Brain Damaged Yngwie
JCM900
car accident(wrapped his Ferrari around a lamp post) between his
second album Marching Out and his third album Trilogy. Supposedly
he suffered some nerve damage in the accident. Interestingly enough
while all his work prior to the accident was quite spectacular,
everything he's done since then has been quite mediocre. You don't
suppose brain damage is to blame. Just think, if Yngwie had gotten
killed, he would have been enshrined with the other guitar gods,
Jimi, Randy, Duane and Stevie Ray. Instead he survived to slip into
mediocrity, releasing so many bad albums his reputation
went to pot.
JCM900
>
> I don't think that's the only reason his reputation went to pot. I would have
> paid much more attention to him had I not read his interviews after the Rising
> Force release and discovered how arrogant and stuck on himself he was. That
> more than anything made me a non-fan.
But you have to admit everything he put out after the car accident
sucked. Its one thing to be arrogant when you can back it up. Its
another to be arrogant when you can't. I seems the car accident
humbled Yngwie's creative capacity but not his attitude. Too bad
it wasn't the other way around.
Megamanic
>went to pot.
I don't think that's the only reason his reputation went to pot. I would have
paid much more attention to him had I not read his interviews after the Rising
Force release and discovered how arrogant and stuck on himself he was. That
more than anything made me a non-fan.
Cheers and Stuff,
StevieSlackJawedPRSToadyKen
Megamanic
>>
>> I don't think that's the only reason his reputation went to pot. I would
>have
>> paid much more attention to him had I not read his interviews after the
>Rising
>> Force release and discovered how arrogant and stuck on himself he was.
>That
>> more than anything made me a non-fan.
>
>sucked. Its one thing to be arrogant when you can back it up. Its
>another to be arrogant when you can't. I seems the car accident
>humbled Yngwie's creative capacity but not his attitude. Too bad
>it wasn't the other way around.
Although I appreciated the playing skill on Rising Force, to be totally honest,
I didn't think musically it was all _that_ great. His attitude capped it for
me, and I haven't listened to his music/paid attention to him at all since.
Cheers and Stuff,
StevieSlackJawedPRSToadyKen
Chip of Known Space
wrote:
>everything he's done since then has been quite mediocre. You don't
>suppose brain damage is to blame. Just think, if Yngwie had gotten
>killed, he would have been enshrined with the other guitar gods,
He couldn't have gotten killed! Don't you know, he *is* the Demon
Driver, yes *the* Demon Driver. He said so.
Chip McDonald
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Mike Pritchard
>From: mega...@aol.comNO (Megamanic)
>Subject: Re: Brain Damaged Yngwie
>Date: 8 Jan 1999 07:11:35 GMT
Thank you! Someone else who doesn't think Yngwie is a guitar god. He never
impressed me, either. Yeah, he's fast, but that's all he's got (IMHO). After
the first amazement of his speed wore off, I found myself quite bored by his
playing. I'll take taste over speed, anytime.
My 2 cents,
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has. Same classical shit over and over. His ego doesn't help any. Try
listening to REAL players like Vai, Tipton or (insert name).
-DC
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mega...@aol.comNO (Megamanic) wrote:
=== snip ===
>
> I don't think that's the only reason his reputation went to pot. I would have
> paid much more attention to him had I not read his interviews after the Rising
> Force release and discovered how arrogant and stuck on himself he was. That
> more than anything made me a non-fan.
>
> Cheers and Stuff,
>
> StevieSlackJawedPRSToadyKen
>
One of the classiest comebacks I ever heard about was in response to an
Yngwie interview in Guitar Player. During the course of the interview he
expressed his opinions (not good) of a lot of players, including Steve Morse.
Morse wrote to the "Letters" column, congratulating Yngwie on his playing,
and adding,"...yes, thanks, I do play the 'fuckin' banjo' too...".
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Nicholas Delonas
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> Too bad his sorry ass *didn't* die.
Geez! Just because a guy doesn't play the way or as well as you
would like is no justification for DEATH!
Gadzooks!
I'd hate to face a judge like you in traffic court. Man, five miles over
the limit would rate slow death in a vat of flesh-eating slugs or
something.
--
Nicholas Delonas
Cult V
http://www.cultv.com
Steve Sklar
mentioned, there was a pretty funny part: Yngwie was talking about NOT
practicing, like "I'm so good I don't need to," and McLaughlin (a
notorious practicer) commented that he'd heard Yngiew playing before the
interview and had mentioned to the interviewer that Yngwie sounded like
a guy who doesn't practice.
Yngwie came off as a juvenile putz (or was it schmuck), esp. compared to
JMcL. He was pretty funny spouting off to McLaughlin about "Jimi this
and Jimi that" acting like a smart guy til McL mentioned that he and
Hendrix were friends and jammed together. Ynwie quieted down a bit at
that point. "You did!"
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verkuilen john v
>One of the classiest comebacks I ever heard about was in response to an
>Yngwie interview in Guitar Player. During the course of the interview he
>expressed his opinions (not good) of a lot of players, including Steve Morse.
>Morse wrote to the "Letters" column, congratulating Yngwie on his playing,
>and adding,"...yes, thanks, I do play the 'fuckin' banjo' too...".
Johnnie Marr (of the late, lamented Smiths) had some good comebacks to
the Swede as did Jeff Beck. And Marr is no slowcoach of a guitarist either,
although his style differs totally from the Swede.
I recall an interview with Jeff Beck stating he didn't need scalloped frets,
velcro fasteners, or various other gadgets.
--
J. Verkuilen ja...@uiuc.edu
"...and so castles made of sand slip into the sea, eventually."
--Jimi Hendrix
RUCRAZYnca
Keep in mind though, as brilliant as his first album was, many of those
melodies were directly choplifted from existing classical pieces.
Dan Stanley
mcke...@integnet.com wrote in message <775d7f$bcj$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <19990108005128...@ng-fu1.aol.com>,
> mega...@aol.comNO (Megamanic) wrote:
>
>=== snip ===
>
>>
>> I don't think that's the only reason his reputation went to pot. I would
have
>> paid much more attention to him had I not read his interviews after the
Rising
>> Force release and discovered how arrogant and stuck on himself he was.
That
>> more than anything made me a non-fan.
>>
>> Cheers and Stuff,
>>
>> StevieSlackJawedPRSToadyKen
>>
>
>Yngwie interview in Guitar Player. During the course of the interview he
>expressed his opinions (not good) of a lot of players, including Steve
Morse.
>Morse wrote to the "Letters" column, congratulating Yngwie on his playing,
>and adding,"...yes, thanks, I do play the 'fuckin' banjo' too...".
>
Steve Morse does seem like a class act. I really enjoy his column in Guitar,
too, although I wish that he'd drop a couple of measures of music in, every
now and then.
His column is always good for a little attitude adjustment, though, and that
can be a good thing.
Dan
pietrzak
fast, there is something of some interests, but not everything should be
fast either.
Dale
Mike Pritchard <mike-ops@nospams!.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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>In article <19990108021135...@ng29.aol.com> mega...@aol.comNO
(Megamanic) writes:
>>From: mega...@aol.comNO (Megamanic)
>>Subject: Re: Brain Damaged Yngwie
>>Date: 8 Jan 1999 07:11:35 GMT
>
>>>Megamanic wrote
>>>>
>>>> I don't think that's the only reason his reputation went to pot. I
would
>>>have
>>>> paid much more attention to him had I not read his interviews after the
>>>Rising
>>>> Force release and discovered how arrogant and stuck on himself he was.
