Dr.Z Route 66 Review
Jason
Dr. Z Route 66
By Darrin Fox
"Sporting treble, bass, and volume controls, the Dr. Z Rote 66 head ( $1499 as
tested, with hardwood front; $1399 with grill-cloth front ) is about as simple
as an amplifier can get. The single channel, 32 watt amp uses a pair of Groove
Tubes KT66 output tubes-new production versions of the tube found in various
British amps of the 60s, most notably the Marshall model 1962 combo that was
immortalized on John Mayhall's Bluesbreakers With Eric Clapton. The Route 66 is
a unique designm however, that uses an ultra-linear output stage ( think
vintage hi-fi) and no negative feedback, a la Vox AC30."
"Under The Hood:
Inside the Route 66's brushed aluminum chasis is neat, point-to-point wiring, a
glass-epoxy turret-style board, proprietary coupling caps, chasis-mounted
phenolic tube sockets, and carbon-comp resistors. The Route 66s preamp uses a
12AX7 phase inverter ( which drives the output tubes ) and an EF86 for the
input stage ( a 9-pin pentode that, thanks to its higher output, allows for a
simpler circuit design ). The rectifier is a GZ34. Three 1/4" jacks are
provided for 4 ohm, and 16 ohm speakers."
"Get Your Kicks
We tested the Route 66 through a variety of cabinets, including an open-back
Marshall JCM2000 2x12 loaded with Celestion Vintage 30s, a Vintage 30-equipped
4x12 Marshall straight cabinet, and a Buzz feiten closed-back 2x12 equipped
with 25-watt Celestion Greenbacks. Our test guitars included a PRS McCarty, a
'61 Les Paul Jr., a Fender American Standard Strat, and a '62 reissue Tele
Custom.
The Route 66 is one of those rare amps that radiate tonal magic from the
get-go. It delivers an abundance of smooth punch at high volumes, and is so
responsive that dialing clean and dirty tones requires little more than the
appropriate twist of your guitar's volume knob.
The Route 66's sensitivity and dynamic response allow performance nuances to be
replicated with remarkable musicality. Clean tones sparkle with a sweet
brilliance that is wholly distinctive. Couple that with the pronounced midrange
character of the KT66s, and the amp's complexity is nothing short of amazing.
As you push the Route 66 towards breakup, it stays smooth and rich, never
resorting to harshness. The bass frequencies also remain tight and focused,
even with the volume fully cranked.
The Route 66 sounds exceptional with a variety of overdrive, delay, and
modulation stompboxes, and the amp's EQ is voiced in such a way that I was
unable to dial up a bad sound. Plugging into a 4x12 cabinet only increased the
Route 66s machismo factor, producing significantly more midrange punch and low
end."
"End Of The Road
The Route 66 delivers the sonic equivalent of a five-course meal on a
low-calorie platter, and its diminutive size and weight ( 26 lbs ) eases the
burden of lugging a two-piece rig. Its no easy feat for a single-channel
amplifier to provide stellar clean *and* distortion tones, but the Route 66
steps up to the plate and hits a McGuire-esque homerun. What a cool amp-and it
comes with a lifetime warranty."
Peace,
Jason
Carlginger
>
>Posted by request from a rmmg member( from Guitar Player, Jan. 99 ):
>
>Dr. Z Route 66
Printed it right out. Thank you very very much Jason.
I can file this with my other 66 reviews.
Happy b-day and many thanks, I never did see this GP review.
Carl
Ericb
carlg...@aol.com (Carlginger) wrote:
Carl, I bought that GP just to read that review when it came out! My net
friend Perry bought one of the 1st Route 66's and almost convinced me to
buy one. Sounds pretty damn nice. I've got 1 question for you though since
you've owned loads of other great amps. How loud is the RT66 compared to a
50watt Plexi(original) or 50watt JCM800 2204 head (in case you've heard
one) Both of those amps are loud as hell, and if the RT66 is close to
those and needs to be cranked to sound great I'll probably never get one,
but if it is 1/2 to 3/4 of those volumes I'm going to think seriously
about one. Let me know if you get a chance and thanks
ERIC
Carlginger
>Carl, I bought that GP just to read that review when it came out!
I must thank Jason again for taking the time to type that. I never did see that
issue.
My net
>friend Perry bought one of the 1st Route 66's and almost convinced me to
>buy one. Sounds pretty damn nice. I've got 1 question for you though since
>you've owned loads of other great amps. How loud is the RT66 compared to a
>50watt Plexi(original) or 50watt JCM800 2204 head (in case you've heard
>one) Both of those amps are loud as hell, and if the RT66 is close to
>those and needs to be cranked to sound great I'll probably never get one,
>but if it is 1/2 to 3/4 of those volumes I'm going to think seriously
>about one. Let me know if you get a chance and thanks
>ERIC
Mine also has better KT-66's than the Groove Tubes that were in the review
model. I forgot what they are and really don't give a shit as long as Z
recommends them, good enough for me.
I had the reissue JTM 45 head as well as the reissue 50 watt Plexi.
The 50 watt Plexi reissue was too goddamn bright. Even when I jumped the
channels, the volumes were like an on/off switch...they came on real fast.
