Gibson Les Paul faded yellow double cutaway neck joint
JR
I wonder if the reissue has the same weak neck joint that the originals had?
I can move it a little but it doesn't seem weak to me.
I love this guitar, just bought it at $650 in San Ash. It has a loud natural
acoustic voice that makes it impossible to leave the guitar alone for very
long. The whole body (of the guitar...) resonates and sings with every tone
you play and the P-90 pickups deliver a nicely balanced twangy but still
full sound that's so great for Blues, Rock, country pickin', whatever.
Jim Radmer
www.radmer.dk
Don Evans
"JR" <jrad@NO_SPAMradmer.dk> wrote in message
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As I remember, the original weak necked ones (I owned one, actually) had the
pickup in the "normal" position, right at the end of the fretboard. The
faded ones I've seen have the pickup 3/4 of an inch or more from the board.
Yeah, it might move more than a tele, but there's a lot more wood there than
in the original TV model. Mine had been broken and repainted, by the way,
and it still didn't feel very stable, so I didn't keep it. Love that p90
bridge pickup!
Don
Nil
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> As I remember, the original weak necked ones (I owned one,
> actually) had the pickup in the "normal" position, right at the
> end of the fretboard. The faded ones I've seen have the pickup
> 3/4 of an inch or more from the board.
I would think this might negatively affect the sound of the neck
pickup. Wasn't that one of big complaints about the Les Paul DC model
from a few years back, that the pickup was moved toward the bridge too
much and out of the sweet zone?
Pete Kerezman
I got mine in "worn cherry," a contradiction in terms, eh, and I
agree as to the "acoustic voice." In view of the neck pickup
placement (too far from the fingerboard) I'd have to say that the neck
joint is less weak but I got no experience with the originals.
However I'll let you know about the strength and all soon's I have to
lay out a drunk with mine. I can't (won't) try to move it without
being properly motivated.
My experience so far is that the neck pickup sounds too much like
the bridge pickup to make for much variety of tone, and I blame the
tonally ill-conceived placement thereof. Blending of the volume and
tone controls in the two-pickup position helps some but I'm not seein'
a whole lot of versatility. I'll grab mine mainly when I got da blues
or feel a need to play loud, sloppy, good ol' fashioned rock'n'roll.
To me, this axe is like a one trick pony whose one trick is very,
very good. I think of it as a "moderne" version of one a them Juniors
from the old daze and that's a good thang, but for tonal versatility
I'll stil take a Strat or a reasonable facsimile thereof.
Texas Pete
Pete Kerezman
I got mine in "worn cherry," a contradiction in terms, eh, and I
Dan Stanley
"Nil" <redn...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> On 05 Sep 2003, "Don Evans" <gtrdo...@aol.com> wrote in
> news:10627927...@newshost03.voicenet.com:
>
> > As I remember, the original weak necked ones (I owned one,
> > actually) had the pickup in the "normal" position, right at the
> > end of the fretboard. The faded ones I've seen have the pickup
> > 3/4 of an inch or more from the board.
>
> I would think this might negatively affect the sound of the neck
> pickup.
Eh. *Most* of the old ones were like that, so it's at least going to sound
like the old ones, so it's hard to say it's a "negative effect". An effect,
sure, but not necessarily negative or positive.
> Wasn't that one of big complaints about the Les Paul DC model
> from a few years back, that the pickup was moved toward the bridge too
> much and out of the sweet zone?
It wasn't so much that it was out of the "sweet zone" ( I don't know that
there really is such a thing), but that it was out of THE PLACE WHERE IT
BELONGED IF YER GONNA GET LP SOUNDS OUT THE DANG THING. The idea of a
double-cut LP was great, but between the 24fret neck, necessitating the
moved the pickup, and the single volume and tone control, the end result
really wasn't much like an LP.
Gibson could have had a winner, there, but instead had a wiener. Probably
shouldn't have called it a "Les Paul", it might have flown better.
