Gibson buys Samick!
Mr. J
finalized. Heard from a Gibson dealer, today, that the deal is now done. He
sells Gibson, yet he is sick about it.
I've been playing since the sixties. Had my share of Gibsons. I can say,
without reservation, that the current Samick Pauls I've looked at beat out, in
overall quality control, their current Gibson inspirations, and for a lot less
money.
Which is exactly why Gibson has bought Samick.
There are a couple of Samicks I have to buy before they cost a lot more, with
Gibson on the headstock...
Have at it.
Steve
Where the hell would they get the money?!
Steve (SEFSTRAT)
music webpage: http://members.aol.com/sefstrat/index.html/sefpage.html
Odin
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Tone
made in the U.S. I don't think that Gibson buying Samick is a good thing.
Right now, a very nice guitar for a very nice price can be had in Samick, with
the name, Samick, on the headstock. Looking at current Gibson U.S. quality and
pricing, I doubt that Gibson bought Samick to keep the dollar/value/Samick
formula for the consumer intact.
Kate Ebneter
>
> >Gibson has bought Samick
>
> Where the hell would they get the money?!
Polfus?
Kate Ebneter
Collector of Noise Toys
Mr. Webb
>
> Kate Ebneter
> Collector of Noise Toys
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Kate Ebneter
>
> No, actually Samick bought Gibson. Gibson is broke.
That wouldn't actually surprise me. However, before people get too
into this story: There's not a word about it on the newswires. Either
way.
I'd be amazed if Gibson had the financial wherewithal to buy Samick,
and I'd be surprised if Samick wanted anything to do with Gibson
except as a supplier of Epiphones.
Mark Garvin
>I'd be amazed if Gibson had the financial wherewithal to buy Samick,
>and I'd be surprised if Samick wanted anything to do with Gibson
>except as a supplier of Epiphones.
Maybe the edges of their frets are too dull.
MG
Joe McNamara
Gibson has been negotiating to buy Samick for the last half a year or so,
according to the industry trades.
Joe
Steve
>according to the industry trades.
>Joe
>
Hilarious. With what?
Polfus
>From: sefs...@aol.comnospam (Steve)
>Gibson has been negotiating to buy Samick for the last half a year or so,
according to the industry trades.
Joe>
>Hilarious. With what?
Try to update your clock from 1985 to 2001.
Peace,
Polfus
http://www.geocities.com/PolfusPage
Odin
Polfus <pol...@aol.comREMOVE> wrote in message
> >Gibson has been negotiating to buy Samick for the last half a year or so,
> according to the industry trades.
> Joe>
>
> >Hilarious. With what?
>
> Try to update your clock from 1985 to 2001.
Oh shit! I accidentally updated to 2002 and Gibson was bankrupt. Let me
change it back real quick. There - all done.
Joe McNamara
>>From: sefs...@aol.comnospam (Steve)
>
>>Gibson has been negotiating to buy Samick for the last half a year or so,
>according to the industry trades.
>Joe>
>
>>Hilarious. With what?
>
Music Inc. will give you some background.
HTH
Kate Ebneter
>
> > No, actually Samick bought Gibson. Gibson is broke.
> >
> >That wouldn't actually surprise me. However, before people get too
> >into this story: There's not a word about it on the newswires. Either
> >way.
> >
> >I'd be amazed if Gibson had the financial wherewithal to buy Samick,
> >and I'd be surprised if Samick wanted anything to do with Gibson
> >except as a supplier of Epiphones.
>
> according to the industry trades.
Ayup. My amazement is short-lived. A certain manager at a certain local
Gibson dealer told me this as well, though he's not heard of a deal
being finalized yet.
Apparently, somehow, despite making half the guitars in the Universe,
Samick has managed to get itself in deep financial doo-doo. Since
Gibson relies on Samick to manufacture those lovely Epiphones, it
behooves Gibson to try to do whatever they can to save Samick's butt.
Apparently they _have_ had some difficulty coming up with the cash
that was required, but there are many ways to buy companies.
Gibson/Samick IPO, anyone?
Les Cargill
Steve wrote:
>
> >Gibson has been negotiating to buy Samick for the last half a year or so,
> >according to the industry trades.
> >Joe
> >
>
> Hilarious. With what?
>
Probably all those Les Pauls they didn't sell.
> Steve (SEFSTRAT)
> music webpage: http://members.aol.com/sefstrat/index.html/sefpage.html
Les Cargill
Kate Ebneter wrote:
>
> Joe McNamara wrote:
> >
> > > No, actually Samick bought Gibson. Gibson is broke.
> > >
> > >That wouldn't actually surprise me. However, before people get too
> > >into this story: There's not a word about it on the newswires. Either
> > >way.
