TC G-Major tuner not "always on" with Global Input Vol via Exp Ped, help!
Joey Goldstein
Sorry for all the cross posting but I need an answer to this quickly.
The owner's manual for the G-Major very clearly states on pg. 17 that
"It is a common choice to use an expression pedal to control the Input
Volume. If you do this, the tuner will still be active when you turn
down the volume entirely."
This is not working on my G-Major. I am using CC #7 via an ADA MIDI
pedal + controller pedal to control the Input Volume parameter. I have
also had the same results when using the pedal input on the back of the
G-Major itself, i.e. no MIDI involved as well as several other
configurations. The volume pedal works fine but when the pedal is at its
minimum the tuner is not active even though the Input meters are
flashing as expected. The tuner only works when the volume pedal is
moved forwards.
I have version 1.07 of the firmware. I am on a Mac so I can not use the
update to vers 1.11 that is posted on their web site.
Does anybody out there know what could possibly be causing this? This is
an important feature for me and I have just spent a very frustrating
several hours trying to trouble-shoot this.
Will the vers 1.11 software fix this? Is this a bug?
I have also posted a copy of these questions to the TC Support Site but
don't expect any answer for several days. I'd like to know sooner if
possible.
Thanks.
--
Joey Goldstein
Guitarist/Jazz Recording Artist/Teacher
Home Page: http://www.joeygoldstein.com
Email: <joegold AT sympatico DOT ca>
Bradster
Expression pedal plugged in the back of the G-Major. You can MUTE the
inputs by pressing and holding the top button of the G-Minor. You can then
tune your guitar without anyone else hearing. However, I still have to keep
the volume on the expression pedal turned up. So, I guess I have the same
situation as yourself. If you don't have a G-Minor you might look at
picking one up.
Brad
"Joey Goldstein" <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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Joey Goldstein
Bradster wrote:
>
> I use a G-Major with a G-Minor MIDI Foot Controller pedal as well as an
> Expression pedal plugged in the back of the G-Major. You can MUTE the
> inputs by pressing and holding the top button of the G-Minor. You can then
> tune your guitar without anyone else hearing.
You can mute the Output by holding the Bypass switch down too.
> However, I still have to keep
> the volume on the expression pedal turned up. So, I guess I have the same
> situation as yourself.
Yes, I guess you do from which I can extrapolate that the either this is
a bug or the pwner's manual is just plain wrong. Which version of the
software do you have? It should flash during startup. Current vesrion is
1.11. I have vers 1.07.
> If you don't have a G-Minor you might look at
> picking one up.
I have no need fro the G Minor. I have a few MIDI pedals I can use; ADA
MXC system or Lexicon R1.
Thanks for responding.
Bradster
>
> You can mute the Output by holding the Bypass switch down too.
>
> > However, I still have to keep
> > the volume on the expression pedal turned up. So, I guess I have the
same
> > situation as yourself.
>
> Yes, I guess you do from which I can extrapolate that the either this is
> a bug or the pwner's manual is just plain wrong. Which version of the
> software do you have? It should flash during startup. Current vesrion is
> 1.11. I have vers 1.07.
I have v1.11
>
> > If you don't have a G-Minor you might look at
> > picking one up.
I am trying to decide between the Rocktron All Access, DMC Ground Control
Pro or the Behringer FCB1010. Any suggestions? Nothing out there seems to
meet my needs. What I really want is a MIDI foot controller that is
completely programmable. By that I mean that any button can be assigned any
function. I wouldn't have to wait for a firmware release from a vendor to
add functionality that is missing.
For example, I'd like have to some spare buttons that can be reserved for CC
functions. However, the Ground Control Pro and the All Access both seem to
assume that the CC assignments are a one-time setup. I'd would like to make
a program change and then have the CC's be different for a given program. I
might want to the expression pedal to act as a WAH pedal in on program and
then a Volume pedal in the next. I'd also like to have the CC assigned
buttons act as stomp-box switches to enable/disable effects in my G-Major in
one program and then be assigned to control my Electrix Repeater (live loop
sampler) in the next.
I'm not electronically included but I am tempted to start studying and build
my own if I can't find anything on the market.
Click below for some pics of my rig.
http://members.shaw.ca/bdhay02/bradster_rig.html
Cheers,
Brad
Bradster
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> Click below for some pics of my rig.
