Taken from the interview in Sunday's CLEVELAND PLAIN DEALER - ARTS / J1.
Posted in the VHML:
Splitting Hairs With Van Halen - John Soeder -
So I got a voice mail the other day at 3 a.m. from Eddie Van Halen.
The virtuoso guitarist took exception with my review of his hard-rock
band Van Halen's concert July 2 at Gund Arena.
"Music, to me, is my life," he said. "How could you critique something
that just is, you know?
"I don't claim to write the music. It just comes through me. ... If
you don't like it, why do you come?"
Eddie then offered a quick critique of me. "I think you're a
disgruntled human being," he said. Ouch!
"Are you jealous 'cause you're not us, or what?" he said. "Are you
envious?"
Truth be told, there was the time I went to a party the summer after my
senior year of high school and stood around all night with a bunch of
other guys, pathetically playing air-guitar along with Van Halen's
"1984" album.
"What is the deal with people like you?" Eddie demanded. "You actually
get paid for doing this (expletive)?"
To answer his questions:
1. In all honesty, sometimes I have to wonder myself.
2. Actually, yes.
"If you want to, you can call me on my cell phone," Eddie said,
proceeding to leave his number.
" 'Cause it's me ... Ed ... Van Halen. OK?"
There was no reason to doubt it. I recognized his voice, having
interviewed Eddie a few years ago.
The following afternoon, I took a deep breath and gave him a ring.
"Hi, Ed? It's me ... John ... Soeder."
I couldn't resist.
"Hi, John," Eddie said. Van Halen had performed the previous evening in
Detroit and was at the airport, waiting to catch a flight to New York
City.
"I've never, ever called a critic," he said. "This is the first time
I've ever done that in my life."
This was a first for me, too. I've never had a major rock 'n' roller
call to complain about a review.
"You're the only person in close to 30 years of doing what I do - I
don't know, I just had a wild hair up my (expletive), and I felt like
calling you," Eddie said.
If I ever write a memoir, the title will be: "I Put a Wild Hair in
Eddie Van Halen's (expletive)."
I thanked him for the feedback.
"Who died and made you queen?" Eddie said. "Do you have a Ph.D. in
music?"
Well, no. Then again, neither does Eddie.
"Believe it or not, I can't even read music," he said. "I'm self
taught. Where the songs come from, I don't have a clue, OK? It just
comes through me.
"Why do you think I play so bizarre? Because I don't know what the
(expletive) I'm doing!"
Nonetheless, I have no right to judge anyone, Eddie told me.
I'm not trying to pass judgment on a personal level. As a critic, my
job is to offer my opinion - hopefully, an informed opinion - about a
concert, a CD, whatever.
Eddie insisted I should start every review with the words: "In my
opinion..."
It would be redundant, I countered. Reviews, by definition, are
supposed to be opinionated.
We went round and round about critical theory. I finally said we are
splitting hairs.
"No!" Eddie said. "It's a major hair!"
Look - we're all entitled to our opinions. Mine are no more or no less
valid than yours or the next guy's in the audience.
"But those people don't have the opportunity to be a critic in a
newspaper, to voice their opinion," Eddie said. "You have the power to
touch a lot of people, just as I do."
Concertgoers and readers are free to make up their own minds, I said.
If they agree with me, cool. If not, bring it on.
"Have a little more compassion," Eddie said. "In a twisted way, what
you do is hurt a lot of people's feelings."
There was a pause. Then he added: "You're not hurting mine. I'm not
pissed off at you. I'm just trying to pick your brain."
Het, everyone's a critic, right?
"No!" Eddie said. "I'm not."
Oh, come on - surely when he's with buddies, he might weigh in on the
merits of, say, a particular album.
"That's the thing: I don't listen to anything," Eddie said. "You're
talking to a very, uh, unorthodox individual here."
This was rapidly becoming apparent.
"I listen to nothing because God lays so much music on me every
(expletive) day - I don't have the time," Eddie said. "It's
three-quarters of the reason why I'm not married anymore. Because, you
know, it's 3 o'clock in the morning, and I'm up because God is knocking
on my door, giving me ideas."
I'm still not sure why Eddie was so bent out of shape by my concert
critique, which ran under the headline: "Hagar helps revive band's
chemistry."
Granted, the review wasn't an all-out rave. I quibbled about the sound
quality and took singer Sammy Hagar to task for not bringing the same
swagger as original Van Halen vocalist David Lee Roth to some of the
band's older material.
When it came to the Hagar-era songs, however, the group was on the
money, which is what I wrote.
