removing piezo "quack"
Crossfire
transducer equipped acoustic? I've got a Takamine FP360SC that I love
except, at band volume, I get that high end quack that's typical with
piezo pickups. I've tried EQ pedals and various setting to no avail.
I'm seriously considering getting a Fishman Platinum Pro outboard preamp
because it claims to have a compressor ("smooth") function specifically
designed to eliminate the quack.
Does anyone have experience with this preamp or other ways to remove the
offending quack?
Jeff
ps - The magnetic in-hole magnetic pickup on my Guild 12 string never
has this problem so I'm confident it's not my amp or PA system.
--
CROSSFIRE...Classic Rock 'n Roll
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George Gleason
Crossfire <xf...@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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> Has anyone here been successful in removing the piezo quack from their
> transducer equipped acoustic? I've got a Takamine FP360SC that I love
> except, at band volume, I get that high end quack that's typical with
> piezo pickups.
I also have that same guitar but I hate it with a passion you can correct
the quack(almost with a Parametric EQ very narrow q like .2 big cut
like -15dB at around 1600 hz you will have to find your exact freq but this
should get you close. Please be aware that the quack shares important freq.
with clearity and definition and those will be compromised in deleting the
quack
George
>
Robert McArthur
duck to a nightengale.
R.
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Sometimes mad
Now the scholar
Now the fool
Thus they appear on earth:
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Before you buy.
david bagwill
will help you with this and any other pickup you will ever have.
Dave <g>
Daniel L. Dreibelbis
<rt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> See separate thread on Sans Amp Acoustic DI--absolutely transforms the
> duck to a nightengale.
> R.
and another rather unexpected device to try - ART's Tube MP mike
preamp. According to a salesman at Long & McQuades, quite a few acoustic
players use this between their piezo equipped acoustics and amps, with
excellent tonal results. I've used this with my piezo-equipped acoustic
to record direct with, and am quite pleased with it (it's also VERY
quiet).
Chris Stern
Chris
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TV
removing that pesty sound, I use a GE-9 Ibanez eq as an added low end
booster. Awesome for getting good sound at coffee houses every time. Plus
you get control back from them darn soundguys...
TV
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Larry Pattis
for the quack. If there were a satisfactory cure, or a way to make it
sound naturally acoustic, no one would be inventing and marketing non-piezo
pick-ups. You can try EQ and effects of all sorts, but you will still be
dealing with a basic sound that does not please very many ears.
A piezo pick-up sounds like a piezo pick-up no matter what you do.
Larry Pattis
"Life is just a bowl of Larrys"
Lpattis "at" xmission "dot" com
Liberal Palette Records
http://liberalpalette.com
BrettGV
a permanent part of my acoustic rig.
Brett
George Gleason
Larry Pattis <Larry...@NoSpamOnRMMGA.aaa> wrote in message
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> I'm sorry to mention this, but if you have a piezo pick-up there is no
cure
> for the quack. If there were a satisfactory cure, or a way to make it
> sound naturally acoustic, no one would be inventing and marketing
non-piezo
> pick-ups. You can try EQ and effects of all sorts, but you will still be
> dealing with a basic sound that does not please very many ears.
>
> A piezo pick-up sounds like a piezo pick-up no matter what you do.
Thats somthing I completely agree with all these fancy preamp will do is
give you a very well define horrible piezo Quack BUT then my stand on
pick-ups of any kind is well known so I won't go into it again.
George
Bill
> I'm sorry to mention this, but if you have a piezo pick-up there is no cure
> for the quack. If there were a satisfactory cure, or a way to make it
> sound naturally acoustic, no one would be inventing and marketing non-piezo
> pick-ups. You can try EQ and effects of all sorts, but you will still be
> dealing with a basic sound that does not please very many ears.
>
> A piezo pick-up sounds like a piezo pick-up no matter what you do.
True, although the input impedance of whatever you plug into can change the
sound significantly. Passive transformer-type direct boxes never sounded
"right" to me on piezo pickups. Too-low input impedance is, I suspect, the
problem.
George Gleason
> > A piezo pick-up sounds like a piezo pick-up no matter what you do.
>
> True, although the input impedance of whatever you plug into can change
the
> sound significantly. Passive transformer-type direct boxes never sounded
> "right" to me on piezo pickups. Too-low input impedance is, I suspect,
the
> problem.
