Learning really fast guitar parts
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>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 03:02:44 -0600
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>>I am trying to determine what is necessary to slow a tape recording >down
>but raise the pitch of the recording back up to the original >key. I know
>that the opposite is possible because certain companies >manufacture hand
>held recorders that have both a speed and pitch >control for listening to
>spoken word tapes. If the speaker is >speaking too slowly for your tastes
>you can speed up the tape and >then lower the pitch so that the result is
>a faster rate of speech but >no "chip munk" voice sound, just a normal
>voice. I want to do the >opposite, slow musical pieces down but raise the
>pitch to the >original key. the purpose of this is to learn super fast
>guitar parts >that I can play if I can determine what is being played but
>my ear >(brain) is not fast enough to hear all the notes and remember the
>>sequence of them. If any one has any ideas please do not hesitate to
>>email me at ggr...@utmem1.utmem.edu, and thanx in advance.
Hey Gene!
I usually just use the pitch control on my cassette deck to slow the riffs
down....From there, you can usually hear how many notes are being played, and
the pitch (higher or lower)....Then, I just transpose it to whatever key it
was recorded in....Another great helping hand is a CD player w/ an A-B
function....There is not too many new models that have this (too bad too)...
but what you do, is press A at the place where the part you want to learn
starts, and play 'till the part ends....Then press B....The player will keep
playing the solo, or whatever you're doing over, and over repeatedly 'till you
stop it....It is a great memorization tool, as you keep on hearing the piece
over, and over again....Hope this helps.....
Bye...Best...Mark...
Fred Louderman
lower for practicing. Homespun tapes sells it 1-800-33-tapes for info. I
don't have it - can't afford it $250 but homespun tapes is a very
reputable company IMHO
Carl Christensen
slow it down electronically. I do this all the time. Look for
a program called "Cool Wave," it can slow down passages without
dropping the pitch! I imagine most people in these groups have
a computer of some kind and it's not to hard to rig up your CD
or tape player to sample into any sort of soundcard to do this.
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Gene Grace
but raise the pitch of the recording back up to the original >key. I know
that the opposite is possible because certain companies >manufacture hand
held recorders that have both a speed and pitch >control for listening to
spoken word tapes. If the speaker is >speaking too slowly for your tastes
you can speed up the tape and >then lower the pitch so that the result is
a faster rate of speech but >no "chip munk" voice sound, just a normal
voice. I want to do the >opposite, slow musical pieces down but raise the
pitch to the >original key. the purpose of this is to learn super fast
guitar parts >that I can play if I can determine what is being played but
my ear >(brain) is not fast enough to hear all the notes and remember the
>sequence of them. If any one has any ideas please do not hesitate to
>email me at ggr...@utmem1.utmem.edu, and thanx in advance.
I Posted the text above to several audio tech groups. I an posting this
message to guitar oriented groups to ask if anyone has any suggestions or
tricks on how to train the ear (brain) to hear, differentiate and remember
fast lead licks, at least long enough to write down the tabs for future
reference. again please don't hesitate to emeil me at
ggr...@utmem1.utmem.edu, and thanx in advance.
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: >I am trying to determine what is necessary to slow a tape recording >down
: but raise the pitch of the recording back up to the original >key.
Digital (or other) delay element. Instead of reading it back at a lower
rate than it was written into, you play it back at a faster rate. This
involves playing back the sample multiple times, so you do get a small
glitch.
That's the simplest way.
--mike
Shannon Lawson
Radio Shack sells a mini-cassette recorder with a half-speed mode
(one octave down) for under $50. Admittedly, it's "lo-fi" but it works.
You might also check out a player that Ibanez makes. It's got a speed
control on it, and you can dial about any speed from normal down to
half. I think it's well under $200, and it includes built-in distortion
and chorus effects. You can even plug in your guitar and one other
instrument (bass/guitar) to jam along with the tape. Very handy, but
it doesn't record! Musician's Friend has it: (800) 776-5173.
Good luck!