Pedals sounded awful due to it's brightness and only sounded good jumping the
channels...still, I had a bitch mixing the channels because the volume came up
too fast. The JTM 45 was better with less brightness.
Anyway, I put the 66 up halfway yesterday with no effects.
It's loud, but not in a bad way. It's smooth
with more detail and hamonic shit going on than any Marshall I ever used.
I dimed it too. It just got a little louder and a bit more distorted, but I
noticed it has great headroom, it doesn't mush or compress much.
This was with both the treble and bass at halfway. These are not normal tone
controls and the amp can be made to distort a bit more at lower volumes by
simply turning them both up a bit.
They do not work the same as standard tone controls.
It's 32 watts, tube rectifier...it's not as crushingly loud as the Marshall
50....closer to the 45.
To me, it's a pedal amp ( especially with my Strat) and when you turn those
pedals off, it has that sweet tone at all volumes. Plus, the volume comes on
nice and smooth, nothing like the Marshall.
We tried the old Marshall Bluesbreaker, Drivemaster, and Shreadmaster pedals
thu the 66 yesterday, and man, like I said, I haven't found a pedal that
doesn't sound great thru this amp.
The Drivemaster especially sounded great.
Carl
Ericb
carlg...@aol.com (Carlginger) wrote:
Thanks for the info. The amp I've been using most often is the JTM45 RI. I
use el34's in it, use it about 1/2 volume tops, and use pedals for all the
shades of od and distortion. The KT66's you have probably are the Valve
Arts ones. I own those too and tried them in my jtm45. They sound great in
this amp but I seemed to like el34's better when reacting to my pedals.
I've talked to 10 other people who prefered the VA KT66's but they didn't
use pedals.......I love the jtm45 RI but the only thing I find missing is
it does NOT sound good cranked over about 6 on the volume. (When I used to
own a 1971 Marshall 100 watt Super Lead, it sounded better and better when
you cranked it up) I've been told I should change the filter caps back to
original specs but instead of doing that , I just turn it up to around 5
and use pedals.......That's wierd what you're saying about the plexi RI's
volume knob taper problem, because the JTM45ri is totally different; it's
gradual as can be. Same with my JCM800 2204 head.....Thanks again for the
info; I'm going to have to check one out for sure
ERIC
Ericb
carlg...@aol.com (Carlginger) wrote:
> >
> >shades of od and distortion. The KT66's you have probably are the Valve
> >Arts ones. I own those too and tried them in my jtm45. They sound great in
> >this amp but I seemed to like el34's
> >better when reacting to my pedals.
> >I've talked to 10 other people who prefered the VA KT66's but they didn't
> >use pedals...
>
> Probably has something to do with the 66's circuit...it's not the same as a
> Marshall.
>
>
>
> >.That's wierd what you're saying about the plexi RI's
> >volume knob taper problem, because the JTM45ri is totally different; it's
> >gradual as can be.
>
> I agree. The 50 watt Reissue is a different beast. It's based on the 72
> Superleads which where super bright and the volume was like an on/off switch!!
>
>
I remember my 1971 SuperLead well. The volume on 2 was about as loud as it
could get, the rest of the way would just be gain. Many times at bar gigs
I'd have to run the damn thing at about 1 1/2!! It also was really bright,
but still sounded great with the treble down around 1 3/4-2.......I've
never played a 60's plexi but hear they're nowhere near as bright. With
the prices the 60's plexis go for these days, if the RT66 sounds as nice
or better it's definitely a better deal as the price is better and I've
definitely heard it's built impeccably. Enjoy it
ERIC
Everybody Polka
>We tried the old Marshall Bluesbreaker, Drivemaster, and Shreadmaster pedals
>thu the 66 yesterday, and man, like I said, I haven't found a pedal that
>doesn't sound great thru this amp.
>The Drivemaster especially sounded great.
>
>Carl
>
>
Ok, but would you trade a '66 BF Super Reverb for one? Just trying to
get a baseline here...
Carlginger
John Huff
>I had the reissue JTM 45 head as well as the reissue 50 watt Plexi.
>The 50 watt Plexi reissue was too goddamn bright. Even when I jumped
the
>channels, the volumes were like an on/off switch..
Is there a simple way of killing some high end...like snipping a
capacitor or changing a component?
Was it still too bright with the bass channel set louder and treble and
presence rolled way off?
I was using a shit 70's tele when I tried out a modded 1987 reiss. so I
didn't get a good fair impression. Have yet to run into another 50W
reiss.
Daniel
SubwayRock
>From: carlg...@aol.com (Carlginger)
>>Posted by request from a rmmg member( from Guitar Player, Jan. 99 ):
>>
>>Dr. Z Route 66
>
>Printed it right out. Thank you very very much Jason.
>I can file this with my other 66 reviews.
>Happy b-day and many thanks, I never did see this GP review.
>
>Carl
No problem, and thanks.
Peace,
Jason
~*Freebird*~
Carlginger <carlg...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990912191037...@ng-fs1.aol.com...
> >
> >Carl, I bought that GP just to read that review when it came out!
>
> I must thank Jason again for taking the time to type that. I never did see
that
> issue.