I think Larry is pretty close to right on the money ,piezo pickup are
worthless for acoustic guitars
George
TV
control) is a great cure for the piezo quack. One of the reason we
compromise with piezo is to fight feedback when having to perform in less
than ideal situations with half baked sound systems and soundmen. The Lr
baggs Para-coustic DI is the best tool I've come across for $150 to survive
bad monitor mixes and feedback. If you want perfect acoustic sound, use a
neuman U-87, shure sm81 or something that lets you hear your uvula flapping
in the headphones.. there are just too many variables playing live with an
acoustic guitar. The only other thing I havent experimented with is the mix
of transducers mounted on the underside of the soundboard mixed w/ an
internal condenser mic. though my guess is just more feedback issues unless
more eq's or feedback buster units like sabine's are used.....
peace,
TV
"Bill" <bwil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Bob Dorgan
>
> I'm sorry to mention this, but if you have a piezo pick-up there is no cure
> for the quack. If there were a satisfactory cure, or a way to make it
> sound naturally acoustic, no one would be inventing and marketing non-piezo
> pick-ups. You can try EQ and effects of all sorts, but you will still be
> dealing with a basic sound that does not please very many ears.
>
> A piezo pick-up sounds like a piezo pick-up no matter what you do.
>
Bingo.
Piezoes quack.
So far, the best pick up I've tried is b-band.
No quack.
Believe it, disbelieve it, I don't care.
I'm trying a PUTW right now, and intial tests are pretty good, but I
haven't experimented enough with it to form an opinion.
Low volume use:
Mics don't quack, and they are the cleanest, most accurate amplification
device for an acoustic instrument.
Wish I could sit still when I play, so I could use one.
Bob Dorgan
Magnus Paterson
>
> Larry Pattis wrote:
> >
> > I'm sorry to mention this, but if you have a piezo pick-up there is no cure
> > for the quack. If there were a satisfactory cure, or a way to make it
> > sound naturally acoustic, no one would be inventing and marketing non-piezo
> > pick-ups. You can try EQ and effects of all sorts, but you will still be
> > dealing with a basic sound that does not please very many ears.
> >
> > A piezo pick-up sounds like a piezo pick-up no matter what you do.
> >
>
> Bingo.
You spelled it funny again.
Magnus
Rick Johnston
the hole just under the strings, the other an inch or two
deeper inside the body? The deeper mic would be out of
phase.
In loud live situations, feedback would hit both mics and
cancel. The out-of-phase signal from the strings to the far
mic might just remove the "honk" associated with internal
mics mounted in acoustics.
(Trams have a built-in response curve that IMO is custom
made for acoustic.)
Regards,
Rick Johnston
TV wrote
Robert McArthur
> Does anyone have experience with this preamp or other ways to remove
the
> offending quack?
>
> Jeff
Honestly I don't hear a Quack--it's more a rasping buzz, like a
Cicada's.
Honestly also a tube emulator like the sans Amp Acoustic DI or the ART
mentioned above should not be ruled out unless you try them.
Monte Montomery -- I noticed at one of his gigs-- uses a Trace Acoustic
200 with a tube emulator pre-amp and gets incredible sound at road house
rock and roll volumes.
Robert
Todd Bueler
the benefit of others, please enlighten us.
Todd Bueler
Toronto, Canada
Les Cargill
Todd Bueler wrote:
>
> What the HE Double Hockey Sticks is a Cicada? Actually I do know, but for
> the benefit of others, please enlighten us.
Those big green winged bugs that make a buzzing, rasping sound and leave molted
skins all
over. Southerners also call 'em locusts.
>
> Todd Bueler
> Toronto, Canada
>
> Robert McArthur wrote:
>
> > > Does anyone have experience with this preamp or other ways to remove
> > the
> > > offending quack?
> > >
> > > Jeff
> >
> > Honestly I don't hear a Quack--it's more a rasping buzz, like a
> > Cicada's.
> >
> > Honestly also a tube emulator like the sans Amp Acoustic DI or the ART
> > mentioned above should not be ruled out unless you try them.
> > Monte Montomery -- I noticed at one of his gigs-- uses a Trace Acoustic
> > 200 with a tube emulator pre-amp and gets incredible sound at road house
> > rock and roll volumes.
> > Robert
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
George Gleason
Rick Johnston <johnxsp...@buffnet.net> wrote in message
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> Has anyone tried two lav mics inside the box? One mounted in
> the hole just under the strings, the other an inch or two
> deeper inside the body? The deeper mic would be out of
> phase.
