Cabinet emulator?
j...@jackzucker.com
What I want to do is go out of a Mesa Studio Preamp, into a Mackie
Mixer and then direct to digital.
Mostly interested in fender clean type eqing but I need fusionesque
tones too. A plus would be a device that allows me to tap off the
speaker output.
I know this is not optimal but it's what I have to work with...
Hogge
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Maybe a VST or DX plugin, if your digital platform allows it?
There are latency issues, but you can listen to your amplifier when
recording and apply the amp/speaker emulating effect after the fact.
/Hogge
John S. Shinal
>Mostly interested in fender clean type eqing but I need fusionesque
>tones too. A plus would be a device that allows me to tap off the
>speaker output.
>I know this is not optimal but it's what I have to work with...
ADA made one also - I see them on eBay every so often. I think
GrooveTubes had one also - fuzzy memory.
My personal opinion is that a quality EQ set so it resembles a
speaker response graph does fairly well, but might not be enough to
satisfy a demanding ear. I have gotten a plausible Greenback and
G12H-75 tone out of Celestion 10s by doing it, though. You'd want
something that doesn't introduce funky phase effects. The upside is
that it's tweakable. The downside is you're adding processing to the
signal chain.
Harry J
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I was able to get some pretty nice tones out of the red box years ago.
HJ
>
Jack Zucker
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Along those lines, the Native Instruments plug-ins sound great...
I'll probably try a redbox...
Jaz
Mondoslug1
I used Red Boxes for years, Palmer DI once & awhile now, had the ADA Micro Cab,
GE Speaker Emulator, Studio pre with Recording Outs, Sans amp P something
whatever it was rack mount, Rocktron Rack Interface with cab sim, etc etc etc.
NONE of it's as good a mic'd amp despite what you read & might conclude. None
of it. It's all the same shit & besides you're gonna love it this week & hate
it next but that's why we love you.
BTW Rainy Day was killer dewd
PRS GEEK
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> I used Red Boxes for years,
I used em live and still thought it sounded harsh and sterile compared to a
57 on the cab.
>. Palmer DI once & awhile now, had the ADA Micro Cab,
> GE Speaker Emulator, Studio pre with Recording Outs, Sans amp P something
> whatever it was rack mount, Rocktron Rack Interface with cab sim, etc etc
etc.
> NONE of it's as good a mic'd amp despite what you read & might conclude.
None
> of it. It's all the same shit & besides you're gonna love it this week &
hate
> it next but that's why we love you.
I've or tried to use most of those items above... Some live and some in the
studio. No matter what, clean OR distorted, the stuff still sounds direct to
ME. I can usually tell... That harsh high end with some buzz you just can't
dial out without killing the sound completely. To me, these direct boxes
(for geetrar) are akin to the piezo/acoustic guitar thing...
For MY $$$ I'd settle for the POD... The Fender sounds and the Marshall
sounds are it's strong suits IMO... The Vox AC 15 sounds decent as well. My
favorite clean sound out of that box IS the Black Face sound. At least the
POD has speaker emulation circuitry and you can actually choose the cab.
Yeah, it's just EQ, but they sound fine to me for desktop recording and not
spending a zillion $$$ doing the process of elimination.
Jeff
Mondoslug1
Yeah POD works for sure & it's easy. I think Jaz ain't a fan. It's all the
same as I say.
Jack Zucker
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> For MY $$$ I'd settle for the POD... The Fender sounds and the Marshall
> sounds are it's strong suits IMO... The Vox AC 15 sounds decent as well.
My
I thought the pod's fender tones were tinny and thin sounding.
The mesa studio pre already sounds better than the pod for direct recording
even without a cabinet emulator. I know it's a poor 2nd to mic'ing a cab but
that's what I've got to work with...
PRS GEEK
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>
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>
> > For MY $$$ I'd settle for the POD... The Fender sounds and the Marshall
> > sounds are it's strong suits IMO... The Vox AC 15 sounds decent as well.
> My
>
> I thought the pod's fender tones were tinny and thin sounding.
Must be you then...! J/K, bro... However, they sound fine to me Jack... Yer
not doing a record. For MY $$$, it would be a POD (et al) in your
situation. But I can live vicariously thru you spending all yer cash on
everything and reviewing it and deciding it's "just not there"... Dude...