"I found your review amusing because you don't have a clue what goes
down," Eddie said. "You know my guitar solo - for the first time in my
life, I don't have a set thing I'm doing. I'm totally letting go.
"The hip replacement, cancer, divorce - you name it I beat it all. ...
I'm not afraid of getting on top of the stairs, falling down and hoping
to land on my feet, OK?"
Eddie and actress Valerie Bertinelli split in 2001. One year earlier,
he was treated for tounge cancer. He had hip-replacement surgery in
1999.
"So I'm doing my guitar solo," he said. "I'm doing some amazing
(expletive) I've never done because I allow myself to feel. Ninety
percent of the humans on this planet won't allow themselves to feel, let
alone deal with what they're feeling, then heal, you know?"
This is all well and good. But I didn't miss Eddie's guitar solo. In
fact, I wrote: "Throughout the night, (Eddie) was never at a loss for a
fleet-fingered guitar solo or a ripsnorting riff."
Maybe he had me confused with another critic.
"OK," Eddie said. "Look, the funny thing is it's not about me. It's
not about you. It's not about anything. Music is the universal
language.
He couldn't fathom why I mentioned Roth in the review.
"That (expletive) has nothing to do do with what we're doing now," Eddie
said. "If you knew Roth the way I do, you would go 'This guy is out of
his (expletive) mind!'
"Why did you even have to bring up Roth? He wasn't on-stage."
True. But didn't Roth help popularize some of those songs and write the
lyrics to them?
"Uh, a few of 'em," Eddie said. "But Roth and Hagar are two unique
individuals. You can't say Hagar didn't sing it the way Roth did. Of
course (Hagar) can't. He's not Roth."
Long before I did this for a living, I was a Van Halen fan. I bought
the albums. I bought tickets to the concerts. I bought the t-shirts.
I'm still a fan.
"Well, what do you want from me?" an exasperated Eddie said. "I can't
give you something I don't have."
We talked for nearly an hour. Toward the end of the rambling
conversation, Eddie said he'd enjoyed our discussion. He told me to
keep in touch.
"I'm not a rock star," Eddie said. "I'm a musician. And I'll be damned
if someone is gonna tell me what comes through me is not what they
expected."
The music comes from God according to Eddie.
"And in my opinion what you do is judge God," he said.
Was he saying the almighty somehow had a hand in "Runnin' With The
Devil" and "Hot For Teacher"?
I told Eddie I'd have to reflect on that one and get back to him.
"One thing I am is consistent," he said. "I'm not blowing smoke up my
own (expletive), but at my worst, I am still me. Nobody else can do
me."
You do it well, I assured him.
"There you go judging me again," Eddie said. Then he laughed.
OK, let me rephrase that: In my opinion, Eddie Van Halen does Eddie Van
Halen well.
"Thank you sir," he said.
It's almost impossible to imagine the kind of shadow Eddie has to live up to
(himself I mean). I think the kind of expectations people put on him would
drive anyone crazy. And it does seems like he's kind of losing his grip on
reality. But that could be due to all kinds of things.
> It's almost impossible to imagine the kind of shadow Eddie has to live up to
> (himself I mean). I think the kind of expectations people put on him would
> drive anyone crazy. And it does seems like he's kind of losing his grip on
> reality. But that could be due to all kinds of things.
Like like all the shit he's been through the past few years.
Hip, cancer, Valerie. It would make me crazy too.
==
"Hit the ground running..."
>Looks like the 3 new crappy songs and the slow ticket sales have hit
>King Edweird hard. I bet the crybaby calls all the critics who pan his
>Van Hagar reunion and dare criticize "God" -
>
Very sad although I think the new songs aren't bad.
Best regards,
RG
Bob, knows all the VH lines like people know Hendrix, Page, Clapton (place
childhood hero here)...
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Bring back The Sweet.
First, you build a time machine...
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Bruce
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That'd work.
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well let's start shovelling !
I happened to watch Mel Brooks' "History of the World - Part I" this week.
One of my favorite lines:
Narrator: "And of course, with the birth of the artist came the inevitable
afterbirth - the critic."
From listening to his last few albums I'd say God stopped knocking on
his door years ago. Maybe he should try the other extreme - we all
know the best music comes from people who sold their soul to Satan!
;)
--
Boogie With Stu
> Reading this something came to mind. I once had someone define a critic as
> someone with neither the skill or backbone to even try what those they are
> critiquing do. A good example of this is the armchair commando... Yea, that
> sort of fits doesn't it?
>
> Bruce
I once heard a critic described as someone who walks across the battlefield
after the battle, and shoots the wounded.
Zoid
When did anything we do, say, think or live, become "someone/something
else's fault"?