> > >
> > >I'd be amazed if Gibson had the financial wherewithal to buy Samick,
> > >and I'd be surprised if Samick wanted anything to do with Gibson
> > >except as a supplier of Epiphones.
> >
> > Gibson has been negotiating to buy Samick for the last half a year or so,
> > according to the industry trades.
>
> Ayup. My amazement is short-lived. A certain manager at a certain local
> Gibson dealer told me this as well, though he's not heard of a deal
> being finalized yet.
>
> Apparently, somehow, despite making half the guitars in the Universe,
> Samick has managed to get itself in deep financial doo-doo.
Everybody in Asia is in deep financial doo-doo, or were at least a couple
of years ago. I don't knoe if they got bette ror not.
> Since
> Gibson relies on Samick to manufacture those lovely Epiphones,
They *are* nice guitars, you know. Really. There' a little finish
slop here, a slightly defective neckl there, but it's nice that
they are at that price point.
> it
> behooves Gibson to try to do whatever they can to save Samick's butt.
> Apparently they _have_ had some difficulty coming up with the cash
> that was required, but there are many ways to buy companies.
I heard Gibson forced them to take opium in payment, in exchange
for guitars, porcelain and tea.
>
> Gibson/Samick IPO, anyone?
>
> Kate Ebneter
> Collector of Noise Toys
Shawn Martin
all this stuff...
> Gibson has bought Samick.
Great. Now Gibson will do to Samick what they did to Slingerland...
bury them in a shallow grave in short order. Od course BEFORE they do
that, they'll either start charging 30% more for the Samicks or they'll
destroy the quality and charge the same (which Gibson did to their own
gear).
--
Shawn Martin
dru...@sunvalley.net
America's Ace Drummer Man Gene Krupa
http://www.drummerman.net
Boogie Finger
It's a good thing for Gibson to buy Samick, even if, (speculation here),
it's only the rights to their product line in the US.
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Steve
>in a very poor financial situation, however, I would not be surprised
>if Hartley Peavey steps up and buys Gibson. PEAVEY Les Paul, anyone
Naw. I heard from a reasonably reliable source that since his wife died sich a
tragic death, so young, Hartley is a lot less interested. Melia, his lady, was
very involved in Peavey. The problem with selling Peavey is that they are so
big, so vertically integrated, that no one can afford to buy them.
But reportedly they're not looking for MORE production. Also, they have never
done it that way; they always develop their own stuff and vertically integrate
it to the highest possible degree.
Charlie Escher
> >I doubt the validity of this report. From what I understand, Gibson is
> >in a very poor financial situation, however, I would not be surprised
> >if Hartley Peavey steps up and buys Gibson. PEAVEY Les Paul, anyone
>
> Naw. I heard from a reasonably reliable source that since his wife died sich a
> tragic death, so young, Hartley is a lot less interested. Melia, his lady, was
> very involved in Peavey. The problem with selling Peavey is that they are so
> big, so vertically integrated, that no one can afford to buy them.
>
> But reportedly they're not looking for MORE production. Also, they have never
> done it that way; they always develop their own stuff and vertically integrate
> it to the highest possible degree.
>
What about the Crest deal ? Looks like they're selling someone else's (superior,
IMO) technology pretty happily in that case, no ?
--Charlie E
Steve
I believe that was before Melia passed away, but I'm not sure.
Chris Johnson
Les Cargill wrote:
>
> Steve wrote:
> >
> > >Gibson has been negotiating to buy Samick for the last half a year or so,
> > >according to the industry trades.
> > >Joe
> > >
> >
> > Hilarious. With what?
> >
>
> Probably all those Les Pauls they didn't sell.
>
> Steve
Isn't it just amazing? Gibson was bought out a little over a decade
ago and was built back up into a desirable product again and now they're
sliding backwards once again. It seems fairly clear to me that Gibson
is screwing up on two fronts:
1: On their best instruments (Les Pauls, etc, and of course all archtop
and semi-hollowbody guitars) they're pricing themselves out of the
market
that most wants to buy the product. 5200 bucks for a Class 5 Les
Paul????
Are you nucking futs?!?!? They are trying to compete with PRS and
other
boutique brands JUST By raising the prices and adding in a few "modern"
cosmetic
details on existing models like nicer maple tops with more colorful
finishes
like PRS. At the level that Gibson buys wood, there's NO difference in
cost
between ordinary maple and 5A grade flamed maple, it all costs the same
at
the mill. But they're charging THOUSANDS more!!!
I build guitars. My newest one is a pretty darn close derivative of
a Les Paul. It would fool you at a distance of ten feet. Maybe closer.
I know what goes into making a Les Paul and they could be mass-produced
in enormous quantities and sold for 600 bucks, and they'd be as good
as the 5200 dollar Class 5. Finish, wood, electronics, and all.