>
>
> My net
> >friend Perry bought one of the 1st Route 66's and almost convinced me to
> >buy one. Sounds pretty damn nice. I've got 1 question for you though
since
> >you've owned loads of other great amps. How loud is the RT66 compared to
a
> >50watt Plexi(original) or 50watt JCM800 2204 head (in case you've heard
> >one) Both of those amps are loud as hell, and if the RT66 is close to
> >those and needs to be cranked to sound great I'll probably never get one,
> >but if it is 1/2 to 3/4 of those volumes I'm going to think seriously
> >about one. Let me know if you get a chance and thanks
> >ERIC
>
> Mine also has better KT-66's than the Groove Tubes that were in the review
> model. I forgot what they are and really don't give a shit as long as Z
> recommends them, good enough for me.
>
Is that that same model tube as what are in the Bluesbreaker combo? If so,
is the Dr. Z closer in sound to the Bluesbreaker or the Plexi? The fuzzy
bottom end of the Bluesbreaker doesn't suit my tastes but the Plexi is the
sweetest tone I've ever heard.
> Anyway, I put the 66 up halfway yesterday with no effects.
> It's loud, but not in a bad way. It's smooth
> with more detail and hamonic shit going on than any Marshall I ever used.
> I dimed it too. It just got a little louder and a bit more distorted, but
I
> noticed it has great headroom, it doesn't mush or compress much.
> This was with both the treble and bass at halfway. These are not normal
tone
> controls and the amp can be made to distort a bit more at lower volumes by
> simply turning them both up a bit.
> They do not work the same as standard tone controls.
>
It must sound killer with your Fulltone pedals in front!
How does the price compare to that of a reissue Plexi?
Rob
FiestaRedX
Anything like a Mesa Boogie?
-FX
Carlginger
>is the Dr. Z closer in sound to the Bluesbreaker
The current Bluesbreaker ships with 5881.
The old originals had KT-66
I'd say the 66 is much closer to the Bluesbreaker....an old one.
>
>
>It must sound killer with your Fulltone pedals in front!
>How does the price compare to that of a reissue Plexi?
>
>Rob
>
It does.
$1299 to the reissues $700
ehemin...@my-deja.com
joh...@ix.netcom.com(John Huff) wrote:
>
> >I had the reissue JTM 45 head as well as the reissue 50 watt Plexi.
> >The 50 watt Plexi reissue was too goddamn bright. Even when I jumped
> the
> >channels, the volumes were like an on/off switch..
>
> Is there a simple way of killing some high end...like snipping a
> capacitor or changing a component?
yeah. if you look in that "history of marshall" book, which
you might find a barnes n noble or whatever......... it shows
the schematic for the reissue.
>
> Was it still too bright with the bass channel set louder and treble
and
> presence rolled way off?
> I was using a shit 70's tele when I tried out a modded 1987 reiss. so
I
> didn't get a good fair impression. Have yet to run into another 50W
> reiss.
>
> Daniel
>
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>Anyway, I put the 66 up halfway yesterday with no effects.
>It's loud, but not in a bad way. It's smooth
>It's 32 watts, tube rectifier...it's not as crushingly loud as the Marshall
>50....closer to the 45.
The thing I don't like about JTM 45's is that the low end gets too
garbled too fast when turn them up, as opposed to "responsive" on a
good 50.... More like intermod distortion than simple clipping. As
you crank the 66, what happens to the bass response? I like a fair
amount of compression, but no so much that it behaves like the
threshold is set ultra-low. I would like a "less treble oriented"
50.... I've got two right now, a '74 and a '68, and while the '68 is
less bright than the '74, I've found I really want something that
responds like the '68 but with the treble coloration at a higher
frequency, more Fenderish, but with the same low end response.... The
boutique Bassman amps don't distort the same when you get some volume
on them, and tend to be way to bright (in a more dynamic way) than the
Marshall, and the low end doesn't work the same way either, so...
Chip McDonald
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Carlginger
>The thing I don't like about JTM 45's is that the low end gets too
>garbled too fast when turn them up, as opposed to "responsive" on a
>good 50....
The 66 don't mush out, even at full volume.
>More like intermod distortion than simple clipping. As
>you crank the 66, what happens to the bass response?
Tight bass all the way up.
> I like a fair
>amount of compression, but no so much that it behaves like the
>threshold is set ultra-low.
You would never know this amp had a tube rectifier.
>I would like a "less treble oriented"
This don't have the extreme treble of the 72 and up Superleads.
>I've found I really want something that
>responds like the '68 but with the treble coloration at a higher
>frequency, more Fenderish, but with the same low end response....
Try to demo one.
~*Freebird*~
> >How does the price compare to that of a reissue Plexi?
> >
> >Rob
> >
>
> It does.
> $1299 to the reissues $700
Nicely priced too... I was afraid to ask. Thanks for the info, I'll have to
find one to try.
