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Don Evans

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Aug 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/28/00
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Tom,

I fear your search is yet not complete. You should check out Fralins, Suhrs
and Tom Anderson single coils (IMHO). I'd be curious to hear more about
the Bill Lawrence blades. Did you get them directly from Bill Lawrence?
How did they compare to, say, the American Standards, or the Duncan Vintage?

BTW, I've got some Kinman AVn "vintage set" pickups. They live somewhere
between sc's and humbucking --- sc type tone, but a different "feel".

Anyway, so far, the closest to _my_ tone quest has been the Fralins, but
I've not heard the Suhrs, and I've yet to read about anyone not liking 'em,
and all the descriptions of them have sounded like what I'm looking for, but
you know how that works. Hum bothers me enough that I'm still looking for
the "real" hum canceling single coil .

Don

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tom heertjes wrote in message <39AB7937...@chello.nl>...
>OK this must be a open door question,but after a lot of experimentation
>(obvious not enough) : "whats the best pickup configuration on a
>stratocaster?"
>
>I tried :
>><snip lots of good stuff>
>><snip lots of good reviews>
>the bill lawrence is dunno
>sort of not fenderish tone ,the dimarzio is the best according to
>dimarzio who claims eric johnson s secret weapen is the hs 2 wired for
>single coil..(..)
>
>
>I heard of Kinman pickups to be great (but not single coils rather
>humbuckers)
>><snip>
>In short : THE best pickup config. for a stratocaster (any origin) is
>:...........?
>
>-Tom.
>
>

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Jarno Nurminen

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tom heertjes wrote:
> In short : THE best pickup config. for a stratocaster (any origin) is
> :...........?

Why don't you forget the pickups for a while, and buy some other amp?
Seems to me that you have already tried every pickup that there are....

--
Jarno Nurminen
jnur...@NOSPAMnic.fi

Ngo-Minh-Khanh

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Hi Tom,

Like you, I've tried them all but to my ears and to my hands, the best
pickups for Strat are Kinmans. I own the Traditional set 56-56-62 and I'll
buy another one, the Warm Classic 62-62-59, plus Chris Kinman is a very very
kind person (no, I'm not working for him, I'm from Paris, France) .

Hope that helps.

Khanh.

tom heertjes wrote:

> OK this must be a open door question,but after a lot of experimentation
> (obvious not enough) : "whats the best pickup configuration on a
> stratocaster?"
>
> I tried :

> - fender american standards
> - fender texas specials
> - emg's
> - fender tex mex
> - fender japan pickups
> - japanese tokai pickups
> - japanese squier pickups
> - seymour duncan single coils
> - seymour duncan jeff beck juniors
> - kent armstrong single coils
> - bill lawrence blade pickup
> - 57 reissue fender pickups
> - dimarzio hs2 pickup
> - fender lace sensors gold
>
> and some others,i find the texmex ok in a good strat,the american
> standard dont
> do it for me,the texas specials are better to the american standards
> but...,the seymour duncans are a bit low on output the jeff beck is OK
> but not a single coil.
> the emg s are quiet but a bit harsh. the japanese pickups (with glued on
> magnets) are :not good sounding (thin and shrill) ,the lace sensors are
> OK but a bit metallic sounding ,the 57 reissue s are OK but low on
> volume (not Fat).The kent armstrong was a mess (even the wires are
> messy),the bill lawrence is dunno


> sort of not fenderish tone ,the dimarzio is the best according to
> dimarzio who claims eric johnson s secret weapen is the hs 2 wired for
> single coil..(..)
>
> I heard of Kinman pickups to be great (but not single coils rather
> humbuckers)

> and some duncans should be great (antiqueties?),probably the pre CBS
> pickups
> are great also (but dream on) ,i have a 1972 set pickups with staggered
> polepieces but have to get them of that strat,so no option,besides i
> find them not spectacular good.


>
> In short : THE best pickup config. for a stratocaster (any origin) is
> :...........?
>

> -Tom.


Don Herring

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"tom heertjes" <to...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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> OK this must be a open door question,but after a lot of experimentation
> (obvious not enough) : "whats the best pickup configuration on a
> stratocaster?"
>
snip a bunch of stuff

> I heard of Kinman pickups to be great (but not single coils rather
> humbuckers)

I prefer to think of Kinman as noiseless single coils. They have a great
single coil sound. Do they have that vintage vibe? I dunno, but did I
mention that they sound really good? I do know that they do not sound like
a humbucker. I've got a set of the AVn-Blues in my '69 Strat, and am
thinking about a set of the Traditionals for a mid 80's MIJ Strat that I
just picked up.