Shannon
Dreadful_Grape
<fred...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> There is a cassette player that slows down the speed of a song one octove
> lower for practicing. Homespun tapes sells it 1-800-33-tapes for info. I
> don't have it - can't afford it $250 but homespun tapes is a very
> reputable company IMHO
Here's an idea to consider...if you can afford to buy the hardware! Use
the tape machine that slows down your tune to 1/2 speed... and drops the
pitch an octave... then send the signal through one of those voice
harmonic generators... which should raise the pitch back up an octave. If
this works you should have original pitch... at half the playing speed.
Talk to someone who is knowledgable about these gadgets before you spend a
lot of bucks tho...
Cheers..... Chuck Weston
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Dreadful_Grape
> There is a cassette player that slows down the speed of a song one octove
> lower for practicing. Homespun tapes sells it 1-800-33-tapes for info. I
> don't have it - can't afford it $250 but homespun tapes is a very
> reputable company IMHO
I attempted to reply to this message earlier, but my mail application
balked at one of the group addresses: alt.guitar.tab??
Any way here's the gist of the other message if it dowesn't show up.
Here's an idea to consider, if you can afford the hardware! Use the tape
recorder mentioned above, to slow the speed down to 1/2, and the pitch
will lower one octave. Then send the signal through one of those harmonic
voice effects which produces a second harmonic. This should get you're
pitch back to normal... and the tune will be at half speed.
Talk to someone knowledgable about these devices before you spend big
bucks tho... this idea may not work!! Would'nt be the first time!!
Cheers.... Chuck Weston
Chris Neff
If you have a sound card there is a shareware program called "Cool Edit"
that will let you loop a section of a song and slow it down without
changing pitch. I use this program all the time for working stuff out.
Cheers!!
Nick Bensema
Gene Grace <ggr...@utmem1.utmem.edu> wrote:
:>I am trying to determine what is necessary to slow a tape recording >down
:that the opposite is possible because certain companies >manufacture hand
:held recorders that have both a speed and pitch >control for listening to
:spoken word tapes. If the speaker is >speaking too slowly for your tastes
:you can speed up the tape and >then lower the pitch so that the result is
:a faster rate of speech but >no "chip munk" voice sound, just a normal
:pitch to the >original key. the purpose of this is to learn super fast
:guitar parts >that I can play if I can determine what is being played but
:my ear >(brain) is not fast enough to hear all the notes and remember the
:>sequence of them. If any one has any ideas please do not hesitate to
:>email me at ggr...@utmem1.utmem.edu, and thanx in advance.
I can tell you this. If you halve the speed, everything goes down exactly one
octave. Everything. (Or so is my understanding.)
Of course, it will make about eleven notes untestable, and anything below the
twelfth fret would have to be transposed to a different string anyway. But if
you can recognize pitch, you can write the notes down, and copy them down as
tab.... or something. And I bet there is a better slowing ratio that will
only set you down, like, a few whole-steps... I'm just not smart enough to
know it. :)
I think there are also a bunch of Windows programs that will let you do that
kind of thing if you know how to pipe that stuff into the microphone port.
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HOWEVER if CDs had been avalible I would have used A B repeat.Technics and
some other brands have this feature. You use the button to isolate the
note or two you want to transcribe and it repeats over and over untill the
slam of the back door and the race of the engine tells ya that shes had
it.But really its like shooting fish in a barrell( at the rigt pitch).I
find it best to work a phrase at a time, using pause to switch between
listening and playing. Remember when looking in the pawn shops to get this
machine get one with the AB button on the remote,you won't even have to
leave the coutch to get them Phish.
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Will Higgins
says...
>
>>I am trying to determine what is necessary to slow a tape recording >down
>but raise the pitch of the recording back up to the original >key. I know
>that the opposite is possible because certain companies >manufacture hand
>held recorders that have both a speed and pitch >control for listening to
>spoken word tapes. If the speaker is >speaking too slowly for your tastes
>you can speed up the tape and >then lower the pitch so that the result is
>a faster rate of speech but >no "chip munk" voice sound, just a normal
>voice. I want to do the >opposite, slow musical pieces down but raise the
>pitch to the >original key. the purpose of this is to learn super fast
>guitar parts >that I can play if I can determine what is being played but
>my ear >(brain) is not fast enough to hear all the notes and remember the
>>sequence of them. If any one has any ideas please do not hesitate to
>>email me at ggr...@utmem1.utmem.edu, and thanx in advance.