>
http://members.shaw.ca/bdhay02/bradster_rig.htm
Cheers,
Brad
Thom_j.
full midi assignment control system.. Or you possibly need to take
some tap dancing lessons at Arthur Murrays. Wow you have a lot
of bells and whistles to push, punch, tip & tap.. yeow.. thom_j.
"Bradster" <bdhay03_...@hotmailnospam.com> wrote in message
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Stan Gosnell
> The owner's manual for the G-Major very clearly states on
> pg. 17 that "It is a common choice to use an expression
> pedal to control the Input Volume. If you do this, the tuner
> will still be active when you turn down the volume
> entirely."
>
> This is not working on my G-Major.
You have the volume pedal before the G-Major? If so, there's no
way it can work. If you have no volume going in, you'll get
nothing out. If the volume pedal is after the G-Major, then I'd
expect it to work. Why would you put the volume pedal before a
tuner? Maybe I'm missing something.
--
Regards,
Stan
Joey Goldstein
Bradster wrote:
>
> "Joey Goldstein" <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > You can mute the Output by holding the Bypass switch down too.
> Thanks. Didn't know that.
>
> >
> > > However, I still have to keep
> > > the volume on the expression pedal turned up. So, I guess I have the
> same
> > > situation as yourself.
> >
> > Yes, I guess you do from which I can extrapolate that the either this is
> > a bug or the pwner's manual is just plain wrong. Which version of the
> > software do you have? It should flash during startup. Current vesrion is
> > 1.11. I have vers 1.07.
>
> I have v1.11
Shit. So this means that TC is just lying about this feature. That sucks.
> >
> > > If you don't have a G-Minor you might look at
> > > picking one up.
>
> I am trying to decide between the Rocktron All Access, DMC Ground Control
> Pro or the Behringer FCB1010. Any suggestions? Nothing out there seems to
> meet my needs. What I really want is a MIDI foot controller that is
> completely programmable. By that I mean that any button can be assigned any
> function. I wouldn't have to wait for a firmware release from a vendor to
> add functionality that is missing.
> For example, I'd like have to some spare buttons that can be reserved for CC
> functions.
Download the owner's manual for the All Access from Rocktron's web site.
I think you're wrong about how the CC's are assigned per switch.
All I can say is stay away from the Lexicon R1. It looks like it is
built like a tank but the switches often misfire and the tension on the
controller pedal doesn't work properly, i.e. you can't tighten it hard
enough that the pedal stays still when you remove your foot, so it's
lousy as a volume pedal. After you do tighten it it will get loose again
and then when you keep tightening it eventually the screw head will
break off with the rest of the screw lodged inside. This actually
happened to me. Lexicon had to send me a whole new set of mounting
hardware for the pedal. It was very nice of them to do this for me but
it's still too loose. Their support seems real good though.
It has some nice software features and can do what you ask, I think. But
the software is also full of bugs and may not do what it is supposed to
do for that one little thing that you really need it to.
>However, the Ground Control Pro and the All Access both seem to
> assume that the CC assignments are a one-time setup. I'd would like to make
> a program change and then have the CC's be different for a given program. I
> might want to the expression pedal to act as a WAH pedal in on program and
> then a Volume pedal in the next. I'd also like to have the CC assigned
> buttons act as stomp-box switches to enable/disable effects in my G-Major in
> one program and then be assigned to control my Electrix Repeater (live loop
> sampler) in the next.
>
> I'm not electronically included but I am tempted to start studying and build
> my own if I can't find anything on the market.
>
> Click below for some pics of my rig.
>
> http://members.shaw.ca/bdhay02/bradster_rig.html
>
> Cheers,
> Brad
>
> > Joey Goldstein
> > Guitarist/Jazz Recording Artist/Teacher
> > Home Page: http://www.joeygoldstein.com
> > Email: <joegold AT sympatico DOT ca>
--
Bradster
> Shit. So this means that TC is just lying about this feature. That sucks.
manual and report back.
>
> > I am trying to decide between the Rocktron All Access, DMC Ground
Control
> > Pro or the Behringer FCB1010. Any suggestions?
> Download the owner's manual for the All Access from Rocktron's web site.
> I think you're wrong about how the CC's are assigned per switch.
I will check it out. If it works the way I want then they might have a
customer. I spoke the called the owner of DMC (makers of Ground Control)
and was advised that their unit would not work the way I wanted. When I
asked if it would be considered for a future release he said no and didn't
seem to understand why I thought this would be useful. Another case of a
company thinking they know what's best for their customer. Arggh, I hate
that attitude!