Rob
Ed Rotberg
information retrieval node from subwa...@aol.comNOSPAM (Jason), who
wrote:
>The Route 66 delivers the sonic equivalent of a five-course meal on a
>low-calorie platter, and its diminutive size and weight ( 26 lbs ) eases the
>burden of lugging a two-piece rig. Its no easy feat for a single-channel
>amplifier to provide stellar clean *and* distortion tones, but the Route 66
>steps up to the plate and hits a McGuire-esque homerun. What a cool amp-and it
>comes with a lifetime warranty."
Pity. Mr. Fox couldn't even check the spelling of Mark McGwire's last
name :-(
= Ed =
Carlginger
>Pity. Mr. Fox couldn't even check the spelling of Mark McGwire's last
>name :-(
>
> = Ed =
>
Polfus took alot of time to type this review, and you check spelling errors.
Carl
Zorro
Carlginger wrote in message
<19990913175523...@ng-fq1.aol.com>...
>Polfus took alot of time to type this review, and you check spelling
errors.
>
>Carl
>
He cut and pasted it off the 'net, I believe. Still, it did take some time
..probably a few minutes to find it and a minute to cut and paste it.
~*Freebird*~
> >
> > He cut and pasted it off the 'net, I believe. Still, it did take some
time
> >..probably a few minutes to find it and a minute to cut and paste it.
> >
>
> He retyped it out of the GP review.
> The review wasn't on the net as far as I knew.
And only a guy like Zorro would bust Jason's balls for doing a kind service
to the group.
Rob
Ericb
> Carlginger wrote in message
> <19990913175523...@ng-fq1.aol.com>...
>
> >Polfus took alot of time to type this review, and you check spelling
> errors.
> >
> >Carl
> >
> He cut and pasted it off the 'net, I believe. Still, it did take some time
> ..probably a few minutes to find it and a minute to cut and paste it.
Geez, how can you rag on someone for doing a great deed like that? Last I
knew Jason and Carl were in the middle of the eternal flamefest, then
Jason did something really nice. You must be damn desparate .........
ERIC
Carlginger
> He cut and pasted it off the 'net, I believe. Still, it did take some time
>..probably a few minutes to find it and a minute to cut and paste it.
>
He didn't.
SubwayRock
> "Zorro" <Wri...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Carlginger wrote in message
>>
>> >Polfus took alot of time to type this review, and you check spelling
>> errors.
>> >
>> >Carl
>> >
>> He cut and pasted it off the 'net, I believe. Still, it did take some time
>> ..probably a few minutes to find it and a minute to cut and paste it.
>
>Geez, how can you rag on someone for doing a great deed like that? Last I knew
Jason and Carl were in the middle of the eternal flamefest, then Jason did
something really nice.>
Hey, thanks man..I wish the frick we could all get along. He asked for my help,
so I gave it to him. He told me he would chill out as well..as long as my name
and my girlfriend's name quits getting drug through the muck, that's a
compromise I can live with.
>You must be damn desparate .........
>ERIC
Thats what I've been trying to tell you people about Zorro/Pat Collen...
Peace,
Jason
SubwayRock
>
>Zorro wrote:
>> >
>> > He cut and pasted it off the 'net, I believe. Still, it did take some
>time ..probably a few minutes to find it and a minute to cut and paste it.
>> >
>>
>> He retyped it out of the GP review.
>> The review wasn't on the net as far as I knew.
It wasn't ever posted on the net. The archives are here if anyone wants to
check:
http://www.guitarplayer.com/archive/index.htm
It was in that Guitar Player magazine, Carl...the real thing, from Jan 99. I
didn't cut and paste anything, and it took a long time because I suck at
typing..I only use my first fingers and thumbs anyways...never took classes to
type. I am *really* slow, too...Carl's just lucky I had 2 cups of coffee in me
that day.
>And only a guy like Zorro would bust Jason's balls for doing a kind service to
the group.
>
>Rob
Exactly...Pat Collen is an ass, and has been for some time. Remember,
Rob..."Zorro" bought my same guitar, same amp, follows my every post, thinks BB
King doesn't bend strings, thinks I can't get a Santana tone with Mesa/Boogie
DC3, all combos are portable ( I guess that also includes Vox AC30s and
Trem-O-Verbs) despite their weight, and on and on...
Carl asked me to do him a favor since he hadn't read that review, and I think I
am cool enough to let the shit go and help him if he asks for it.
Peace,
Jason
Zorro
Ericb wrote in message ...
>In article <OnDIppk$#GA.70@cpmsnbbsa05>, "Zorro" <Wri...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> Carlginger wrote in message
>>
>> >Polfus took alot of time to type this review, and you check spelling
>> errors.
>> >
>> >Carl
>> >
time
>> ..probably a few minutes to find it and a minute to cut and paste it.
>
>knew Jason and Carl were in the middle of the eternal flamefest, then
>
>ERIC
I wasn't ragging on him, just repeating what I believe that I had read and
he had confirmed. Setting the record straight if you will. It was nice that
he took the time to do it and was informative. Another source of information
which I certainly was not aware of. But cutting and pasting an article is
not the same as sitting down and transcribing it by hand ( not the same as
transposing, BTW...;-).
Zorro
Carlginger wrote in message
<19990913205220...@ng-fe1.aol.com>...
>>
>> He cut and pasted it off the 'net, I believe. Still, it did take some
time
>>..probably a few minutes to find it and a minute to cut and paste it.