>
>message to guitar oriented groups to ask if anyone has any suggestions or
>tricks on how to train the ear (brain) to hear, differentiate and remember
>fast lead licks, at least long enough to write down the tabs for future
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Jack D Deupree
(Dreadful_Grape) writes:
>
>In article <4e1fia$3...@ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, Fred Louderman
><fred...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
I have *not* tried it but I heard that cool151.zip a shareware
program allows you to slow down the part without changing the
intonation. This would make learning the blistering parts easy.
Cool151.zip can be found by entering the WEB and searching for
"cool151" I prefer alta-vista search.
Thom Pettigrew 's 2 cents
RussSwanson
without changing the pitch, or...
Get a traditional tape player with speed control. Learn the lick, and
transpose it (your learning the "pattern" of the lick, not the actual
notes), or...
Do it the old fashioned way, and just listen to the run over, and over,
and over, and over............
Sven
Scott Thompson
D Deupree ) wrote:
> I have *not* tried it but I heard that cool151.zip a shareware
> program allows you to slow down the part without changing the
> intonation. This would make learning the blistering parts easy.
> Cool151.zip can be found by entering the WEB and searching for
> "cool151" I prefer alta-vista search.
Cool Edit 1.52 available at:
http://www.netzone.com/syntrillium/
Scott Thompson______
stho...@olympus.net
bru...@tic.ab.ca
>Get a digital recorder/player....
You can also record the part you want to learn onto a reel-to-reel (if
you have access to one that is) at half speed. The notes remain the
same but are an octave lower. I've tried it and it works like a damn.
Bryan Eggers
> :but raise the pitch of the recording back up to the original >key.
There is an inexpensive shareware program called COOL EDIT. I think
the latest version is 1.52. First, you capture the audio using Cool
Edit (through your sound card). Then, Cool Edit can reduce the speed
of the file WITHOUT CHANGING THE PITCH. It's all interactive so
you can try different things quickly. This is pretty damned
amazing if you ask me! I have used it many times to learn complicated
guitar licks. It has a lot of other options that I've found useful in
learning tunes. I'm not associated with the company, but just
thought I'd mention it since I've found that it works exactly as
advertised.
Bryan
Jan Baert
>
> In this age of computers it makes more sense to sample the riff and
> slow it down electronically. I do this all the time. Look for
> a program called "Cool Wave," it can slow down passages without
> dropping the pitch! I imagine most people in these groups have
> a computer of some kind and it's not to hard to rig up your CD
> or tape player to sample into any sort of soundcard to do this.
>
If you are using an Apple Macintosh a program such as Soundedit Pro
can do the same thing. You can sample the riff using the mike of your
Mac (or even plugging your guitar straight into your computer) and then
slow it down without changing the pitch. Using a computer
is indeed much more interesting because you can manipulate the part
you have recorded much easier then with a tape recorder. You can repeat
it endlessly for instance untill your ear (brain) knows what it's all
about.
Jan Baert (Belgium)
Ian Azrikan
allows you to "Stretch" the tempo of a recorded sound file to slow it
down without changing pitch, among other things. A previous version
(1.3x I think) did not work correctly for me, but 1.52 did the trick.
It is very cool and does it ever make it easier to learn for those of
us who aren't Eric Clapton (yet!).
Ian
Paul Gregory
> In article <ggrace-2301...@vgrace.utmem.edu>,
> Gene Grace <ggr...@utmem1.utmem.edu> wrote:
> :but raise the pitch of the recording back up to the original >key.
AKAI make (or used to make - I'm not sure whether they still do) a gadget
called a U4 Phrase Trainer which allows you to record about 7 seconds from
your source recording and play this section back in pitch at a speed of your
choosing. It also allows you to to manually "walk through" the recorded
section and stop on any note. The sound quality isn't great but I've found
it adequate to enable me to make very accurate transcriptions of fast passages
of music. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Paul Gregory
pgre...@datlog.co.uk
Douglas Meyer
>
> If you have a sound card there is a shareware program called "Cool Edit"
> changing pitch. I use this program all the time for working stuff out.
>
> Cheers!!
Would that be for Windows or Mac?
If Mac, where would one find it.?
It sounds great
Cheers back!