A Standard is a SIMPLE guitar with BASIC trim.
And yet, the young guy who's a Slash-worshipper and wants a genuine Les
Paul
Standard can't get one because it costs more than he'll make all summer.
If only the scarecrow had a brain, Gibson would be selling affordable
Standards as fast as Fender sells your typical Strat.
2: They're coming with all kinds of stupid product ideas. I don't
know
HOW many versions of the SG they've tried to sell in the past decade
but if you had one of each, and only counting the discontinued models,
you'd have a guitar collection all by itself. They could do with TWO
versions, one classic and one modern derivative. Priced right, they'd
sell consistently. The Les Paul series would do fine with just
the Standard, the Custom, and the Classic, with various pickup options
and finish options available on each. And priced FAIRLY.
Fender hasn't come up with any new electric guitar types in literally
decades. Their whole guitar line can be defined as Stratocasters,
Telecasters,
and the budget student models (Bullets, etc.) that are basically the
kiddie versions of the same thing. Fender knows you don't need
anything NEW when you're established, you just need to stay connected
with
the market and keep your prices at a point where you can sell everything
you can make. Gibson forgot that and they'd better figure it out
really
quick. You can't make money if nobody can afford your product.
Chris
Wolfe Axe
JW
JuJu Voodoo
entities,
that this deal has been done, and that the parties involved are keeping
quiet
about it, for now. Neither Gibson or Samick have returned email on this
subject to me.
I just ordered a Samick Les Paul, set neck, in bubinga, with vintage style
tuners, set-up to get action no higher than 3 32s off the fretboard (not
fret)
at 12th fret on the high e with the rest balanced to par, and shipping...
for
$335.00. I've seen this particular model in person, and consider it better
than the epis I looked at and equal to a nice Gibson... and definitely
better
than some of the not-so-nice Gibsons I looked at, with the sharp fret edges
and baaaad day at the factory quality control problems.
I have my lines into good sources at good prices, and will pick up what I
want
while the models are still at the retailers. I don't trust Gibson to ensure
quality and price at current levels with regard to the top end Samick house
brand offerings.
I believe the rumor to be true; according to the info these dealers have, it
is. In any case, I've been putting off picking up some of these upper-end
Samicks. Good excuse to get some cheap thrills.
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Mark Garvin
>
>I just ordered a Samick Les Paul, set neck, in bubinga, with vintage
>style tuners, set-up to get action no higher than 3 32s off the
>fretboard (not fret) at 12th fret on the high e with the rest
>balanced to par, and shipping... for $335.00. I've seen this
>particular model in person, and consider it better than the epis I
>looked at and equal to a nice Gibson... and definitely better than
>some of the not-so-nice Gibsons I looked at
I don't ordinarily go crazy for Les Pauls, but I played one of
those, and I was surprised. Very nice fretwork--you're right
about that. Pretty heavy, though.
Hopefully, they'll be able to bring Gibson's QC up a notch if
that rumor is true.
MG
Not A Speck Of Cereal
Don't get yer hopes up. I've played one locally and they mop Gibsons
all over the floor, for the price. Pity to fool that pays the premiums
price for a high-priced, low-grade Gibson, when you can get this
Samick for such a great deal.
Chris
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"Les Cargill" <lcar...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> > Apparently, somehow, despite making half the guitars in the Universe,
> > Samick has managed to get itself in deep financial doo-doo.
>
> Everybody in Asia is in deep financial doo-doo, or were at least a couple
> of years ago. I don't knoe if they got bette ror not.
Not.
Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
Chris Johnson
guitars that are worth the price, and lowering their prices so that
those who WANT a Les Paul Standard can HAVE a Les Paul Standard
without having to hock their siblings to get it, then just
take a minute to send feedback to Gibson at their website.
If enough wheels start to squeak, they'll figure out that they
need to get out the grease and start making some quality instruments
at real world prices.
I'll start now.
CJ
JuJu Voodoo
>Well, here's an idea: If you'd like to see Gibson get better, offering
>guitars that are worth the price, and lowering their prices so that
>those who WANT a Les Paul Standard can HAVE a Les Paul Standard
>without having to hock their siblings to get it, then just
>take a minute to send feedback to Gibson at their website.
I can already get that, without Gibson on the headstock, for much less
money.
>If enough wheels start to squeak, they'll figure out that they
>need to get out the grease and start making some quality instruments
>at real world prices.
All that would happen now, is a Gibson made in the Samick factory, for more
money than a current top-end Samick.
>I'll start now.
Not me. Been a guitar man since '58. Had my share of Gibsons. The name used
to
mean a Superior Guitar, it really did. Not in 2001. Catch up accomplished.
