Played a Line 6 Duoverb
Jack A. Zucker
what they were going for. The Blackface, AC30 and Plexi were so awful I was
actually chuckling. They didn't even try to model the Superlead's
HUMONGO-clean tone which is where the plexi tone starts from and the BF amp
sounded like their impression of Fender was to add a bunch of upper end
brilliance.
The only sounds I enjoyed were teh Recto and Slo tones which ironically I've
never cared for in real life and have not heard enough to know whether they
"nailed" those tones but I suspect they weren't anywhere close.
This amp does have a neat feature in that it's stereo and you can layer
different amps together but it's just a gimmick. I wish they'd expend
engineering resources improving the actual modeling instead of adding these
sorts of gimmicks.
The guitarist in my stepson's band just bought this amp so over the course
of the next few weeks, I'll have more time to try it and see if it would
work as a jazz guitar amp in terms of headroom and smoothness...
David Eidelberg
flat. But a few guys on the Hamer Fan Club board bought them and they say
they're getting some nice tones from the amp. One of these guys is a pro in
L.A. who usually sessions with a Mesa Road King and the others are tube
heads. They told me that I need to go back and make sure the speaker
emulation switch is in the correct position. It's counter intuitive
actually. I tried the combo. You'd think the speaker emulation switch
should be set to off since you're using actual speakers. but no, you
actually have to put the switch on "open back". I'm going to go back and
try again. I might buy a head and try it for 30 days to see if I can do
anything with it. I'm a bit tired of lugging heavy tube amps...
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Jack A. Zucker
amp. Like anything else, your mileage may vary.
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Jeff Gross
The biggest problem Line6 and other modeling amps have is that they come
with too many effects 'on' from the factory. They're trying to sell them
to kids in music stores and they should just set them dry and let people
know just how good they really are when set up right (not that they
really are from the factory). I've reprogrammed my AX2's (I have 2 of
them) quite a bit and now have a ton of sounds that just kill.
On one recording for a recent TV show we did, a jazz guy played a newer
Gibson ES through my amp using the Bassman model and he was shocked how
good it sounded. Real 'saggy' just like it's supposed to be with just a
little growl and a real round clean tone. People at the taping asked him
what equipment he was using and one engineer refused to believe it was
just 'hands-guitar-cord-Line6'. He actually told the player 'Nope, you
must have plugged into the Fender amp' - I know he was through my Line6
because I plugged him in myself and stood right there next to the amp
listening to him playing (killer jazz guitarist, by the way). That's NOT
a factory patch, it's one I reprogrammed (like almost all of them). The
factory Bassman setting sounds like it's under water to my ears, so I
completely re-did it.
Try the amp again with no effects on it and no cabinet sim. I prefer no
cabinet sim because my AX2's actualy have really decent speakers that
sound a lot better without the cab sims turned on. I know it's almost
too obvious to say, but once you turn all the extra stuff off, all the
tone controls work like they are supposed to in the 'original' amp. Some
amp models also have extra 'non-stock' controls like gain that weren't
on the original amp. You'll have to read the manual to figure out where
to set that stuff to get a more factory-original sound out of the amp.
Personally, I HATE the way most other people's modeling amps sound and
that includes Line6, Johnson's and everything else I've ever heard or
played through. Too many 'swirly-girly' effects, no decent clean tones
(they all seem to BARK at you instead of sing) and squishy overdrives.
Yech! The thing about modeling amps is that you MUST read the manual
before you even plug into them or you'll never know how to use it right.
For example, the master gain on a Line6 is to match the amp's input to
your guitar pickup's output voltage, not to set your overall 'drive'.
Set it wrong and you'll never get it to work (or sound) right. Also,
lose the noise reduction on most settings. I find it WAY too agressive
even when it's set as low as it will go. I use it in the studio, but not
onstage.
One guy I know who does an open jam around here uses a POD Pro that (to
me) sounds like stool on a stick. He let me program one bank of 4 sounds
during a break, and he's been using those sounds ever since - and he's
had that thing for a couple years. You'd think he'd R.T.F.M. by now.