>>>That
>>>> more than anything made me a non-fan.
>>>
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>
> In that Musician interview with Yngwie and McLaughlin that I'd
> mentioned, there was a pretty funny part: Yngwie was talking about NOT
> practicing, like "I'm so good I don't need to," and McLaughlin (a
> notorious practicer) commented that he'd heard Yngiew playing before the
> interview and had mentioned to the interviewer that Yngwie sounded like
> a guy who doesn't practice.
>
> Yngwie came off as a juvenile putz (or was it schmuck), esp. compared to
> JMcL. He was pretty funny spouting off to McLaughlin about "Jimi this
> and Jimi that" acting like a smart guy til McL mentioned that he and
> Hendrix were friends and jammed together. Ynwie quieted down a bit at
> that point. "You did!"
>
As much as I like early Yngwie, I have to admit McLaughlin is my
all time favorite guitarist. I also saw Steve Morse when he openned
for McLauchlin, DiMeola and DeLucia.
In fairness to the brain damaged Malmsteen, I will say that a lot of
this was Mike Varney's fault. If Varney had left the 19 year old
wunderkind to wallow in Swedish obscurity for a couple of years
before bringing him to America and fame, his attitude might have
been humbled somewhat. I remember what I and a lot of other "hot"
guitarists were like when we were 19. I shudder what would have
happened to our heads if we had encountered the kind of success
that Yngwie did at that age.
Carl Christensen
>I don't think that's the only reason his reputation went to pot. I would have
>paid much more attention to him had I not read his interviews after the Rising
>Force release and discovered how arrogant and stuck on himself he was. That
It's really fucking dumb to judge a guy's music based on what you
think his personality traits are. If you ever met Miles Davis he
would probably want to smack you in the head. Does that make him any
worse a musician? Hell, no (and no matter how much Nick Delonas will
try to justify it).
--
Carl Christensen Philadelphia, PA USA
E-mail: ca...@navpoint.com Web: http://www.navpoint.com/~carl
Steve Sklar
you know nobody will ever dismiss yer music because of yer personality.
What about us assholes?
Gotta go listen to The Best of Mr. Nice: Buddy Rich
Steve
Carl Christensen
wrote:
>Gotta go listen to The Best of Mr. Nice: Buddy Rich
Exactly, Buddy Rich was one of the biggest pricks around (from tales
on rmmgj) and does that make his drumming any worse?
Matthew Ivaliotes
>Exactly, Buddy Rich was one of the biggest pricks around (from tales
>on rmmgj) and does that make his drumming any worse?
Only if it's reflected in his playing. I feel that's the case with
Yngwie. Fdrom what i can hear, he felt like he knew it all 15 years
ago...and his playing has evolved (or failed to) correspondingly since
then.
Matt I.
speaking only for myself
Nicholas Delonas
says...
> If you ever met Miles Davis he
> would probably want to smack you in the head. Does that make him any
> worse a musician? Hell, no (and no matter how much Nick Delonas will
> try to justify it).
The point is, that for *most* people, if you don't like a person, it
definitely colors how you feel about their art. Art isn't like a
sporting event. Talking about how good a musician someone is isn't at
all analogous to talking about how high an athlete can jump.
Musicians and artists connect with an audience. It's not some dry
intellectual assessment of ability but something else entirely IMHO.
Suppose a great player were a truly *vicious* anti-semite? If you found
that out, are you telling me that this wouldn't affect how you feel about
their music? Okay, suppose great guitarist X is exposed as a child
rapist and murderer? Are you seriously telling me that this would in no
way influence your buying decisions or even your listening ones?
Even if you do robotically separate art from personality this way, please
do back up your assertion that not separating them is "dumb." Why
exactly is completely dissecting performance from the artist superior?
Nicholas Delonas
says...
> Exactly, Buddy Rich was one of the biggest pricks around (from tales
> on rmmgj) and does that make his drumming any worse?
Consider the opposite case.
My understanding is that Harry Chapin was quite the philanthropist. Now
I was never a big Harry Chapin fan, though I did rather like some of his
songs. Even so, upon hearing about some of his extraordinarily generous
work, it made me like him and his music just a bit more.
I guess that makes me dumb by your way of thinking.
Carl Christensen
Delonas) wrote:
>Suppose a great player were a truly *vicious* anti-semite? If you found
>that out, are you telling me that this wouldn't affect how you feel about
I've seen that label attributed to Andres Segovia, check old Dejanews
articles for rm.classical.guitar for a ref. And yes, I think that's
about as dumb to hold against his playing as it would be to not hold
Samuel Clemens/Mark Twain in high regard because he used the "n" word,
or Christopher Marlowe & William Shakespeare for their anti-semitic
writings, or Benjamin Franklin because he wanted to use big English
bull mastiff dogs to hunt out and kill Indians. One or a few
indiscretions do not invalidate an artists corpus.
>their music? Okay, suppose great guitarist X is exposed as a child
>rapist and murderer? Are you seriously telling me that this would in no
Who was it, Nils Lofgren that was found with kiddie porn? I don't
remember Sef & Stratqueen saying they were going to boycott him or he
was a worse guitarist for it (although I could be wrong). To hold an
artist's work liable to their interviews or beliefs is as silly IMHO
as the southern Christians of the US who were out burning Beatles
albums just as soon as John Lennon was quotes (way out of context I
should ad) "we're (the Beatles are) more popular than Jesus now." Did
the Beatles music all of a sudden change for William Mann or Leonard
Bernstein or a teen Beatlemaniac when that was reported in Cream
magazine in 1964?
>do back up your assertion that not separating them is "dumb." Why
>exactly is completely dissecting performance from the artist superior?
Because your assessment of the artists personality or behavior is from
third-hand sources or hearsay. Also what's a crime today is something
that everybody does tomorrow (and vice versa) so morals and mores
change. Can you not appreciate ancient cave paintings because you're
worried that the caveman may have used a big club to beat his women
over the head?
Carl Christensen
wrote:
>Only if it's reflected in his playing. I feel that's the case with
>Yngwie. Fdrom what i can hear, he felt like he knew it all 15 years
Can you point out exactly what in Yngwie's playing reflects his poor
interviewing skills and ego? I've never heard an ego riff before.
Carl Christensen
>The music was boring wankery too. Better? The guy was still an asshole. He's
>a _technically_ good player- that's it, IMO.
I know guys that met Robben Ford, Steve Howe, and Robert Fripp and
thought they were jerks too. I guess I'll stop listening to them
since their music can't be any good.
Megamanic
>would probably want to smack you in the head. Does that make him any
>worse a musician? Hell, no (and no matter how much Nick Delonas will
>try to justify it).
>
Okay, I'll bite...
The music was boring wankery too. Better? The guy was still an asshole. He's
a _technically_ good player- that's it, IMO.
Cheers and Stuff,
StevieSlackJawedPRSToadyKen
Carlginger
>think his personality traits are. If you ever met Miles Davis he
>would probably want to smack you in the head. Does that make him any
>worse a musician? Hell, no (and no matter how much Nick Delonas will
>try to justify it).