You play guitar, write books and played all your life. You never settle...
You'll be on to something else. Later or something... At least get the
stoopid POD and KEEP it for a month or so... Dump it later, AFter you spend
spend thousands on direct devices, it'll still be there sounding better...
What about Amp Farm, eh???
> The mesa studio pre already sounds better than the pod for direct
recording
> even without a cabinet emulator. I know it's a poor 2nd to mic'ing a cab
but
> that's what I've got to work with...
Well, good luck with all that. Hope it brings you what you're looking for!
Jeff
Jack Zucker
> Must be you then...! J/K, bro...
I don't think so. Point me to a single example of good, clean fender tone
from a pod. The Vox blew the pod away for clean tone and in the end, it was
no great shakes either.
> However, they sound fine to me Jack... Yer
> not doing a record.
Yes I am. I'm doing a CD and a DVD. That's what this project is for...
Remember, I had a Pod, a Korg and the Vox for a week and did some
programming, recording, etc. The Pod was the weakest of the bunch. Not to
say you can't get some good tones out of it but for my style, a basic clean
fender tone is the starting point. The korg and Pod didn't have it. The vox
did though it didn't have the headroom so eventually I bagged it.
> stoopid POD and KEEP it for a month or so... Dump it later, AFter you
spend
> spend thousands on direct devices, it'll still be there sounding better...
I doubt it'll sound better than a Mesa Studio Preamp which is what I ended
up with. Andy Most reported that many sessions have been recorded in
nashville going direct with that.
Regarding amp farm and native instruments, I may eventually switch to a
non-computer based recording system so I don't want to have lots of software
solutions.
Jack Zucker
> For MY $$$ I'd settle for the POD... The Fender sounds and the Marshall
> sounds are it's strong suits IMO... The Vox AC 15 sounds decent as well.
My
> favorite clean sound out of that box IS the Black Face sound.
I re-read this and realized that we must have very different tastes. I'm not
trying to be confrontational. I respect your opinions. It's just that for
tone, it's so subjective. I plugged into the BF pod setting and thought it
sounded nothing like a clean fender. It's got an artifically boosted
presence, sounds like something around 4-5k to try to simulate the
brilliance you get with a bright switch on a fender but it didn't sound full
at all to me. I plugged in my strat and tried to get clucky strat tones and
it just wasn't happening. I plugged in my GB-10 and tried to get a Benson
tone but that wasn't there either. Additionally, I plugged in a TS-9 in
front of the BF emulation and the whole thing turned to mush.
PRS GEEK
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>
> > For MY $$$ I'd settle for the POD... The Fender sounds and the Marshall
> > sounds are it's strong suits IMO... The Vox AC 15 sounds decent as well.
> My
> > favorite clean sound out of that box IS the Black Face sound.
>
> I re-read this and realized that we must have very different tastes. I'm
not
> trying to be confrontational. I respect your opinions. It's just that for
> tone, it's so subjective.
s'OK Jack... We're just talking anyway. Opinions are like... Eh? Especially
mine.
> I plugged into the BF pod setting and thought it
> sounded nothing like a clean fender.
Well, I have a Deluxe Reverb RI and I've never really A/B'd them... But even
if they DON'T sound similar, I still like that sound and using my "memory"
they sounded similar in a ballpark kind of way. I also have an AC 15 and
felt they were similar as well, but me PERSonally, I use mics for most of my
sounds. However, there have been a few occasions I kept POD tracks cuz they
sounded good in the mix. IOW, I could live with the POD clean sounds if
forced, especially for the $$$...
AND, they DO use POD in Nashvegas a lot too... Andy was stating that a few
years ago, and you can still read that stuff in most recording mags. People
aren't shy about that stuff anymore.
> It's got an artifically boosted
> presence, sounds like something around 4-5k to try to simulate the
> brilliance you get with a bright switch on a fender but it didn't sound
full
> at all to me.
Yup... I agree about the 4-5 K boost. But my DR RI has that sort of sound as
well but I can soften it some by mic placement... But usually I like that
boost to cut through a little. If you're doing "solo guitar" I can see what
your saying tho...
> I plugged in my strat and tried to get clucky strat tones and
> it just wasn't happening.
Gotcha man...