Good luck,
- Jeff G
http://dirty-ernie.com
Lord Valve
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You'll go through the same learning curve everyone else
has - tweak, tweak, tweak, get it sounding pretty good
in your living room, take it to the gig - totally bogus. Back
to the woodshed, tweak, tweak, tweak, try it on the stand
again. Sounds like poo (again). Put it on e-bay and buy
a good tube rig with the money. End of story. Line 6 should
stick to time-based effects, that's what they are good at.
Amp modeling is bogus...so far. I'm gonna go hear the
GOOD stuff tonight - DT and the boys comped me in for
the show at Boulder Theater (Colorado) and I'll be listening
to the real thing - a couple of BFSRs (LV tweaked, of course)
and an early 70s SVT (likewise) will get the job done, no
digital slime, thank you. This'll also be my first chance to
get some artist feedback on my custom Super Six that
Derek's been using with the Allman Brothers - word is
he loves it, but there ain't nothin' like a little eyeball
contact to make sure. I'll post a review to AGA later
tonight or tomorrow morning.
BTW, Jaz - I still have that Music Man 110-50 (or was it
a 110-65...?) if you're interested. I now have two different
speakers to try out in it - a Celestion TruVox (conventional
magnet, still fairly light) and one of the new Eminence
DeltaLite tens, with a neodymium magnet. (Weighs almost
nothing, so I've heard - it should arrive from the distributor
early next week, and then I can listen to both of 'em.)
I'll let ya know...
Lord Valve
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>
>The biggest problem Line6 and other modeling amps have is that they come
>with too many effects 'on' from the factory
I was under the impression that the DuoVerb is fairly stripped down
effects-wise compared to their other amps. It's being hyped as a tone monster.
Steve
Odin
"Jack A. Zucker" <j...@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
> First impression - It's awful. None of the amp models sounded anything
like
> what they were going for.
Yep. I spent an hour with one a few weeks ago because the local GC was
selling them for 50% off. I couldn't get a single "good" sound out of it,
mediocre at best. And it had that "I'm gonna be lost in the mix" quality
about it, unlike a good tube amp. I was sadly disappointed.
jimb...@cox.net
Out of curiosity who is this killer jazz guitar player? Where in the
U.S. are you located? Jim in San Diego
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Gtski
"Lord Valve" <LORD_...@prodigy.net> wrote >
(snip for length)
BTW... LV, is TULAGIs still there... ? ? ?
There was hardly a better venue ANYWHERE...! ! I saw SO many
great acts there... buying my pitcher of 3.2 and getting lessons
on how the guitar is SUPPOSED to be played.... :-)
It was late in the game... around 75-76 that I got to play the place...
our band got booked in for a one-nighter and we only agreed to
the gig to say we'd played there..
(sigh)....
Just curious...
gtski
ps- I'll be in Denver in a couple weeks... will stop in with my
order... save the shipping. :-|
David Eidelberg
> effects-wise compared to their other amps. It's being hyped as a tone
monster.
>
> Steve
Yes, Reverb only. Wah if you drop the big bux on the shortboard.
David Eidelberg
speaker sim set to "open" and there was a huge improvement. However, I
still don't know. It certainly didn't jump out and grab my ears. I also
can't understand why they made the thing so HUGE.
I tried the head through a Line6 4x12 and set the cab sim to "closed."
Sounded better than the combo. But I'm still not sure. Would be good for a
gig where we wanted everything direct to p.a. or if I needed sounds at
volumes where even small tube amps don't warm up. I didn't buy one, but I'm
going back tomorrow with some possible trades. That would give me 30 days
to give it a go.
I did gig last night with a Johnson JM60 because we were in a huge room for
a corporate party and I wanted a big stereo spread (we don't mike my amp).
The amp sounded ok at best on a clean patch with only reverb. Wide stereo
chorus sounded warmer, but I don't want effects on most songs. The amp
sucked rocks with pedals. Best used for fooling around at home.
Typically I gig with a Vox AC15 or something else small on the corporate /
wedding gigs.
Tonight I'll play a bar with my Rivera M100 head into a Marshall 1936 cab
with V30s and a bunch of pedals. That rig kicks.