Man, I *wanted* to like that model. Imagine a guitar that sounds like an LP,
feels like an LP, but with way better access up there in the wheedly zone.
If anyone from Gibson is reading this, please try again...get rid of the
extra frets, get the pickup where it belongs, give it a pair of volumes and
a pair of tones, and get it to market. If you build it, they will come.
Dan
Nil
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> Eh. *Most* of the old ones were like that, so it's at least going
> to sound like the old ones, so it's hard to say it's a "negative
> effect". An effect, sure, but not necessarily negative or
> positive.
So, some of the old ones had the neck pickup farther from the bridge
than some others did? Interesting!
I'm interested in this guitar, because I've been missing my first
decent guitar, an early '60s SG Jr., with it's single P90. And I've
always yearned for Townsend's Leeds sound. I thought this might be a
good substitute.
> Man, I *wanted* to like that model. Imagine a guitar that sounds
> like an LP, feels like an LP, but with way better access up there
> in the wheedly zone. If anyone from Gibson is reading this, please
> try again...get rid of the extra frets, get the pickup where it
> belongs, give it a pair of volumes and a pair of tones, and get it
> to market. If you build it, they will come.
I don't needor want those extra frets. 22 are enough for me. I have a
PRS CE24 that I can't grow to love, and I blame it on the extra frets
and the repositioned neck pickup. I need to sell that thing, it's just
collecting dust.
Dan Stanley
> On 05 Sep 2003, "Dan Stanley" <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:eT86b.457$KX6...@nwrdny03.gnilink.net:
>
> > Eh. *Most* of the old ones were like that, so it's at least going
> > to sound like the old ones, so it's hard to say it's a "negative
> > effect". An effect, sure, but not necessarily negative or
> > positive.
>
> So, some of the old ones had the neck pickup farther from the bridge
> than some others did? Interesting!
Yup. The first batch(es) had the pickup right up at the bottom of the neck.
This left for a very short and thin neck tenon, and lots of guitars ended up
with snapped off necks. So Gibson pretty quickly moved the pickup back a
little, made the tenon thicker and longer and they all lived happily ever
after.
> I'm interested in this guitar, because I've been missing my first
> decent guitar, an early '60s SG Jr., with it's single P90. And I've
> always yearned for Townsend's Leeds sound. I thought this might be a
> good substitute.
Probably would be, but I think Gibson does offer a stripped down SG Special
or Junior, you might want to track one down instead. Skinnier body, that's
probably going to be the biggest difference.
> > Man, I *wanted* to like that model. Imagine a guitar that sounds
> > like an LP, feels like an LP, but with way better access up there
> > in the wheedly zone. If anyone from Gibson is reading this, please
> > try again...get rid of the extra frets, get the pickup where it
> > belongs, give it a pair of volumes and a pair of tones, and get it
> > to market. If you build it, they will come.
>
> I don't needor want those extra frets. 22 are enough for me. I have a
> PRS CE24 that I can't grow to love, and I blame it on the extra frets
> and the repositioned neck pickup. I need to sell that thing, it's just
> collecting dust.
I'm too much of a geezer, but in the case of the PRS I'd probably tell
myself that it is what it is...is ISN'T a LP, so it shouldn't be expected to
sound like one, you know? But yeah, the sounds I grew up with, and want to
make myself, are pretty much all from the guitars that have become
classics...Teles, Strats, LPs. Stray too far from the basics of what makes
them what they are, and the sounds just don't move me.
Dan
Dana Craft
Dana
Catalina Thunders
Dana Craft wrote:
> My TV Yellow DC LP only has 22 frets. I counted them - twice.
>
> Dana
>
>
ALL Les Pauls AFAIK have 22 frets. Maybe back in
the hair days they might have built a 24 fret
version, but I really don't think so. The neck pup
got moved for structural reasons, as someone else
mentioned.
Nunya Bidni
"Catalina Thunders" <thunde...@nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Rest assured the LPDCs that were being discussed (and are still being made)
are indeed 24 fret guitars.