Don

Nick V. Flor

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Well, first you need to realize that the pickup is just one part of the tone
chain.

For example, most people think Lace Sensors suck; and through a lot of amps
I can see where they're coming from. But put those lace sensors through a
ToneMaster and it sounds great. Why? I don't know. But it does. It's the
combination of equipment that makes the tone.

I would go for the classic strat sound, maybe a set of Vintage strat pickups
(or whatever they put in the '62 reissue) or '69 reissues, and get the "grit
and oomph" somewhere else down the tone chain.

Can you tell us what kind of music you play? What kind of amp do you have?
What kind of strat is it?

and remember: tone is epistatic

- Nick

Odin

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Aug 29, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/29/00
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Van Zandt or Kinman. Both are exceptional sounding pickups and are so far
above the pickups you listed that you should hear an immediate improvement.


"tom heertjes" <to...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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> OK this must be a open door question,but after a lot of experimentation
> (obvious not enough) : "whats the best pickup configuration on a
> stratocaster?"
>

> I heard of Kinman pickups to be great (but not single coils rather
> humbuckers)

Tman

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I like Duncan AlNiCos,and fralin pickups.

The duncans are very sweet sounding, the fralin, esp with the base plate is
great rock guitar pickup.

peatea

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I have a 1972 Stratocaster with stock pickups that I bought new. I am and
have been very happy with the way it sounds.
Pt

TV

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I consider the John Suhr 60's pickups to be the finest full sounding pickups
available for a
stratocaster. Big low end with plenty of top end glass. Some pickups offer
chime, others fatness, high output,etc. This particular maker (ex fender
custom shop masterbuilder) has an ear for the strat like
no other, in my book.
In ranting let me add this as I build strats and tele's myself. While there
are many,many peripherals to
an instruments tone (ie.amps,cords,effects,etc) it starts w/ the guitar
(excluding the bone structure of your hands and finger flesh density..ask
eric and eddie).
The wood itself and its resonance are factors in deciding which pickups will
compliment its inherent tone. Secondly how your individual ears perceive
what frequencies are pleasurable and those which arent, ise the relevant
factor to what "good" tone actually is.
In addition the pickups (inductors)are only part of the electronics of a
guitar. You still have variable resistors(pots.) and capacitors. These all
play a part in quality of tone.
I can only give my own example of whats "good".
I use a John Suhr 60's neck pickup,
fender C.S. '54 middle pickup,
and a Dimarzio Fastrack 2 bridge
I have switched the stock 250k's to 500k
volume(.o1cap), 1mg tone(.47cap), 500k blend pot.
I use premium wire and silver-solder throughout.
This compliments the 10yr old alder body and maple neck's resonant
qualities.
This set up allows me infinite tonal possibilities for many styles of music,
and tone morphings.
I would not use this set up for another strat unless it possessed extremely
similiar tone characteristics.
I have a rosewood strat with a soft maple body and its needs are definitely
different:
Texas Special bridge in the Neck position (very cool trick w/proper pots):)
Fender C.S. Fat 50's in middle and bridge,
with 500k volume (.33cap),(1mg tone pots w/.47 caps)
solid copper wiring,silversolder.
This guitars body is inherently bright, but with the darker
sounding,overwound TX special bridge pckup in the strats neck position ther
is now an amazing balance that brings out the low end and spank of sparkle.
The fat 50's and specific circuitry compliment a very beautiful vintage tone
w/gusto.
I live for this crap so please email me if you want to discuss this lunacy
further.
peace,
TV

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> Van Zandt or Kinman. Both are exceptional sounding pickups and are so far
> above the pickups you listed that you should hear an immediate
improvement.
>
>

Andrew P. Mullhaupt

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"tom heertjes" <to...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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>
> In short : THE best pickup config. for a stratocaster (any origin) is

Sets I've had good luck with are:

Fender NOS "Abigail Ybarra".
Duncan Antiquities.

Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt

the_plan...@my-deja.com

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How about a Ford F-150. You've tried everything else.

Here's a guess, the people at the store where you bought these
14 different types of pickups either love you, or hate you, but they
definitely know you.