Brad
Bradster
and help me lose weight. ;-)
Actually, the way I have the rig set up I only need to press Up or Down on
the G-Minor to change programs. All my effects are mapped to PC numbers so
it is easy to reconfigure. I can go from a real clean sound (no effects) to
shredding metal with effects up the wazoo (not that I'd want to) with one
button press.
Brad
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Thom_j.
only need one pedal to do all your controls that's even better!
thom_j.
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Joey Goldstein
I could use some more confirmation as to whether or not it's just me and
Bradster that are having this problem.
Anybody else out there have Global Input Volume assigned to a
controller? Does the tuner stay active with the volume at minimum on
your unit?
--
Joey Goldstein
OK. It's over. Somebody at TC finally got back to me and admitted that
the owner's manual was just plain wrong. He held out the hope though
that they might be able to fix it in software sometime in the (near?) future.
<snip>
After verifying your complaint on a G-Major our the support office, I
can confirm that the information in the manual appears to be incorrect,
and that the tuner does not perform the way it is described in the manual.
In the current software versions, the tuner detection is placed after
the input level. We are currently investigating whether it will be
possible to change this with a software updated. I will keep you
informed as soon as I know more. We do not have any software updates
planned as of yet.
If this error is really a major problem to you, please let me know what
you would like us to do, and I´m sure we will be able to find a proper solution.
<end snip>
Thom_j.
it appears to be written, they really do not have any intentions of
fixing the problem.. thom_j.
"Joey Goldstein" <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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Joey Goldstein
"Thom_j." wrote:
>
> Joey, are you going to keep it or dump it? I ask because the way
> it appears to be written, they really do not have any intentions of
> fixing the problem.. thom_j.
Well that feature was pretty important to me but all in all the this
thing is better suited to me than the thing it is replacing (Lexicon
MPXG2 + R1) so I guess I'm keeing it.
And I did not get the same impression from that answer as you did. They
have already issued 2 software updates for this thing that actually
added new features. I do not think that this is a hardware problem. So
there is hope.
Michael Porter
> Joey, are you going to keep it or dump it? I ask because the way
> it appears to be written, they really do not have any intentions of
> fixing the problem.. thom_j.
>
> "Joey Goldstein" <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:3D00D064...@nowhere.net...
> >
> > OK. It's over. Somebody at TC finally got back to me and admitted that
> > the owner's manual was just plain wrong. He held out the hope though
> > that they might be able to fix it in software sometime in the (near?)
> future.
Honestly, aside from the fact that the manual was wrong, I really
don't see any problem. You can disable the output with a button
push in order to tune, or you could assign a control pedal to the
output volume in order to tune. The thing sounds good enough,
and has enough features, to where one could work around that.
I like the relay for switching channels; that's a Good Thing.
I could never understand why Lexicon put it on the pedalboard
instead of on the unit, like the G-Major...
---Michael (of Gambit)...
Thom_j.
Thom_j.
so my un'informed comments were just querys an conjecture :)
Joey Goldstein
Just in case anybody is interested in this (I doubt it) I have found a
workaround and have made some suggestion to TC as to how they might go
about correcting this in a future update. Here is the text from my last
note to TC Support on this matter:
------------------------
I have had some time to fiddle some more with the G-Major and have come
up with some observations that may help your programmers in the future
to fix the problem with the tuner that I have detailed. I have also
found a workaround.
The tuner appears to placed in the FX chain between the Filter/Mod FX
Block and the Pitch FX Block as follows:
Input Jacks & Meters > Compressor FX Block > Filter/Mod FX Block > Tuner
> Pitch FX Block >, etc.
The Global Input Volume parameter appears to be active in the chain
right after the Input Jacks & Meters and, right before the Compressor Block.
In order for the Tuner and Global Input Volume feature to work together
as stated in the owner's
manual the tuner and the Global Input Volume Control would have to be
arranged either like this:
Input Jacks & Meters > Tuner > Global Input Volume > Compressor FX Block
> Filter/Mod FX Block > Pitch FX Block >, etc.
like this:
Input Jacks & Meters > Compressor FX Block > Tuner > Global Input Volume
> Filter/Mod FX Block > Pitch FX Block >, etc.
or like this:
Input Jacks & Meters > Compressor FX Block > Filter/Mod FX Block > Tuner
> Global Input Volume > Pitch FX Block >, etc.
