>Welcome to the woodshed!
Thanks, I'll keep at it!
Mike
Nil
news:s17361pvt0cd595i5...@4ax.com:
> Since there are some experienced players here I thought I would ask
> about what technique you use to play the 7 note intro to Layla?
...
> Starting from the first note, I'm doing.......
> .......pick,hammer,pick,hammer,pull,pick,pick....
I never thought about it much before, but now that I look at how I do
it, I see that I do it the way you do, except that I pick the F rather
than hammer-on.
Les Cargill
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 03:57:11 GMT, Les Cargill <lNOca...@cfl.Arr.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>Starting from the first note, I'm doing.......
>>>.......pick,hammer,pick,hammer,pull,pick,pick....
>>>
>
>
>>Pretty much.
>
>
> I get a lot closer at the open position but still somewhat sloppy as I
> move up the neck.
>
>
It sounds very open position to me, but I think
Clapton shows off up the neck sometimes. You
can't tell about that guy.
I think there's two guys on there, too. One drags
two string chords, and another guy does the
main lick.
>>Do it slow, until it's smooth, then speed up a little.
>>Repeat, lather rinse.
>>Welcome to the woodshed!
>
>
> Thanks, I'll keep at it!
>
> Mike
--
Les Cargill
Hickory
and the guy was saying there's actually 5 guitar parts tracked on that
riff ... making it sound so thick.
Mark Keith
I pick every other note ,starting with the first. The picked notes will
be evenly timed,
up/down, or side/side whichever way you want to look at it...Four notes
will be picked.
You will be fingering the notes up/down like a bobbin...
The first picked note is on the B string. All the rest on the E. Evenly
spaced.
But I can also hammer/pull some of the last notes, and fake it that way
too...:/
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http://web.wt.net/~nm5k
-=[Oz]=-
in the sheet music there are 3 guitar parts behind that opening riff and
they are playing different neck positions to get that really full, thick
sound.
-=[Oz]=-
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nm...@wt.net
but from the meager peckings I've done at it, I always
started the intro down low, and then moved up to the 10th
fret area for the 2nd "lead intro" that I described.
Then after that, it's more chords than notes...
IE: I'll repeat the 7 intro notes, but use chords for the rest
of the line.
Down low, using the open D...C-B-A-G, -----C,A,G, D...
Kinda hard to describe...Probably easier to make a demo
of how a mangle and molest it....Maybe I'll do that later...
I have or had a video of him playing that somewhere live,
but it would probably take me about 3 years to find it in
all my tapes...BTW...I'm assuming it's in standard tune??
If I fake a wanky demo later, I'll use my gibson....
MK
Mike
wrote:
>It sounds very open position to me, but I think
>Clapton shows off up the neck sometimes. You
>can't tell about that guy.
>
>
>I think there's two guys on there, too. One drags
>two string chords, and another guy does the
>main lick.
I think on the original, as someone stated here, there are 3 parts
on the intro.
On the Crossroads show there are two.
Mike
nm...@wt.net
Had a little time, and I made a quicky demo of the
way I learned it. Not saying it's totally right, but I
think is fairly close. The actual lick is fairly simple.
Every other note is picked. The first, and the last....
It's not a easy song to play at speed, despite it
sounding fairly simple...Will take some drilling to
get used to being set up for that lick, when playing
the song. I don't have it down that great myself...:/
BTW, I played that first lick at normal, then at slow
speeds, two at a time, then gradually faster, so you
can play along with it to get the notes down. I also
played the first few bars of the song, starting with the
intro thats on the low end, and then the lead intro part..
Then, after that, I played one of the other parts using
chords that is played along with the first...That part is
mainly on the low end, open D, and barring the other
chords...About 3 strings per chord worth will do...
I think maybe an open G is in there, if I remember right...
I played them at a reduced speed, so you can pick out
the chords better...