You're spending too much time on pickups. One, if not several, should
have made a sound you liked. Is your former name Polfus?


I have some beach front property in Kansas, would you like to buy it?

In article <39AB7937...@chello.nl>,

> In short : THE best pickup config. for a stratocaster (any origin) is

> :...........?
>
> -Tom.
>
>


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Helge König

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Tom,

the Fender Discussion Page (FDP) has forums with lots of threads comparing
all these replacement pickups, Fender and non-Fender.

Look at http://www.fenderforum.com

Harmony Central has some qualified reviews anout replacement pickups:
http://www.harmony-central.com/ but I'm sure you already know HC.

Kinman and Lindy Fralin have interesting homepages with lots of information:
http://www.fralinpickups.com/
http://www.kinman.com/

My favourite strat pickups is a matched set of Lindy Fralin Vintage Hots
with the optional bassplate on the bridge pickup. Remember true vintage
pickups may vary in specs and sound, and they are not automatically good
only because they're old.

Regarding the prices, you may consider the cheaper Fender Custom Shop'54 or
Fat 50s, too. These can be tested in many available strats today. Some sets
don't have a reverse wound/reverse poled middly pickup for hum cancellation
(e.g. the CS'54).

Don't forget some pickups will match a wood type better than others. I had
Am Std pups that sounded well in an ash body and not-so-well in a poplar
body (here I recommend TX Specials, f.e.).

hope that helps,

cheers
Helge


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Philip J. Bergeron

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The EMG SAs are a lot less harsh, but I would not consider them "vintage".
The Kinman's are amazing pickups. I got a Traditional set and stuck them in
a 60's MIM reissue and loved 'em. I bought a "Blues" set for a Japanese '57
reissue and a Hank Marvin set for and ash American Standard. All of these
sets sound great, very "Stratty". I think I like the Blues set best...no,
wait, the Marvins...

Although, if you have tried all of these pickups and were not happy, perhaps
a Les Paul is better suited to you.

-Bucky

Kate Ebneter

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Lindy Fralins! :-)

I have a set of Lindy Fralin Blues Specials in my Clapton Strat, and it blows
me away every time I play it. Damn nice pickups.

The Custom Shop jobs in my '56 NOS are pretty good, too...

Kate Ebneter
Collector of Noise Toys

Not A Speck Of Cereal

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So pea...@earthlink.net (peatea) wuz saying::
[]
[] I have a 1972 Stratocaster with stock pickups that I bought new. I am and

[] have been very happy with the way it sounds.

Shut up. You think we wanna hear about the unobtainable? (read: we're
extremely envious).

Of course, they'll be microphonic any moment now, if they ain't
already...

----
re: rmmg: "I gotta read his stuff with my tin foil helmet
fully tightened, and I even have to make myself tin foil
gauntlets for when I type a reply to his stuff."
-- a certain someone
Remove X's from my email address above to reply
[These opinions are personal views only and only my personal views]

Peter McFerrin

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Wait, isn't that what power conditioners are for? And doesn't a Strat
sound best in positions 2 and 4 anyway? (Of course, I'm madly in love
with position 3, but I hate hum.)

TV

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Anyone use Rio Grande BQ 'buckers in da strat???

In having owned a Robin Ranger Custom, I have really been enlightened about
Rio Grande Pickups especially for the neck'buckers and tele bridge. Very
cool,very vintage, bell like and bouncy. Since the guitar is modeled after a
Tele somewhat, could I hear from
those who have used Rio's (muy Grande)in a strat?
I currently also use a Reverend Commando w/Ken armstrongs pups and find them
light and airy but lacking in definition.

For me to enjoy effects pedals(overdrives and fuzz) to the fullest, to hear
their true potential.. I must use
my strat in the neck position. ITs not that I cant enjoy other guitars w/
effects but my
ears definitely are conditioned to hear through the Strat(w/ the Suhr 60's
pickup).
I am about to build myself another strat w/ a mahogany body and pau ferro
fretboard
so I am up to experimenting with a full humbucker setup, like the B-Q
'buckers or something...
thanks in advance,
TV


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Kate Ebneter

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"Andrew P. Mullhaupt" wrote:
>
> "Kate Ebneter" <ebn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:39AC3065...@ix.netcom.com...
> > Lindy Fralins! :-)
> >
> > I have a set of Lindy Fralin Blues Specials in my Clapton Strat, and it
> blows
> > me away every time I play it. Damn nice pickups.
>
> I had a set of those in my Schecter Strat. They just didn't cut it. I
> replaced them with the Antiquities and those are admirable.