J. Vincent Collins
In regards to the SVT you mentioned in your post, what tips besides
blueprinting it (motor terminology for you guys in Rio Linda), multi turn
pots (bias,balance), verifying secondary output impedance (some were changed
to allow less power to the speakers), what other deep secrets can you
impart to the group concerning maintaing the SVT?
Also is there a source for the preamp to amplifier feed wire, attached to
the molex plug, the coax type wire constructed with a single solid
conductor in place of the braided conductor? I just came across a couple of
basket cases and found out this wire is very susceptible to line hum as it
runs alongside the AC in the harness? i.e.: you can't use RG-137.
Thanks for the tubes and the info concerning 7581A replacements we discussed
last nite!
Any tips appreciated,
J. Vincent Collins
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Jeff Gross
The jazz player's name is Phil Tyrrell and he's a member of the
Janesville Symphony Orchestra (as a string player - viola I think).
jimb...@cox.net wrote:
> Jeff,
>
> Out of curiosity who is this killer jazz guitar player? Where in the
> U.S. are you located? Jim in San Diego
> "Jeff Gross" <jeff...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> <<snip>>
Jeff Gross
Lord Valve wrote:
> <<snip>> Back
> to the woodshed, tweak, tweak, tweak, try it on the stand
> again. Sounds like poo (again). Put it on e-bay and buy
> a good tube rig with the money. End of story. Line 6 should
> stick to time-based effects, that's what they are good at.
> Amp modeling is bogus...so far. I'm gonna go hear the<<snip>>
I'm sure you're not foolish enough to believe that all anyone has to do
to get good tone is to buy a tube amp. That's almost what your post
sounds like. I've heard, used & owned some great tube amps over the last
30 years (still have a couple), but I've had some real stinky sounding
tube amps as well that were 'supposed to' sound like manna from heaven.
I'm also sure that your being in the business of selling tubes doesn't
color your opinion one bit. ;)
Cheers,
jimb...@cox.net
You lived in Southern Calif.? Believe you ain't missing much with the
current business climate. It sucks big time. I'm a general dentist who is
selling his practice here in San Diego and moving up to Washington State.
Jim
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Jack A. Zucker
It wasn't a good jazz amp though maybe there's a few patches that'll work.
In terms of a jazz amp, the $350 Peavey Bandit smokes it.
Jaz
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Jack A. Zucker
> I'm sure you're not foolish enough to believe that all anyone has to do
> to get good tone is to buy a tube amp.
Jeff,
Lord Valve is very knowledgeable and anything but foolish. He knows amps and
he knows tone. I find that most of his gear opinions are right on.
Jack A. Zucker
> Hi,
>
> The biggest problem Line6 and other modeling amps have is that they come
> with too many effects 'on' from the factory. They're trying to sell them
> to kids in music stores and they should just set them dry and let people
> know just how good they really are when set up right (not that they
> really are from the factory). I've reprogrammed my AX2's (I have 2 of
> them) quite a bit and now have a ton of sounds that just kill.
The only "effect" the duoverb has is reverb. That wasn't the issue here. Bad
tone is ...
Lord Valve
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>
> "Lord Valve" <LORD_...@prodigy.net> wrote >
>
> (snip for length)
>
> BTW... LV, is TULAGIs still there... ? ? ?
LV
§c©©t§!
> I was under the impression that the DuoVerb is fairly stripped down
> effects-wise compared to their other amps. It's being hyped as a tone monster.
>
> Steve
LOL
hype..
heh heheh
i'm waiting for some amp to be hyped as a 'cookie' monster
;)
now *that* i might actually break down & buy!
§
Lord Valve
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> Willie,
>
> In regards to the SVT you mentioned in your post, what tips besides
> blueprinting it (motor terminology for you guys in Rio Linda), multi turn
> pots (bias,balance),
drifting by applying some Vibra-Tite to the shafts when you're finished
setting them. (I *have* put in multi-turns on other ones, though.)
Vibra-Tite
is a thick red-colored threadlocking compound; you may see it on head
adjustment screws if you do any tapedeck servicing.