>
>
All these guys bitching about Yngwie.... couldn't play one of his licks if
their lives depended on it.
What a laugh. The guy is great so the little insecure mice crow "he sucks".
Yngwie is a lot of fun in small doses. I got plenty of video on the guy and he
kicks ass regardless is dweebs like Matt like him or not.
As to his interviews, who gives a shit?
The man has his opinions.
You want to HEAR brain damaged? Listen to John McLaughlin destroying The Wind
Cries Mary on that Hendrix tribute cd.
Carl
~*Freebird*~
>All these guys bitching about Yngwie.... couldn't play one of his licks if
>their lives depended on it.
>What a laugh. The guy is great so the little insecure mice crow "he sucks".
>Yngwie is a lot of fun in small doses. I got plenty of video on the guy
and he
>kicks ass regardless is dweebs like Matt like him or not.
>As to his interviews, who gives a shit?
>The man has his opinions.
>You want to HEAR brain damaged? Listen to John McLaughlin destroying The
Wind
>Cries Mary on that Hendrix tribute cd.
>
>Carl
I agree about Yngwie being great in small doses... I also think he'd be much
better if he got together with some real musicians instead of the other
losers in Rising Force. When I hear those albums I want the singer to choke
so he'll shut the fuck up and let the guitar be heard. Also, in all fairness
to McLaughlin, Yngwie didn't exactly do justice to Spanish Castle Magic.
There was only one Hendrix.
Rob
JCM900
>
> Can you point out exactly what in Yngwie's playing reflects his poor
> interviewing skills and ego? I've never heard an ego riff before.
I think several guitar magazines made a point of putting Yngwie
in positions where he would make a fool of himself. Interestingly
enough in two guitar magazine interviews he gave before his accident
he comes off quite nicely. Some of the interviews I've read since
then are a different story. Kind of supports my brain damage theory
doesn't it?
JCM900
>
> On 8 Jan 1999 23:37:34 GMT, mega...@aol.comNO (Megamanic) wrote:
> >a _technically_ good player- that's it, IMO.
>
> thought they were jerks too. I guess I'll stop listening to them
> since their music can't be any good.
Have you ever checked out Robert Fripp and Larry Carleton's derogatory
comments about Jimi Hendrix. In fairness to Yngwie, he's not the
only arrogant guitarist out there.
~*Freebird*~
>comments about Jimi Hendrix. In fairness to Yngwie, he's not the
>only arrogant guitarist out there.
>
I once read an interview with Jeff Beck in which he slammed a 15 year old
for sounding too much like Steve Vai. He just came across as sounding like a
guy who's jealous as hell because he couldn't play like that at 15.
Rob
JCM900
>
> Speaking of Yngwie, I was watching a friend's copy of his instructional
> vid.
Thanks for a great idea for a new thread. So guitar folks,
who puts out the funniest instructional videos for guitar?
Mark Jones
bored with the Harmonic minor scale workouts. I will be the first to admit
that the guy has amazing technique and I like it in short bursts but I have
always liked guys that have the chops but know when to cruise and when to
fire.
A Ferrari in second gear would be a good analogy
Just my 2 cents as well
regards
Mark
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Mike Pritchard wrote in message ...
>In article <19990108021135...@ng29.aol.com> mega...@aol.comNO
(Megamanic) writes:
>>From: mega...@aol.comNO (Megamanic)
>>Subject: Re: Brain Damaged Yngwie
>>Date: 8 Jan 1999 07:11:35 GMT
>
>>>Megamanic wrote
>>>>
>>>> I don't think that's the only reason his reputation went to pot. I
would
>>>have
>>>> paid much more attention to him had I not read his interviews after the
>>>Rising
>>>> Force release and discovered how arrogant and stuck on himself he was.
>>>That
John Sheehy
Choplifted. :) Did you make that up? I never heard it before.
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>Okay, I'll bite...
>The music was boring wankery too. Better? The guy was still an asshole. He's
>a _technically_ good player- that's it, IMO.
I rag on Yngwie a lot, and it's not all because of his music. His music
is bland to me, but so is the music of several other "big names" in
guitar virtuosity. I pick on Yngwie 'cuz he begs for it, with his
megalomania.
Kasper Kowalski
DC wrote in message <36961CC7...@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net>...
>Too bad his sorry ass *didn't* die. He sucks as a guitar player. Always
>has. Same classical shit over and over. His ego doesn't help any. Try
>listening to REAL players like Vai, Tipton or (insert name).
>-DC
Fuck man! Get a life! So you don't like his music, don't listen to it.
Doesn't mean he has to be dead.
KK
Carl Christensen
wrote:
>I think several guitar magazines made a point of putting Yngwie
>in positions where he would make a fool of himself. Interestingly
>enough in two guitar magazine interviews he gave before his accident
Well, don't believe everything you read in the press, especially
guitar magazines. It's not like they have Walter Cronkite or Edward
R. Murrow interviewing people. More along the lines of Stuttering
John...
Carl Christensen
wrote:
>guitar virtuosity. I pick on Yngwie 'cuz he begs for it, with his
>megalomania.
Outside of printed interviews or articles in the guitar literature
(hardly a bastion of publishing ethics, just read any review); Yngwie
hasn't seemed that bad. The one live interview I saw he was gushing
praise for Hendrix and Ritchie Blackmore. The most negative thing he
said were against guitarists copying his style and not doing his own
thing. He didn't mention names and he had a point since a lot of guys
jumped on that "neo-classical" bandwagon when he came to town.
Megamanic
>thought they were jerks too. I guess I'll stop listening to them
>since their music can't be any good.
Jeez, Carl- was there a part of "The music was boring wankery too...IMO." that
you didn't understand?
I don't listen to Yngwie because he "writes" boring shit that doesn't really do
much of anything but provide him another opportunity to solo. The fact that he
comes off like an arrogant prick in his interviews is just icing on the cake.
Cheers and Stuff,
StevieSlackJawedPRSToadyKen
jswells
> >It's really fucking dumb to judge a guy's music based on what you
> >think his personality traits are. If you ever met Miles Davis he
> >would probably want to smack you in the head. Does that make him any
> >worse a musician? Hell, no (and no matter how much Nick Delonas will
> >try to justify it).
> >
> >
>
> All these guys bitching about Yngwie.... couldn't play one of his licks if
> their lives depended on it.
> What a laugh. The guy is great so the little insecure mice crow "he sucks".
> Yngwie is a lot of fun in small doses. I got plenty of video on the guy and he
> kicks ass regardless is dweebs like Matt like him or not.
> As to his interviews, who gives a shit?
> The man has his opinions.
> You want to HEAR brain damaged? Listen to John McLaughlin destroying The Wind
> Cries Mary on that Hendrix tribute cd.
>
> Carl
>
>
I know I couldn't play an Yngwie run myself.... my chubby fingers are too
dumb to correspond..... but that doesn't mean I'll start yelling "Yngwie's
a wanker!" "Yngwie's a wanker!!!". He also gets a great tone, too.... and
with a 70s Strat.... who've thunk it?
next..... I hated the concept of BOTH those tribute cds..... in fact i'm
not real crazy about tribute cds in general anyways. From my experience,
it leaves a lot to be desired. But those 2 specifically... from what I
have heard..... save for "One Rainy Wish" done by Brian May on the
orchestra cd, i hated them both. THE HORROR!!! Listening to Buddy Miles
butchering "Purple Haze" like that......