>>
>
>He retyped it out of the GP review.
>The review wasn't on the net as far as I knew.
>
OK, so if I was wrong then I apologize to Jason for minimizing the level of
effort he put forth in
getting the information transcribed and posted , to the betterment of us
all.
>
>
Carlginger
>Geez, how can you rag on someone for doing a great deed like that? Last I
>knew Jason and Carl were in the middle of the eternal flamefest, then
>Jason did something really nice. You must be damn desparate .........
>
>ERIC
I agree, me and Jason settled our bickering privately...and he then did me a
huge favor by posting the 66 review.
Carl
Carlginger
>didn't cut and paste anything, and it took a long time because I suck at
>typing..I only use my first fingers and thumbs anyways...never took classes
>to
>type.
I know for a FACT it wasn't cut and pasted because you looked for that issue
WHILE we were talking.
>
>Carl asked me to do him a favor since he hadn't read that review, and I think
>I
>am cool enough to let the shit go and help him if he asks for it.
>
>Peace,
>Jason
Thanks again, I printed it out and it's filed with my other 66 reviews.
Carl
Joe Bac
> you've owned loads of other great amps. How loud is the RT66 compared to a
> 50watt Plexi(original) or 50watt JCM800 2204 head (in case you've heard
> one) Both of those amps are loud as hell, and if the RT66 is close to
> those and needs to be cranked to sound great I'll probably never get one,
>
I can't answer the above exactly - but I can tell you that there is one
hell of a lot of difference between the plexi reissues and the
originals. The reissues are LOUD AS HELL and VERY BRIGHT. You have to
jumper the channels to thicken it up. And it's still too damn loud. I
know this cus I have 2 reissue 100 watt heads, one 50 watt reissue and
one bluesbreaker reissue (actually I just sold three of them so I'm down
to one 100 watt reissue). I also have a 67 50 watt head and a 71 100
watt head - they both run mullard el34's. They are not bright, however
the 71 is slightly brighter then the 67. Yes they both get loud but
they don't get loud in a hurry. In other words, there's lots of room
from "0" before they are loud. I can run either head in my house at
half volume without pissing off neighbors or hurting my eardrums.
I once used to own a 66 JTM45 head and it had genelex KT66's in it.
That amp and a cool smokey tone. It did not have a volume problem like
the reissues do. I sold that amp like a dumb fool (but I know where it
is if I want it back - problem is, someone swiped the KT66's out of it).
Joe
Carlginger
>hell of a lot of difference between the plexi reissues and the
>originals. The reissues are LOUD AS HELL and VERY BRIGHT. You have to
>jumper the channels to thicken it up. And it's still too damn loud.
Agree. I had both the 50 and 100 watt reissues and experienced the same.
Carl
Ed Rotberg
information retrieval node from carlg...@aol.com (Carlginger), who
wrote:
>>
>>Pity. Mr. Fox couldn't even check the spelling of Mark McGwire's last
>>name :-(
>>
>> = Ed =
>>
>
>
>
>Polfus took alot of time to type this review, and you check spelling errors.
>
>Carl
Gimme a break here. My comment was directed at Mr. Fox, not in any way
at Jason. It was meant as a light-hearted observation - i.e. a guitar
geek that doesn't know how to spell a name that's been plastered in
the papers and over the airwaves for over a year now. Why does
everyhting have to be preceived as a slam, flame, slight or
complimemnt, fawning? Chill out dude!
= Ed =
Ericb
> Ericb wrote:
> > you've owned loads of other great amps. How loud is the RT66 compared to a
> > 50watt Plexi(original) or 50watt JCM800 2204 head (in case you've heard
> > one) Both of those amps are loud as hell, and if the RT66 is close to
> > those and needs to be cranked to sound great I'll probably never get one,
> >
>
> I can't answer the above exactly - but I can tell you that there is one
> hell of a lot of difference between the plexi reissues and the
> originals. The reissues are LOUD AS HELL and VERY BRIGHT. You have to
> jumper the channels to thicken it up. And it's still too damn loud. I
> know this cus I have 2 reissue 100 watt heads, one 50 watt reissue and
> one bluesbreaker reissue (actually I just sold three of them so I'm down
> to one 100 watt reissue). I also have a 67 50 watt head and a 71 100
> watt head - they both run mullard el34's. They are not bright, however
> the 71 is slightly brighter then the 67. Yes they both get loud but
> they don't get loud in a hurry. In other words, there's lots of room
> from "0" before they are loud. I can run either head in my house at
> half volume without pissing off neighbors or hurting my eardrums.
>
> I once used to own a 66 JTM45 head and it had genelex KT66's in it.
> That amp and a cool smokey tone. It did not have a volume problem like
> the reissues do. I sold that amp like a dumb fool (but I know where it
> is if I want it back - problem is, someone swiped the KT66's out of it).
>
> Joe
Joe I've never played 60's plexis, but I owned a couple of 1971 100watt
Super Leads.. Their volume was between 0 and 1 1/2 on the pot!!The rest
was just sustain and cream......I gather from your description the 60's
plexis had a normal volume taper.