Well, the Clapton does have that pre-amp in it. It's a pretty hot guitar,
and it works well with the slightly hotter pickups. I suspect it's down
to different body woods, different tastes, yadda yadda ... :-)

> > The Custom Shop jobs in my '56 NOS are pretty good, too...
>

> Those are Abigail Ybarra's, right? Those are excellent.

Yup, that they are. That Strat is f*cking awesome, honestly.

joh...@ix.netcom.com

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> > > The Custom Shop jobs in my '56 NOS are pretty good, too...
> >
> > Those are Abigail Ybarra's, right? Those are excellent.
>
> Yup, that they are. That Strat is f*cking awesome, honestly.

Those pickups are fantastic as are her Custom Shop '69s.
I have those in the neck/middle with a Dimarzio VV Solo at the bridge (wired
to tone pot)
on my favorite strat.

Fender Fat 50's are also nice pickups...
Other I;d personally be interested in would be the Suhrs, Fralin Blues
Specials or Woodstocks...and Van Zants. Other than that, Fender CS stuff is
great for a 'fender' sound.

Daniel


glaz...@my-deja.com

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Don

I like the way you describe the Kinman AVN vintage pickups. You are
really right. The hum canceling single-coil designs really are a
humbucker design. I've looked at the actual pickups and how they are
made. I've also done allot of A/B testing with real single coils and
the hum canceling designs. The difference is the hum canceling designs
do cancel the hum, but they also cancel other parts of the tone that
the true single coils let through. A really good true single coil
pickup let's everything through because it is not canceling anything
and has it's own sound, you also have hum however. DiMarzio and Kinman
did an excellent job with these hum canceling designs and they do sound
like Strat pickups. Sure they are not dead exact and I can hear those
differences in the response, tone, touch sensitivity and shimmer of the
pickup. I prefer a real single-coil myself due to this and the hum has
not been a problem for me. It could be a problem in the wrong club
with bad power(what is on that circuit you plugged into, the
refrigerator in the back of the club?) and stage lighting too close
over the band. If hum is a problem then consider one of the hum
canceling Strat pickup designs.

There is not a best Strat pickup set for everyone due to everyone likes
something different. You have to find what you prefer and what really
works for your gear setup.

Mike Glazier/Owner of Main Street Music: http://www.mainmusic.com

<39ac2...@news.uisreno.com>,

> >OK this must be a open door question,but after a lot of
experimentation
> >(obvious not enough) : "whats the best pickup configuration on a
> >stratocaster?"
> >
> >I tried :

> >><snip lots of good stuff>
> >><snip lots of good reviews>

> >the bill lawrence is dunno
> >sort of not fenderish tone ,the dimarzio is the best according to
> >dimarzio who claims eric johnson s secret weapen is the hs 2 wired
for
> >single coil..(..)
> >
> >
> >I heard of Kinman pickups to be great (but not single coils rather
> >humbuckers)

> >><snip>


> >In short : THE best pickup config. for a stratocaster (any origin) is
> >:...........?
> >
> >-Tom.
> >
> >
>
>

Andrew P. Mullhaupt

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"Kate Ebneter" <ebn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Lindy Fralins! :-)
>
> I have a set of Lindy Fralin Blues Specials in my Clapton Strat, and it
blows
> me away every time I play it. Damn nice pickups.

I had a set of those in my Schecter Strat. They just didn't cut it. I
replaced them with the Antiquities and those are admirable.

> The Custom Shop jobs in my '56 NOS are pretty good, too...

Those are Abigail Ybarra's, right? Those are excellent.

Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt


E Mills

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While not a true stratocaster pickup, I like the Duncan STB 5 (trembucker)
in the bridge position while running a locking bridge. I haven't found a
really good mid and neck position pickup yet, but Dimarzio single coil
pickups (don't know which model but they were supposedly distortion pu)
seemed to have the best mixture of warmth, brightness and even tone. Of
course, I haven't tried many pickups. The stock Fender pickups I've had
always sounded adequate, though. Only problem with them was the uneven
volume for each string.

