I fear your search is yet not complete. You should check out Fralins, Suhrs
and Tom Anderson single coils (IMHO). I'd be curious to hear more about
the Bill Lawrence blades. Did you get them directly from Bill Lawrence?
How did they compare to, say, the American Standards, or the Duncan Vintage?
BTW, I've got some Kinman AVn "vintage set" pickups. They live somewhere
between sc's and humbucking --- sc type tone, but a different "feel".
Anyway, so far, the closest to _my_ tone quest has been the Fralins, but
I've not heard the Suhrs, and I've yet to read about anyone not liking 'em,
and all the descriptions of them have sounded like what I'm looking for, but
you know how that works. Hum bothers me enough that I'm still looking for
the "real" hum canceling single coil .
Don
"The older you get, the better you realize you were."
George Carlin
tom heertjes wrote in message <39AB7937...@chello.nl>...
>OK this must be a open door question,but after a lot of experimentation
>(obvious not enough) : "whats the best pickup configuration on a
>stratocaster?"
>
>I tried :
>><snip lots of good stuff>
>><snip lots of good reviews>
>the bill lawrence is dunno
>sort of not fenderish tone ,the dimarzio is the best according to
>dimarzio who claims eric johnson s secret weapen is the hs 2 wired for
>single coil..(..)
>
>
>I heard of Kinman pickups to be great (but not single coils rather
>humbuckers)
>><snip>
>In short : THE best pickup config. for a stratocaster (any origin) is
>:...........?
>
>-Tom.
>
>
Why don't you forget the pickups for a while, and buy some other amp?
Seems to me that you have already tried every pickup that there are....
--
Jarno Nurminen
jnur...@NOSPAMnic.fi
Like you, I've tried them all but to my ears and to my hands, the best
pickups for Strat are Kinmans. I own the Traditional set 56-56-62 and I'll
buy another one, the Warm Classic 62-62-59, plus Chris Kinman is a very very
kind person (no, I'm not working for him, I'm from Paris, France) .
Hope that helps.
Khanh.
tom heertjes wrote:
> OK this must be a open door question,but after a lot of experimentation
> (obvious not enough) : "whats the best pickup configuration on a
> stratocaster?"
>
> I tried :
> - fender american standards
> - fender texas specials
> - emg's
> - fender tex mex
> - fender japan pickups
> - japanese tokai pickups
> - japanese squier pickups
> - seymour duncan single coils
> - seymour duncan jeff beck juniors
> - kent armstrong single coils
> - bill lawrence blade pickup
> - 57 reissue fender pickups
> - dimarzio hs2 pickup
> - fender lace sensors gold
>
> and some others,i find the texmex ok in a good strat,the american
> standard dont
> do it for me,the texas specials are better to the american standards
> but...,the seymour duncans are a bit low on output the jeff beck is OK
> but not a single coil.
> the emg s are quiet but a bit harsh. the japanese pickups (with glued on
> magnets) are :not good sounding (thin and shrill) ,the lace sensors are
> OK but a bit metallic sounding ,the 57 reissue s are OK but low on
> volume (not Fat).The kent armstrong was a mess (even the wires are
> messy),the bill lawrence is dunno
> sort of not fenderish tone ,the dimarzio is the best according to
> dimarzio who claims eric johnson s secret weapen is the hs 2 wired for
> single coil..(..)
>
> I heard of Kinman pickups to be great (but not single coils rather
> humbuckers)
> and some duncans should be great (antiqueties?),probably the pre CBS
> pickups
> are great also (but dream on) ,i have a 1972 set pickups with staggered
> polepieces but have to get them of that strat,so no option,besides i
> find them not spectacular good.
>
> In short : THE best pickup config. for a stratocaster (any origin) is
> :...........?
>
> -Tom.
> I heard of Kinman pickups to be great (but not single coils rather
> humbuckers)
I prefer to think of Kinman as noiseless single coils. They have a great
single coil sound. Do they have that vintage vibe? I dunno, but did I
mention that they sound really good? I do know that they do not sound like
a humbucker. I've got a set of the AVn-Blues in my '69 Strat, and am
thinking about a set of the Traditionals for a mid 80's MIJ Strat that I
just picked up.
Don
For example, most people think Lace Sensors suck; and through a lot of amps
I can see where they're coming from. But put those lace sensors through a
ToneMaster and it sounds great. Why? I don't know. But it does. It's the
combination of equipment that makes the tone.
I would go for the classic strat sound, maybe a set of Vintage strat pickups
(or whatever they put in the '62 reissue) or '69 reissues, and get the "grit
and oomph" somewhere else down the tone chain.
Can you tell us what kind of music you play? What kind of amp do you have?