Anyway, maybe this will help a little better than words
on a puter screen...Also...Not saying is is totally right,
and my playing was kinda hacky......I'm kinda run down,
I think due to a lack of Mexican food for a few days....
I need a fix of enchliladas....Maybe three beers too....
If anyone has any corrections, feel free to jump in...
Like I said, I haven't really learned it that well myself,
and am just going from memory, from the way I remember
the song in my head...
It's at:
http://briefcase.wt.net/cgi-perl/ListContent?user=nm5k&cmd=listsub&sdir=public&id=
The name of the file is "layless.mp3"
See if that intro sounds about right to you...I'm fairly confident he
was
picking every other note...At speed, it sounds a little trickier than
it really is as far as using pulloffs, hammers, etc....You do, but not
to the point you really think of them that way...IE: trying to get a
good
"grab" etc, like say an average VH pulloff...
Anyway, thats the way I've been doing it so far, from what little I've
learned of it....Use at your own risk....:( It may all be wrong....:(
Oh yea...It's in standard tune as far as geetar...I used da gibson...
Sitting in front of this monitor BTW, with that single coil...Thats
what all the background noise is...:( Ignore...
MK
Lester Long
This thread has been on-topic way too long. I think that's against the
rules. So.....
......Peter Green is way better than Eric Clapton!!! And the damn Layla
piano solo was off key!
Lester
Greg Cisko
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> Just wondering if there is a preferred technique..............
>
> Had a little time, and I made a quicky demo of the
> way I learned it. Not saying it's totally right, but I
> think is fairly close. The actual lick is fairly simple.
Yep you can tell it is fairly close. Even the transitions to the
next key or whatever that really is. So I guess you should
post some tabs :-)
--
Ron Thompson
>> I get a lot closer at the open position but still somewhat sloppy as I
>> move up the neck.
> It sounds very open position to me,
The original recording is open.
> but I think Clapton shows off up the neck sometimes. You can't tell about
> that guy.
I have a couple of different films of him playing it in a couple of places.
Play it every night
and I guess we would be looking for other places to play it too.
> I think there's two guys on there, too. One drags
> two string chords, and another guy does the
> main lick.
I don't think so. I was taught this song in like 1974, and was taught to
drag the chords
and play the melody. It isn't easy. I don't think he does it that way
anymore, the band
carries the chords after his main line. Sometimes. I have a him and Buddy
Guy thing
where a mid-40's Eric Clapton plays that effer like he was 17 again.
--
rct
The opinions above are mine and mine alone.
Bogon Flux
> <nm...@wt.net> wrote
>>Had a little time, and I made a quicky demo of the
>>way I learned it. Not saying it's totally right, but I
>>think is fairly close. The actual lick is fairly simple.
>
>
> So I guess you should post some tabs :-)
Ah. A Fiadino moment.
"Post your tabs, looser!"
Okay, I guess we're officially off-topic.
--
Mister Duke
can't be all THAT special... I haven't been able to find one CD/album by
any guitar player named Layla.....
Sheesh!
Mr. Duke
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Mike
>See if that intro sounds about right to you...I'm fairly confident he
>was
>picking every other note...At speed, it sounds a little trickier than
>it really is as far as using pulloffs, hammers, etc....You do, but not
>to the point you really think of them that way...IE: trying to get a
>good
Thanks!
I'll keep practicing and try the picking every other note technique.
Mike O.
Mike
<Ron.Th...@faa.gov> wrote:
>> I think there's two guys on there, too. One drags
>> two string chords, and another guy does the
>> main lick.
>
>I don't think so. I was taught this song in like 1974, and was taught to
>drag the chords
>and play the melody. It isn't easy. I don't think he does it that way
>anymore, the band
I have a technique book that claims that on the original recording
there are three guitars in the opening bars.
One guitar plays the opening lick at the open position and plays the
sliding rhythm part too. The other two just play the lick. One at
the open position and one from the seventh fret D string.