Ed


Nic Beamso

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Best Strat Pickup? Is there a way to get it? Please tell me then!
[Ha,ha!] I owned about 20 strats in my life - so far! And all I can say
is, get a good axe first! If these pickups (you tried) won´t work for
you, you have to get a better guitar or a better amp! For example once
I tried the Lace sensor, they were fine with my Soldano head, but
didn´t fit with my Vox, Matchless or Fenders! It´s the whole signal
chain - starting with your FINGERS - strings, guitar, pickups, cable,
amps, effects, speakers and so on! You may try playing with fingers
like Robben Ford, Jeff Beck or Mark Knopfler! Urrgghh! Or try a coin
like Billy Gibbons or Brian May!

But ......
Once my stock neck-pickup on my 62 strat - really amazing axe - broke
down! I think the wiring just broke - it was a nightmare! I tried about
20 neck pickups and none of them didn´t fit to the others or the
guitar! So I decided to let it rewind! But still this pickup won´t fit
as it does before! So ... I decided to put a whole new set in the strat
and just keep the good ole stocks in spare! I tried a bunch of sets -
but as I´m a vintage guy - Lindy Fralin build me some custom pickups
for this strat! They still sound different than the stock ones, but
they complement to my axe! I´m not saying the fralins are the best
pickups, it was the only solution for my ´62 axe. If you really want a
special sound then ask Lindy or some other pickup-makers to build you a
custom one! So far we´re not sure what sound your looking for and maybe
you, too! So far I have guitars with Duncans on and the just rock - a
strat with Fat 50s and they are cool on this guitar - a Tom Anderson,
which is a great axe with great pickups - a reissue strat with those
Abigail Ybarra's-Pickups which is a very defined, nice instrument - a
nontrem strat with VanZants and so on! Every guitar I own has its
special character and referring to the musical style they fit perfect!
So get your style, get your sound, practice, get some good gear and
then let us know what you think is YOUR BEST STRAT PICKUP!

Andrew P. Mullhaupt

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<joh...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>
> > > > The Custom Shop jobs in my '56 NOS are pretty good, too...
> > >
> > > Those are Abigail Ybarra's, right? Those are excellent.
> >
> > Yup, that they are. That Strat is f*cking awesome, honestly.
>
> Those pickups are fantastic as are her Custom Shop '69s.
> I have those in the neck/middle with a Dimarzio VV Solo at the bridge
(wired
> to tone pot)
> on my favorite strat.

What I want to know about the Abigail Ybarra pickups is anyone doing an
apprenticeship or something on that? She's in her eighties, and Fender
supposedly got her back out of retirement for a limited quantity only.

Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt

gerry garavaglia

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I like the Lindy Fralin "vintage hot" strat pickups.

Gerry

EdRed

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How does one get the Abigail Ybarra pickups?
Are they available online or do you have to contact fender custom shop?

Cheers

ER


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Nic Beamso

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Yeah, I think they are called "Custom Shop '69 Strat"-Pickups. Look at
www.fender.com ! You may to order them through a Custom Shop (Master)
Dealer or contact the "Custom Shop" per mail! I got mine used from a
guy, who bought a NOS-Strat 2-3 month ago and was totally unhappy with
these PickUps - he changed to Fralins - but I love them on my 50´s
Reissue Strat! They have nice top-end and warm lows - they fit perfect
for that Hank Marvin-into Vox thing - for me!

... a nice one!

Nic Beamso.

"It´s not the gear - it´s the person!"


In article <39ACF8C3...@javanet.com>,

Claude V. Lucas

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In article <6d5r5.33062$e11.2...@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>,

Andrew P. Mullhaupt <d...@zen-pharaohs.com> wrote:
>
><joh...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:8oi37f$u9e$1...@slb1.atl.mindspring.net...
>>
>> > > > The Custom Shop jobs in my '56 NOS are pretty good, too...
>> > >
>> > > Those are Abigail Ybarra's, right? Those are excellent.
>> >
>> > Yup, that they are. That Strat is f*cking awesome, honestly.
>>
>

My fave Strat pickups are the stock ones in my white '55.
The bridge pickup has more "bite" than any other one I've heard.
As far as aftermarket, I'm surprised no none has mentioned
Joe Barden...


Claude

Tom Yost

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"Andrew P. Mullhaupt" wrote:
>
>
> What I want to know about the Abigail Ybarra pickups is anyone doing an
> apprenticeship or something on that? She's in her eighties, and Fender
> supposedly got her back out of retirement for a limited quantity only.
>

WTF?

Does this woman have some special mojo or what?