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> Hi, you can use simply the Ibanez Rock ´n Play Tape Player. Contact your
local
guitar dealer. You can slow down the tape with a switch to half speed. The
delivery includes a demo tape with music from Steve Vai (very quick). He can
play 100 european Guitar String meters in less than 8 seconds :)) Have fun!!
Rainer Goeritz
Brian Meldrum
: ca...@netaxs.com (Carl Christensen) wrote:
: >
: > In this age of computers it makes more sense to sample the riff and
: > slow it down electronically. I do this all the time. Look for
: > a program called "Cool Wave," it can slow down passages without
: > dropping the pitch! I imagine most people in these groups have
: > a computer of some kind and it's not to hard to rig up your CD
: > or tape player to sample into any sort of soundcard to do this.
: >
: If you are using an Apple Macintosh a program such as Soundedit Pro
: can do the same thing. You can sample the riff using the mike of your
: Mac (or even plugging your guitar straight into your computer) and then
: slow it down without changing the pitch. Using a computer
M.A. Martin
discussion is occurring now; here goes ----
Get a $550 digital recorder for $30.00 folks!
No kidding. However you need a Mac (preferably a powerMac).
Credits:
This idea mainly originated from (and many thanks to):
Mr. Jay Rose (http://www.tiac.net/users/jcrose)
(Mr. Rose is a Clio/Emmy Winning recording engineer
who is a regular contributor to many sound-related
usegroups; especially rec.audio.pro)
The app "SoundHack" was written by Tom Erbe
(http://music.calarts.edu/~tre)
Mr. Erbe has assisted me in getting this to work. This app
is your $550.00 digital recorder!
Shareware fee: $30.00 or a piece of original music/etc
created with Soundhack
The app "SoundMachine" was written by Rod Kennedy
(you don't really need this to do the job, but it makes
playback convenient)
Shareware fee: $10.00
The app "Eartraining" was written by Lars Peters
(Lars_...@magicvillage.de)
(This will allow you to train your ear so that you can
recognize the musical intervals in your lengthened licks!)
Highly recommended!
Probably available from Harmony Central
Shareware fee: $10.00 or a good CD
Here's how to do it:
1. Download the shareware application "SoundHack".
2. Note: you'd be well advised to pay the $30.00 shareware fee to
get the PPC version of SoundHack and support the author.
IMPORTANT: The PPC version can process 5 seconds worth of sound
in approx 30 sec. (very rough guess). The 68K co-processor
version is 7-10 x slower. If you have a PPC machine and want
to try the program out, use the non-coprocessor version - but this
runs at a glacial speed. If you try to use the 68K co-p version
on a PPC with SoftWare FPU it is even slower - be prepared to
watch the life forms around you evolve if you do this.
3. With SoundHack you can either record from a microphone, or just
drop your CD in your Mac and dump any segment you'd like to
slow down directly to the hard disk. Hint: if you have trouble
dumping the CD sample - make sure you're saving it to the
hard disk and not trying to dump it to the CD.
4. Under the "Hack" menu bar, choose "Phase Vocoder" and set the
"Scaling" parameter to the factor that you wish to slow down
your sample by. For example; if you wish to slow it down
by a factor of two, enter "2". Make sure the "Time Scale"
button is active (rather than the "Pitch Scale").
5. Hit the "Process" button. The program will go through the math
necessary to lengthen the lick without changing the pitch. Again
this can be rather slow on a 68K machine.
6. Now you can play back the processed file - it will play at half
speed
but with the same pitch. You can use Soundhack to do this, but
Soundhack does not let you "reverse" playback, or quickly jump back
2-3 seconds during a playback - essential things for listening over
an over again to an elusive lick. For this I'd recommend
"SoundMachine" which does a good job.
Using the above approach I've been able to decipher complex guitar
passages with relative ease - licks that I doubt I'd be able to comp
otherwise!
Misc. Stuff:
In getting the above to work I downloaded at least 20 different apps
and tried them all - this represents the best approach IMHO.
Again, many many thanks to Jay Rose, Tom Erbe and Lars Peters for their
personal communication/help. I am constantly amazed at the kindness
and generosity of professionals on the Net (many of whom, like Jay Rose
are at the top of their field) toward amateurs.