ERIC
Zorro
Joe Bac wrote in message <37DE7C...@cup.hp.com>...
>I once used to own a 66 JTM45 head and it had genelex KT66's in it.
>That amp and a cool smokey tone. It did not have a volume problem like
>the reissues do. I sold that amp like a dumb fool (but I know where it
>is if I want it back - problem is, someone swiped the KT66's out of it).
>
>Joe
What difference would it make if somewone swiped the KT66's ? Sooner or
later you would have to replace them anyway. Would you then sell the amp
when they needed replacement ? Do you sell your car when the current set of
tires wear out ?
Ericb
Good analogy Zorro, cuz the 2 Genelex KT66's cost as much as 4 new tires!
ERIC
SubwayRock
Yup..they are $$$$, indeed.
Peace,
Jason
Zorro
Ericb wrote in message ...
>
>> Joe Bac wrote in message <37DE7C...@cup.hp.com>...
>> >I once used to own a 66 JTM45 head and it had genelex KT66's in it.
>> >That amp and a cool smokey tone. It did not have a volume problem like
>> >the reissues do. I sold that amp like a dumb fool (but I know where it
>> >is if I want it back - problem is, someone swiped the KT66's out of it).
>> >
>> >Joe
>>
>>
>> What difference would it make if somewone swiped the KT66's ? Sooner or
>> later you would have to replace them anyway. Would you then sell the amp
>> when they needed replacement ? Do you sell your car when the current set
of
>> tires wear out ?
>
>Good analogy Zorro, cuz the 2 Genelex KT66's cost as much as 4 new tires!
>ERIC
Well, if THAT amp is only as good as the tubes that were in it, then I
understand......
Zorro
SubwayRock wrote in message
<19990915213838...@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>>Subject: Re: Dr.Z Route 66 Review
>
>Joe Bac
>wrote:
>>>> >I once used to own a 66 JTM45 head and it had genelex KT66's in it.
That
>amp and a cool smokey tone. It did not have a volume problem like the
reissues
>do. I sold that amp like a dumb fool (but I know where it
>is if I want it back - problem is, someone swiped the KT66's out of it).
>>>
>>>Joe
>
>
>>>> What difference would it make if somewone swiped the KT66's ? Sooner or
>later you would have to replace them anyway. Would you then sell the amp
when
>they needed replacement ? Do you sell your car when the current set of
tires
>wear out ?
>
>
>>>Good analogy Zorro, cuz the 2 Genelex KT66's cost as much as 4 new tires!
>>>ERIC
>
>
>>Well, if THAT amp is only as good as the tubes that were in it, then I
>>understand......
>
>
>Try not to bitch too much if you can help it.
I'm not bitching, only trying to understand why Joe would consider the
particular set of tubes in the amp so important. Now I understand. What are
you , Jason...a 'netCop ? Do I need to justify my inquiries to YOU. Where
did YOU come into this ? Are you running interference for Joe Bac...he
really doesn't need it, you know?
The point remains that Joe Bac
>had an original 1966 Marshall JTM45 head with Genelex KT66 tubes
>apparently..
When did it become apparent to YOU...it just became apparent to me. Are you
the new RMMG Cop? Are you changing careers ?
and that it did not have the same volume problems as the reissues
>do. Also, while we are at it, you might realize that the cost for Joe Bac
to
>get back that amp will now include a nice chunk of change for getting back
a
>set of Genelex tubes. He was nice enough to tell us about his opinion of
the
>differences between the two amps in the first place.
Well, thank you Polfus for that explanation, but it really wasn't necessary
as Ericb responded to my post in a lot less blustery manner (25 words or
less) and explained that the tubes themselves were "special".. .....Now can
you explain why you implied in one of your previous posts today why someone
would NOT want to consider a green, red, or blonde Am Std Deluxe Strat, and
ONLY consider a 3-tone Sunburst model, in 25 words or less. Thank you...
SubwayRock
>From: "Zorro"
Joe Bac
wrote:
>>> >I once used to own a 66 JTM45 head and it had genelex KT66's in it. That
amp and a cool smokey tone. It did not have a volume problem like the reissues
do. I sold that amp like a dumb fool (but I know where it
is if I want it back - problem is, someone swiped the KT66's out of it).
>>
>>Joe
Then Zorro came crashing in with:
>>> What difference would it make if somewone swiped the KT66's ? Sooner or
later you would have to replace them anyway. Would you then sell the amp when
they needed replacement ? Do you sell your car when the current set of tires
wear out ?
Then Eric said:
>>Good analogy Zorro, cuz the 2 Genelex KT66's cost as much as 4 new tires!
>>ERIC
And finally Zorro said:
>Well, if THAT amp is only as good as the tubes that were in it, then I
>understand......
Pat,
Try not to bitch too much if you can help it. The point remains that Joe Bac
had an original 1966 Marshall JTM45 head with Genelex KT66 tubes
apparently..and that it did not have the same volume problems as the reissues
do. Also, while we are at it, you might realize that the cost for Joe Bac to
get back that amp will now include a nice chunk of change for getting back a
set of Genelex tubes. He was nice enough to tell us about his opinion of the
differences between the two amps in the first place.