What kind of strat is it?
and remember: tone is epistatic
- Nick
"tom heertjes" <to...@chello.nl> wrote in message
news:39AB7937...@chello.nl...
> OK this must be a open door question,but after a lot of experimentation
> (obvious not enough) : "whats the best pickup configuration on a
> stratocaster?"
>
> I heard of Kinman pickups to be great (but not single coils rather
> humbuckers)
The duncans are very sweet sounding, the fralin, esp with the base plate is
great rock guitar pickup.
"Odin" <REMOV...@flash.netREMOVE> wrote in message
news:rEPq5.445$YP4....@news.flash.net...
> Van Zandt or Kinman. Both are exceptional sounding pickups and are so far
> above the pickups you listed that you should hear an immediate
improvement.
>
>
Sets I've had good luck with are:
Fender NOS "Abigail Ybarra".
Duncan Antiquities.
Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
Here's a guess, the people at the store where you bought these
14 different types of pickups either love you, or hate you, but they
definitely know you.
You're spending too much time on pickups. One, if not several, should
have made a sound you liked. Is your former name Polfus?
I have some beach front property in Kansas, would you like to buy it?
In article <39AB7937...@chello.nl>,
> In short : THE best pickup config. for a stratocaster (any origin) is
> :...........?
>
> -Tom.
>
>
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Before you buy.
the Fender Discussion Page (FDP) has forums with lots of threads comparing
all these replacement pickups, Fender and non-Fender.
Look at http://www.fenderforum.com
Harmony Central has some qualified reviews anout replacement pickups:
http://www.harmony-central.com/ but I'm sure you already know HC.
Kinman and Lindy Fralin have interesting homepages with lots of information:
http://www.fralinpickups.com/
http://www.kinman.com/
My favourite strat pickups is a matched set of Lindy Fralin Vintage Hots
with the optional bassplate on the bridge pickup. Remember true vintage
pickups may vary in specs and sound, and they are not automatically good
only because they're old.
Regarding the prices, you may consider the cheaper Fender Custom Shop'54 or
Fat 50s, too. These can be tested in many available strats today. Some sets
don't have a reverse wound/reverse poled middly pickup for hum cancellation
(e.g. the CS'54).
Don't forget some pickups will match a wood type better than others. I had
Am Std pups that sounded well in an ash body and not-so-well in a poplar
body (here I recommend TX Specials, f.e.).
hope that helps,
cheers
Helge
tom heertjes <to...@chello.nl> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
39AB7937...@chello.nl...
Although, if you have tried all of these pickups and were not happy, perhaps
a Les Paul is better suited to you.
-Bucky
I have a set of Lindy Fralin Blues Specials in my Clapton Strat, and it blows
me away every time I play it. Damn nice pickups.
The Custom Shop jobs in my '56 NOS are pretty good, too...
Kate Ebneter
Collector of Noise Toys
Shut up. You think we wanna hear about the unobtainable? (read: we're
extremely envious).
Of course, they'll be microphonic any moment now, if they ain't
already...
----
re: rmmg: "I gotta read his stuff with my tin foil helmet
fully tightened, and I even have to make myself tin foil
gauntlets for when I type a reply to his stuff."
-- a certain someone
Remove X's from my email address above to reply
[These opinions are personal views only and only my personal views]
In having owned a Robin Ranger Custom, I have really been enlightened about
Rio Grande Pickups especially for the neck'buckers and tele bridge. Very
cool,very vintage, bell like and bouncy. Since the guitar is modeled after a
Tele somewhat, could I hear from
those who have used Rio's (muy Grande)in a strat?
I currently also use a Reverend Commando w/Ken armstrongs pups and find them
light and airy but lacking in definition.
For me to enjoy effects pedals(overdrives and fuzz) to the fullest, to hear
their true potential.. I must use
my strat in the neck position. ITs not that I cant enjoy other guitars w/
effects but my
ears definitely are conditioned to hear through the Strat(w/ the Suhr 60's
pickup).
I am about to build myself another strat w/ a mahogany body and pau ferro
fretboard
so I am up to experimenting with a full humbucker setup, like the B-Q
'buckers or something...
thanks in advance,
TV
"Kate Ebneter" <ebn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:39AC3065...@ix.netcom.com...
Well, the Clapton does have that pre-amp in it. It's a pretty hot guitar,
and it works well with the slightly hotter pickups. I suspect it's down
to different body woods, different tastes, yadda yadda ... :-)
> > The Custom Shop jobs in my '56 NOS are pretty good, too...
>
> Those are Abigail Ybarra's, right? Those are excellent.
Yup, that they are. That Strat is f*cking awesome, honestly.
Those pickups are fantastic as are her Custom Shop '69s.