> verifying secondary output impedance (some were changed
> to allow less power to the speakers),
This one's about a '72, it seems to be just fine.
> what other deep secrets can you
> impart to the group concerning maintaing the SVT?
I re-soldered *everything* on both PCBs.
> Also is there a source for the preamp to amplifier feed wire, attached to
> the molex plug, the coax type wire constructed with a single solid
> conductor in place of the braided conductor? I just came across a couple
of
> basket cases and found out this wire is very susceptible to line hum as it
> runs alongside the AC in the harness? i.e.: you can't use RG-137.
I use regular foil-shielded cable, I believe it's Belden 8451. It's
two-conductor
shielded, but I just tie one of 'em to the drain wire. Seems to work fine -
HOWEVER - the Molex itself is the problem area, since it's not shielded
at all. What I've been doing is wrapping the Molex with some heavy "broiler
foil," piling it up around the Molex and then squeezing it into place,
taking
it about two inches up the cable bundle. Then, I drill a hole in the
chassis
next to the Molex, and run a #8 self-tapping sheetmetal screw into it, with
a washer under the head. Before I tighten it all the way down, I wrap a
piece of 18G plated buss wire around the screw, and then torque it tight
against the chassis. I cut the busswire to about a foot long, and then I
spiral-wrap it around the foil that's covering the Molex, nice and tight,
cutting off any excess when I reach the top of the foil about 2" up the
cable bundle. The buss wire is nice and stiff, and it holds the foil in
place
and also grounds it. You'd be surprised what a difference this makes -
*I* certainly was. ;-) BTW, I didn't realize the DTB gig in Boulder was a
"fly-in;" with the exception of Derek's BFSR, his guitar, and Todd's
Precision bass, everything was supplied by one of the local backline
outfits. The SVT head they brought in was a fairly nice one, about
a '75 or so, but they only had a 115 bottom with it. It turned out it
wasn't needed all that much anyway, but you'll have to read my
review for the rest of the story. ;-)
>
> Thanks for the tubes and the info concerning 7581A replacements we
discussed
> last nite!
>
> Any tips appreciated,
No problemo. ;-)
Lord Valve
American
Lord Valve
>
>
> Lord Valve wrote:
> > <<snip>> Back
> > to the woodshed, tweak, tweak, tweak, try it on the stand
> > again. Sounds like poo (again). Put it on e-bay and buy
> > a good tube rig with the money. End of story. Line 6 should
> > stick to time-based effects, that's what they are good at.
> > Amp modeling is bogus...so far. I'm gonna go hear the<<snip>>
>
>
> I'm sure you're not foolish enough to believe that all anyone has to do
> to get good tone is to buy a tube amp.
of shitty ones out there (and some of 'em have famous names
on them, too...) but I'm tellin' ya - when it comes right down to
putting a crap tube amp up against a medium-quality SS
amp, the tubes are gonna win - IF - you have the chops to
use 'em. And I'm not down on modeling technology, I think
it's a cool idea. I just haven't heard any (and I've heard most
of 'em) that really do the trick. Yes, they will work OK in a
controlled environment (bedroom, studio, etc.) but so far,
if you want to kick mondo ass, you'd best come riding in on
a tube amp. One that's properly set up, with good tubes and
good speakers, is unbeatable.
> That's almost what your post
> sounds like. I've heard, used & owned some great tube amps over the last
> 30 years (still have a couple), but I've had some real stinky sounding
> tube amps as well that were 'supposed to' sound like manna from heaven.
They have to be set up correctly, too. I'll bet I could take Derek's
BFSR and make it sound like shit in five minutes flat - without changing
a single component.
>
> I'm also sure that your being in the business of selling tubes doesn't
> color your opinion one bit. ;)
Why, sure it does. I don't like what I sell, I sell what I like. And I
like TUBES. Use 'em myself, in fact - always have.
Lord Valve
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Mike Feher
I'm going to chime in here and piss everyone off by saying a couple of
things in defense of modeling amps in general, Line6 (Vetta in
particular) in specific:
Number 1: Spend some real time with them. They can be hard to pick up
and are as complex as a personal computer.
Number 2: Your bias may vary.