Jason
John Huff
>>
>>Good analogy Zorro, cuz the 2 Genelex KT66's cost as much as 4 new
tires!
>>ERIC
>
>understand......
>
>
What is hard to understand about his reasoning?
Daniel
SubwayRock
>>>Good analogy Zorro, cuz the 2 Genelex KT66's cost as much as 4 new tires!
>>>ERIC
>>
>>Well, if THAT amp is only as good as the tubes that were in it, then I
>>understand......
>>
>>
>Are you really that much of a jackass?
Looks that way.
>What is hard to understand about his reasoning?
>
>Daniel
Hell if I know..at least we got the point.
Peace,
Jason
Zorro
John Huff wrote in message <7rpp92$k...@dfw-ixnews21.ix.netcom.com>...
>
>>>
>>>Good analogy Zorro, cuz the 2 Genelex KT66's cost as much as 4 new
>tires!
>>>ERIC
>>
>>Well, if THAT amp is only as good as the tubes that were in it, then I
>>understand......
>>
>>
>Are you really that much of a jackass?
Fuck you, Huff (great name for a blow-hard)...
Zorro
SubwayRock wrote in message
<19990916021232...@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>
>Hell if I know..at least we got the point.
>
>Peace,
>Jason
>
I guess you would, considering the shape of your head..
Joe Bac
> Joe I've never played 60's plexis, but I owned a couple of 1971 100watt
> Super Leads.. Their volume was between 0 and 1 1/2 on the pot!!The rest
> was just sustain and cream......I gather from your description the 60's
> plexis had a normal volume taper.
> ERIC
The 71 super lead that I have doesn't get real loud until 4 or 5. It's
similiar to the 67 plexi as far as volume taper. Those new reissues are
another beast entirely.
--
joe...@cup.hp.com
Joe Bac
> I'm not bitching, only trying to understand why Joe would consider the
> particular set of tubes in the amp so important. Now I understand. What are
> you , Jason...a 'netCop ? Do I need to justify my inquiries to YOU. Where
> did YOU come into this ? Are you running interference for Joe Bac...he
> really doesn't need it, you know?
Wow - let me explain. I bought that '66 JTM45 a few years back from a
guy who used to be a part of this newsgroup but dropped quite some time
ago for obvious reasons. He put NOS Genelex KT66's in it, biased it,
and then sent it to me. That amp rocked. It had that smokey tone. I
used to share a booth with a buddy at the 4 amigos vintage guitar show
pretty regularly. One time I was showing that head in my booth.
Everyone, and I mean everyone, dug that head. I had lots of offers.
The local Guitar Center offered me the most so I sold it to them. That
head is still in the San Jose store but some a-hole swiped the KT66's
out of it so GC put some crappy 6L6's in it. It's a shame. Looking
back, I should have sold it to one of the smaller dealers or kept the
dang thing. Oh well...
retr...@bigpond.com
subwa...@aol.comNOSPAM (SubwayRock) wrote:
> >Subject: Re: Dr.Z Route 66 Review
> >Good analogy Zorro, cuz the 2 Genelex KT66's cost as much as 4 new
tires!
> >ERIC
>
>
> Peace,
> J
I can supply British made New Old Stock GEC-MO Valve Co KT66 in pairs,
matched to +/- 1mA plate current. Total price for one matched pair
including delivery is US$180. I accept visa and masterca
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
John Huff
>
>Sounds like YOU should have kept the Genelex tubes and sold the amp to
GC
>with
>crappy 6L6's in it.....
>
>
Who put the stick up your ass?
Constantly giving the man shit about HIS amp and how HE sold it and
wished HE had it back?
Who pulls tubes and has an amp rebiased for a different kind (lessing
value) right before they sell it, anyways?
Daniel
Zorro
Joe Bac wrote in message <37E112...@cup.hp.com>...
Sounds like YOU should have kept the Genelex tubes and sold the amp to GC
SubwayRock
>>Sounds like YOU should have kept the Genelex tubes and sold the amp to GC
with crappy 6L6's in it.....
>>
>>
>Who put the stick up your ass?
>Constantly giving the man shit about HIS amp and how HE sold it and
>wished HE had it back?
Exactly.
>Who pulls tubes and has an amp rebiased for a different kind (lessing
>value) right before they sell it, anyways?
>
>Daniel
Hel if I know..good point.
Peace,
Jason
Zorro
John Huff wrote in message <7rsfko$7...@dfw-ixnews15.ix.netcom.com>...
>
>>
>>Sounds like YOU should have kept the Genelex tubes and sold the amp to
>GC
>>with
>>crappy 6L6's in it.....
>>
>>
>Who put the stick up your ass?
>Constantly giving the man shit about HIS amp and how HE sold it and
>wished HE had it back?
Why don't you go away..I am not giving Joe any shit, and you have not been
invited into the discussion. If you want to invite yourself somewhere,
invite yourself out of here.
Zorro
John Huff wrote in message <7rsfko$7...@dfw-ixnews15.ix.netcom.com>...
>
>>
>>Sounds like YOU should have kept the Genelex tubes and sold the amp to
>GC
>>with
>>crappy 6L6's in it.....