> I plugged in my GB-10 and tried to get a Benson
> tone but that wasn't there either.
There too! Where's George when you need that guy!
> Additionally, I plugged in a TS-9 in
> front of the BF emulation and the whole thing turned to mush.
Yeah, them things don't sound right with pedals IMO...
Just curious... Why can't you mic again? Maybe I missed that... Cuz I missed
the CD/DVD part as well...
Personally, I would think that since you're doing a CD/DVD thing, you'd want
to get the best possible sound. You CAN do it at home. You can get DR RI's
all day for $450... They sound beautiful. And I'm sure you have a 57
somewhere in your arsenal.
I don't take your comments as "confrontational".. Yer just as picky as me,
IMO. I'm just comparing notes is all...
A good example of the the DR RI in a recording that I did is in a song
called "Anymore".... There's a sparse part in the tune that's just guitar,
bass drum and vox, but the guitar was a one mic set up with a G&L Legacy and
the DR RI, and it's the best clean tone I have ever recorded... There's 2
verses, then the bridge. It IS the bridge part. You'll know it when you hear
it. IMO, you can't get that sound by any direct device.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/jeffliberatoremusic.htm "Anymore"... the
bridge...
Jeff
Jack Zucker
Here's a couple clips I just recorded using the Mesa Preamp direct with no
cab emulator. Sounds pretty good to me. I'm sure with a little work, I can
do better too:
http://www.sheetsofsound.net/audio/mp3/jazzsolowank.mp3 (fuzoid)
http://www.sheetsofsound.net/audio/mp3/blues.mp3 (solo jazz guitar)
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Jack Zucker
http://www.sheetsofsound.net/audio/mp3/bluesfunk.mp3 (funk fuzoid)
http://www.sheetsofsound.net/audio/mp3/jazzsolowank.mp3 (solo jazz guitar)
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Phil Wilson
something like a THD HotPlate? It has a line-out that can be used for
recording.
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Phil Wilson wrote:
> Re: " allows me to tap off the speaker output.", have you looked at
> something like a THD HotPlate? It has a line-out that can be used for
> recording.
I've looked into it. The THD stuff is all great. They have no dogs in
their product line. However, at this point, I'm happy with the Mesa
Studio Pre. It seems relatively quiet and gives me clean recordings.
Michael
says...
to get two of them to find one I liked, and it took some tweaking
to get the DI sound I was after, but it works. It's not perfect,
but it's really close.
A good quality compressor, set for just a little extra sustain,
will help as well.
*MY* problem is that every bloody piece of equipment I like and
use is obsolete! If something breaks, I'm screwed...
---Michael...
Les Cargill
> "PRS GEEK" <no...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>>For MY $$$ I'd settle for the POD... The Fender sounds and the Marshall
>>sounds are it's strong suits IMO... The Vox AC 15 sounds decent as well.
>
> My
>
>>favorite clean sound out of that box IS the Black Face sound.
>
>
> I re-read this and realized that we must have very different tastes. I'm not
> trying to be confrontational. I respect your opinions. It's just that for
> tone, it's so subjective.
That's it in a nutshell. Youse guys are talking apples
and oranges, I betcha.
The PoD is close enough I could use it
myself, for a lot of cleanish Fender stuff. It's
still grainy - I wonder if it works bettwe
with better D/A converters...
> I plugged into the BF pod setting and thought it
> sounded nothing like a clean fender. It's got an artifically boosted
> presence, sounds like something around 4-5k to try to simulate the
> brilliance you get with a bright switch on a fender but it didn't sound full
> at all to me.
The danged thing about the Pod is you switch patches, and you have
to spend 15 minutes retweaking it. I think it has the ability to
store all that stuff, but I never figured it out.
In truth, I never put up a mix on one either - just fiddled with
it thru phones and a keyboard amp.
> I plugged in my strat and tried to get clucky strat tones and
> it just wasn't happening. I plugged in my GB-10 and tried to get a Benson
> tone but that wasn't there either. Additionally, I plugged in a TS-9 in
> front of the BF emulation and the whole thing turned to mush.
>
I can beleive that.
>
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Les Cargill
Mondoslug1
>up with. Andy Most reported that many sessions have been recorded in
>nashville going direct wi
There's a buttload of Pods in town also. lol.