Note: Mac Performas will play back only 8 bit processed sound whereas
PowerMacs are fully 16 bit. I've tried them both, and there is not a
huge
difference in the slow-mo playback quality. But having a full 16 bit
audio path was enough to make me sell my Performa and get a PowerMac
7200.
The $550.00 lick recorder I referred to at the beginning is made by
Ridge runner products and advertised in the back of Guitar player
magazine
(1-800-FRET PRO, price taken from a July '94 issue). I've never tried
it but since it's dedicated to lick transcription I would imagine it
should work better and more efficiently than the above approach. Has
anyone bought one? Usually there's no free lunch. Of course at the
top of this posting I failed to mention that I spent over six times the
cost of this recorder on my PowerMac! I've tried the Ibanez digital
recorder (whichdoes change pitch with slowdown) and IMHO found the sound
quality horrible.
In order to translate the lengthened licks to your guitar you need a
good ear - in order to develop this I'd recommend "Eartraining" This
app
is excellent and IMHO better than any of the commercial demos I've down-
loaded.
Standard Disclaimer: the opinions expressed in this posting are mine
alone; so please don't threaten to sue me, anyone else mentioned in this
message, or my service provider!
Gregory Tucker-Kellogg
: CoolEdit 1.52 is the latest shareware version at this writing, and it
: allows you to "Stretch" the tempo of a recorded sound file to slow it
: down without changing pitch, among other things. A previous version
: (1.3x I think) did not work correctly for me, but 1.52 did the trick.
The beta version for Win95, which I downloaded yesterday, did a nice
job. But I wasn't able to sample directly from my CD-ROM. I suppose
I could run a jumper from the speaker port to the line-in of my sound
card, but is that really necessary?
Can Cool Edit do the sampling, or do I need a separate sampling
software package?
--
Gregory Tucker-Kellogg
Department of Biological Chemistry and Molecular Pharmacology
Harvard Medical School, Boston MA 02115
Jeffrey Rice
>> :>I am trying to determine what is necessary to slow a tape recording
>>down
>> :but raise the pitch of the recording back up to the original >key.
>
>the latest version is 1.52. First, you capture the audio using Cool
>Edit (through your sound card). Then, Cool Edit can reduce the speed
>of the file WITHOUT CHANGING THE PITCH. It's all interactive so
>you can try different things quickly. This is pretty damned
>amazing if you ask me! I have used it many times to learn complicated
Yeah, this is great. I can get Leo to slow down to the point
where I can really clearly make each note. You can get it from
http://www.acs.oakland.edu/oak/SimTel/win3/sound.html, just choose
cool152.zip.
The way you do it is this:
1) record the clip into a WAV file
2) load CoolEdit -- the shareware version only allows you to select 2
options. Choose the 1st and 3rd options -- save and stretching,
something like that.
3) load your file, then under "Transform", choose "Stretch". Select
how much you'd like to slow it down. (make sure you select the same
values for initial and final.)
4) Wait. It may take awhile -- my P5/60 took about 17 minutes to slow
Egg Tooth down to 1/2 speed.
5) You can save the stretched file as you like when it's done. The
resulting quality isn't too bad.
____________________________________________________________
Jeffrey Rice | "Easy does it!"
Chemistry, '97 | jr...@pomona.edu
Pomona College | http://www.webcom.com/~jrice
Luv24fun
Andrew Burgess
guitar tablature. There is a repeat in the piece, but I don't know the
sign for repeat in tab. Is it the same as in sheet? Please E-mail me if
you have an answer.
Thanks
Brian Christopher
>
> I have an idea for learning fast guitar parts.........PRACTICE!!!!
--
That brings up the question how do you practice to learn?
Do you learn someone elses licks or do you come up with your own
configuration? I think personality is what makes a guitar player.
Brian K. Christopher
Brett Whiston
This is how I do my repeats
||-------------------||
||-------------------||
|%-------------------%|
|%-------------------%|
||-------------------||
||-------------------||
The '%' is similar to the way a repeat sign is used in a bar of
standard music.
David Kaatz
>>There is an inexpensive shareware program called COOL EDIT. I think
>>the latest version is 1.52. First, you capture the audio using Cool
>>Edit (through your sound card). Then, Cool Edit can reduce the speed
>>of the file WITHOUT CHANGING THE PITCH.