I'll leave Gibson's shell game to others. Tough to con a con.
Think my next acquisition will be a cherry red set neck es335 knockoff with
bound f-holes, for 299 or less... My, "vintage," Gibson cherry red thing was
nice, but I prefer brand new, just as nice, for Much less $.
And, good luck on the guitars you make. Never know... an American company
that
makes a nice guitar for a decent price could really get over.
Espen Olsen
verdensomspennende internettet i <3B1A...@MailAndNews.com>:
>And, good luck on the guitars you make. Never know... an American company
>that
>makes a nice guitar for a decent price could really get over.
This actually exists... If you include Canada in the term "American".
Godin is supposed to make high quality instruments at sensible prices.
howldog
Not A Speck Of Cereal wrote:
>
> Pity to fool that pays the premiums
> price for a high-priced, low-grade Gibson, when you can get this
> Samick for such a great deal.
Long time ago I worked in this art studio and one of the things we made for comps were these hi-octane rub
off decals. I had an old Les Paul copy guitar, an Aria, pretty good guitar. Sprayed the headstock black,
stuck on a fake Gibson logo decal, spayed on some clear lacquer via the boys in the silkscreen shop.
Did a whole buncha gigs with it. Went to one audition and played it and the other guitarist, who was pretty
good, played the Aria and said, man, this is the best playing Gibson Les Paul I've ever played. If they
were all as good as this, I'd buy one.
heh.
Chris Johnson
While there are plenty of decent guitars out there that are as good
as a lot of some of Gibson's overpriced models, there are some
differences that are worth noting.
Let's face it, if you want a Les Paul, you probably want the
genuine article (a good one) and not a knockoff no matter
how good it is. There is such a thing as brand prestige.
I can't recall anyone EVER saying that he couldn't wait
to buy a Les Paul knockoff or copy.
If you want a Les Paul, you want one that LOOKS like
a Les Paul, and not some mutated 'copyright infringement safe'
variation which is all that's available on the new market
unless you're able to get someone to make one for you or
you make it yourself.
So, if you can land yourself a well-made mutation of a Les
Paul for, say, 400 bucks, would you be willing to buy
a genuine article Gibson Les Paul that's well made
and has the same features (Standard level, for the sake
of the discussion, with a decent bookmatched figured maple
top, single ply body binding, crown inlays, etc)
for a little extra, like maybe a total price of 500 bucks?
I think you would. I sure would.
And that's the point. People want the genuine article,
not a knockoff or a mutation, but they buy what they can
afford that still meets their needs. If Gibson were to
get smart, they could put a Standard in the hands of anyone
who wants it and can afford a run-of-the-mill Strat.
It would not require them to reduce their workforce but
would require them to go to more of an assembly line
system with CNC automated machinery doing most of the
millwork. And there are NO doubts about the level
of quality that's possible with such machines. There
would be no reason to ever have to hand fit a neck joint
because you'd know for certain that every neck would
fit any body perfectly. No mistakes, no errors.
It is not news to discover that carved tops on Les Pauls
have been machine carved for many years. If they can take
that labor saving step (which results in a more consistent
carve, too) then they should be able to adapt other
processes for machine manufacture as well.
Of course, there would still be a certain amount
of hand work involved and that's as it should be.
People play guitars and people need to make sure
they feel right. And I don't think there's a good
binding scraping machine anywhere on the planet.
The end result is, if Gibson were to play their cards
right, they could knock the 'student brands' and most
of their smaller competitors right on their ass and
out the door. And make tanker loads of money while
doing it.
Chris
JuJu Voodoo
holds no magic whatsover for me today.
Watch Gibson to pull a Gretsch. Wouldn't buy a Gretsch either. Cort Jim
Triggs
2, with set neck, two sweet buckers, and bigsby style whammy, available to
me
for 349 in Tennessee Orange. Have one already.
Can afford Gibson and Gretsch. No thanks. Nuff said.
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Chris Johnson
JuJu Voodoo wrote:
>
> Had Genuine American Made Gibson. Been there did that when it mattered. Name
> holds no magic whatsover for me today.
>
> Watch Gibson to pull a Gretsch. Wouldn't buy a Gretsch either. Cort Jim
> Triggs
> 2, with set neck, two sweet buckers, and bigsby style whammy, available to
> me
> for 349 in Tennessee Orange. Have one already.
>
> Can afford Gibson and Gretsch. No thanks. Nuff said.
>
There's another point to be made: Better, more consistent
instruments are possible with modern machinery doing
much of the work. The Triggs is undoubtedly built
of machine-milled parts, for the most part, as are all
good affordable guitars.