By the time the extended lick comes around there are 5 guitars (2
slide) and things get pretty busy. One guitar moves up to the 10th
fret B string so now there are three guitars all playing the opening
lick from different positions.
On the Crossroads show, Eric plays the opening lick and just kinda
waits for the other guy to do all the heavy lifting.:-)
I guess he's earned it.
Mike O.
Les Cargill
> Greg Cisko wrote:
>
>> <nm...@wt.net> wrote
>
>
>>> Had a little time, and I made a quicky demo of the
>>> way I learned it. Not saying it's totally right, but I
>>> think is fairly close. The actual lick is fairly simple.
>>
>>
>>
>> So I guess you should post some tabs :-)
>
>
> Ah. A Fiadino moment.
>
> "Post your tabs, looser!"
>
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or, if you prefer....
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>
>
> Okay, I guess we're officially off-topic
>
> --
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Les Cargill
Chunk Morris- Martial Arts SPectator
"Les Cargill" <lNOca...@cfl.Arr.com> wrote in message
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> Bogon Flux wrote:
>
> > Greg Cisko wrote:
> >
> >> <nm...@wt.net> wrote
> >
> >
> >>> Had a little time, and I made a quicky demo of the
> >>> way I learned it. Not saying it's totally right, but I
> >>> think is fairly close. The actual lick is fairly simple.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So I guess you should post some tabs :-)
> >
> >
> > Ah. A Fiadino moment.
> >
> > "Post your tabs, looser!"
> >
>
> <HT><HT><HT><HT><HT><HT><HT><HT>
>
> or, if you prefer....
>
> 09 09 09 09 09 09 09 09 09 09 09 09 09 09 09 09 '................'
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nm...@wt.net
Sorry...No can do....Can't do tab for crap...
All them wiggles and squiggles....Too confusing... :/
I look at "lead" tab, and my brain fogs over...How anyone
can translate that to an accurate version of the intended
music, without also hearing the music, beats the heck
outta me....I guess many do it though..
It should be fairly easy to pick out...The intro was
down low, the "lead" intro part, mostly around the 10th-12th
fret area...The "chord" part, mainly down low, using the open
D. The first seven notes of that part, are the same as the intro.
Played the same place...But then you hop right to the open D,
then finger the C note on the A string, and then B chord ..The
B, C, A, are barred using 3 strings only. Open G.
MK
Greg Cisko
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> So I guess you should post some tabs :-) .........
>
> Sorry...No can do....Can't do tab for crap...
> All them wiggles and squiggles....Too confusing... :/
Well actually I was just joking around and giving a compliment as
I thought the recording sounded very good technically. And with
everyone talking about how difficult it was, hey. I never tried layla
before but always wanted to give it a try. I looked at some
tabs on www.olga.net to get some idears. I've been goofing around
with it an may actually get it. But I realized I don't even have it
on CD! So I will definately need to get that first.
--
Lester Long
INTRO RIFF - Chorus chords fit behind
this and the main lead line
E-||-----------------------------------||
B-||*---------------------------------*||
G-||----------------7\5-3-----5-----7--||
D-||------0h3p0---0-7\5-3-----5-----7--||
A-||*-0h3-------3---5\3-1-0---3-0---5-*||
E-||------------------------3-----3----||
MAIN LEAD GUITAR FIGURE
E|--||--------10h13p10----10-13b15r13-12-------
B|--||*-10h13----------13----------------13-15-
G|--||-----------------------------------------
D|--||-----------------------------------------
A|--||*----------------------------------------
E|--||-----------------------------------------
E---------10h13p10----10-15b17r15-12--------||-
B---10h13----------13----------------13-15-*||-
G-------------------------------------------||-
D-------------------------------------------||-
A------------------------------------------*||-
E-------------------------------------------||-
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nm...@wt.net
The only CD player I have is in this puter....