With item number 1, I've owned a Vetta Combo since August of '02 and
the one big thing I found out with it is, the kick-ass tones are there
if you are willing to spend the time to find them, which means you
have to read the manual, dick with the knobs, and listen, listen,
listen. Just this past week they came out with a new software upgrade
which I took advantage of and now I have about 74(!!!) amp models,
dozens and dozens of effects, including onboard guitar synths, and a
raft of other new features. I spent six hours playing yesterday, so
yeah, modeling amps must sound like ass. (Incidentally, the new
software has some nice features for integrating with outside boxes
such as FX, DSP and rackmount boxes. One is a bypass amp model which
really isn't an amp model at all, but a setting where you can run
cleanly any preamp, for example, right into the Vetta and have it come
out as clean as it sounds coming out of the box.)
With item number 2, I know a lot of you folks are probably long-time
and/or "old time rock and rollers" and honestly, I've never played on
anything but a Vetta - I knew exactly what I was looking for when I
bought it - and you've probably never really spent any appreciable
time on a modeling amp. So without getting too on anyone for it,
everyone has their individual biases. But I must say that you should
open up your minds a bit - remember they are sofware modeling amps,
not the real thing, so if you are expecting an exact replica of your
beatup tweed or blackface like you have at home...it's not gonna
happen. They took whatever model they could find - in some cases the
only surviving copy of a box, be it amp, cab, or effect - and modeled
it generically enough to shoehorn into their software architecture.
Of course there is going to be some quality loss if you will - that's
the nature of the game. It's like when people complain that flying in
flight simulators is not the same - well, no shit, Sherlock.
As for the Vetta and it's supposed crappy tone...I'd be glad to argue
the point. But my advice on things like this is - and I can only
speak about Line 6 - but sometimes, the "lousy sound problem" will go
away if you can hunt and find a simple software or switch setting that
needs changing. It really can be that simple. I was scratching my
head wondering why some channels (each group of settings you put
together with ambs, cabs, and FX is known as a channel) sounded bad
until I found, for example, that the output setting had to be in
STEREO instead of MONO. It really was that simple and it was truly a
"Eureka!" moment to hear that sonic warmth, depth and clarity open
right up.
Just keep an open mind. People are resistant to new technologies and
new ideas. You have to appreciate the huge amount of engineering that
went into doing what they are trying to do.
Mike
Jack A. Zucker
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> Just keep an open mind. People are resistant to new technologies and
> new ideas. You have to appreciate the huge amount of engineering that
> went into doing what they are trying to do.
Why? It doesn't sound good. I'd appreciate the engineering if the tones were
good.
It's a very simple interface. It's silly to suggest that there are a tone of
parameters to adjust - There aren't. It's got the standard analog-type
controls.
I have nothing against technology but this particular implementation is
poor. I suggest you guys go listen to some "real" tube amps to hear what the
stuff is really supposed to sound like. Listen with your ears, not your lust
for technology.
Jaz
Richard
> I have nothing against technology but this particular implementation is
> poor. I suggest you guys go listen to some "real" tube amps to hear what the
> stuff is really supposed to sound like. Listen with your ears, not your lust
> for technology.
"Lust for Technology" would be a good band name. :)
--
Clark '04.
icarusi
> I'm also sure that your being in the business of selling tubes
doesn't
> color your opinion one bit. ;)
Lord Valve? Biased? Hot or cold?
Icarusi
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sounded
> flat. But a few guys on the Hamer Fan Club board bought them and
they say
> they're getting some nice tones from the amp.
I preferred the sound of the Duoverb to the Vetta which sounded very
flat to me, although I liked the sound of the original Flextone. OTOH
the Duoverb isn't a cheap amp so not an amp you'd probably prefer
unless you need the flexibility or bi-amp capability and like it's
sound. I heard it doesn't really have the flat out power it's rating
would suggest for those in loud bands........what?