She should start her own business: "Abigail Ybarra Pickups" She may be
too old to enjoy it but her heirs will be rich ...


Tom

TV

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Fender belabored Mexican americans all thoughout the fifties and sixties in
their shops, and now they want to use a woman who once worked for minimum
wage and crappy conditions to their advantage?
Shit she was just a person turning the handle on a friggin' spindle winder..
If you believe in mexican mojo, then let me hotrod your strat, I'm half
mexican half irish/german..I'll send ya some mojo allright!
(I have toured extensively the fender factory and custom shop and I find the
hispanics doing most of the factories manual labor, sigh....)

Since they are capitilizing on Mexican americans maybe they can bring my Dad
back as He worked in the finish dept. in the sixties. He'd be happy to stamp
the sunburst finishes for yah!
So are those guys who love the A.Y. strat pickups (poor woman is probably
arthritic for holdin that rubber stamp all day:) the same ones that think
that Aunt Jemaimah' ever saw 'bank on her syrup? :) *very sarcastic,wink*
nothin but love 'n racial harmony,
TV

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TV

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For my overseas/outa-the-states friends there are several contacts for the
John Suhr V60's
pickups. I found these at the site www.suhrguitars.com :

Sounds Great Music
180-182 Wilmslow Road
Heald Green
Cheadle Cheshire
England SK8 3BG
Tel. 0161-436-4799
Fax. 0161-498-6468
www.soundsgreatmusic.com
sound...@btinternet.com

Siggi Schwarz Music
Gewerbegobiet Aufhausen-West
I m Bruhl 17
89520 Heidenheim
Germany
Tel. 0 73 21 / 6 38 38
Fax 0 73 21 / 6 67 69

Pro Guitar
Buchenweg 13
D- 90592 Schwarzenbuck
prog...@proguitar.de
Germany
Tel. 49 9183/902 902-4
Fax 49 9183/902 902-5


COSMOS CORPORATION
1461-9, Seocho-Dong,
Seocho-Ku, Seoul, Korea
Euny Min
Tel : 82-2-3486-0011
Fax : 82-2-3486-0044

GuitarEast
35 Wilkinson Road,
Singapore 436693.
Tel/fax 3453516. Email: gui...@magix.com.sg

peace,
TV


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> tom heertjes schreef:


>
> > OK this must be a open door question,but after a lot of experimentation
> > (obvious not enough) : "whats the best pickup configuration on a
> > stratocaster?"
>

> <snip>
>

joh...@ix.netcom.com

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TV <tavoc...@linkline.com> wrote in message
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> Fender belabored Mexican americans all thoughout the fifties and sixties
in
> their shops, and now they want to use a woman who once worked for minimum
> wage and crappy conditions to their advantage?

So you know first hand about the work conditions in a shop some 40-50 years
ago?
Go read a book about labor history if you want to find crappy work
conditions.
You think she still works min wage?

> Shit she was just a person turning the handle on a friggin' spindle
winder..

If it is so easy, why don't ya just wind us some pickups up and see how they
sound?

> (I have toured extensively the fender factory and custom shop and I find
the
> hispanics doing most of the factories manual labor, sigh....)

So? Consider where the Fender factory is located....if it were in Maine you
might have a different story. Fender needs workers, hispanic folks need
jobs. Terrible, huh?
You think the workers feel cheated they get to work in a guitar factory,
rather than labor elsewhere?


> So are those guys who love the A.Y. strat pickups (poor woman is probably
> arthritic for holdin that rubber stamp all day:)

Actually, mine appear to have her initials handwritten w/ an ink pen.
They sound great...and the 'poor woman' is probably getting paid and treated
nicely.
btw-the sig is not squiggly or crooked as to indicate arthritis.

I wouldn;t care if she was a 110 yr old drunk hermaphrodite; the pickups are
damn good.


Daniel


joh...@ix.netcom.com

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Nic Beamso <bea...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Yeah, I think they are called "Custom Shop '69 Strat"-Pickups. Look at
> www.fender.com ! You may to order them through a Custom Shop (Master)
> Dealer or contact the "Custom Shop" per mail!

They (Custom Shop '69s) are available through your local Fender dealer/s.
Guitar Center and Mars both stock the '69s, as well as '57/62, Tex Specials,
Cust. '54, Fat 50's...
You can try them out in, I believe, the 69 model strat Fender put out. They
are very similar if not exactly the same as the pickups in the Hendrix and
Voodoo strats.