>
> In loud live situations, feedback would hit both mics and
> cancel. The out-of-phase signal from the strings to the far
> mic might just remove the "honk" associated with internal
> mics mounted in acoustics
.
feeding back at diffrent frequencies
George>
Robert McArthur
> Those big green winged bugs that make a buzzing, rasping sound and
leave molted
> skins all
> over. Southerners also call 'em locusts.
True--As a SWener they are locally called locusts, but they actually are
not true locusts. Locusts look like large, winged grasshoppers.
Cicadas
are emerald green, fat, oblong and rounded with heavy folded wings.
Sorry for the entymological digression.
the_tro...@my-deja.com
reduced if not eliminated via EQ, important frequencies are eliminated
when doing so as well. A local guitar guru added a small and very thin
cedar shim under my piezo element. This really cut back on that
"icepick to the eardrum" quack sound without wrecking the sound.
jb
In article <39B842A8...@bellatlantic.net>,
xf...@bellatlantic.net wrote:
Kevin Afflack
DI box. I had the LR Baggs parametric DI and this absolutely smokes it.
The Fishman has a "smooth" knob which adds a very subtle compression
that greatly eliminates the quack. I purchased mine from First Quality
Musical Supplies
www.fqms.com. Check it out.
Kevin
the_tro...@my-deja.com
In article <39BC0F28...@home.com>,
howl dog
> >
> > What the HE Double Hockey Sticks is a Cicada?
> Les Cargill wrote:
>
> Those big green winged bugs that make a buzzing, rasping sound and leave molted
> skins all over. Southerners also call 'em locusts.
ER um no we certainly do NOT. Locusts are monstrous grasshoppers that travel in
swarms and will eat up yer whole goddamned family if you dont hide inside the
trailer.
Cicadas are these giant freaking bugs, the size of a small cigar. Greenish
blackish, big wings. The larvae lives in the ground dormant for thirteen years
before it wakes up, crawls up on a tree, splits it skin open and leaves those
bizarre bug skeletons kids are always finding and wondering what the hell they are.
Cicadas make the most infernal racket you ever heard in your life. Like a chainsaw.
Loud as hell. They have some special bladder they use to make sound, its not some
limp wristed locust type wing rubbing noise, this is an honest to gawd
Entomylogican Rebel Yell.
there. y'all come back now, y hear?
howldog
Dick Thaxter
> Todd Bueler wrote:
>
>> >
>> > What the HE Double Hockey Sticks is a Cicada?
>
>> Les Cargill wrote:
>>
>> Those big green winged bugs that make a buzzing, rasping sound and leave molted
>> skins all over. Southerners also call 'em locusts.
>
>ER um no we certainly do NOT. Locusts are monstrous grasshoppers that travel in
>swarms and will eat up yer whole goddamned family if you dont hide inside the
>trailer.
Well even though we know what cicadas are we did always call them
17-year locusts where I grew up in Virginia. (I think it was 17-year, but
maybe it's 13)
Dick Thaxter
>
>Cicadas are these giant freaking bugs, the size of a small cigar. Greenish
>blackish, big wings. The larvae lives in the ground dormant for thirteen years
>before it wakes up, crawls up on a tree, splits it skin open and leaves those
>bizarre bug skeletons kids are always finding and wondering what the hell they are.
>Cicadas make the most infernal racket you ever heard in your life. Like a chainsaw.
>Loud as hell. They have some special bladder they use to make sound, its not some
>limp wristed locust type wing rubbing noise, this is an honest to gawd
>Entomylogican Rebel Yell.
That's the critters I'm talking about too.
howl dog
> Well even though we know what cicadas are we did always call them
> 17-year locusts where I grew up in Virginia. (I think it was 17-year, but
> maybe it's 13)
>
nice state, Virginia. Gorgeous countryside. smartest thing they ever did was realize,
er, um, no, let's de-annex all those trailers on the other side of the mountains....
we're far too intt innnttt intellllll srmat for those cuzzin marryers.
West Virginia, Mountain Mama......... did John Denver really know he was actually
singing about an episode from Penthouse letters inspired by Dolly Parton?
Les Cargill
howl dog wrote:
>
> Todd Bueler wrote:
>
> > >
> > > What the HE Double Hockey Sticks is a Cicada?
>
> > Les Cargill wrote:
> >
> > Those big green winged bugs that make a buzzing, rasping sound and leave molted
> > skins all over. Southerners also call 'em locusts.
>
> ER um no we certainly do NOT. Locusts are monstrous grasshoppers that travel in
> swarms and will eat up yer whole goddamned family if you dont hide inside the
> trailer.
>
I know that. Some people call the rasping green things locusts, though.