I have those in the neck/middle with a Dimarzio VV Solo at the bridge (wired
to tone pot)
on my favorite strat.
Fender Fat 50's are also nice pickups...
Other I;d personally be interested in would be the Suhrs, Fralin Blues
Specials or Woodstocks...and Van Zants. Other than that, Fender CS stuff is
great for a 'fender' sound.
Daniel
I like the way you describe the Kinman AVN vintage pickups. You are
really right. The hum canceling single-coil designs really are a
humbucker design. I've looked at the actual pickups and how they are
made. I've also done allot of A/B testing with real single coils and
the hum canceling designs. The difference is the hum canceling designs
do cancel the hum, but they also cancel other parts of the tone that
the true single coils let through. A really good true single coil
pickup let's everything through because it is not canceling anything
and has it's own sound, you also have hum however. DiMarzio and Kinman
did an excellent job with these hum canceling designs and they do sound
like Strat pickups. Sure they are not dead exact and I can hear those
differences in the response, tone, touch sensitivity and shimmer of the
pickup. I prefer a real single-coil myself due to this and the hum has
not been a problem for me. It could be a problem in the wrong club
with bad power(what is on that circuit you plugged into, the
refrigerator in the back of the club?) and stage lighting too close
over the band. If hum is a problem then consider one of the hum
canceling Strat pickup designs.
There is not a best Strat pickup set for everyone due to everyone likes
something different. You have to find what you prefer and what really
works for your gear setup.
Mike Glazier/Owner of Main Street Music: http://www.mainmusic.com
> >OK this must be a open door question,but after a lot of
experimentation
> >(obvious not enough) : "whats the best pickup configuration on a
> >stratocaster?"
> >
> >I tried :
> >><snip lots of good stuff>
> >><snip lots of good reviews>
> >the bill lawrence is dunno
> >sort of not fenderish tone ,the dimarzio is the best according to
> >dimarzio who claims eric johnson s secret weapen is the hs 2 wired
for
> >single coil..(..)
> >
> >
> >I heard of Kinman pickups to be great (but not single coils rather
> >humbuckers)
> >><snip>
> >In short : THE best pickup config. for a stratocaster (any origin) is
> >:...........?
> >
> >-Tom.
> >
> >
>
>
I had a set of those in my Schecter Strat. They just didn't cut it. I
replaced them with the Antiquities and those are admirable.
> The Custom Shop jobs in my '56 NOS are pretty good, too...
Those are Abigail Ybarra's, right? Those are excellent.
Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
Ed
But ......
Once my stock neck-pickup on my 62 strat - really amazing axe - broke
down! I think the wiring just broke - it was a nightmare! I tried about
20 neck pickups and none of them didn´t fit to the others or the
guitar! So I decided to let it rewind! But still this pickup won´t fit
as it does before! So ... I decided to put a whole new set in the strat
and just keep the good ole stocks in spare! I tried a bunch of sets -
but as I´m a vintage guy - Lindy Fralin build me some custom pickups
for this strat! They still sound different than the stock ones, but
they complement to my axe! I´m not saying the fralins are the best
pickups, it was the only solution for my ´62 axe. If you really want a
special sound then ask Lindy or some other pickup-makers to build you a
custom one! So far we´re not sure what sound your looking for and maybe
you, too! So far I have guitars with Duncans on and the just rock - a
strat with Fat 50s and they are cool on this guitar - a Tom Anderson,
which is a great axe with great pickups - a reissue strat with those
Abigail Ybarra's-Pickups which is a very defined, nice instrument - a
nontrem strat with VanZants and so on! Every guitar I own has its
special character and referring to the musical style they fit perfect!
So get your style, get your sound, practice, get some good gear and
then let us know what you think is YOUR BEST STRAT PICKUP!
What I want to know about the Abigail Ybarra pickups is anyone doing an
apprenticeship or something on that? She's in her eighties, and Fender
supposedly got her back out of retirement for a limited quantity only.
Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
Gerry
Cheers
ER
... a nice one!
Nic Beamso.
"It´s not the gear - it´s the person!"
In article <39ACF8C3...@javanet.com>,
My fave Strat pickups are the stock ones in my white '55.
The bridge pickup has more "bite" than any other one I've heard.
As far as aftermarket, I'm surprised no none has mentioned
Joe Barden...
Claude
WTF?
Does this woman have some special mojo or what?
She should start her own business: "Abigail Ybarra Pickups" She may be
too old to enjoy it but her heirs will be rich ...
Tom
Since they are capitilizing on Mexican americans maybe they can bring my Dad
back as He worked in the finish dept. in the sixties. He'd be happy to stamp
the sunburst finishes for yah!