-nyb
Catalina Thunders
Dan Stanley wrote:
> "Nil" <redn...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>>Wasn't that one of big complaints about the Les Paul DC model
>>from a few years back, that the pickup was moved toward the bridge too
>>much and out of the sweet zone?
>
>
> It wasn't so much that it was out of the "sweet zone" ( I don't know that
> there really is such a thing),
There is. Highly subjective of course, but the
spot where the 24th fret would be generally
acknowledged as the "sweet zone", & that is where
the neck pup is on Strats & Pauls. Not on Teles
though, which btw is why you can't get a 5th fret
harmonic amplified on the front pup of one.
Catalina Thunders
Nunya Bidni wrote:
I totally didn't believe that, so I went to
Gibson's web site to be sure -- I'll be darned,
you are correct! Sorry 'bout that...
Cheers,
Cat
Catalina Thunders
Catalina Thunders wrote:
OOPS! Not so fast -- the "Faded" model is 22
frets, the others are 24.
http://www.gibson.com/products/gibson/lespaul/lpfd.html
Cheers Again,
Cat
Nobody
Nunya Bidni <botherso...@home.com> wrote in article <rKa6b.19162$Ih1.7...@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>...
> Rest assured the LPDCs that were being discussed (and are still being made) are indeed 24 fret guitars.
> -nyb
But not the subject of the guitar in this thread, which is the Gibson Les Paul faded yellow double cutaway.
22 frets.
Nobody
Catalina Thunders <thunde...@nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote in article
> I totally didn't believe that, so I went to
> Gibson's web site to be sure -- I'll be darned,
> you are correct! Sorry 'bout that...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cat
You were right.
The LPDC FADED is 22 frets.
The LPDC is 24.
Catalina Thunders
Nobody wrote:
> Catalina Thunders <thunde...@nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote in article
>
>
>>I totally didn't believe that, so I went to
>>Gibson's web site to be sure -- I'll be darned,
>>you are correct! Sorry 'bout that...
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Cat
>
>
> You were right.
>
> The LPDC FADED is 22 frets.
>
> The LPDC is 24.
>
> http://www.gibson.com/products/gibson/lespaul/dblcuts.html
>
I was wrong about *all* LP's being 22 frets
though. I am surprised they make a 24 fret DC. If
they can make a satisfactory '61 SG reissue, why
can't they put the neck pup in the original spot
on the DC?
Cat
Dan Stanley
"Dana Craft" <dana...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> My TV Yellow DC LP only has 22 frets. I counted them - twice.
>
> Dana
That's either a Junior a Special.
The LP DCs we're talking about were a short lived model from four or five
years ago ( although they might have started making them again, I hear).
Mahogany body, maple top, two humbuckers. Most of 'em got flamey maple tops,
so they were finished in purty transparent colors. I think they had block
inlays, can't recall.
Your TV Yellow LP is a mahogany slab, couple P-90 or P-100 pickups, dot
inlays, am I right?
I love 'em like that, too. Pretty much the perfect guitar for a lot of
people.
Just took a gander at
http://www.gibson.com/products/gibson/lespaul/dblcuts.html
and I do see that they are calling your guitar a "double cut", indeedilly
diddley doo, so I guess if that's good enough for them, it's good enough for
me. Your double cut DOES have 22 frets.
The guitars I was referring to, though, are what Gibson is now calling
"Double Cut Standard".
So there you go.
Dan
Dana Craft
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So there you go.
Dan
--
Yeah, mine is a TV Yellow Faded Double Cut with 2 P-90's, dot neck, 22
frets, all mahogany - 3 piece body, no special appointments. The kind of
guitar Gibson can build in their sleep. Great guitar for the price, I had to
have the fret edges filed down first thing. No other issues. Very basic
guitar. I have a 64 SG Jr. and wanted another P-90 guitar with more body
mass and a not so neck heavy - a wonderful sounding instrument otherwise.