Your Boogie clips sound very good tho. Playing especially.
Jack Zucker
Is the Pod pro any better than the desktop unit? I assume the pros use the
rack mount unit?
Harry J
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I tweaked the XT endlessly, I could not edit a tone to sound natural.
I tried it in various monitors, in amps... etc
I was able to get very good heavily distorted tones with some great effects,
but most of the tones that I would use were either thin or muffled to my
ear.
Perhaps I had a lemon?
Harry Jacobson
www.harryj.net
Jack Zucker
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> *MY* problem is that every bloody piece of equipment I like and
> use is obsolete! If something breaks, I'm screwed...
That's why I haven't run out and gotten a microcab. I found an H&K redbox
for $30 on ebay. I'll see if that works.
Mondoslug1
I don't know if the Pod pro is better..I never tried the XTThe Pro'sgot XLR
outs which was better for me. Really I only used a couple of tones in it - with
pedals was the key for me. I didn't care for the tweed sound at all. I just
used the Blackface & AC 15 sound. I didn't really find them thin. I'm with Jeff
on this. I am tired of the POD sound tho but all direct stuff in general also
really.
Jack Zucker
> I don't know if the Pod pro is better..I never tried the XTThe Pro'sgot
XLR
> outs which was better for me. Really I only used a couple of tones in it -
with
> pedals was the key for me. I didn't care for the tweed sound at all. I
just
> used the Blackface & AC 15 sound. I didn't really find them thin. I'm with
Jeff
> on this. I am tired of the POD sound tho but all direct stuff in general
also
> really.
OK, I'll defer to you and Jeff then. Maybe Jeff's right and I should have
kept it for longer than a week. The thing that bothered me was the
artificially brilliant presence. I guess that could be dialed down. Perhaps
if that weren't there I would have dug it more.
In any event, I'm hoping the Mesa Studio Pre works out. The only thing I
worry about there is RF noise from all the tubes but right now it seems very
quiet.
Harry J
Jack,
I suspect you will be able to get a nice tone with the red box, I was.
HJ
PRS GEEK
> "Mondoslug1" <mondo...@aol.comwaht> wrote in message
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>
> > I don't know if the Pod pro is better..I never tried the XTThe Pro'sgot
> XLR
> > outs which was better for me. Really I only used a couple of tones in
it -
> with
> > pedals was the key for me. I didn't care for the tweed sound at all. I
> just
> > used the Blackface & AC 15 sound. I didn't really find them thin. I'm
with
> Jeff
> > on this. I am tired of the POD sound tho but all direct stuff in general
> also
> > really.
>
> OK, I'll defer to you and Jeff then. Maybe Jeff's right and I should have
> kept it for longer than a week. The thing that bothered me was the
> artificially brilliant presence. I guess that could be dialed down.
Perhaps
> if that weren't there I would have dug it more.
I think one kewl thing about the POD is that you can choose your cabs. Maybe
with the 4x12 or something. 1x15? I just tried stuff till it sounded OK.
Even if it wasn't a cab one would expect to use. My thinking was, I'd rather
try the cab thing before I started the whole EQ tweak thing.
Still, no matter what you try to do the POD sounds compressed and there's no
way to really get rid of that sound in those things. So, I rarely really use
it but I'm not gonna sell it. It's a POD Pro. FYI, is the exact same
"models" as the kidney bean but in a convenient rack. Digital out's etc, XLR
too.
Thing is, the FX on POD are stereo. That's pretty cool in and of itself. I
would think if you're doinfg"solo guitar" you could use the stereo stuff to
your advantage and if not, you can feed the stereo outs to a higher quality
FX box.
> In any event, I'm hoping the Mesa Studio Pre works out. The only thing I
> worry about there is RF noise from all the tubes but right now it seems
very
> quiet.
I'm sure that thing is nice...
You never answered why you can't mic up a small amp. It it just a space and
volume issue? I must've missed some posts somewhere along the line.
Jeff
Jack Zucker
> You never answered why you can't mic up a small amp. It it just a space
and
> volume issue? I must've missed some posts somewhere along the line.
Yeah, it's a space, volume and proximity thing. My "studio" is 10 feet away
from the AC Compressor and the furnace. Additionally, the house has very old
wiring and any amp (particularly tube amps) pick up quite a bit of RF. For
some reason, the Boogie seems to be quiet in both channels. It must be a
well designed circuit board.