Of those 3 choices the 3rd one is the most ideal. The problem with the
1st and 2nd configurations is that the GlbInVol placement will reduce
the level present at the Compressor's Input and the Filter's Input when
the GlbInVol is less than 0db. The compressor will work better if it
sees a steady level coming from the input, presumably from a guitar
preamp. Likewise, the Filter, when being used as something like an auto
wah effect, needs a steady input signal level.
The workaround I mentioned earlier is to not even use the GlbInVol
parameter at all but to use one of the 4 modulators available per preset
to control the Pitch Block's Output Level parameter.
(Note: This trick requires me to use either the Serial or Quasi Parallel
output Routings.)
So, I now have the Pitch block active in all my presets with the Mix
parameter at 0% for most programs, except the ones where I am actually
using one of the Pitch Block effects. I have M1 assigned to the Pitch
Output Level. In the MIDI/Util Menu I have the Mod Master parameter set
to Mod so that the position of my controller pedal is updated at the
same time that any MIDI program change commands are issued.
It works real well and it does not seem to degrade my signal by having
the Pitch Block active all the time even though I am not necessarilly
using any effects from the pitch Block. When I back off my controller
the volume goes down but the Tuner is still active.
This setup has the added benefit that I am able to use the Mod 1-4
controls to taper the curve of my controller pedal's response.
This setup has the added hassle of the extra programming involved from
preset to preset and the potential that some of the functionality of the
Pitch Block might be lost, although I have not yet run into this type of
a problem.
So now when someone comes to you complaining about the same thing I've
been complaining about you'll know more what to say to him/her.
I'm open to any discussion that you might want to get into about this
topic. As a matter of fact I was hoping you might be willing to hazard a
guess at how likely a software update dealing with this problem with the
Tuner/GlbInLev I've been talking about might be.
0% likely?
50% likely?
100% likely?
Can this particular problem actually be addressed in software or is it a
matter of how the hardware is wired?
Thanks.
Joey Goldstein
Michael Porter wrote:
>
> "Thom_j." <thom_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Joey, are you going to keep it or dump it? I ask because the way
> > it appears to be written, they really do not have any intentions of
> > fixing the problem.. thom_j.
> >
> > "Joey Goldstein" <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> > news:3D00D064...@nowhere.net...
> > >
> > > OK. It's over. Somebody at TC finally got back to me and admitted that
> > > the owner's manual was just plain wrong. He held out the hope though
> > > that they might be able to fix it in software sometime in the (near?)
> > future.
>
> Honestly, aside from the fact that the manual was wrong, I really
> don't see any problem. You can disable the output with a button
> push in order to tune,
You have to hold the Bypass button down for a full second before the
outputs are muted. Using that system would require me to:
1. Turn the volume pot on my guitar all the way down.
2. Step on my CC pedal and set it to maximum.
3. Walk over to my rack.
4. Press the Bypass button and wait one full second.
5. Turn the volume pot on my guitar back up.
6. Tune up.
7. Press Bypass button again.
8. Turn down the volume pot on the guitar.
9. Walk back over to my CC pedal and set it to a reasonable volume for
the next tune.
I don't have that kind of time between tunes and sometimes I like to be
able to tune up in the middle of a song too.
If I assigned the Output Mute function to a CC #, I do have an add on to
my MIDI pedal (ADA MXC) that would allow me to have a CC toggle switch
set up. The CC toggle for Mute Output is intantaneous. But that requires
lugging more shit to the gig, and setting it up, and more importantly,
tearing it down.
Before I figured out my current workaround (see other posts in this
thread) I had a couple of easy to get to program numbers that simply had
the G-Major's output muted. That would have been my current setup had I
not figured out the better workaround.
> or you could assign a control pedal to the
> output volume in order to tune.
See above.
> The thing sounds good enough,
It sounds real good, especially at the 48k sampling rate.
> and has enough features,
It's got great features and all of them seem to work perfectly except
for that one that I've been ranting about.
> to where one could work around that.
> I like the relay for switching channels; that's a Good Thing.
I'm using it with a Tri-Axis so channel switching is not a concern for
me. I need MIDI program changes to change between the 5 or 6 preamp
settings I generally use. Channel switching IS a good feature though in
a unit like this.
> I could never understand why Lexicon put it on the pedalboard
> instead of on the unit, like the G-Major...
This G-Major/ADA MXC rig of mine is actually replacing a Lexicon MPX
G2/R1 combination that I've been using now for about 4 years. The
Lexicon rig was a BIG disappointment, both units have real serious
issues, for me anyways, but I'm weird that way.
> ---Michael (of Gambit)...