Gibson has definitely made some guitars that really didn't
do anything to enhance their reputation, but then again,
they've made their share of instruments that had that magic
to them that MADE their reputation to begin with.
The trick is to figure out what's the difference between
great guitar and a not so great guitar, and to leave out
the materials and processes that make the not so great
guitar while leaving in the ones that make a great one.
And, no matter what anybody says, there is no 'magic'
to making a neck with a comfortable feel and a great
fretjob. Good quality materials can be selected without
needing a deck of tarot cards, as well. Program up
the CNC machinery with a program for a very comfortable
neck and body and feed it top quality woods, and you'll
get an excellent product. Similar quality control in
all other production stages will guarantee an excellent
instrument, every time, and at great prices.
There is no reason why Gibson can't consistently crank
out great and inexpensive guitars that are equal to
or better than any competition except that they haven't
figured it out yet or haven't made the investment.
Chris
Wickedlykillerguitarplayingsonofabitch
appease all the people who, in their deluded and limited minds, don't
realize that quality costs, that they put out bad products, and you are
demanding that they do more of the same. If you want cheap, buy Ibanez,
Squire, or Samick.
I am very happy with all the Gibson guitars I have and have had. And,
I am one of the most discriminating SOBs around. If the PRS was really a
better guitar I'd have 10 of them. But the PRS guitars fall short for being
guitars for the virtuoso player and Gibson doesn't, neither does Ibanez,
Jackson, Schector or BC Rich. But, be prepared to pay PRS prices, and then
be prepared to have a better guitar than any PRS.
I use PRS as an example because they are the most pretentious and
overblown guitars ever made. A great marketing strategy PRS has, but for
making money, not for giving virtuoso players good guitars. Thank yourself,
or your god, if you have a primitive and superstitious mind that demands
that you do so, that you can still get a Gibson Les Paul or any one of
dozens of real player's guitars.
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MondoSlug4
making money, not for giving virtuoso players good guitars. >>
This explains the LJ-Jarl connection.
Chris Johnson
Wickedlykillerguitarplayingsonofabitch wrote:
>
> You're wrong, Gibson makes great instruments. It's only when they try and
> appease all the people who, in their deluded and limited minds, don't
> realize that quality costs, that they put out bad products, and you are
> demanding that they do more of the same. If you want cheap, buy Ibanez,
> Squire, or Samick.
> I am very happy with all the Gibson guitars I have and have had. And,
> I am one of the most discriminating SOBs around. If the PRS was really a
> better guitar I'd have 10 of them. But the PRS guitars fall short for being
> guitars for the virtuoso player and Gibson doesn't, neither does Ibanez,
> Jackson, Schector or BC Rich. But, be prepared to pay PRS prices, and then
> be prepared to have a better guitar than any PRS.
> I use PRS as an example because they are the most pretentious and
> overblown guitars ever made. A great marketing strategy PRS has, but for
> making money, not for giving virtuoso players good guitars. Thank yourself,
> or your god, if you have a primitive and superstitious mind that demands
> that you do so, that you can still get a Gibson Les Paul or any one of
> dozens of real player's guitars.
>
I think you totally misunderstood me.
I know that Gibsons makes killer guitars. I'd rather play
a Gibson than any other brand.
PRS guitars are moderately interesting but I never liked their
control options and they are, as you said, very pretentious.
The fact of the matter is, the best that any maker can hope
to do in building a guitar is to merely EQUAL Gibson's best
examples. You can't surpass a really first-rate Gibson
and you and I both know that because for the type, they're
essentially perfect!
However, there's no doubt that Gibson has made a lot of
guitars that didn't measure up to the highest standard, too.
And that's a problem that they should be working on correcting.
I've seen new Gibsons with fret jobs that were NOT what I'd
call acceptable and orange peel finishes as well, and poorly
scraped binding, all recently and all on instruments that were
new on the rack. I've seen new Danelectros with better fret
jobs.
It seems like you have to pay 2000 or more dollars to get
a fret job that's equal to a 300 dollar Danelectro's fret
work! That isn't right.
And, you've got to admit, 5200 bucks (retail) for a Class 5 Les
Paul is a bit silly. It's a variation on the Standard. Same
single ply binding, bookmatched maple top (A nice one, granted)
mahogany neck, etc...even the bridge is the old ABR-1 instead
of the more modern (and to my mind, much better) Nashville bridge.
And there's the longer neck tenon which I really think doesn't
matter at all. (This, from a manufacturing standpoint, only requires
two different joint templates. Like that's expensive???
The enlarged neck joint's a pointless idea anyway.
I've never seen any problem with a Les Paul's neck joint, have you?
Then they added in a few decent finishes to their regular options
and jacked up the price to 5200 bucks???