Jason
"Wise man once say, 'before you master fishing, you must learn to master
bait.'" {unknown}
"Wynona loved her big brown beaver and she stroked him all the time. She
pricked her finger one day and it occured to her... she might have a
porcupine." {Les Claypool, Primus}
jswells
them.
Jason
"Wise man once say, 'before you master fishing, you must learn to master
bait.'" {unknown}
"Wynona loved her big brown beaver and she stroked him all the time. She
pricked her finger one day and it occured to her... she might have a
porcupine." {Les Claypool, Primus}
On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, JCM900 wrote:
> Carl Christensen wrote:
> >
> > On 8 Jan 1999 23:37:34 GMT, mega...@aol.comNO (Megamanic) wrote:
> > >The music was boring wankery too. Better? The guy was still an asshole. He's
> > >a _technically_ good player- that's it, IMO.
> >
> > I know guys that met Robben Ford, Steve Howe, and Robert Fripp and
> > thought they were jerks too. I guess I'll stop listening to them
> > since their music can't be any good.
>
Kasper Kowalski
Keyser Soze wrote in message ...
>x-no-archive: yes
>
> I don't think Yngwie suffered brain damage because of the
>accident. I just think he shot his wad on the first album. After
>that, he had nothing left to offer. Technically, Yngwie is
>astonishing. Compositionally, he's got very little depth or
>versatility.
Granted, his later stuff generally didn't compare well with his first
record. But he has produced a few things that are good eg. Marching Out (the
song, not the album), Crying, Krakatau (great grinding riff you must admit).
I wish he'd do a solo record, no spandexed/permed vocalist, just good
instrumentals....
> I used to be a big fan of his way back when. And it's kind of
>tough to continue to support him - given that he's not had a new
>thought in about 13 years.
So his playing hasn't changed much, that's his choice if he's happy with
it, and it's our choice to listen or not. To my ears (and I'm preparing for
a flaming), many blues players seem to rehash a lot of the same old
licks/riffs.
KK
John Huff
Sheehy) writes:
>
>mega...@aol.comNO (Megamanic) wrote:
>
>>Okay, I'll bite...
>
asshole. He's
>>a _technically_ good player- that's it, IMO.
>
music
>is bland to me, but so is the music of several other "big names" in
>megalomania.
Speaking of Yngwie, I was watching a friend's copy of his instructional
vid. The guy was so silly and full of himself it was funny, and his gay
stage moves/pointing/posing had me laughing.
Nearly every shot had him with a different Strat...and any time he
moved you could hear all the jewelery clanking about.
Great skill and did some real cool stuff with echo and volume swells,
however his playing gets boring fast, and, IMO his 'blues' skills are
truly sad.
Daniel
Chip of Known Space
>Too bad his sorry ass *didn't* die. He sucks as a guitar player. Always
>has.
So what you're saying is, Yngwie sucks and people who don't play in a
manner you approve should DIE? Hmm. Are we invading Poland soon?
Chip McDonald
]]] Chip McDonald - ch...@mindspring.com
]]] "Try to be reasonable whenever possible"
]]] http://www.mindspring.com/~chipm/chip.htm
]]] Musician, voracious reader, overly contemplative thinker, punching bag for fate.
]]] "People think I'm in my own world; that's ok, they know me there" - J. Hodgson
Mic Cullen
appears to have written:
>Thank you! Someone else who doesn't think Yngwie is a guitar god. He never
>impressed me, either. Yeah, he's fast, but that's all he's got (IMHO).
Yngwie is like a funny car or a rail - damn quick in a straight line, but
that's *all* it does.
have a good one,
Stevie DejaToobjerkFAQNaziMi©
Carlginger
>I think several guitar magazines made a point of putting Yngwie
>in positions where he would make a fool of himself. Interestingly
>enough in two guitar magazine interviews he gave before his accident
>then are a different story. Kind of supports my brain damage theory
>doesn't it?
I believ he was even more fiery and improvised a lot more before his car
accident.
Carl
Carlginger
> Secondly, I don't care for his egomaniacal ways, his
>propensity to bash his fellow colleagues (in print), and his general
>schtick. The frilly shirts, dungeons and dragons bullshit might've
>worked in 1985. This is 1999. Time for something new.
>
>
>Backcrkr
The funniest shit is when he was arrested for allegedly beating his
wife/girlfriend.
He looked like a bloated whale in spandex!!!
Carl
Carlginger
>
> Yngwie may be happy as a clam playing the same exact stuff he
>did when he was 21 years old. I just hope he doesn't expect to sustain
>his popularity.
>
>
He just recently recorded with an orchestra...how many guys have attempted
this?
Very few.
Carl
Carlginger
>I rag on Yngwie a lot, and it's not all because of his music. His music
>is bland to me, but so is the music of several other "big names" in
>guitar virtuosity. I pick on Yngwie 'cuz he begs for it, with his
>megalomania.
I thought his "covers" cd sucked, but he
did an orchestra thing, let's hear it before we write him off.
Carl
Carlginger
>Outside of printed interviews or articles in the guitar literature
>(hardly a bastion of publishing ethics, just read any review); Yngwie
>hasn't seemed that bad. The one live interview I saw he was gushing
>praise for Hendrix and Ritchie Blackmore. The most negative thing he
>said were against guitarists copying his style and not doing his own
>thing. He didn't mention names and he had a point since a lot of guys
>jumped on that "neo-classical" bandwagon when he came to town.
>
>--
>Carl Christensen Philadelphia, PA
My buddy is a huge Yngwie fan. A few years back they let my friend hang
backstage for over 5 hours. He got to bullshit with Malmsteen, photograph his
rig. Yngwie let him play his guitars and sihned my buddy's Strats.
Never was he nasty or anything but gracious.
Carl
Carlginger
>Speaking of Yngwie, I was watching a friend's copy of his instructional
>vid. The guy was so silly and full of himself it was funny, and his gay
>stage moves/pointing/posing had me laughing.
>Nearly every shot had him with a different Strat...and any time he
>moved you could hear all the jewelery clanking about.
>Great skill and did some real cool stuff with echo and volume swells,
>however his playing gets boring fast, and, IMO his 'blues' skills are
>truly sad.
>
>Daniel
That video sucked, BUT the three part Japan instructional one is awesome.
He gets way into it.
Carl
Carlginger
>Have you ever checked out Robert Fripp and Larry Carleton's derogatory
>comments about Jimi Hendrix. In fairness to Yngwie, he's not the
>only arrogant guitarist out there.
Good one, I still remember Carton's fucked comments on Jimi.
Carl
Russ Wren
Carl Christensen wrote in message <369c9781...@news.navpoint.com>...
>On 8 Jan 1999 23:37:34 GMT, mega...@aol.comNO (Megamanic) wrote:
He's
>>a _technically_ good player- that's it, IMO.
>
>thought they were jerks too. I guess I'll stop listening to them
>since their music can't be any good.
>
>Carl Christensen Philadelphia, PA USA
>E-mail: ca...@navpoint.com Web: http://www.navpoint.com/~carl
I've met Robben Ford on three occasions, and found him to be a genuinely
nice guy....