Ouch.
There are few problems that can't be solved with time machine. There are
even fewer problems that couldn't be made worse with a time machine. I try
to use mine wisely!
ERic
Doonie <doonie666...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> >Hip, cancer, Valerie. It would make me crazy too.
>
> Stardom,
Stardom doesn't make someone crazy..its how they deal with it.
>alcoholism
Is a disease and nothing to make light of, especially when it involves
putting the man down because he had an addiction.
>being from California..
Except he wasn't born in California, fwiw.
> [Van Halen] wasn't born in California, fwiw.
Holland, weren't it?
But moved to Cali at a pretty young age.
This is what happens, when the standard you have set for yourself, have been accepted, and expected
from your fans.
Many times, the successes, become the weight one has to carry throughout.
As it was before EVH, so it will be for all of us.
No one gets a pass.
Regards,
Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com
Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers
Bob Maggio wrote:
>
> I actually went to this tour, and from the info I could get below, felt much
> the same. I jumped from Kiss to Van Halen when I was a kid guitar player.
> And it was the greatest point in my childhood. Nothing could be cooler to
> me. But at this concert, it was great to hear Ed, however, the sound was so
> bad it was hard to hear Ed. I spent much of the concert walking around
> trying to find a decent place to hear the guitar. Musically they were as
> good as I've heard them over the last 20 years or so. For what I could make
> out thru the wash of phased bass noise. The solo was great and playing with
> his son was great, for what I could make out. I loved it, but probably won't
> go back if I can't hear it. Make any sense?
Sure does!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's politics most of the time that is behind stuff like this.
And, most of it comes from the band not knowing the deal.
But then, the band is always ALL knowing, in such matters of THEIR sound.
Most of them wouldn't know a good FOH engineer, if he pissed on their foot.
<snip>
> Looks like the 3 new crappy songs and the slow ticket sales have hit
> King Edweird hard. I bet the crybaby calls all the critics who pan his
> Van Hagar reunion and dare criticize "God" -
I've been a EVH fan ever since they came out. I'm a year or 2 younger than
Ed. I've been playing guitar and stealing his licks for over 30 years. He
was/is one of my idols.
But I saw VH 2 weeks ago in my home town and as much as I always loved them
guys, they just weren't that good IMO... I was disappointed. They were
sloppy, especially Eddie. I was like, "this is VH???" Sammy actually sounded
better than good vocally and he was damned professional.
My drummer works locally helping to stage tech stuff when big bands come to
town. He said Ed got off the bus with a bottle of wine and that he was drunk
before he hit the stage. I've been too drunk to play many times onstage in
the last 30 years but I still played and I TOO sucked. But at 50-100 bucks a
ticket you gotta be good to your audience. Eddie was jumping around and
stuff and most people probably thought they were great. Me? I thought, I
wanna go home and forget how this concert ruined my opinion. I saw them
almost 30 years ago when there was fire and something to prove.
When I saw them I was sadly disappointed with Eddie's playing. Maybe I'm
just old and critical and cynical to be a typical fan anymore.
You were nicer to VH in your review than I would have been to be honest...
Jeff
Always liked Hagar and met him in Cabo one year (I was staying at the hotel
he owned). For a home-made pic of his New Year's show, E-mail me directly
and I'll send you a .jpeg.
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Yup.
> Many times, the successes, become the weight one has to carry throughout.
>
> As it was before EVH, so it will be for all of us.
>
> No one gets a pass.
I'm sure I'm biased being as I was 12 when they came out and trust me, for
those of you who weren't there, Eddie was ALL they were talking about. And
not just all guitar players but other musicians too. Hearing "Eruption" for
the first time will go down as one of my Top 5 musical moments in my life.
We couldn't even grasp how it could be real. There was no MTV so you just
had to guess what he was doing. We had all these theories and tricks, etc.
And THEN to find out, nope....he just shreds and plays it right out like
that. The tapping seriously blew us away. Anybody my age around that time
knows what I'm talking about. Within a little while of him being out it was:
"this might be guy that takes the title from Hendrix". The co-exist on about
the same level even today in many minds. He literally put a generation of
1,000s of guitarists out of work with that first album. Even those great
blues players of the late 60s early 70s. I've heard those guitarists say it
themselves. And literally all rock from about 1980 until around 1991 was
directly spawned by or related to what Ed did. I know I'm gushing but it
really was THAT BIG a deal.
Plus, he's getting older now, the years of hard partying takes it toll on
all parts of you from your mind to your skills. There's no way he'll ever be
the guitarist he once way. But that's OK. He just needs to find something
else (another form or type of music) to do. He still has the musicality and
can play beautiful slow passages. Composition was the main thing that sat
him apart from wankers. He was, dare I say it, darn melodic in his playing.