That's not right, either. The truth is that a Class 5 should
cost about 50 bucks more than a Standard, and a Standard can be
built (supposing it's done with a lot of automation) cheaply enough
to sell for 500 bucks.
I believe in Gibson's best. But they don't need to crank up their
prices to compete with overrated Parkers and PRSes, etc.
In fact they should be able to slash their prices by going to
modern automated processes and put out a consistently excellent
instrument.
People recognize quality at any price. A 500 dollar Standard
that is built to the highest standard would still be a better
guitar than any 5000 dollar PRS.
Chris
Jeff Liberatore
Please get a clue...
BTW, what's a virtuoso guitar player, and how is he better than other guitar
players?
Jeff (PRS Geek)
http://www.mp3.com/JeffLiberatore
http://members.home.net/jeffliberatore/
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Steve
I am one of the most discriminating SOBs around. If the PRS was really a
better guitar I'd have 10 of them. But the PRS guitars fall short for being
guitars for the virtuoso player and Gibson doesn't, neither does Ibanez,
Jackson, Schector or BC Rich. But, be prepared to pay PRS prices, and then
be prepared to have a better guitar than any PRS.>>
You left out "in my opinion".
These players seem to like PRS just fine:
Chris Henderson
Guitar
3 Doors Down
Tim Mahoney
Guitarist
311
Al Demeola
Vocals/Guitar
Al DeMeola Band
Larry Hanson
Guitarist
Alabama
Nick Lashley
Guitarist
Alanis Morrisette
Ed Robertson
Guitarist / Vocals
Barenaked Ladies
Steven Page
Guitarist / Vocals
Barenaked Ladies
Justin M-Johnson
Bass
Beck
Chris Peters
Guitar
Beth Hart
Ronnie Ecker
Guitarist
Betty in Black
Doug McCarvell
Guitar
Bif Naked
Steve Stevens
Guitarist
Billy Idol
Rob Echeverria
Guitarist
Biohazard
Paul Carbonara
Guitarist
Blondie
Larry Campbell
Guitarist
Bob Dylan
Brian Henneman
Guitarist
Bottle Rockets
David Ryan Harris
Guitar / Vocals
Brandnew Immortals
Will Turpin
Bass
Collective Soul
Ed Roland
Vocals/Guitar
Collective Soul
Ross Childress
Guitarist
Collective Soul
Jimmy Dormire
Guitarist
Confederate Railroad
Jimmy Buffett
Vocals/Guitar
Coral Reefer Band
Mark Tremonti
Guitarist
Creed
Ted Nugent
Vocals/Guitarist
Damn Yankees
Dave Matthews
Vocals/Guitar
Dave Matthews Band
Reaves Gabrels
Guitarist
David Bowie
Billy Roan
Guitarist
Deadlights
Derrick Trucks.
Guitarist
Derrick Trucks Band
Chris Robosan
Guitarist
Dial 7
Josh Wienberg
Guitarist
Dragmules
Sean Joplin
Guitarist
Dreamland
Art Alexakis
Vocals/Guitar
Everclear
Will Salazar
Guitar / Vocals
Fenix TX
James Black
Guitarist
Finger 11
Jock Bartley
Vocals/Guitar
Firefall
Steve Weinmeister
Vocals/Guitar
Firefall
Scott Fisher
Guitarist
Foam
Wayne Healey
Guitarist
Freddy Jones Band
Carl Bell
Guitarist
Fuel
Benji Coombs
Guitar
Good Charlotte
Warren Haynes
Guitarist
Gov’t Mule
Axl Rose
Vocals/Guitar
Guns &Roses
Chris Traynor
Guitar
Helmet
Mike Einziger
Guitarist
Incubus
Keith Jenkins
Guitarist
James Brown
Tim Curtin
Guitarist
Janet Jackson
Warner Hodges
Guitarist
Jason & The Scorchers
Jimmy Herring
Guitarist
Jazz Is Dead
Jimi Davies
Vocals/Guitar
Jimmies Chicken Shack
Pete Huttlinger
Guitarist
John Denver/Self
Goddfrey Townshend
Guitarist
John Entwhistle Band
Andy York
Guitarist
John Mellencamp
Neil Schon
Guitarist
Journey
Jonathan Cain
Guitarist / Keyboard
Journey
Peter Parente
Guitar
Julio Eglacias jr.