Nicholas Delonas
mws...@aol.comQQQ says...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
>
> Suppose a great athlete was exposed as a monster. Should they let him keep his
> Heismann Trophy?
>
Here's another question: should we still like and admire him?
Odd, but I have to admit that my opinion of O.J. changed quite a lot
after he murdered his wife.
--
Nicholas Delonas
Cult V
http://www.cultv.com
Nicholas Delonas
says...
> I've seen that label attributed to Andres Segovia, check old Dejanews
> articles for rm.classical.guitar for a ref. And yes, I think that's
> about as dumb to hold against his playing as it would be to not hold
> Samuel Clemens/Mark Twain in high regard because he used the "n" word,
> or Christopher Marlowe & William Shakespeare for their anti-semitic
> writings, or Benjamin Franklin because he wanted to use big English
> bull mastiff dogs to hunt out and kill Indians. One or a few
> indiscretions do not invalidate an artists corpus.
I agree with that, and I'm quick to defend people like Martin Luther
King. I don't actually know if he was a womanizer, but even if that's
true, it alone doesn't invalidate all the rest of what he did in his
remarkable life. I do believe one should consider the whole person.
> Because your assessment of the artists personality or behavior is from
> third-hand sources or hearsay. Also what's a crime today is something
> that everybody does tomorrow (and vice versa) so morals and mores
> change. Can you not appreciate ancient cave paintings because you're
> worried that the caveman may have used a big club to beat his women
> over the head?
If you think I'm politically correct, you've got *way* the wrong guy.
However, this idea that an artist as a person in no way should affect how
people feel about their art is pretty Quixotic. It completely disregards
human psychology and the tendency to associate feelings with music.
Furthermore, most Western artists try very hard to get that association
of their art with themselves. How many Occidental performers fail to
sign their work for example? In the East, for a long time, signing a
great work of art was not common. Here, it is universal.
If artists didn't want their personality associated with their art, why
is it that I see so many posters of performers hanging in music shops,
clubs, and colleges?
You do realize that this tendency to associate artists and their art
definitely does exist, right? Did Sinead O'Connor help her career when
she tore up a picture of the Pope? Right or wrong, people in this
culture do couple an artist with his or her work.
Now when a normal person despises an artist as a person, it puts them
into a mood that is hardly conducive to a good listening experience. If
the school-yard bully who terrorized my friends and me as kids were to
put out a jazz CD (boy would I be surprised), I doubt I'd be able to
enjoy it. Just being reminded of him would put me into the wrong state
of mind.
Music is merely entertainment IMHO, so I don't have unending admiration
for a person simply because they've mastered their instrument. Also,
it's not like I don't have enough music in my CD rack. If I'm watching
TV and some musician comes on and really turns me off with his attitude
or for whatever reason (which almost never happens BTW), then there's a
chance I'll stop listening to them. It's not like I don't have plenty of
other good choices. No one person's music is so important that I simply
must listen to it.
You may think this is irrational, but it's certainly quite normal and
thoroughly common. I've heard many guitarists cite the infamous Yngwie
interview over the years as a reason they stopped listening to him. (At
least one of them was about as fast a player too, BTW.)
I'm quite sure that countless people who behave this way have IQs well
into the right tail of the curve. So "dumb" is the wrong word. It seems
to be more of a moral issue with you anyway.
Personally, I think the notion of objectivity about the quality of music
is a farce. No one is objective. Since there is no objectivity, then
who's to say what is the right or wrong reason to like a particular
artist?
Now practically speaking, there may well be guitarists in this newsgroup
who will become stars. Maybe you'll be one of them. Who knows? Why
not?
There certainly are some extraordinarily good players in here after all.
If in a moment of reflection any of these exciting players realize that
they're hot tempered and misanthropic, I dare say that avoiding
interviews on the way up the ladder would be a *very* good long-term
career move.
FWIW, I do own a Malmsteen CD. I definitely don't like it,
all personality issues aside. And yes, it does sound like a bunch of ego
riffs to me.
That, much more than anything I've heard about him, keeps me from buying
any more. If I were visiting a guitarist friend and he wanted me to hear
an Yngwie CD, it's not like I'd jump up and yell, "No, not him!" I'd
gladly listen. So let's keep some perspective here.
Finally, if you're saying that Yngwie really isn't an arrogant egomaniac
after all, I'm very glad to hear it. Shame about those interviewers!
So far I still don't like his playing much and the fact that it's
amazingly hard to do what he does doesn't impress me. Since when does
difficulty have anything to do with anything in music?
Is Yngwie Malmsteen a better musician than Paul McCartney? Not in my
book. Not by a long shot.
STRATQUEEN
<<Suppose a great athlete was exposed as a monster. Should they let him keep
his
Heismann Trophy?>>
I don't know the criteria for the award being granted. If part of it is moral
character, then the trophy should be recalled. OJ's is still missing, right?
--Sharon
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/STRATQUEEN/index.html">Stratqueen's Page</A>
Steve Sklar
Steve
MWS2468 wrote:
>
> x-no-archive: yes
STRATQUEEN
In article
<52E57E528E77D9D7.A6A25513...@library-proxy.airnews.net>,
back...@netexpress.net (Keyser Soze) writes:
>On 9 Jan 1999 10:29:56 GMT, carlg...@aol.com (Carlginger) wrote:
>
>>The funniest shit is when he was arrested for allegedly beating his
>>wife/girlfriend.
>
> He's a bona fide alcoholic. And I've heard more than one
>story of his drinking bringing him to violent tendencies.
>
>>He looked like a bloated whale in spandex!!!
>
> LOL!
Is that what happened to Jimmy Page??? GOD, he looks awful!
Carlginger
> 2. I'd like to see Yngwie's score. I'd like to know just how
>much real orchestration arranging went on. Or did his "orchestra"
>simply play the Jens Johansen part?
>
>
Well, I got Uli Roth playing with an orchestra on video and he played the
orchestra's parts. Incredible guitar player.
Carl
Chris Smart
Mic Cullen (nos...@cross.com.au) wrote:
: mike-ops@nospams!.uiuc.edu (Mike Pritchard), far, far away from here,
: appears to have written:
: have a good one,
: Stevie DejaToobjerkFAQNaziMiŠ
--
____________________________________________________________
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"Laughter is the only tenable attitude in a universe which is a joke played
upon itself"(Peter J. Carroll).
____________________________________________________________
Andrew P. Mullhaupt
JCM900 wrote in message <36970B...@mauimail.com>...
>John Huff wrote:
>>
>> Speaking of Yngwie, I was watching a friend's copy of his instructional
>> vid.
>who puts out the funniest instructional videos for guitar?
It might not be the funniest, but the part where Albert Collins explains how
to pull faces onstage during licks is pretty good.
Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
Carlginger
> Right on! Can you recommend a record for the Uli Roth newbie?
>
>
>
>Backcrkr
Scorpians "Tokyo Tapes"
Best Uli I ever heard.
His solo shit is out in space.
Carl
SEFSTRAT
>> vid.
> Thanks for a great idea for a new thread. So guitar folks,
>who puts out the funniest instructional videos for guitar?>>
Brent Masson's...unintentionally!
What a player. And what a 'good ole boy', too.
Example: "We like to do this one when we're in D, cus'.....uh....it sounds
cool".