You'll always have a gig with that kind of talent.
Don't confuse Ed with the wankers. Wankers are people who want to be Eddie
but don't have the chops and melodic skills, and musical sense. I'm sure he
looks down on Wankers as much as you do. Eddie is father to most all guitar
in pop, rock, even country from the time he came out until this day.
Robb Scott <robb...@comcast.net> wrote in article
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Yeah..you are right..but point is I guess I just don't think the state of
California is to blame for EVHs inability to control himself from the
excesses that prevail in certain areas there.
Know what I mean, Vern?
>
> "Ricky W. Hunt" wrote:
>
>>"Bill Morris" <bi...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>>Looks like the 3 new crappy songs and the slow ticket sales have hit
>>>King Edweird hard. I bet the crybaby calls all the critics who pan his
>>>Van Hagar reunion and dare criticize "God" -
>>>
>>
>>It's almost impossible to imagine the kind of shadow Eddie has to live up to
>>(himself I mean). I think the kind of expectations people put on him would
>>drive anyone crazy. And it does seems like he's kind of losing his grip on
>>reality. But that could be due to all kinds of things.
>
>
> This is what happens, when the standard you have set for yourself, have been accepted, and expected
> from your fans.
>
> Many times, the successes, become the weight one has to carry throughout.
>
Odd. The real greats all managed, somehow. Lot of 'em had
long dark nights, too.
> As it was before EVH, so it will be for all of us.
John Cash was producing right up to the end. Anybody
says he didn't have demons wasn't paying attention.
EVH's best work could still be ahead of him.
>
> No one gets a pass.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rich Koerner,
> Time Electronics.
> http://www.timeelect.com
>
> Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
> Music & Studio Production,
> Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers
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Les Cargill
You aren't biased you're realistic. I was never a big VH fan, but I
recognized the
fact that EVH broke new, and very exciting ground in the guitar world with
his playing. No matter what happens in his musical future, he's already in
the books
for what he's already done.
HJA
Ahh, you can't shred, eh? Me neither, but I accept it instead
of dissing it. Deep down I believe all guitar players wish they could
play as fast as EVH, but some can't handle the truth so they whine.
Like you. I'm in awe of what he gave the guitar world.
You're in denial.
HJA
<snip of EVH stuff>
To be able to do what the many have not, you have to be the different drummer, for people to join a
new parade.
A rare thing.
EVH, did that.
For that, we are thankful.
All things have their duration.
<thinking>
There are three kinds of people.
Those who *make* things happen,
those who *watch* things happen,
and those who wonder what happened.
The first is the artist and risk taker.
The second is the critic.
The third is the general public.
Which are you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, really he was "creating" like he did in the old days. He was doing
great covers. Rock and pop are kind of tied together and the definition is
constantly changing (unlike blues or classical for instance). So he either
has to do stuff just like he did years ago which will sound out of date now
or be compared unfavorably to his old stuff since you can't beat "nostalgia"
or it'll be radically different and people will complain it doesn't sound
like the "old" Van Halen. As much as I'd love to have those chops I wouldn't
want to be in his shoes.
Clapton has reinvented himself multiple
times. Neil Young has. So have any of a number
of folks.
Maybe Eddie truly is different, because of the
number of guys with their arms folded, at the
back of the room, but if I was him, I wouldna
give a rats patoot - I'd do what I wanted to
hear, or farm out to be somebody's guitar player,
or soundtracks, or something.
I know the man can rip on acoustic, and that
would be a clever way to sidestep the whole
thing. Been done? Sure. But as a gambit to
paint yourself out of a corner...
--
Les Cargill
>There are few problems that can't be solved with time machine. There are
>even fewer problems that couldn't be made worse with a time machine. I try
>to use mine wisely!
>
>
I intended to use my time machine wisely, but future me told me there's
no way to do that, so I just quit working on it.
Alan
although i liked their performance, some things really annoyed me...here they are:
drum solo..that is sooo passe...
sammy hagar solo .. now..c'mon ,, it's han halen...i didn't pay to hear
sammy's stuff.. if he could only play 'can't drive 55' and give the rest of
his stuff a rest
thos stupid fake high fives after everything... uhhhhhhh
the worst part...a BASS solo?? yukk eeee poooo!!
c'mon eddie and gang.. play the damn tunes and forgot the fluff
georgio
If you have a functioning time machine, you can quit working on it
after the fact.