I see Lester left a tab of it....The only thing....Using my lame
tab reading skills to decypher....That intro is nothing like
the version I played. I'm trying to fiqure out where the "7"
frets come into play...I never got close to those frets on
the version I played...Even the "chord" version never goes
above the 5th fret... The other parts seem fairly close,
*I think*.....Hard to tell for sure, with my lame tab skills...
None of the notes of the "intro" are above the 3rd fret,
they way I played it. "not counting the chord version".
Even the chord version, none are above the 5th fret,
the way I played it....Where did that tab come from?
It's not a tab of my playing, thats fer sure.......MK
nm...@wt.net
B-||*---------------------------------*||
G-||----------------7\5-3-----5-----7--||
D-||------0h3p0---0-7\5-3-----5-----7--||
A-||*-0h3-------3---5\3-1-0---3-0---5-*||
E-||------------------------3-----3----||
MAIN LEAD GUITAR FIGURE
E|--||--------10h13p10----10-13b15r13-12-------
B|--||*-10h13----------13----------------13-15-
G|--||-----------------------------------------
D|--||-----------------------------------------
A|--||*----------------------------------------
E|--||-----------------------------------------
E---------10h13p10----10-15b17r15-12--------||-
B---10h13----------13----------------13-15-*||-
G-------------------------------------------||-
D-------------------------------------------||-
A------------------------------------------*||-
E-------------------------------------------||-
Yea....After carefool consideration....This is not much
like the version I played...I never went above the 15 th
fret....Ever. So he's doing the lead part different too....
But....I'm bending many of those notes....Maybe thats
the deal...He may not be bending them, but instead,
just grabbing the notes...
Dunno.....Gawd, I hate tab overall...
If I had a dime for every wrong tab I saw, I could buy
three beers a day for life...It's only as good as the
playing level of the writer....And many that write tab...
Gawd....Do they ever actually play what they write to
test it out? Many seem not to have a clue...Even many
"commercial" tab books I see are wrong half the time...
That one reason why I never used it...
Garbage in=garbage out. :(
MK
Michael Abbaticchio
fluid with your guitar unplugged you know you have it. The into part is
played on the a and d strings (open, third fret), but it can be played
anywhere on the neck after that. Lately I have been mixing the intro with
the unpluged version. Original intro riff right into the d minor. Sounds
pretty cool. Like others have pointed out, the way that song was recorded
makes it seem like a wall of sound, but the intro can be nailed with a
single guitar.
Mike Abbaticchio
"Mike" <spa...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> This may not be the correct place to ask this but.....
>
> Since there are some experienced players here I thought I would ask
> about what technique you use to play the 7 note intro to Layla?
>
> I get the notes okay but seem to have a problem getting that certain
> smoothness that's required.
>
> Starting from the first note, I'm doing.......
> .......pick,hammer,pick,hammer,pull,pick,pick....
>
> I get a little closer if I turn that third pick into a hammer on.
>
> Just wondering if there is a preferred technique.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mike
Michael Abbaticchio
"Greg Cisko" <gci...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Grant
> I thought the recording sounded very good technically. And with
> everyone talking about how difficult it was, hey. I never tried layla
I'm a little surprised by that talk. I don't consider myself a
technically advanced guitarist, but I never found that lick very
difficult to do, and I don't mean just a crude approximation.
As someone else mentioned, there's two parts to the intro: first one
built around an open D (but no 1st string) with a shift (if I remember
correctly) to an Bb5 and then a C5; after two cycles of that, the second
riff comes in on the 1st and 2nd strings, starting on the 10th and 13th
frets (or something like that). Both riffs use hammer-ons and pull-offs.
Can't be sure of the details without a guitar in my hands.
But five guitars multitracked? I never would have thought that, based
on my listening.
Didn't Duane Allman play the main lick (as well as the slide outro) on
the original version?
Hippy
> Didn't Duane Allman play the main lick (as well as the slide outro) on
> the original version?
Something about calling up the studio wanting to see EC and being invited to
sit in..
~Hippy