And other equally useless comments....
Steve
SEFSTRAT
(remove "nospam" from address for return email)
JCM900
>
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On 9 Jan 1999 17:52:05 GMT, carlg...@aol.com (Carlginger) wrote:
>
> >Well, I got Uli Roth playing with an orchestra on video and he played the
> >orchestra's parts. Incredible guitar player.
>
Uli's 1980 release Firewind was a clasic. Awesome guitar work.
Its only flaw is tha Uli sings on it.
Carl Christensen
>I've met Robben Ford on three occasions, and found him to be a genuinely
>nice guy....
I'm sure he is and 9 times out of 10 that's true, but I know someone
who met him as a devoted fan and he blew him off. The point is all
artists have their high's and low's and it doesn't detract from their
music.
Carl Christensen
Delonas) wrote:
>Here's another question: should we still like and admire him?
>Odd, but I have to admit that my opinion of O.J. changed quite a lot
>after he murdered his wife.
My personal opinion on him sure changed but it didn't change his stats
in the record books any more than a musician's tracks mysteriously
change and suck when it turns out he's an asshole (or appears so in an
interview). I listen to a hell of a lot of music I don't agree with
(e.g. "Christian guitarists" such as Doyle Dykes & Phil Keaggy), and
many of my heroes hold views that are probably opposite of mine. I
hear Chet Atkins is a good friend of the Republican party for example.
While it turns my stomach to think of him playing at the Convention in
front of all the hypocrites & homophobes, it doesn't make me like his
playing any less.
There's a jazz guitarist in Philly named Monette Sudler who killed
someone while drunk driving. She went to the slammer and is now out
and gigging again. Is she all of a sudden bad to listen to now
because of that? People on the Philly jazz scene still seem to
support her and not hold it against her although to most people it's
morally reprehensible what she did.
If you would refuse to listen to her CD for this it becomes more your
fault for dismissing music that doesn't fit in with your world view
than the artist's fault for their actions. I'm not saying that you're
trying to be "politically correct" in this (and I'm not trying to
start a flame-war either); but the art is separate from the
individual's temperament.
The only thing I can think of is people that are dissing Yngwie for
his attitude are just using it as an excuse that they don't like his
music (or can't play it).
Carl Christensen
Soze) wrote:
>>Odd, but I have to admit that my opinion of O.J. changed quite a lot
>>after he murdered his wife.
>
http://leadbelly.lanl.gov/leadbelly.html
The well-respected blues artist Huddie "Leadbelly" Leadbetter killed
a man and got out of jail by writing a nice song for the governor. So
don't listen to any of his stuff after the murder (which is most of
what's left)!
So does Leadbelly suck now that you know this? Well, somebody must
like him since the US Postal Service issued a stamp with him on it
last year in a folk musicians set with Woody Guthrie, Sonny Terry, and
Josh White. It's a good thing they weren't listening to rmmg!
http://www.usps.gov/images/stamps/98/folksin.htm
r27...@my-dejanews.com
JCM900@mauimail..com wrote:
> Something just occurred to me. Yngwie Malmsteen got in a serious
> car accident(wrapped his Ferrari around a lamp post) between his
> second album Marching Out and his third album Trilogy. Supposedly
> he suffered some nerve damage in the accident. Interestingly enough
> while all his work prior to the accident was quite spectacular,
> everything he's done since then has been quite mediocre. You don't
> suppose brain damage is to blame. Just think, if Yngwie had gotten
> killed, he would have been enshrined with the other guitar gods,
> Jimi, Randy, Duane and Stevie Ray. Instead he survived to slip into
> mediocrity, releasing so many bad albums his reputation
> went to pot.
>
First of all Yngwie had the excessively good taste to have his accident in a
Jag XKE. After that it was several months before he started to play again.
Although it is somewhat objective (at least part of it) his playing gradually
returned to form. In that time period the context of music shifted. Like
Gloria Swanson in "Sunset Boulevard"...William Holden says "I remember you,
you used to be a big star" Gloria Swanson "I'm still big, it's the pictures
that got small". Neoclassical Metal isn't what most guitarists today want to
play, but it can't be denied that Yngwie is one of the most influential
guitarists of all time. He still plays some amazing hyperspeed arpeggios
today too, it's just that 50 billion other guitarists that followed his lead
played them too until the context shifted to grunge, blues or whatever.
--
Robert Adams
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Nicholas Delonas
says...
> While it turns my stomach to think of him playing at the Convention in
> front of all the hypocrites & homophobes, it doesn't make me like his
> playing any less.
I am not a Republican nor a fan of the party, but not all of them are
hypocrites and homophobes any more than all Democrats are economic
morons. Sometimes it just seems that way.
> If you would refuse to listen to her CD for this it becomes more your
> fault for dismissing music that doesn't fit in with your world view
Someone would have to do something *really, really* bad before I'd refuse
to listen to their music. Being an arrogant SOB doesn't rise to that
level, but as someone else said, it's icing on the cake.
Disliking a person simply colors how I feel about the music. And yes, if
I really disliked an artist, I wouldn't buy their music no matter how
good they were. There are just too many great artists out there that I
don't dislike.
In fact, I could count all the musicians I dislike that much on one hand
with plenty of fingers to spare.
> than the artist's fault for their actions. I'm not saying that you're
> trying to be "politically correct" in this (and I'm not trying to
> start a flame-war either); but the art is separate from the
> individual's temperament.
I tend to disagree. If the art is good, the temperament comes through
anyway.
When I was at Berklee, we'd often sit around and talk about this hot
guitarist and that one. There was one local guy in particular -- who
shall remain nameless -- who a lot of guys were talking about at the
time. He had amazing chops.
One day a classmate came over and slapped on a tape he obtained of this
guy. He and I sat there and were just bowled over by this fellow's
playing. Another friend of mine was sitting there. A non musician, he
looked at us both and said dryly, "this music makes me feel like going
out and punching someone in the head."
His sarcasm was interesting in retrospect. Some time later I befriended
a bass player who had played with the guitarist in question. It turns
out the guitarist was one hell of a mean SOB -- I mean, a real asshole.
He couldn't keep a band together because nobody could stand working with
him for very long.
While being bowled over by how fast and clean he was, I failed to notice
the feeling that came through in this guys music. That meanness showed
up clear as day, but only the non-musician who doesn't give a rat's ass
about chops noticed it that day.
I like to think that now I would notice too.
> The only thing I can think of is people that are dissing Yngwie for
> his attitude are just using it as an excuse that they don't like his
> music (or can't play it).
I can't play it. I also don't like what I've heard so far, which is
only one CD. One fact has nothing to do with the other. I can't play
like Pat Metheny either, yet I love his music. Ditto on John McLaughlin
and a lot of other great players.
How would I react if I found out that Pat Metheny was a despicable
asshole? Well, I guess I'd be pretty disappointed. Would it change the
way I feel about his music? I don't know. It'd depend on how bad an
asshole he was I guess.
Now if O.J. Simpson was a musician, I'm quite sure I'd never buy a CD
from him again. What he did, crosses the line.
Call me whacky.
Of course if he seemed truly repentant, that might change things. His
utter lack of regret makes it all the worse.
(Also, I don't think I've dissed Yngwie unless saying you don't like
someone's playing is dissing.)