--
Les Cargill
I saw VH still with David Lee Roth in about 1983 in Johnson City, TN. I
don't know if they were all drunk, didn't care because of where they were,
or what, but it was one of the worst concerts that I ever attended. The
sound was bad, nobody was playing together, it really stank. DLR wasted
about ten minutes of the show with his bottle of Jack Daniel's whisky BS and
his singing wasn't very good. Eddie greatly simplified many of his riffs
and was just not tight at all. We were all really excited to be able to see
them but our entire party ended up leaving early in disgust. We had such
high hopes for this show as we were among the first people in our area to
have heard their first album courtesy of a fellow musician that got it from
NY as soon as it came out and we were all just blown away with the sound.
At least the album was good and brought us out of the post-disco doldrums.
David S.
But much more, he was in touch with it all, unlike the multitude of
rock band covering the dino-circuit at the county fair. Cash was still
working, producing art, covers or else wise, yes? And at his age? He
was at no time resting on his laurels.
Chris
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[These opinions are personal views only and only my personal views]
Bull-fucking-shit. Why would I want to play something I don't even enjoy
listening to?
>but some can't handle the truth so they whine.
The truth is that some people consider EVH's playing to be a bunch of
self-aggrandizing fretboard masturbation. Just because something is
technically demanding doesn't make it good.
Oops. Should have been "wasn't creating".
I saw them in Nashville a few years before that. Bass solo was not good. The
main thing I remember was how loud it was. I was a loud freak and it was too
loud for me. You literally could not hear the music it was so loud, if that
makes sense. I can remember three nights later laying in bed, furious, still
not being able to sleep for the ringing in my ears. And I was in the balcony
pretty far from the stage.
Really, so many other rock stars have been through much worse, both
physically and mentally (the two that spring to mind are Keith
Richards and Brian Wilson), and he really ought to face the music, or
write some good stuff. He was a star in the eighties - to do that
agin, he needs to guest with The Darkness!
Bill Morris <bi...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<41034C9D...@nospam.com>...
> Looks like the 3 new crappy songs and the slow ticket sales have hit
> King Edweird hard. I bet the crybaby calls all the critics who pan his
> Van Hagar reunion and dare criticize "God" -
>
>
>
--snip--
>I saw VH still with David Lee Roth in about 1983 in Johnson
>City, TN. I don't know if they were all drunk, didn't care
>because of where they were, or what, but it was one of the
>worst concerts that I ever attended. The sound was bad,
>nobody was playing together, it really stank.
Not about VH, but...
I saw Night Ranger in Dubuque, IA on the last stop of a tour.
I almost didn't go because I figured they'd blow off such a
rinky-dink job. They rocked! They put out like 120%.
I was amazed.
The Repair Guy
http://repairguy1993.netfirms.com/
Damn, I wasn't aware I'd arrived in hell already.
>I've been a EVH fan ever since they came out. I'm a year or 2 younger than
>Ed. I've been playing guitar and stealing his licks for over 30 years.
Didn't their first album come out in 1978?
Yes.
Yeah, but Eddie can actually play while shredding. No mean
feat. He's one *hell* of a rhythm player, too. Arguably
the best since Hendrix ( for a trio setup ).
The first couple VH albums were some serious black magic,
like 'em or not.
--
Les Cargill
But Cash has always done both his own stuff and covers, and I'd
call his covers pretty dern creative. Anything he does
pretty much becomes the reference verison of the tune.
Those American Series albums are covers *for a reason*. They
amount to somebody writing his own epitaph.
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> "Bill Morris" <bi...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> > Looks like the 3 new crappy songs and the slow ticket sales have hit
> > King Edweird hard. I bet the crybaby calls all the critics who pan his
> > Van Hagar reunion and dare criticize "God" -
>
> I've been a EVH fan ever since they came out. I'm a year or 2 younger than
> Ed. I've been playing guitar and stealing his licks for over 30 years. He
> was/is one of my idols.
>
> But I saw VH 2 weeks ago in my home town and as much as I always loved
them
> guys, they just weren't that good IMO... I was disappointed. They were
> sloppy, especially Eddie. I was like, "this is VH???" Sammy actually
sounded
> better than good vocally and he was damned professional.
>
> My drummer works locally helping to stage tech stuff when big bands come
to
> town. He said Ed got off the bus with a bottle of wine and that he was
drunk
> before he hit the stage. I've been too drunk to play many times onstage in
> the last 30 years but I still played and I TOO sucked. But at 50-100 bucks
a
> ticket you gotta be good to your audience. Eddie was jumping around and
> stuff and most people probably thought they were great. Me? I thought, I
> wanna go home and forget how this concert ruined my opinion. I saw them
> almost 30 years ago when there was fire and something to prove.
