Santa Cruz Tony Rice vs. Martin HD-28
Larry
Jeff Liberatore
"Larry" <bree...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Which would you recommend? Thanks
I would buy the one that sounded the best to me.
Play them both and decide for yourself. You'll be much happier. They are
both nice guitars.
--
Jeff
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Steve
Play them both, make YOUR choice.
I prefer the Tony Rice. I think it's more sensitive for fingerpicking, yet
retains a robust enough top for flatpicking without overloading too easily.
One of the best guitars I ever tried was a Santa Cruz Tony Rice. Blew my D-28
out of the water...
Steve (SEFSTRAT)
music webpage: http://members.aol.com/sefstrat/index.html/sefpage.html
Robert Barker
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'shoot-out' I read not too long ago. The Tony Rice is a sweet instrument,
and the SC build quality seems to be extremely consistent. Have fun
deciding!!! :+)
Jeff Liberatore
"Robert Barker" <rwba...@home.com> wrote in message
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Shootouts are complete BS to me... Who's doing the shootout, what's their
motive, and do they even know as much about whatever they're shooting out as
we do?
However, it's a good place to start if you know NOTHING at all... I look at
it this way... There are applications, and there are tools to get the job
done... No one can tell you which tool is right for your job... If I would
have learned that years ago, I would have spent a lot less money trying
stuff out AFTER I bought it. And then losing my ass when I'd sell it to get
the right tool. I ALWAYS end up selling the crap I bought based on a
"review"... I always end up keeping the stuff I liked when I was "searching"
for the right thing and fell in love with it at the store, or messed around
with at someone's house.
I've seen Guitar Player "review" the worst POS guitars and gave them glaring
reviews. But I'm old and VERY opinionated and have learned over the years to
trust my own ears.
YMMV, and all that stuff.
Jeff
AMost2001
>>
Well this has nothing to do with tone *WHATSOEVER* but if you're talking new -
a new SC Tony Rice is gonna cost ya 3200 & an HD-28 about 1700 - give or take a
few dollars. That's a pretty large gap.
Robert Barker
>
> "Robert Barker" <rwba...@home.com> wrote in message
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> > "Jeff Liberatore" <jlib...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "Larry" <bree...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > > Which would you recommend? Thanks
> > >
> > > I would buy the one that sounded the best to me.
> > >
> > > Play them both and decide for yourself. You'll be much happier. They
are
> > > both nice guitars.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff
> > > http://www.mp3.com/JeffLiberatore
> > > http://members.home.net/jeffliberatore/
> > > http://www.thejack.com
> > >
> Shootouts are complete BS to me... Who's doing the shootout, what's their
> motive, and do they even know as much about whatever they're shooting out
as
> we do?
>
> However, it's a good place to start if you know NOTHING at all... I look
at
> it this way... There are applications, and there are tools to get the job
> done... No one can tell you which tool is right for your job... If I would
> have learned that years ago, I would have spent a lot less money trying
> stuff out AFTER I bought it. And then losing my ass when I'd sell it to
get
> the right tool. I ALWAYS end up selling the crap I bought based on a
> "review"... I always end up keeping the stuff I liked when I was
"searching"
> for the right thing and fell in love with it at the store, or messed
around
> with at someone's house.
>
> I've seen Guitar Player "review" the worst POS guitars and gave them
glaring
> reviews. But I'm old and VERY opinionated and have learned over the years
to
> trust my own ears.
>
> YMMV, and all that stuff.
>
> Jeff
>
Well, you may be right, but the article I read seemed very even-handed, for
what that's worth, and as I recall, talked about things that made sense to
me, not that I'm a virtuoso, by any means, but it seemed fairly consistent,
as in praising the strong points of each instrument, and pointing out where
(in the reviewers opinion, of course) each came up short. I've played both
the HD-28 and the Tony Rice, and for my money, it's the Tony Rice. :+)
Jeff Liberatore
> From: "Robert Barker" <rwba...@home.com>
> Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster
> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 05:48:27 GMT
> Subject: Re: Santa Cruz Tony Rice vs. Martin HD-28
I was just being a little "opinionated" about the header itself, not that
anyone's subsequent reply to the original post was "wrong"...
The best answer to someone that obviously hasn't even played them is ; "go
out and play them for yourself"... Make your own decision, or ask questions
AFTER you've played them.
I was being obtuse.
Jeff
AMost2001
nice shawshank content
Jeff Liberatore
> From: amos...@aol.com (AMost2001)
> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
> Date: 14 Nov 2001 14:41:22 GMT
> Subject: Re: Santa Cruz Tony Rice vs. Martin HD-28
>
> << I was being obtuse. >>
>
>
> nice shawshank content
Yeah d0o0o0od... That's what I was *///going\\\* for!