Jonathan Krogh
r27...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <778q6c$6s4$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
I thought he was brain damaged all along...
surely those hyperspeed arpeggios are a result of a repetitive tic
Michael A. Abbaticchio
> Too bad his sorry ass *didn't* die. He sucks as a guitar player. Always
> has. Same classical shit over and over. His ego doesn't help any. Try
> listening to REAL players like Vai, Tipton or (insert name).
> -DC
>
> Chip of Known Space wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:41:51 -0800, JCM900 <JCM...@mauimail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >everything he's done since then has been quite mediocre. You don't
> > >suppose brain damage is to blame. Just think, if Yngwie had gotten
> > >killed, he would have been enshrined with the other guitar gods,
> >
> > He couldn't have gotten killed! Don't you know, he *is* the Demon
> > Driver, yes *the* Demon Driver. He said so.
> >
> > Chip McDonald
> > ]]] Chip McDonald - ch...@mindspring.com
> > ]]] "Try to be reasonable whenever possible"
> > ]]] http://www.mindspring.com/~chipm/chip.htm
> > ]]] Musician, voracious reader, overly contemplative thinker, punching bag for fate.
> > ]]] "People think I'm in my own world; that's ok, they know me there" - J. Hodgson
Sounds like you just don't like him personally. His playing is remarkable regardless of
his attitude.
--
Michael A. Abbaticchio
abba...@mindspring.com
Michael A. Abbaticchio
> The one live interview I saw he was gushing
> praise for Hendrix and Ritchie Blackmore.
Kinda funny. I read an interview with Blackmore where Blackmore trashed
him in two sentences.
Michael A. Abbaticchio
Jimmy Page was always bloated. Now he is old and bloated.
Michael A. Abbaticchio
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On 09 Jan 1999 17:35:18 GMT, strat...@aol.comNOSPAM (STRATQUEEN)
> wrote:
>
> >Is that what happened to Jimmy Page???
>
> I think Pagey swapped the heroin for KFC.
Haa... Kinda reminds of the John Belushi skits where he portrayed Liz
Taylor, stuffing het face with chicken and choking up a chicken bone on
the old SNL.
>
>
> >GOD, he looks awful!
>
> Really? Except for gaining a few pounds (and thus shedding
> his long time skin and bones appearance), I didn't think he looked
> that bad last time I saw him on TV and/or in concert (1998).
>
He still looks better than most people his age. Even Keith Richards is
starting to catch up with his age group and actually looks not so bad as
he did, say 10 years ago.
>
> Backcrkr
> --
>
> When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.
> --Henny Youngman
Michael A. Abbaticchio
> >
> >Jimmy Page was always bloated. Now he is old and bloated.
> >
> >
> >
> Go look at any pic of him while Zep was going. You call an already
> skinny guy with a heroin habit bloated? Bonham got fat, but Page looked
> like he was starving.
>
> Daniel
Yea, but take a look at him on the cover of Zep 1. I think the heroin was
just temp anti-bloat for him.
~*Freebird*~
>
> 1. Recording with an orchestra is not rare at all. Gazillions
>of singers/songwriters have orchestral backdrops on their records.
>Neil Diamon, Barbara Streisand, etc........ Hell, even Puff Daddy /
>Jimmy Page on Saturday Night Live had an orchestral backup.
I hear Metallica is planning to record with an orchestra.
Rob
Dan Stanley
Keyser Soze wrote in message ...
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>On 09 Jan 1999 17:35:18 GMT, strat...@aol.comNOSPAM (STRATQUEEN)
>wrote:
>
>>Is that what happened to Jimmy Page???
>
> I think Pagey swapped the heroin for KFC.
>
>
> Really? Except for gaining a few pounds (and thus shedding
>his long time skin and bones appearance), I didn't think he looked
>that bad last time I saw him on TV and/or in concert (1998).
>
I agree, actually. I saw him in '98, and he was grinning, hopping around the
stage...looked full of piss and vinegar! Of course he IS 50+, and looks his
age in healthy, English way.
Dan
John Sheehy
>I pick on Yngwie because he actually wrote a song called "I am a viking,"
>and because he's got a funny name. It's all in good fun, although I have
>a feeling if I did it to his face he wouldn't take it that way.
He'd probably say we're jealous, and challenge us to guitar duels.
--
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John P Sheehy <jsh...@ix.netcom.com>
><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>><
John Huff
>>
>> He's a bona fide alcoholic. And I've heard more than one
>>story of his drinking bringing him to violent tendencies.
>>
>>>He looked like a bloated whale in spandex!!!
>>
>> LOL!
>
>
>Is that what happened to Jimmy Page??? GOD, he looks awful!
>
>--Sharon
Eh, around ten years (more?) of a steady whiskey/heroin diet.
Looks better now than when he weighed 90lbs.
Daniel
John Huff
Arngrim776
>I tend to disagree. If the art is good, the temperament comes through
>anyway.
I think there is truth to what you say, though I believe a musicians
personality is revealed more, for better or for worse, when he plays
jazz than in playing rock. I think it also has a lot to do with whether
he play set peices or improvises. Pieces that are meticulously worked
out beforehand can hide a lot, but improvisations reveal the
personality. An improvised solo is something like a handwritting
sample.
One thing I have noted from my own experience is that the
biggest jerks I've met in music all seemed to have one thing in
common. They all liked playing covers and copying the style of
other more recognized players. They seemed to have an aversion
for anything original. In contrast, some of the nicest musicians
I've met were also the most original. Perhaps there is some connection
between being a clone and being a creep.
Kjell Arngrim
STRATQUEEN
In article <77930d$o...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>, joh...@ix.netcom.com(John Huff)
writes:
>Go look at any pic of him while Zep was going. You call an already
>skinny guy with a heroin habit bloated? Bonham got fat, but Page looked
>like he was starving.
No, I'm talking about him and Puffy Combs in the Godzilla video, and a live
performance on Leno, or whatever the hell it was. He looked like his liver was
about to explode.
John Huff
strat...@aol.comNOSPAM (STRATQUEEN) writes:
>
>
>In article <77930d$o...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>,
joh...@ix.netcom.com(John Huff)
>writes:
>
>>Go look at any pic of him while Zep was going. You call an already
>>skinny guy with a heroin habit bloated? Bonham got fat, but Page
looked
>>like he was starving.
>
>No, I'm talking about him and Puffy Combs in the Godzilla video, and a
live
>performance on Leno, or whatever the hell it was. He looked like his
liver was
>about to explode.
>
I know what you are talking about, the conversation took a turn. He
does look better now though, IMO. Doesn't look out of the ordinary for
his age, especially considering how he treated himself for so long.
Live, he still has alot of energy-even if he isn't all the player he
once was.
Daniel
Chip of Known Space
<abba...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> > He couldn't have gotten killed! Don't you know, he *is* the Demon
>> > Driver, yes *the* Demon Driver. He said so.
>Sounds like you just don't like him personally. His playing is remarkable regardless of
>his attitude.
I don't know him personally so I can't say. But I *can* say he writes
silly lyrics, regardless of his brilliance on the guitar.
Michael A. Abbaticchio
Agreed. He'd be better off putting out more instrumental material. His lyrics are strange,
and most of his singers are bad.