Rich Williams
Guitarist
Kansas
Bob Ritchie
Guitar / Vocals
Kid Rock
Craig DeFalco
Guitarist
Laidlaw
Buzzy James
Guitarist
Laidlaw
Wes Borland
Guitar
Limp Bizkit
Paul Berrere
Guitar
Little Feat
Cesar Rosas
Guitarist
Los Lobos
Ray Herdon
Guitarist
Lyle Lovett
James Olson
Guitarist
Mark Chestnut
Butch Walker
Guitarist/Vocals
Marvelous 3
Angelo Bruchini
Guitarist
Massive Attack
Kyle Cook
Guitarist
Matchbox 20
Adam Gaynor
Guitar
Matchbox Twenty
Melissa Etheridge
Guitar / Vocals
Melissa Etheridge Band
John Shanks
Guitarist
Melissa Etheridge Band
Mark Macoway
Guitarist
Moist
Bobby Ingram
Guitarist
Molley Hatchet
Nikki Sixx
Guitarist
Motley Crue
Mick Mars
Guitarist
Motley Crue
Chad Kroeger
Guitar / Vocals
Nickleback
Danny Lohner
Guitarist
Nine Inch Nails
Trent Reznor
Vocals/Guitar
Nine Inch Nails
Kai Markus
Guitarist
Noise Therapy/ Methods of Mayhem
Ric Ivanisevich
Guitarist
Oleander
Stuart Fraser
Guitarist
Olivia Newton-John
Taylor McLam
Guitarist
Orange 9mm
Jimmy Page
Guitarist
Page/Plant
Pat McGee
Guitar / Vocals
Pat McGee Band
Howard Leese
Guitarist
Paul Rodgers Band
Dewayne McKnight
Guitarist
P-funk
Micheal Hampton
Guitarist
P-funk
Larry LaLonde
Guitarist
Primus
Mike Scott
Guitarist
Prince
Mark Karan
Guitarist
Rat Dog/The Other Ones
James Olson
Guitar
Reba MacIntire
Kent Wells
Guitarist
Reba MacIntire
Dave Navarro
Guitarist
Red Hot Chili Peppers/Janes Addic.
Peter Buck
Guitarist
REM
Dave Cabrera
Guitar
Ricky Martin
Phil Hamilton
Guitarist
Roberta Flack
Chris Haskett
Guitarist
Rollins Band
Alex Lifeson
Guitarist
Rush
Victor Johnson
Guitarist
Sammy Hagar Band/Waboritas
Carlos Santana
Guitarist
Santana
Jorge Santana
Guitarist
Santana
David Sinclair
Guitarist
Sarah McLachlan
Vernon Reid
Guitar
Self
Robben Ford
Guitarist/vocals
Self
Felicity Hunter
Guitarist
Self
Brinsley Schwartz
Vocals/Guitar
Self
Carl Filipiak
Guitarist
Self
Jewel
Guitarist
Self
Levon Ichkhanian
Guitarist
Self
Lloyd Cole
Vocals/Guitar
Self
Marshall Crenshaw
Vocals/Guitar
Self
Steven Segall
Actor
Self
Adrian Belew
Voals/Guitar
Self/King Crimson
Clint lowery
Guitarist
Sevendust
Shannon Curfman
Guitar / Vocals
Shannon Curfman Band
Daniel Johns
Vocals/Guitar
Silverchair
Jeff Blando
Guitarist
Slaughter
Jeff Ried
Bass
SR-71
Pat Dement
Guitarist
Starseed Speed
Eric (Roscoe) Ambel
Guitar/Producer
Steve Earle Band
David Grissom
Guitarist
Storyville
John Mcdermott
Guitarist
Stroke 9
Jim McGorman
Guitar
Tal Bachman
Melvin Jordan
Guitarist
Temptations
Ralph Perucci
Guitars
The Dragons
Paul Smith
Guitar/Vocals
The Dragons
Barry Martin
Guitar/Vocals
The Hamsters
Mike Campbell
Guitarist
The Heartbreakers
Alphonso Johnson
Bass
The Other Ones
Jerry Jost
Guitarist
The Urge
Micheal Ward
Guitarist
The Wallflowers
Stephan Jenkins
Vocals/Guitar
Third eye blind
Denny Hemmingson
Guitars
Tim Mcgraw Band
Bob Minner
Guitarist
Tim Mcgraw Band
Steve Austin
Vocals/Guitar
Today is the Day
Tracy Chapman
Guitar /Vocals
Tracy Chapman Band
Adam Clayton
Bass
U2
Jerry Olivieria
Guitarist
Ultraspank
Neil Godfrey
Guitarist
Ultraspank
Bruce Kulick
Guitar
Union
Rob Brewer
Guitarist
Unwritten Law
Matt Scannell
Guitar / Vocals
Vertical Horizon
Kieth Kane
Guitar
Vertical Horizon
Ted Ledbetter
Guitarist
Virgos Merlot
Brent Broadfoot
Guitar
Wings of the Heart
Brett Detar
Guitarist
Zao
Ziggy Marley
Guitars ./ Vocals
Ziggy Marley Band
Guest
While my intention is not to share my opinion of PRS, the previous poster
said PRS fell short for a "virtuoso" player. I wouldn't classify the
majority of those players you listed as virtuosos.