Eventually, I'd like to sound-proof the basement and I'm getting an
isolation transformer which should quiet down some of the RF. I actually
like the clean tones better from the boogie than what I'm able to get mic'd.
That may be my lack of technique though. I have a pair of SM57s, a Marshall
2001 and some other miscellaneous and sundry stuff but I've never been very
good at getting tones in the studio...
Jack Zucker
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> Jack,
> I suspect you will be able to get a nice tone with the red box, I was.
>
> HJ
Cool, thanks Harry. I'm still in awe of your recorded tone...
PRS GEEK
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>
>
> > You never answered why you can't mic up a small amp. It it just a space
> and
> > volume issue? I must've missed some posts somewhere along the line.
> Yeah, it's a space, volume and proximity thing. My "studio" is 10 feet
away
> from the AC Compressor and the furnace.
LOL... OK... That would cause some "issues"... I just didn't see it in any
other posts.
> Eventually, I'd like to sound-proof the basement and I'm getting an
> isolation transformer which should quiet down some of the RF. I actually
> like the clean tones better from the boogie than what I'm able to get
mic'd.
Awesome! That's all that matters anyway. My credo is "if it sounds good,
then it IS good".
> That may be my lack of technique though.
Not "playing" technique...
> I have a pair of SM57s, a Marshall
> 2001 and some other miscellaneous and sundry stuff but I've never been
very
> good at getting tones in the studio...
Some guys just don't want to mess with all that stuff cuz it's time
consuming and it's not really part of playing the guitar. In fact, MOST
guitar players that I have recorded (at my place) just want to get in,
record their parts and get out! If it's a really good player I like to get
the best sound I can for them. I think the biggest mistake people make is
they try to set their amps up like they do live. In my personal experience
you have to mess with the amp a bunch, and just when you get it to sound OK
with the mic, you look at the amp and go, "uhhhhh, I've never set my amp up
that way before"...
Wonder how yer Mesa thing would sound with a power amp and cab? That might
be fun to mess with sometime too.
Jeff
Mondoslug1
I gigged live for awhile with a Boogie Simulclass head loaded down into a rack
of stuff with a pair of Red Boxes and was pretty happy with it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
j...@jackzucker.com
> > Eventually, I'd like to sound-proof the basement and I'm getting an
> > isolation transformer which should quiet down some of the RF. I
actually
> > like the clean tones better from the boogie than what I'm able to
get
> mic'd.
>
> Awesome! That's all that matters anyway. My credo is "if it sounds
good,
> then it IS good".
But sometimes stuff sounds good to me and it sucks to everyone else!
:-)
>
> > That may be my lack of technique though.
>
> Not "playing" technique...
Recording technique.
> > I have a pair of SM57s, a Marshall
> > 2001 and some other miscellaneous and sundry stuff but I've never
been
> very
> > good at getting tones in the studio...
>
> Some guys just don't want to mess with all that stuff cuz it's time
> consuming and it's not really part of playing the guitar. In fact,
MOST
> guitar players that I have recorded (at my place) just want to get
in,
> record their parts and get out! If it's a really good player I like
to get
> the best sound I can for them. I think the biggest mistake people
make is
> they try to set their amps up like they do live. In my personal
experience
> you have to mess with the amp a bunch, and just when you get it to
sound OK
> with the mic, you look at the amp and go, "uhhhhh, I've never set my
amp up
> that way before"...
Very astute. You've just described my approach to recording! :-) That's
why I like the direct approach. No futzing around. Just plug-n-play.
Frankly, I'm willing to compromise the sound a little if it makes it
easier to just focus on the music. If I had more time, I'd do both.
> Wonder how yer Mesa thing would sound with a power amp and cab? That
might
> be fun to mess with sometime too.
Actually, I gigged for a while with a Mesa Studio Preamp going into a
Mesa 50/50 setup and into a pair of open back Mesa 1x12 cabs. It
sounded freakin' awesome. Very fender-like. This particular preamp's
distortion is a bit '80s sounding (based on the Mk II amps) but for
clean it was great. I also occasionally used the Studio Pre into an
Alesis RA-100 power amp and it sounded great in that environment as
well. The Mesa 50/50 was ridiculously heavy. That and the studio preamp
in a 4 space rack was almost 50 LBS. I remember doing a gig out in the
middle of a football field with no cart. Ugh....With my spinal issues,
I certainly couldn't do that now!