Chip of Known Space
Soze) wrote:
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>On 9 Jan 1999 10:29:56 GMT, carlg...@aol.com (Carlginger) wrote:
>
>>The funniest shit is when he was arrested for allegedly beating his
>>wife/girlfriend.
> He's a bona fide alcoholic. And I've heard more than one
>story of his drinking bringing him to violent tendencies.
I would not be surprised if substance abuse doesn't have alot to do
with his "character". I know alot of people who are perfectly
pleasant and amiable when sober, but invoke something of a Mr. Hyde
routine when drunk.
Not only that, but interviewers also have been known to "take
advantage" at times; he may have thought he was off the record at
times when he was being candid.
Chip of Known Space
(actually, if I recall he's got a pretty good sense of humor
anyhow)...
But the George Lynch video is the best.
GEORGE: "ok.. this next lick is sort of what I do for bends.."
(George does a bend; proceeds to play alot of notes very fast)
GEORGE: "ok... this next lick is a tapping thing I like.."
(George taps a few notes; then proceeds to play alot of notes very
fast (not tapped.....))
GEORGE: "ok... this is a phrase I like to do sometimes..."
(George plays a phrase, proceeds to play alot of notes very fast (sans
said phrase..)
It's pretty funny, not very "instructional", but what you would expect
from Lynch..<g>
MWS2468
hundred years ago. Bassist Bunny Brunuel (sp?) was on stage:
"With this EQ I can play very aggresive, but with clarity." He played a very
fast, monstrous riff covering about two octaves.
"And when I want to get mellow I turn on the chorus." He turns on the chorus,
and plays the exact same riff.
--
make mine Fender
Lester Long
asks, "Albert, that was great. Can you show us how to play that?" So, Albert
replays the passage just a quick not speaking a word. Thanks.
In an attempt to bring the thread toward improvement in guitar playing, which
tapes do you all like best? My vote is the BB King trilogy. Very helpful.
Les
STRATQUEEN
In article <36984e45...@news.mindspring.com>, ch...@mindspring.com (Chip
of Known Space) writes:
>I would not be surprised if substance abuse doesn't have alot to do
>with his "character". I know alot of people who are perfectly
>pleasant and amiable when sober, but invoke something of a Mr. Hyde
>routine when drunk.
Ain't it the truth. I know several people like this, which is why I don't hang
around with many drinkers.
Nicholas Delonas
arngr...@aol.com says...
> One thing I have noted from my own experience is that the
> biggest jerks I've met in music all seemed to have one thing in
> common. They all liked playing covers and copying the style of
> other more recognized players. They seemed to have an aversion
> for anything original. In contrast, some of the nicest musicians
> I've met were also the most original. Perhaps there is some connection
> between being a clone and being a creep.
I agree about the improvisation, but I don't know about the creativity
part. I've known a couple of real dicks who were pretty damned creative.
I don't want to come off as an absolutist or anything. I have to admit
that I'm quite willing to put up with a difficult personality if it'll
help me sound better when playing my songs.
Steve Sklar
his fingers do shit that's impossible. That's funny.
Steve
Chip of Known Space wrote:
>
JCM900
arngr...@aol.com says...
> One thing I have noted from my own experience is that the
> biggest jerks I've met in music all seemed to have one thing in
> common. They all liked playing covers and copying the style of
> other more recognized players. They seemed to have an aversion
> for anything original. In contrast, some of the nicest musicians
> I've met were also the most original. Perhaps there is some connection
> > between being a clone and being a creep.
Supposedly the one thing sociopathic personalities do very well
is imitate or impersonate others so there may be something to what
you are saying. Of course not everyone that is difficult to get
along with is a sociopath. Sociopaths are supposed to be dead
emotionally. A lot of people are jerks because they have too much
emotion rather than too little(and thus not sociopaths).
>
Carl Christensen
>out beforehand can hide a lot, but improvisations reveal the
>personality. An improvised solo is something like a handwritting
>sample.
Give me a fucking break. Please document a list of musicians, their
personalities, and examples of where their personalities show through.
Face it, you guys are just making excuses of people that you're
jealous of or don't like. So rather than actually learning the guitar
or just saying "I don't like their music" you have to come up with
this pseudo-psychological bullshit of "their personality is revealed
in their music." Leonard Bernstein was gay, I suppose something like
that should show up in his music? I can only find one example, and he
didn't write the words "I feel pretty and witty and gay"
Carl Christensen
Soze) wrote:
> I'd like to know the whole story before I pass judgement. If
>he blew somebody's head off for no good reason, then Leadbelly is as
>much of a fucking asshole as O.J. Simpson. And if that be the case,
Then you're an idiot because he's a great and historically important
guitarist in the blues tradition, and you're just upset he doesn't fit
in with your pseudo-moralist white-boy world view.
> BFD about the stamp. Elvis got a stamp, and he raped his own
>wife. He's a rapist, and thus a pig.
Well, there's never been a chiropractor on a stamp so they must be
doing something right. So you hate Elvis now? Yeah, you Sigmund
Freud's of rmmg, you can really hear Elvis'
manic-depressive-wife-raping-peanut-butter-and-banana-sandwhich-eating
personality when you listen to "Love Me Tender."
>people's demonic tendencies. I'm not one of them. Mike Tyson, O.J.
>Simpson, Yngwie, etc.. Fuck them. Fuck them all in the ass with a big
>rubber dick.
Is this the kind of wit you use at the Pat Martino workshops?
STRATQUEEN
In article <3698E047...@tc.umn.edu>, Steve Sklar <skla...@tc.umn.edu>
writes:
>I've got a Holdswoth video where he explains stuff, and proceeds to make
>his fingers do shit that's impossible. That's funny.
>
I would love to see a close-up video of Tuck Andress demonstrating that KILLER
picking style of his. It took him 10 years to perfect it, and he is absolutely
amazing. SEF first told me about it.
Michael Collins
carlg...@aol.com connected the electrodes to his head, turned
on the power, and uttered this warning to humanity...
>
> He just recently recorded with an orchestra...how many guys have attempted
> this?
> Very few.
>
> Carl
>
Very few, fortunately. Paul McCartney, the Moody Blues, so it
does seem like only the brain damaged attempt it.
Mike C.
Steve Sklar
I've also been watching a Larry Coryell-John McLaughlin-Paco DeLucia
video lately. YOW! 3 different but amazing styles/techniques, with lots
of good hand shots.
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Carlginger
>Freud's of rmmg, you can really hear Elvis'
>manic-depressive-wife-raping-peanut-butter-and-banana-sandwhich-eating
>personality when you listen to "Love Me Tender."
Elvis shot his TV, now I can't listen tio him anymore!!!
Carl
Carlginger
>Give me a fucking break. Please document a list of musicians, their
>personalities, and examples of where their personalities show through.
>Face it, you guys are just making excuses of people that you're
>jealous of or don't like. So rather than actually learning the guitar
>or just saying "I don't like their music" you have to come up with
>this pseudo-psychological bullshit of "their personality is revealed
I agree, Carl. These dweebs have no confidence in their own abilities, so they
shit on somebody elses talents using anything but the guitar playing as an
excuse not to like them.
Carl
Jack A. Zucker
to my web page of some various unknown musicians and I want you guys to play
"profiler" and tell me what the personality characteristics are of these
folks. I'll publish the results publicly.
Fair enough ?
-Jaz