Dana
Nobody
Catalina Thunders <thunde...@nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote in article
> I was wrong about *all* LP's being 22 frets though.
Oh..I understand now.
>I am surprised they make a 24 fret DC. If they can make a satisfactory '61 SG reissue, why can't they put the neck pup in the
original spot on the DC?>
> Cat
You mean a LP DC Standard with 22 frets?
BTW..I had one...called a Les Paul DC Standard when it came out...I liked the 24 frets, the neck pickup, and the bridge pickup.
Only problem for me was that it was neck heavy in that configuration, and I hated that...that's why I can't get an SG because when
I wear one standing up, the headstock falls to the floor.
Kate Ebneter
> Man, I *wanted* to like that model. Imagine a guitar that sounds like an LP,
> feels like an LP, but with way better access up there in the wheedly zone.
> If anyone from Gibson is reading this, please try again...get rid of the
> extra frets, get the pickup where it belongs, give it a pair of volumes and
> a pair of tones, and get it to market. If you build it, they will come.
They useta build that one back in the early 80s. It was called the
ES-335S, or just 335S. Solid body, double cutaway, two humbuckers,
22 frets, body was all mahogany. I have one. Killer guitar. May be
had for cheap, as it was not a successful model. Go figure.
Kate Ebneter
Collector of Noise Toys
JR
JimR
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>
Gary Hendershot
Dan Stanley [vze2...@verizon.net] a écrit dans l'article:
>
>
> The LP DCs we're talking about were a short lived model from four or five
> years ago ( although they might have started making them again, I hear).
> Mahogany body, maple top, two humbuckers. Most of 'em got flamey maple tops,
> so they were finished in purty transparent colors. I think they had block
> inlays, can't recall.
>
There were a few variations on the Les Paul DC Standard.
There was the "Standard," the "Standard Lite," and finally the Les Paul "DC
Pro." I played 'em all back in '97/'98 and ended up buying a DC Standard
Jalapeño during a Mars Music markdown sale (the first of many sales they had).
The Standard Lite was a bit sucky in a number of insignificant ways compared
to the er... standard Standard. The "Lite" was close to being a Les Paul DC
Studio (yet another LP DC model), but had mini-trapezoidal inlays.
The DC Standard has an arched AAA maple top and has a tone chambered body to
make it reasonably light. It has 24 frets with a 24.75-inch scale.
The DC Pro was really great, but so was the price (like nearly double)!
It was just like the Standard except it had a long 25.5-inch scale, ebony
fingerboard, and a Gibson *straight-pull* "violin" headstock as used on
the Gibson Pat Martino signature guitar.
Here's my "Jalapeño" DC, which now has a pair of chrome Gibson Iommi pickups
installed:
http://www.gary-hendershot.com/DC.jpg
http://www.gary-hendershot.com/DCa.jpg
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NYC KID
I play that axe more than my Cherryburst Les Paul Custom. Which is a '71 and
has been set up the same guy who used to do John Lennon's guitars.
I herd different opinions on the double cutaway neck problems. A lot of
people say it is not stable. I was afraid to try it. So I stuck with the
single cut.
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NYC KID
I play that axe more than my Cherryburst Les Paul Custom. Which is a '71 and
has been set up the same guy who used to do John Lennon's guitars.
I heard different opinions on the double cutaway neck problems. A lot of
people say it is not stable. I was afraid to try it. So I stuck with the
single cut.
"JR" <jrad@NO_SPAMradmer.dk> wrote in message
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Robert Barker
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<snip>
> I heard different opinions on the double cutaway neck problems. A lot of
> people say it is not stable. I was afraid to try it. So I stuck with the
> single cut.
Not especially 'unstable', assuming it comes out of the factory ok, but
doesn't take well to rough handling, and especially not to being
dropped...;+)
JR
neck joint
The faded models have the pickup a bit further back making the joint a lot
better.
I'm happy for now and it seems stable to me - great guitar !
Jim Radmer