Ramirez "Segovia Model" 1A classical guitar with brazilian rosewood on Ebay :)
xoa
I have a 1977 Ramirez "Segovia Model" 1A up for auction right now on ebay.
This is a concert model with beautiful brazilian rosewood ont the back and
sides and an incredible sound.
Check it out here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=382922732
Thanks!
xoa
Twang
coleman
xoa <ssa...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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Mark Westling
(at that time Ramirez downgraded many of his 1a's to 2a's because of defects
in thier construction/appearance.)
The US importer of Ramirez guitars at that time created the "Segovia Model"
labels and covered up the 2a markings. This was done without Segovia's or
Ramirez' approval. They were both quite upset about the trick. Be
advised...
"Twang" <tw...@dtgnet.com> wrote in message
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xoa
"Segovia Model" guitar. He even went so far as to personally email the
winning bidder of my auction. It's really ashame because he is so
misinformed and the facts of the "Segovia Model are readily explained right
on my auction page and at guitarsalon.com's excellent database of articles.
Here's a blurb from a www.guitarsalon.com article called "Ramirez Myths"
explaining the "Segovia Model"
......During the late 60s and throughout the 70s Jose
Ramirez exported two principal models: 1a, or "first
class" guitar with a blue label, and 2a or "second
class" guitar with a red label. In the same letter,
Ramirez claims that his 2a guitars utilized backs and
sides made from inferior materials and thus were sold
as 2a models. To both the 1a and 2a guitars a "Segovia
Model" gold label was applied over the Ramirez label
by Sherry without permission. Ramirez was clearly
upset about this procedure as it concealed his intent
to market the 2a guitar......
This same excerpt is right on my auction page and so is a close up picture
of the light blue label that designates it as a "1A"
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=382922732
-xoa
"Mark Westling" <mwes...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Mark Westling
"set" and "Samuel Anderson") has been trying to sell this for months now. I
suggest he simply ask Amalia Ramirez to clarify the company's position on
these forgeries from the 70s....
Mark
"xoa" <ssa...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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xoa
be spammed by companies who gather emails from
newsgroups uses a pseudonym when he posts to
newsgroups.
Don't know who "set" is maybe seth?.
Also, this is the very first time I've ever tried to
auction this guitar so no dice on the "for months now"
comment. Listed it once and sold it.
Don't you think "forgeries" is sort of strong? If you
would read the paragraph I sent you either on their
site or the auction site you would see that although
it was in fact somewhat deceptive of Sherry Brenner to
cover up the model #s, the only danger posed is to pay
too much for a RED LABEL 2A (inferior but still a fine
concert instrument) mistaking it for a 1A.
However this doesn't apply to my auction since it has
a blue label not a red one.
Sincerly,
xoa (a.k.a. Sam)
"Mark Westling" <mwes...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Mark Westling
Mark
"xoa" <ssa...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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xoa
> I couldn't have said it better.
Unfortunately you didn't say it better. Instead you spread misinformation
to everyone on this newsgroup claiming that ALL Segovia Models are
re-labeled 2A's which isnt the case. Also you emailed the winner of my
auction with this misinformation which caused him to unnecessarily panic.
In short, you were talking out of your ass and I don't appreciate being
accused of trying to rip someone off.
--Sam
Mark Westling
mine, but if the shoe fits... <s>). However, your continuance of using the
"Segovia Model" notation when it was neither sanctioned or approved by
Segovia or Ramirez is certainly continuing to spread the fraud originally
committed by Jim Sherry.
I'm quite happy that your buyer had his awareness raised. There is way too
much disinformation and fraud being committed on the net. We all need to
have as much information as possible before making such an expensive
purchase.
Best regards,
Mark
"xoa" <ssa...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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xoa
the issue with inaccurate information? If anything you just created more
confusion.
One visit to my auction page does much more to clear up any confusion
surrounding the "Segovia Model" than all of your false sensational heresay.
So you are trying to save people who don't need to be saved.
I find it interesting that in the guise of "raising awareness" you feel
justified spreading misinformation and rumour.
Whats more, when you are called on it ( in the civil and respectful first
email I sent you), you don't even bother to recheck your facts on the
possibility that you could be wrong.
Instead you immediately send me an accusatory email saying that I should
have listed it as a "mislabeled 2a" !
This statement, combined with the subject of your newsgroup post which
states that "Segovia Models" are just 2A's is where you accused me of
"trying to rip someone off" (my words for your accusation)
If you had just bothered to actually read the article on guitarsalon.com or
my auction page for that matter (something you apperently never did), you
would have saved yourself alot of time and embarassment because you would
see that I not only included the "Segovia Model" article right on the page,
but also included a close up picture of the light blue label which
eliminates any doubt about this instrument being a 1A.
I used the "Segovia Model" as a tag line because its recognizable and
whether you and I like it or not, many, many Ramirez guitars were sold with
this label therefore it is an accurate description of this instrument as
well as an eye catching way to get people to investigate further. I
obviously wasn't trying to mislead anyone otherwise I wouldn't have bothered
to include the guitarsalon article right on the page itself.
But you sir are apperently oblivious to obvious queues like that and you
would rather be a busybody Gladys Kravits type that gets some sort of
pleasure out of saving people from potential dangers that exist nowhere but
in your fertile imagination.
Sincerely,
-xoa (a.k.a. Sam)
"Mark Westling" <mwes...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> I have a 1977 Ramirez "Segovia Model" 1A up for auction right now on ebay.
> This is a concert model with beautiful brazilian rosewood ont the back and
> sides and an incredible sound.
>
> Check it out here:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=382922732
>
> Thanks!
> xoa
The 2a has a red colored border on the label. The 1a has a light blue-grey color border. Hope this helps future searchers.