>
> When I saw them I was sadly disappointed with Eddie's playing. Maybe I'm
> just old and critical and cynical to be a typical fan anymore.
>
> You were nicer to VH in your review than I would have been to be honest...
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
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I would agree with that. I always loved Eddie's rhythm playing on the
first 5 albums. The only stuff I really liked from the Hagar era is
stuff from 5150 and FUCK
>
>>Deep down I believe all guitar players wish they could
>> play as fast as EVH,
>
>Bull-fucking-shit. Why would I want to play something I don't even enjoy
>listening to?
Sounds like the blues to me. Fun to play, not always fun to listen
to.
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Night ranger was pretty kick ass. I still try to fake "don't tell me
you love me" from time to time...Haven't really worked on much of
their other tunes though... They were all pretty good. But that one
long haired dude had some knarly 2 handed stuff.
They were sort of a wang bar reverse from Van Halen....If I remember
right, they did not use wang bars, and used to joke about some of the
ones who did..Remember, that was in the era after Van Halen hit the
scene, and everyone and his sister was using the floyd rose's, etc,
trying to copy him.
I have seen Van halen, maybe 4 times or so...Never really a bad show
that I saw. I saw them first at the 1979 Texas Jam in the cotton bowl.
Saw them 2-3 times in the old Houston Summit. Couple with Roth, I
think one with Hagar...I guess I got lucky...All were pretty tight
shows. The Cotton Bowl was kickass. Probably the best concert I ever
went to. Sammy Hagar, Heart, Boston, Van Halen, And some more I can't
remember offhand. All at the same show. Just those four were kickass
enough. Hagar played in the day not long after we got there. This was
a few years before VH was a twinkle in his eye...I still remember him
playing a mean "bad motorscooter" at that show. Van Halen kicked ass.
That was right at the time album #2 came out...Like the same month
nearly...They were still pretty mean and lean at that time. And Ed had
that knarly early period tone...Even live in the cotton bowl. Those
were the days....Hard to believe thats already 25 years ago...
MK
Alvin was/is pretty awesome. I was blown away the first time I saw
"Woodstock".
>Night ranger was pretty kick ass. I still try to fake "don't
>tell me you love me" from time to time...Haven't really
>worked on much of their other tunes though... They
>were all pretty good. But that one long haired dude had
>some knarly 2 handed stuff.
Watson.
>They were sort of a wang bar reverse from Van Halen....
>If I remember right, they did not use wang bars, and used
>to joke about some of the ones who did..Remember, that
>was in the era after Van Halen hit the scene, and everyone
>and his sister was using the floyd rose's, etc, trying to copy
>him.
You must be remembering wrong. Brad Gillis was (is?)
a monster with the bar. He even used one of the early
Floyds with no fine tuners.
> But Cash has always done both his own stuff and covers, and I'd
> call his covers pretty dern creative. Anything he does
> pretty much becomes the reference verison of the tune.
>
> Those American Series albums are covers *for a reason*. They
> amount to somebody writing his own epitaph.
And they weren't all covers. Some were originals - and some were redone
originals.
Johnny Cash was the man.
Alan
They had two guitarists; one, Jeff Watson, always played Gibson
style guitars, and did the eight-finger-tapping thing. The other,
Brad Gillis (I think was his name), played Strat-style guitars,
and was VERY MUCH into manipulating the bar (he was also Ozzy's
guitarist for a short while); I doubt they made fun of anyone else
using a Floyd Rose.
FWIW, the bar thing was done long before EVH or Floyd Rose came
along (witness some of Hendrix' madness), and people were tapping
before him as well (Steve Hackett has recorded examples of this
dating back well before Eddie). I will say that he certainly
had his share of imitators, though. Some have taken it beyond
(like Stanley Jordon, or Steve Vai), but most haven't.
---Michael (of APP)...
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As Frank Zappa said, "Thank you Eddie, for re-inventing electric guitar
playing"
Regardless of your styles, I think we all wish we could play like him for 5
minutes. It must be quite a ride.
Goldtop
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Cheers,
Luigi
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>>
>Yeah, but Eddie can actually play while shredding. No mean
>feat. He's one *hell* of a rhythm player, too. Arguably
>the best since Hendrix ( for a trio setup ).
>
I totally agree. His rhythm playing is just as tricky and as hard to
nail as his solos. It's almost always more complex than it sounds at
first listen with something underlying going on. Something as simple
as the straight A-F#m chords in "Pretty Woman" become a really cool
open string skip pedal the way he plays it. It changes the whole vibe
of the song. Original & innovative. Like he said himself- "You've only
got 12 notes to play with - how you mix them up is your bag". Like him
or not- rhythm, lead- the guy's an amazing package.