> Yeah, this is great. I can get Leo to slow down to the point
>where I can really clearly make each note. You can get it from
>http://www.acs.oakland.edu/oak/SimTel/win3/sound.html, just choose
>cool152.zip.
etc deleted.
Be warned, though, to use this on a whole song (gotta be fairly long
to take up 17 minutes of processing on a Pentium!) really will use up
a lot of hard disk space! You should make sure you have a handy
temporary directory available for storing such files. I imagine this
would take over 50 meg for a whole song, before you stretch it. I
recently saved like 40 seconds of a tune, and it takes 2.8 meg before
even stretching it out. An excerpt of this, stretched to 8 sec. long
from about 6 sec. takes up almost 1.25 meg of disk.
Asko Lammentausta
: I'm transcribing a piece of Classical guitar sheet music into
: guitar tablature. There is a repeat in the piece, but I don't know the
: sign for repeat in tab. Is it the same as in sheet? Please E-mail me if
: you have an answer.
: Thanks
Just write 'and that bit is played x times' or that kinda thing.
But if you're doing it for commercial kinda thing, but
|--------|
|--------|
|:------:|-|
|:---7--:|
|----7---|:---7--:|
|----5---|
hope this helps
cherri ni chanda
both. this was the biggest obstacle 4 me in learning: learning the right
way 2 learn.
y took lessons from a local guy, which was a really good set up - he was
real cheap, it was 1-on-1, & he was very knowledgeable. but he was also
a bit old (like in his 50s), but damn he knew the blues.
anyway, he used 2 tell me 'u need 2 study this or that', study solos,
but y didnt kno what y was looking 4. at the same time y was taking
music y had written 2 him & had him tell me what needed fixing, but y
just wasnt getting it. so y guess really at the time it may have been 2
much: learning 2 b an effective songwriter, learning an instrument, &
learning music theory.
study ur scales, then try 2 figure out solos not just by tabbing them
out, but by seeing how they use their scales.
y was going 2 say something else, but y started rambling & forgot what.
--
y hope u luv
Tormod Eikill
> Brian Christopher wrote:
> >
> > In article <4f7n4e$c...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, luv2...@aol.com says...
> > >
> > > I have an idea for learning fast guitar parts.........PRACTICE!!!!
> >
> > --
> > That brings up the question how do you practice to learn?
> > Do you learn someone elses licks or do you come up with your own
> > configuration? I think personality is what makes a guitar player.
>
What´s the point in playing fast?
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Kevin S. Stump
>
> I'm transcribing a piece of Classical guitar sheet music into
> guitar tablature. There is a repeat in the piece, but I don't know the
> sign for repeat in tab. Is it the same as in sheet? Please E-mail me if
> you have an answer.
> Thanks
>
the same as the traditional staff repeat sign. A colon and a double bar. To repeat the previous
measure, just use a percent sign.
roland kaus
I suggest you should 1st write it, e.g. repeat part 1 ,
2nd you can use the same symbol as in normal written music, e.g.
---|
---|
-*-|
---|
-*-|
---|
Thats the way I do it...
regards Roland
Thomas F Brown
>>
>What´s the point in playing fast?
Chicks dig it.
You can cram in more notes per second.
Songs are over sooner when you play them fast.
Port'o'Chael
I *knew* somebody would bring it up. The argument that never
dies. Why NOT? What's the point in playing slow? What's
the point in playing at all? Who cares? That's not what he
asked.
I learned some quicker parts by simply listening over and
over again to the section, picking out a note or two at a time.
Slowing it down would probably be easier, but I never have had
that technology available when I want to do that. It's a bit
tedious, but persistance and patience will pay off.
---Michael...
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Thomas F Brown
>>much: learning 2 b an effective songwriter, learning an instrument, &
>>learning music theory.
>>
>>study ur scales, then try 2 figure out solos not just by tabbing them
>>out, but by seeing how they use their scales.
>>
>>y was going 2 say something else, but y started rambling & forgot what.
>>
>>--
>>y hope u luv
>Beowulf the first time than these bastardized spellings of my beloved English
>language. Colloquialism is fine, but when you can no longer be understood, you
>have to revert to real English. Don't mean to be harsh, but it would make
>posts easier to read. $.02\
But not nearly as precious. And how else would you know she's a teenager?