Robert Barker
"Jeff Liberatore" <jlb...@westcamp.com> wrote in message
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>
>
<let's not go through all THAT again..whew..>
> I was just being a little "opinionated" about the header itself, not that
> anyone's subsequent reply to the original post was "wrong"...
>
> The best answer to someone that obviously hasn't even played them is ; "go
> out and play them for yourself"... Make your own decision, or ask
questions
> AFTER you've played them.
>
> I was being obtuse.
>
> Jeff
>
>
right?? Sheesh...seemed like you were being a bit testy to me....You old
curmudgeon, you...<BG> :+)
P.S. Also, as Andy kindly pointed out, at damn near double the ducats, I'd
be surprised if I didn't like the Tony Rice better. :+)
Jeff Liberatore
> From: "Robert Barker" <rwba...@home.com>
> Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster
> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:07:13 GMT
> Subject: Re: Santa Cruz Tony Rice vs. Martin HD-28
>
>
> "Jeff Liberatore" <jlb...@westcamp.com> wrote in message
> news:B817EA7B.F109%jlb...@westcamp.com...
>>
>>
> <let's not go through all THAT again..whew..>
>> I was just being a little "opinionated" about the header itself, not that
>> anyone's subsequent reply to the original post was "wrong"...
>>
>> The best answer to someone that obviously hasn't even played them is ; "go
>> out and play them for yourself"... Make your own decision, or ask
> questions
>> AFTER you've played them.
>>
>> I was being obtuse.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
> Did I say you were right in my *original* reply, or did I say you were
> right?? Sheesh...seemed like you were being a bit testy to me....You old
> curmudgeon, you...<BG> :+)
You seen my cane?
> P.S. Also, as Andy kindly pointed out, at damn near double the ducats, I'd
> be surprised if I didn't like the Tony Rice better. :+)
Yeah, and you'd think the guy would know that already. You can't help people
that won't help themselves... I could be wrong, he's probably a pro.
Jeff
AMost2001
right?? Sheesh...seemed like you were being a bit testy to me....You old
curmudgeon, you...<BG> :+)
P.S. Also, as Andy kindly pointed out, at damn near double the ducats, I'd
be surprised if I didn't like the Tony Rice better. :+)
>>
I might have been off a few but i don't think I've seen a TR for less than 3200
NEW & on the HD-28's maybe I was low, maybe 1700-1900 depending I guess.
Robert Barker
>
>
<Snipped>
> You seen my cane?
>
>
Psssstttt...I'm not supposed to tell you this, but Stanley's got it...:+)
> > P.S. Also, as Andy kindly pointed out, at damn near double the ducats,
I'd
> > be surprised if I didn't like the Tony Rice better. :+)
>
> Yeah, and you'd think the guy would know that already. You can't help
people
> that won't help themselves... I could be wrong, he's probably a pro.
>
> Jeff
>
Could be, or one of those guys who doesn't have to ask 'how much?'...Lucky
bastards...Heh. :+)
Robert Barker
"AMost2001" <amos...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I think what you said sounded about right, actual sale price, for the HD,
now I think the HD-28VR goes for a little more, although why open-back
butterbean tuners would justify a price increase is beyond me. As far as the
TR is concerned, the only dealer in these neck of the woods marks 'em at
what he'll sell 'em for, take it or leave it...again, what you wrote seemed
in the ballpark, although it's been awhile since I looked at one. :+)
T-Bone
> P.S. Also, as Andy kindly pointed out, at damn near double the ducats, I'd
> be surprised if I didn't like the Tony Rice better. :+)
Playing Devil's advocate here---
You might not like the Rice better.
The HD28 is a hell of an axe for the money, and like any production
guitar you can run into one that is head and shoulders above it's
brothers and sisters.
Point 2-
Steve Feder made a comparison with his D28 and a Rice.
IMO, that is not a valid comparison (between a D28 and an HD28).
Two different bracing patterns create two entirely different signature
sounds.
The HD28 is generally more responsive than a D28, making it a far better
choice for fingerstyle or a lighter attack. The D28 needs to be attacked
to get the most out of it. Both are good value guitars, but they're a
lot farther apart than you'd think two dreads which are made with the
same materials and made by the same company would be.
Unless- Steve was talking about an older D28 (1969 or older) in which
case all bets are off.
Bob Dorgan
Robert Barker
"T-Bone" <dor...@fltg.net> wrote in message news:3BF292...@fltg.net...
Point(s) well taken, as usual. My J-200 doesn't sound 'boomy' to me at all,
although I was told they were, before I bought it...There's a good low-end,
to be sure, but I find the guitar to be very nicely balanced...Go
figure..:+)
Don Wallace
The Santa Cruz may be a little better. But as it says above, there is a big
price difference
and I don't think that the SC is $1500 better. Get the Martin and use the
dough
you saved to play it while on the beach on vacation somewhere.
Don