CJ
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I still have never recovered from seeing him play/slap the beginning out of
the song "Mean Streets".
I mean..damn...my jaw is still on the floor back at Greensboro Colliseum in
NC, and that was in the twenty years ago.
I have said it before, and will say it again..I believe Eddie Van Halen may
be THE greatest electric guitarist ever.
Not too many can out-play or out-rock EVH...in fact, I can't think of one
person.
David S.
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In article <UzGNc.3084$dM2....@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>,
plantsm...@prodigy.net says...
Amen. That's what the shredders never "got". They just heard his speed and
went for that and all those 16th note scales played over a chord
progerssion. I'd put him in the speed catagory against anybody.
I second that vote. It's a close call between him and Hendrix.
In article <rk3fg015leibrg34t...@4ax.com>,
c1su...@hotmail.comZXNOSPAMXZ says...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:11:16 GMT, "plantsman"
> <plantsm...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> >Al DiMeola, although not technically a rock guitarist, has the be the
> >fastest player I've ever heard.
>
> It's debatable whether or not he's a jazz guitarist.
>
>
>
>
> Atlas
>
> --
> {A liberal is someone who'll give you the shirt off of someone else's back.}
>
I speaking specifically about the flood of players that came out after Van
Halen. I don't know if you were around then but it was pretty bad stuff.
> All the non-shredders heard was the speed. They themselves
> couldn't play that fast. They became jealous and resentful. And for
> the next 20 years, we were treated to a perpetual array of "shredders
> suck" mumblings.
>
Heck yeah. I'd love to have that kind of speed in my toolkit should I need
it. I just happen to like more melodic stuff and some breathing room. Of
course there's lots of "bad" musicians in any style.
> >I'd put him in the speed catagory against anybody.
>
> Yngwie Malmsteen, Eric Johnson, Steve Morse, Steve Vai, Al
> DiMeola, Paco DeLucia, Shawn Lane, John McLaughlin....
>
> All tremendously creative players. All tremendously fast
> players.
>
> Have you either heard of, or listened to any of them?
>
Of course.
Atlas <c1su...@hotmail.comZXNOSPAMXZ> wrote in article
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>
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:57:38 GMT, "Jason" <no...@none.com> wrote:
>
> >Not too many can out-play or out-rock EVH...in fact, I can't think of
one
> >person.
>
> Vai.
Nope..not a chance. Sorry, Kevin..I know you don't like EVH, but Vai cannot
out-play or out-rock EVH, IMHO.
<snip>
> > >Not too many can out-play or out-rock EVH...in fact, I
can't think of
> one
> > >person.
> >
> > Vai.
>
> Nope..not a chance. Sorry, Kevin..I know you don't like
EVH, but Vai cannot
> out-play or out-rock EVH, IMHO.
I guess you'd have to define "out play". I definitely
prefer listening to EVH. I also think that EVH is one of
the most underrated rhythm players ever and does things in
the context of a rock song that Vai probably wouldn't think
of doing. When it comes to flashy technique, EVH rarely
shows more than 10% of his ability when he's playing a solo
and Vai seems to go all out when he solos, so a good
comparison is probably hard to make. I don't think EVH is
the "head cutter" type of player like Vai and Eddie probably
has no interest in a G3 sort of show, so it's unlikely that
you'll ever see him in that context.
> Vai.
Ha!!!
Idiot.
--
[tv]
Owner/Proprietor, Cheesus Crust Pizza Company
Good to the last supper
His sense of humor was large also and he appeared more than once (in
disguise) on "The Gong Show". When session guitar players found out when he
was to appear,
legend has it that no recorded guitar was ever played during the half hour
the show was on, because every session player in L.A. was tuned to the show
and fuck the session.
He was/is THAT good. I've been privileged to see him live. I quit playing
for six months afterwards I was so depressed at what I would never do.
He played the guitar on Bonanza and almost every TV and movie for decades.
Ask around about Tedesco. No B.S., he was the man.
"Jason" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
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Tedesco and some of the other session men caught wind of Zappa's freaky
reputation,
and showed up for the "Lumpy Gravy"session dressed in wacky costumes, not
realizing Zappa's music
would turn out to be too complicated for them to play the first time
through.
Well, who's the man
--
John Anderson
WTF?
> I heard a recent interview that Joe Satriani has been
trying to get
> Eddie to play with him in a G3, but Eddie doesn't really
seem very
> interested in playing without the rest of the band.