Another guy made reference to some being specially made for a sixties
Relic/NOS strat by AY; these pickups I know nothing about as far as
availability for purchase is concerned.
The Cust Shop/Relic pickups are fantastic pickups, although IMO the 69's are
a tad more versatile in that they sound better through higher gain levels
than the 50's/early 60's type tone the relics have.

Daniel

TV

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cool... I'm glad they sound great, I'll have to hear em. I am entitled to
rant about the crap of big business once in a while. ..
I was actually alive in the sixties, and remember my dad walking outa the
Fender Factory quansit-huts(metal buildings) to our buick le sabre, and
hearin' his complaints for years(he was employed there as was my uncle),
though he still enjoyed the opportunity in making his own guitar. I have in
the last fours years had several aquaintances who have quit because they are
overworked, and not paid enough. So I can complain a little.. maybe the
mexican slant was a bit overboard.. :- )
and fender is banking on you not caring about anything/anyone except your
purchase. This means they are successful in their marketing ploys..
Am I boycotting Fender, no. Am I badmouthing marketing tricks from large
shiester businesses that wont disclose annual sales but still are the
largest in the world in guitar sales. YES...
BTW Joe montana's signature looks real good too on my football, I'm sure he
signed them all by himself! :) :)
TV

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Kory Hamzeh

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tom heertjes wrote in message <39AB7937...@chello.nl>...
>OK this must be a open door question,but after a lot of experimentation
>(obvious not enough) : "whats the best pickup configuration on a
>stratocaster?"
>

I'm using EMG DG-20 system and love it. No hum or buzz.

Kory


John Templeton

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If you want to try something different from Fralin I can highly recommend
his "Real 54's". I just had a 57 strat repro build with a one piece swamp
ash body and the tone is killer. It really does sound a LOT like the few 54
strats I've had a chance to play except of course for the hum canceling
RW/RP middle pickup. The oldies have an in-between sound that I can't get
using a RW/RP middle pickup.

Regards,

John Templeton

Kate Ebneter <ebn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Lindy Fralins! :-)
>
> I have a set of Lindy Fralin Blues Specials in my Clapton Strat, and it
blows
> me away every time I play it. Damn nice pickups.
>

> The Custom Shop jobs in my '56 NOS are pretty good, too...
>

Ngo-Minh-Khanh

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If you can get real good sounds without any hum, why bother with real single
coils ?

lam wrote:

> It ain't a Strat if it don't hum......
>
> Lam
>
> Kory Hamzeh <ko...@avatar.com> wrote in message
> news:Y4hr5.5080$R87.118755@sjc-read...

shooter

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Velvet Hammer!
full low mids and highs.
subtle overtones.
get a great strat "inbetween sound"
doug

"tom heertjes" <to...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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> OK this must be a open door question,but after a lot of experimentation
> (obvious not enough) : "whats the best pickup configuration on a
> stratocaster?"
>

> I tried :
> - fender american standards
> - fender texas specials
> - emg's
> - fender tex mex
> - fender japan pickups
> - japanese tokai pickups
> - japanese squier pickups
> - seymour duncan single coils
> - seymour duncan jeff beck juniors
> - kent armstrong single coils
> - bill lawrence blade pickup
> - 57 reissue fender pickups
> - dimarzio hs2 pickup
> - fender lace sensors gold
>
> and some others,i find the texmex ok in a good strat,the american
> standard dont
> do it for me,the texas specials are better to the american standards
> but...,the seymour duncans are a bit low on output the jeff beck is OK
> but not a single coil.
> the emg s are quiet but a bit harsh. the japanese pickups (with glued on
> magnets) are :not good sounding (thin and shrill) ,the lace sensors are
> OK but a bit metallic sounding ,the 57 reissue s are OK but low on
> volume (not Fat).The kent armstrong was a mess (even the wires are

> messy),the bill lawrence is dunno


> sort of not fenderish tone ,the dimarzio is the best according to
> dimarzio who claims eric johnson s secret weapen is the hs 2 wired for
> single coil..(..)
>
>
> I heard of Kinman pickups to be great (but not single coils rather
> humbuckers)

> and some duncans should be great (antiqueties?),probably the pre CBS
> pickups
> are great also (but dream on) ,i have a 1972 set pickups with staggered
> polepieces but have to get them of that strat,so no option,besides i
> find them not spectacular good.
>

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