Tom Watson
Todd Bueler wrote:
> >
> > What the HE Double Hockey Sticks is a Cicada?
> Les Cargill wrote:
>
> Those big green winged bugs that make a buzzing, rasping sound and leave molted
> skins all over. Southerners also call 'em locusts.
Cicadas make the most infernal racket you ever heard in your life. Like a chainsaw.
Loud as hell. They have some special bladder they use to make sound, its not some
limp wristed locust type wing rubbing noise, this is an honest to gawd
Entomylogican Rebel Yell.there. y'all come back now, y hear?
howldog
Just think, ..........
If Scotsmen came with a special bladder like that we wouldn't have
bagpipes!
Tom
buffaloearl
I have a Taylor 314CE, and would love to warm it up, how much could one
expect to pay to have someone install a microphone and on-board
blender? or, am i better served by spending the money on a better
(under the saddle) pickup (these cool sounding b-band things everyone
is talkig about)? I've seen the posts on the do-it-yourself microphone
installations, but would rather have one output from the guitar, not
two....keep in mind, my wife is at a low tolerance for guitar purchases
for a while, so any suggestions must be budget conscious...
>
>
--
Practice and pray. that is my only hope
hed...@my-deja.com
rt...@loc.gov (Dick Thaxter) wrote:
[...]
>
> Well even though we know what cicadas are we did always call them
> 17-year locusts where I grew up in Virginia. (I think it was 17-year,
but
> maybe it's 13)
>
> Dick Thaxter
>
Cicadas come in several different species with different "incubation"
periods: seven, 13, and 17, I think. The also come in an annual variaty
(non-periodic). They are pretty much the B-52 of the North American
insect world. When we lived in Midland, Texas, I would shoot them out
of the trees with a pellet pistol but I had to quit when my Labrador
Retriever figured out that when I aimed the pistol a tasty treat was
likely to magically appear in the yard. I didn't want him consuming the
little lead pellets.
Harold
Dick Thaxter
Pellet guns for cicadas? No sport in that--why we used BB guns to shoot the wings off of
mosquitos back in Texas. (Not really but it sounded like a good comeback)
Actually I found a whole website devoted to Cicadas the other day along
with exactly when and where one can expect the next broods of the
13-year (or Dog-Day Cicadas) and 17-year varieties to hatch, etc.
BTW, there was more than one mention of dogs (and children for that
matter) using them as snack food. I think it said there was no danger
except that they (dogs and children, that is) might become engorged
on the feast.
It may be off topic, but it beats some other off-topic threads any day.
Dick Thaxter
Pete Kerezman
howl dog <how...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Cicadas are these giant freaking bugs...
Aw, man, i thought this was gonna be about one a them wild new
alternate tunings.
Texas Pete
Pete Kerezman (pete...@aol.com)
Casanovatron (R.W.)
flavor. I have never eaten cicadas themselves (although I have tried
others), but there is a group of people I saw on CNN once who are enamored
with cicadas, and will travel around to sites that are heavy with cicada
populations where they will gather them and prepare a buffet based around
them. As I mentioned earlier, dogs can become nautious from feasting on
cicadas.
jdm
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>
> howl dog <how...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Cicadas are these giant freaking bugs...
>
> Aw, man, i thought this was gonna be about one a them wild new
> alternate tunings.
>
You probably could get an "I" note out of one of those weird-looking BC Rich
things . . .
John M.
Tom
minor-league baseball game (Prince William Cannons, ne Potomac), and the
dang things were zooming all over the place, falling all over the field,
etc...man, that was BIZARRE! cool, though...
Regards.
Matt Seniff wrote:
> When I was living in Wash. DC area in the mid-80s there was an
> emergence of 17 year "locusts" (cicadas). The Washington Post ran
> articles with recipes for them. Apparently they are a bit of a
> delicacy to some Asian's and were even on the menu at some
> restaurants. They also caused a lot of traffic accidents etc. matt
Matt Seniff
Steve & Caren Comeau
Grateful Dead sing:
"Crickets and Cicadas sing a rare and different tune."
That said, here's that web page with a table that links to maps of cicadas
broods and distributions by year:
http://insects.ummz.lsa.umich.edu/fauna/Michigan_Cicadas/Periodical/Index.ht
ml
Looks like New Jersey's gonna see more in 2004. I remember the 1996 summer
of cicadas. It sounded like aliens had taken over the neighborhood. I even
taped some of it with my 4-track for grins.
All the best,
Steve Comeau
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