Tim Stannard
writes:
> So what's the point in playing slow?
>
> 1) You don't get dissed by people who can't play fast.
> 2) Gives you plenty of time to make 'agony' faces to simulate emotion
> 3) Songs last so long that the audience forgets you've been playing
> the exact same note over the last 5 choruses
> 4) Less wear and tear on your 'vintage' guitar
> 5) You can become really famous as Neil Young's backup guitarist
> 6) You learn to respect the incredible fretboard agility of Boxcar Willie
7) You can avoid Repetititititive Strain Injury
And, 8) if you work it right, you can get people to say really cool things
about you like - He may only play two notes per minute, but both of those
notes really MEAN something.
--
Tim Stannard
wyni...@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu
>learning music theory.
>
>study ur scales, then try 2 figure out solos not just by tabbing them
>out, but by seeing how they use their scales.
>
>y was going 2 say something else, but y started rambling & forgot what.
>
>--
>y hope u luv
You may have a point in what you say, however, I had an easier time reading
Beowulf the first time than these bastardized spellings of my beloved English
language. Colloquialism is fine, but when you can no longer be understood, you
have to revert to real English. Don't mean to be harsh, but it would make
posts easier to read. $.02\
Jon Wilson
: In article <teikill-1102...@drammensnett102.telepost.no> tei...@telepost.no (Tormod Eikill) writes:
: >>
: >What´s the point in playing fast?
: Chicks dig it.
: You can cram in more notes per second.
: Songs are over sooner when you play them fast.
So what's the point in playing slow?
1) You don't get dissed by people who can't play fast.
2) Gives you plenty of time to make 'agony' faces to simulate emotion
3) Songs last so long that the audience forgets you've been playing
the exact same note over the last 5 choruses
4) Less wear and tear on your 'vintage' guitar
5) You can become really famous as Neil Young's backup guitarist
6) You learn to respect the incredible fretboard agility of Boxcar Willie
--
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|< j...@pine.cse.nau.edu ++ Jon Wilson, CSEE Major >|
| Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff, Arizona, USA |
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Matt Seniff
>In article: <4fqei6$n...@pine.cse.nau.edu> j...@pine.cse.nau.edu (Jon Wilson)
>writes:
>> So what's the point in playing slow?
>>
>> 1) You don't get dissed by people who can't play fast.
>> 2) Gives you plenty of time to make 'agony' faces to simulate emotion
>> 3) Songs last so long that the audience forgets you've been playing
>> the exact same note over the last 5 choruses
>> 4) Less wear and tear on your 'vintage' guitar
>> 5) You can become really famous as Neil Young's backup guitarist
>> 6) You learn to respect the incredible fretboard agility of Boxcar Willie
>7) You can avoid Repetititititive Strain Injury
>And, 8) if you work it right, you can get people to say really cool things
>about you like - He may only play two notes per minute, but both of those
>notes really MEAN something.
9) If you play slow it makes the stuff you did play fast sound much
more impressive (gives your audience a reference point).
Seriously tho' there are times when playing fast gets your point
across as well as times when playing slow is appropriate. For me
variations in tempo and volume say more than all out volume or speed
alone will. matt
>--
>Tim Stannard
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giri iyengar
>What´s the point in playing fast?
>
>Tormod Eikill
So you can go into music stores an *burn* on the Jacksons, dude!
What else?
.Giri
Richard Warren
>tei...@telepost.no (Tormod Eikill) wrote:
You're right, I mean what's the point in playing at all? :)
--
Richard Warren
ric...@central.co.uk
giri iyengar
>Songs are over sooner when you play them fast.
Goddamn! That has to be the *best* reason I have ever heard!!!
ROTFL!!!!!!
.Giri
Cliff Mayes
write down in a form of TAB that means some thing to you and practice
them SLOWLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It really is true, your fingers have to learn the shapes/sound etc and
they can only do this slowly. The speed really will take care of its
self.
You also need stacks of perseverence and strength of character to keep
it up.
Its worth it.
>
--
Cliff Mayes
Carl Christensen
and disk space. For example, if you're learning a guitar riff you
really don't need to sample 16 bit resolution at 48K, you can probably
make do quite fine at 8 bits/11 or 22K. That will save quite a bit of
time and space!
--
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