David Eidelberg
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Mike Feher
Umm, I don't have a lust for technology. I'm just saying that you
should approach it with an open mind - and I'm not talking
specifically about the Duoverb because I haven't played it. If you
hate it so much, quit talking about why you hate it and move on to
your tube amps and your 1970s technology, which sounds just fine, I'm
very sure of it. You're speaking with an electrical engineer who
happens to be very fascinated with tubes. I'm done arguing anything -
I just wanted to point out that there are several people in this
newsgroup that could probably stand a little ear- and mind-opening
experience.
Mike
Adam Childers
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Adam Childers
simple interface unless you are good at using knobs, etc.
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Jack A. Zucker
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> Umm, I don't have a lust for technology. I'm just saying that you
> should approach it with an open mind - and I'm not talking
> specifically about the Duoverb because I haven't played it.
OK - Start another thread then. I thought this was about discussing the
duoverb!
And, I do have an open-mind. I've used all kinds of new fangled
technologies. I was one of the first folks "on the block" with a rack setup
and I've used solid state amps with tube preamps for years and I really like
Yamaha's DG technology and would have bought one except for the motorized
knobs. You shouldn't assume that I have a closed mind based on me not liking
this particular technology.
> If you
> hate it so much, quit talking about why you hate it and move on to
> your tube amps and your 1970s technology, which sounds just fine,
More ignorant statements since you obviously know nothing about the
technologies I'm interested in or have used.
> I'm
> very sure of it. You're speaking with an electrical engineer who
> happens to be very fascinated with tubes.
> I'm done arguing anything -
> I just wanted to point out that there are several people in this
> newsgroup that could probably stand a little ear- and mind-opening
> experience.
I'm also an engineer also (not that it has any relationship to this
discussion) and believe me, when someone comes up with an
analog-transistor-based or digital modeling based replacement for vacuum
tubes, I'll be one of the first to jump on the bandwagon but this one ain't
it. What's so hard to understand about that?
I find some of the attutudes by folks like you as closed minded as the tube
snobs...i.e. - You want to embrace the technology without regard to the
actual implementation of the tone/feel of the amp.
B'bye now...
Jaz
icarusi
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> As for the Vetta and it's supposed crappy tone...I'd be glad to
argue
> the point. But my advice on things like this is - and I can only
> speak about Line 6 - but sometimes, the "lousy sound problem" will
go
> away if you can hunt and find a simple software or switch setting
that
> needs changing. It really can be that simple. I was scratching my
> head wondering why some channels (each group of settings you put
> together with ambs, cabs, and FX is known as a channel) sounded bad
> until I found, for example, that the output setting had to be in
> STEREO instead of MONO. It really was that simple and it was truly
a
> "Eureka!" moment to hear that sonic warmth, depth and clarity open
> right up.
I went through the presets on the Vetta and nocked one back to the
basic amp tones and tried to build something I liked, but the 'basic'
tone was lacking for me. I own and use a V-amp a DG Stomp and a
Behringer GX210, so I have modellers and tranny amps but I also have
valve amps, so I don't have favourites in that respect. I sometimes
try amps which others have dismissed, but I don't want an amp that I
have to spend too long trying to get a sound I like. There are other
amps to try!
Brad St Clair
They need to keep going in that direction....A Vox Conqueror would be great, likewise Selmer, Orange etc.
David Eidelberg
trade deal (good from my end) on a head. The combos really didn't cut it.
I figure I get 30 days to try it anyway.
So, I spend a little time with the amp and my first impression is that it
really does suck. Lots of mud and flat sounding through my marshall 1936
with V30s.
Then I took a little time and started really listening and adjusting. I
also looked at the manual for how they modeled certain amps and what the
knobs do.
Well, after about an hour, I have some very nice sounding Fendery sounds, a
decent marshally sound, a killer gain sound using the Soldano model and a
few others. I can't figure out how to get the vox models to sound chimey.
So far they're not even in the neighborhood. I have a Vetta playing friend
and I'll ask him about that...
I'll try it on a gig and we'll see how home tweaks sound in the field. At
least there wouldn't be much tweaking to do once I get the amp to a gig.
Yeah, it won't be one of my tube amps, but it will be a lightweight backup
to take on a job and who the hell cares when I'm playing a wedding anyway?
Jack A. Zucker
I'd love a great fender emulator. If they could get that one sound I'd be
happy.
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