>>
>>
>Who put the stick up your ass?
>Constantly giving the man shit about HIS amp and how HE sold it and
>wished HE had it back?
>
>value) right before they sell it, anyways?
>
>Daniel
Look, you fucking blow-hard. I had a MusicMan HD-130 amp once which had 2
EV-12's in it. I sold it with the EV's for 300, which is what the EVs were
worth ALONE. I regretted that I had not put cheaper speakers in it before
selling it, since it was worth $300 without the EVs. I was making the same
observation about Joe's amp ...TO JOE, not to your waffle-ass. I hope it is
all clear to you now. Huff...an appropriate name for a blow-hard.
SubwayRock
>Why don't you go away..I am not giving Joe any shit, and you have not been
invited into the discussion. If you want to invite yourself somewhere,
>invite yourself out of here.
Well..who invited you to comment as well, Pat?
Jason
Zorro
Carlginger
>>Well..who invited you to comment as well, Pat?
>>
>>Jason
>
>Go eat your sushi....
>
Don't knock it till you tried it.
Zorro
Carlginger wrote in message
<19990917113609...@ng-cp1.aol.com>...
I did try it...I spent some time in Korea and the "Pilipeens" and had a lot
of sushi, and a lot of Susie's (and Nicki's and Penny's and Tammi's and all
those other 'round eyed' names they adopt).
>
>
>
>
SubwayRock
>From: "Zorro"
>>Well..who invited you to comment as well, Pat?
>>
>>Jason
>
>Go eat your sushi....
Excuse me? Are *YOU* making racist comments now, asshole, regarding my
girlfriend ( who is NOT Japanese )?
Jason
Carlginger
>>>Go eat your sushi....
>>>
>>
>>Don't knock it till you tried it.
>
>I did try it...I spent some time in Korea and the "Pilipeens" and had a lot
>of sushi, and a lot of Susie's (and Nicki's and Penny's and Tammi's and all
>those other 'round eyed' names they adopt).
I meant real sushi in a restuarant, not the gaysheesh sushi
John Huff
>
>Look, you fucking blow-hard. I had a MusicMan HD-130 amp once which
had 2
>EV-12's in it. I sold it with the EV's for 300, which is what the EVs
were
>worth ALONE. I regretted that I had not put cheaper speakers in it
before
>selling it, since it was worth $300 without the EVs. I was making the
same
>observation about Joe's amp ...TO JOE, not to your waffle-ass. I hope
it is
>all clear to you now. Huff...an appropriate name for a blow-hard.
>
>
Sounds like you screwed yourself out of $300...good move.
Daniel
John Huff
>
>
>Why don't you go away..I am not giving Joe any shit, and you have not
been
>invited into the discussion. If you want to invite yourself somewhere,
>invite yourself out of here.
>
>
Daniel
John Huff
>
>
'Zorro'-the gay blade
Daniel
Zorro
John Huff wrote in message <7rtt03$s...@dfw-ixnews17.ix.netcom.com>...
I've heard it resembles a crater on the moon....
Zorro
John Huff wrote in message <7rtt7i$p...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>...
Yes I did, Dog-nuts. I admit it was a stupid move and that was the point of
my reply to Joe's post.
Zorro
John Huff wrote in message <7ru1el$s...@dfw-ixnews19.ix.netcom.com>...
> Huff...an appropriate name for a blow-hard.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>Daniel
Great movie, wasn't it. Can't you be a little more original ? That line has
already been used by others.....
Bo' Z_fus
Zorro
Bo' Z_fus wrote in message ...
SubwayRock
>From: "Bo' Z_fus"
>>>From: "Zorro"
>>
>>>>Well..who invited you to comment as well, Pat?
>>>>
>>>>Jason
>>>
>>>Go eat your sushi....
>>
>>Excuse me? Are *YOU* making racist comments now, asshole, regarding my
girlfriend ( who is NOT Japanese )?
>>
>>Jason
>
>
>If the shushi fits.....
I'll take that as a "yes".
Fuck you, racist prick.
Jason
SubwayRock
>From: "Bo' Z_fus"
>If the shushi fits.....
You pathetic morsel of putrid monkey-dung...learn to spell.
Jason
A.S. Gambino
(Ericb) writes:
>In article <#zjSS83$#GA.248@cpmsnbbsa05>, "Zorro" <Wri...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>> What difference would it make if somewone swiped the KT66's ? Sooner or
>> later you would have to replace them anyway. Would you then sell the amp
>> when they needed replacement ? Do you sell your car when the current set of
>> tires wear out ?
>Good analogy Zorro, cuz the 2 Genelex KT66's cost as much as 4 new tires!
I almost broke my ass when I fell out of my chair laughing at this one, Eric.
Good show!
Anthony S. Gambino - asga...@aol.com
I'm not a nutjob. I just play one on TV.
Zorro
SubwayRock wrote in message
<19990919223206...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>>
>>If the shushi fits.....
>
>I'll take that as a "yes".
>
>Fuck you, racist prick.
>
>Jason
Hahahaha.....are you upset ???
Zorro
SubwayRock wrote in message
<19990919223400...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
Quit talking about our ancestors that way,,,,,,