Jaz
PRS GEEK
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> PRS GEEK wrote:
> > Awesome! That's all that matters anyway. My credo is "if it sounds
> good,
> > then it IS good".
> But sometimes stuff sounds good to me and it sucks to everyone else!
> :-)
Yah mon... I'm there. But most folks don't really know. Most folks just
assume "that's the way it's supposed to sound"... Think of how many bands
just leave it up to engineer to get their sound only to find out down the
road they could have just moved a mic or something. Blind faith.
> > > That may be my lack of technique though.
> >
> > Not "playing" technique...
>
> Recording technique.
Just clarifying... Recording chops are just as hard as playing chops. Takes
about the same amount of time to figure out what to do when, and still, you
REALLY know till you try it.
> > they try to set their amps up like they do live. In my personal
>>experience
> > you have to mess with the amp a bunch, and just when you get it to
> sound OK
> > with the mic, you look at the amp and go, "uhhhhh, I've never set my
>> amp up
> Very astute. You've just described my approach to recording! :-) That's
> why I like the direct approach. No futzing around. Just plug-n-play.
> Frankly, I'm willing to compromise the sound a little if it makes it
> easier to just focus on the music. If I had more time, I'd do both.
Putting that mic up next to a speaker is like recording what your ear might
hear if you recorded with it instead. You hear the room when you just play
in your room. Most people don't get that part of it and ask "why doesn't it
sound right when I record it?"... To me, even a mic is a compromise to what
you hear in the room.
In your case, a guitar player who wants to get a good sound "fast" and as
effortlessly as possible, direct probably IS the best approach. For me, I
just like messing around with the mics almost as much as playing. But that
is SO counter productive, which really is what yer inferring in the 1st
place. Just lemme plug in and record it!!!!
> > Wonder how yer Mesa thing would sound with a power amp and cab? That
> might
> > be fun to mess with sometime too.
> Actually, I gigged for a while with a Mesa Studio Preamp going into a
> Mesa 50/50 setup and into a pair of open back Mesa 1x12 cabs. It
> sounded freakin' awesome. Very fender-like. This particular preamp's
> distortion is a bit '80s sounding (based on the Mk II amps) but for
> clean it was great. I also occasionally used the Studio Pre into an
> Alesis RA-100 power amp and it sounded great in that environment as
> well. The Mesa 50/50 was ridiculously heavy. That and the studio preamp
> in a 4 space rack was almost 50 LBS. I remember doing a gig out in the
> middle of a football field with no cart. Ugh....With my spinal issues,
> I certainly couldn't do that now!
I figured as much with the surgery and all... If I were to get something
like that, I like knowing I can use it for more stuff.
80's distortion from a Mesa...? Say it ain't so!
Jeff
Goldtop 71
Fender?
Just puzzles me.
Goldtop
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Jack Zucker
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> Why go to all the trouble to get a "Fender-like" sound and just get a
> Fender?
>
> Just puzzles me.
Try reading the thread. I need a direct recording setup.
Jack Zucker
> I figured as much with the surgery and all... If I were to get something
> like that, I like knowing I can use it for more stuff.
>
> 80's distortion from a Mesa...? Say it ain't so!
Did you hear this clip? Same Mesa preamp but using a Fulldrive into the
clean channel. A tad better and maybe better still once I get the redbox.
www.sheetsofsound.net/audio/mp3/sowhat.mp3
PRS GEEK
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Well... Listening on a pooter pretty much sucks but I just listened to it.
Sounds good with a pedal fer sure!
Jeff
Tom Kochie
I use a Koch load box and love it. You can hear some recordings I did
with it at the URL below...
j...@jackzucker.com wrote:
> I've heard mixed stuff about the H&K redbox and the Palmer DI stuff.
> What I want to do is go out of a Mesa Studio Preamp, into a Mackie
> Mixer and then direct to digital.
>
> Mostly interested in fender clean type eqing but I need fusionesque
> tones too. A plus would be a device that allows me to tap off the
> speaker output.
> I know this is not optimal but it's what I have to work with...
>