EVH has never been about guitar playing as a "big dick
contest". He's a talented quirky rock player who pretty
much invented a style. But he's not the best of the best of
the best and I don't think he's interested in trying to be.
For all the talk about EVH and solos he really plays very
few and very short solos in most Van Halen songs. He's more
about the song than the solo. He's a musician, not a
technician.
howard aubrey wrote:
> "Ricky W. Hunt" <rhu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:XgWMc.28309$eM2.14629@attbi_s51...
> > >
> > > This is what happens, when the standard you have set for yourself, have
> > been accepted, and expected
> > > from your fans.
> > >
> >
> > Yup.
> >
> > > Many times, the successes, become the weight one has to carry
> throughout.
> > >
> > > As it was before EVH, so it will be for all of us.
> > >
> > > No one gets a pass.
> >
> > I'm sure I'm biased being as I was 12 when they came out and trust me, for
> > those of you who weren't there, Eddie was ALL they were talking about. And
> > not just all guitar players but other musicians too. Hearing "Eruption"
> for
> > the first time will go down as one of my Top 5 musical moments in my life.
> > We couldn't even grasp how it could be real. There was no MTV so you just
> > had to guess what he was doing. We had all these theories and tricks, etc.
> > And THEN to find out, nope....he just shreds and plays it right out like
> > that. The tapping seriously blew us away. Anybody my age around that time
> > knows what I'm talking about. Within a little while of him being out it
> was:
> > "this might be guy that takes the title from Hendrix". The co-exist on
> about
> > the same level even today in many minds. He literally put a generation of
> > 1,000s of guitarists out of work with that first album. Even those great
> > blues players of the late 60s early 70s. I've heard those guitarists say
> it
> > themselves. And literally all rock from about 1980 until around 1991 was
> > directly spawned by or related to what Ed did. I know I'm gushing but it
> > really was THAT BIG a deal.
> >
> > Plus, he's getting older now, the years of hard partying takes it toll on
> > all parts of you from your mind to your skills. There's no way he'll ever
> be
> > the guitarist he once way. But that's OK. He just needs to find something
> > else (another form or type of music) to do. He still has the musicality
> and
> > can play beautiful slow passages. Composition was the main thing that sat
> > him apart from wankers. He was, dare I say it, darn melodic in his
> playing.
> > You'll always have a gig with that kind of talent.
> >
>
> You aren't biased you're realistic. I was never a big VH fan, but I
> recognized the
> fact that EVH broke new, and very exciting ground in the guitar world with
> his playing. No matter what happens in his musical future, he's already in
> the books
> for what he's already done.
>
> HJA
That's sort of a different school pf playing, Vai.
For old-school stuff, Gary Moore OWNS Eddie. The tone on the Victims of the
Future kills the "brown sound".
I know I sound like a broken record, but Gary Moore is the MAN for that
whole mixo rock style. The "two Johns" (Norum and Sykes) also come pretty
close.
He's knocking out some 32 note runs at about 104/102 on that tune.
Yngwie, who's not the fastest by far, plays 32 note runs on the tune
"Blitzkrieg" at around 130 bpm.
In rough order: Randy Rhoads, Yngwie Malmsteen, Tony MacAlpine, Vinnie
Moore, Greg Howe, Nuno Bettecourt (I've started getting into his stuff,
right now I'm working on the "Mutha" solo)
Monsters, all of them.
> > All the non-shredders heard was the speed. They themselves
> > couldn't play that fast. They became jealous and resentful. And for
> > the next 20 years, we were treated to a perpetual array of "shredders
> > suck" mumblings.
All it take is a little time with a metronome
>
> Heck yeah. I'd love to have that kind of speed in my toolkit should I need
> it. I just happen to like more melodic stuff and some breathing room. Of
> course there's lots of "bad" musicians in any style.
I don't know why people knock the melodic chops of some of these guys.
Vinnie Moore? He's so composed and melodic that it's sort of irritating,
sometimes I really just want to hear some squealing Ritchie Blackmore
licks...
Ah what fun he'd have had digging Sheik Yerbooty back outta the garage
in light of these troubled times w/ Arab states.
Can anyone IMAGINE what meat for humor he'd have found in the
White House these days?. RIP
That probably expressed my feelings the best. Or the old saying, "just
because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should". If it's "all out" all
the time there's no contrast and is boring to me.
Ricky W. Hunt <rhu...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
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Check out his pic in the new Guitar World in the Peavey ad..he looks
*terrible*.
Are you talking about Eddie? Haven't seen the ad but I saw some live pics of
him and he didn't look too good.