So are those guys who love the A.Y. strat pickups (poor woman is probably
arthritic for holdin that rubber stamp all day:) the same ones that think
that Aunt Jemaimah' ever saw 'bank on her syrup? :) *very sarcastic,wink*
nothin but love 'n racial harmony,
TV
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>
>
>
>
> tom heertjes schreef:
>
> > OK this must be a open door question,but after a lot of experimentation
> > (obvious not enough) : "whats the best pickup configuration on a
> > stratocaster?"
>
> <snip>
>
So you know first hand about the work conditions in a shop some 40-50 years
ago?
Go read a book about labor history if you want to find crappy work
conditions.
You think she still works min wage?
> Shit she was just a person turning the handle on a friggin' spindle
winder..
If it is so easy, why don't ya just wind us some pickups up and see how they
sound?
> (I have toured extensively the fender factory and custom shop and I find
the
> hispanics doing most of the factories manual labor, sigh....)
So? Consider where the Fender factory is located....if it were in Maine you
might have a different story. Fender needs workers, hispanic folks need
jobs. Terrible, huh?
You think the workers feel cheated they get to work in a guitar factory,
rather than labor elsewhere?
> So are those guys who love the A.Y. strat pickups (poor woman is probably
> arthritic for holdin that rubber stamp all day:)
Actually, mine appear to have her initials handwritten w/ an ink pen.
They sound great...and the 'poor woman' is probably getting paid and treated
nicely.
btw-the sig is not squiggly or crooked as to indicate arthritis.
I wouldn;t care if she was a 110 yr old drunk hermaphrodite; the pickups are
damn good.
Daniel
They (Custom Shop '69s) are available through your local Fender dealer/s.
Guitar Center and Mars both stock the '69s, as well as '57/62, Tex Specials,
Cust. '54, Fat 50's...
You can try them out in, I believe, the 69 model strat Fender put out. They
are very similar if not exactly the same as the pickups in the Hendrix and
Voodoo strats.
Another guy made reference to some being specially made for a sixties
Relic/NOS strat by AY; these pickups I know nothing about as far as
availability for purchase is concerned.
The Cust Shop/Relic pickups are fantastic pickups, although IMO the 69's are
a tad more versatile in that they sound better through higher gain levels
than the 50's/early 60's type tone the relics have.
Daniel
<joh...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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I'm using EMG DG-20 system and love it. No hum or buzz.
Kory
Regards,
John Templeton
Kate Ebneter <ebn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:39AC3065...@ix.netcom.com...
> Lindy Fralins! :-)
>
> I have a set of Lindy Fralin Blues Specials in my Clapton Strat, and it
blows
> me away every time I play it. Damn nice pickups.
>
> The Custom Shop jobs in my '56 NOS are pretty good, too...
>
lam wrote:
> It ain't a Strat if it don't hum......
>
> Lam
>
> Kory Hamzeh <ko...@avatar.com> wrote in message
> news:Y4hr5.5080$R87.118755@sjc-read...
"tom heertjes" <to...@chello.nl> wrote in message
news:39AB7937...@chello.nl...
> OK this must be a open door question,but after a lot of experimentation
> (obvious not enough) : "whats the best pickup configuration on a
> stratocaster?"
>
> I tried :
> - fender american standards
> - fender texas specials
> - emg's
> - fender tex mex
> - fender japan pickups
> - japanese tokai pickups
> - japanese squier pickups
> - seymour duncan single coils
> - seymour duncan jeff beck juniors
> - kent armstrong single coils
> - bill lawrence blade pickup
> - 57 reissue fender pickups
> - dimarzio hs2 pickup
> - fender lace sensors gold
>
> and some others,i find the texmex ok in a good strat,the american
> standard dont
> do it for me,the texas specials are better to the american standards
> but...,the seymour duncans are a bit low on output the jeff beck is OK
> but not a single coil.
> the emg s are quiet but a bit harsh. the japanese pickups (with glued on
> magnets) are :not good sounding (thin and shrill) ,the lace sensors are
> OK but a bit metallic sounding ,the 57 reissue s are OK but low on
> volume (not Fat).The kent armstrong was a mess (even the wires are
> messy),the bill lawrence is dunno
> sort of not fenderish tone ,the dimarzio is the best according to
> dimarzio who claims eric johnson s secret weapen is the hs 2 wired for
> single coil..(..)
>
>
> I heard of Kinman pickups to be great (but not single coils rather
> humbuckers)
> and some duncans should be great (antiqueties?),probably the pre CBS
> pickups
> are great also (but dream on) ,i have a 1972 set pickups with staggered
> polepieces but have to get them of that strat,so no option,besides i
> find them not spectacular good.
>