Jeff Liberatore
"Guest" <enzo...@excite.com> wrote in message
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So, are you saying "virtuoso" means a guy like Satch, Vai, and EJ, et al?
If so, who really cares if those other guys aren't "virtuoso's"... They are
"guitar players" and a lot of them may be able to do that type of material
anyway... Take John Jorgenson for instance... He can do it all...
A PRS is not a "shred" style guitar... It's a well rounded instrument with
many capabilities and well suited to people who have to get many sounds from
one instrument...
While I like those "so called virtuosos" I also like other stuff too...
Anymore tho, wanking "virtuosos" bore the shit out of me.
What IS a "virtuoso" anyway? A shred master? I have had enough of that to
fill me for a long time, unless his name is Jeff Beck. Would his not being a
shred style guitar player make him less of a guitar player? Not to me...
"Virtuoso"= Over used term...
--
Jeff
http://www.mp3.com/JeffLiberatore
http://members.home.net/jeffliberatore/
Nunya Bidni
Nor would I classify the original poster as one, based on what I've heard.
Matthew Ivaliotes
> I use PRS as an example because they are the most pretentious and
>overblown guitars ever made. A great marketing strategy PRS has, but for
>making money, not for giving virtuoso players good guitars. Thank yourself,
>or your god, if you have a primitive and superstitious mind that demands
>that you do so, that you can still get a Gibson Les Paul or any one of
>dozens of real player's guitars.
Different guitars for different people, man. But anyone who denies that
Gibson has had QC problems on the non-historicl line of Les Pauls has
blinders on.
Gibson still makes some great guitars, and they virtually own certain
sounds. But personally, I've noticed that the image hounds don't play
PRS (at least not any more) precisely because they don't want to be
tagged 'bedroom guitarists' or yuppies or whatever. In this day of
vintage everything worship, Henry J could take a series of dumps, fashion
it into the shape of a guitar, and bake it solid, call it a "Henry's
Meal Reissue," and as long as it had 'nitro finish, dude,' some Big Two
addict would be busting out the credit card and slapping his wrist
preparation to take another hit.
The Big Two of today have only passing resemblance to the Big Two of years
gone by. They both still make some darn fine stuff, but image (disguised
as history) is one of the biggest things that they sell.
Matt I.
speaking only for myself
Not A Speck Of Cereal
[] > These players seem to like PRS just fine:
[]
[] While my intention is not to share my opinion of PRS, the previous poster
[] said PRS fell short for a "virtuoso" player. I wouldn't classify the
[] majority of those players you listed as virtuosos.
Al Demeola's pretty good, but I'll bet he doesn't strap on the PRS in
a live show. Endorsement is such a funny thing, for those that like to
cut'n paste from the PRS site (and then believe everything they read).
Les Cargill
Steve wrote:
>
> << I am very happy with all the Gibson guitars I have and have had. And,
> I am one of the most discriminating SOBs around. If the PRS was really a
> better guitar I'd have 10 of them. But the PRS guitars fall short for being
> guitars for the virtuoso player and Gibson doesn't, neither does Ibanez,
> Jackson, Schector or BC Rich. But, be prepared to pay PRS prices, and then
> be prepared to have a better guitar than any PRS.>>
>
> You left out "in my opinion".
>
Well, he's also quoting Jackson, Schecter and BC Rich, so he's probably looking
more
at shreddin' type axes (I'd guess). It's all a diversity thing.
> These players seem to like PRS just fine:
>
<snip>
> John Denver/Self
Really? Always thought him an Ovation man.
> Goddfrey Townshend
> Guitarist
> John Entwhistle Band
Now where have I heard that last name before? Charlie Daniels should name his
son Goddfrey.
<snip>
> Steve (SEFSTRAT)
> music webpage: http://members.aol.com/sefstrat/index.html/sefpage.html
You like it, you buy it. They aren't bad guitars.
But get a Tele anyway. HTH.
Les Cargill
Jeff Liberatore wrote:
>
> "Guest" <enzo...@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:9e69o7$j...@portal.gmu.edu...
>
> > > These players seem to like PRS just fine:
> >
> > While my intention is not to share my opinion of PRS, the previous poster
> > said PRS fell short for a "virtuoso" player. I wouldn't classify the
> > majority of those players you listed as virtuosos.
>
> So, are you saying "virtuoso" means a guy like Satch, Vai, and EJ, et al?
>
> If so, who really cares if those other guys aren't "virtuoso's"... They are
> "guitar players" and a lot of them may be able to do that type of material
> anyway... Take John Jorgenson for instance... He can do it all...
>
> A PRS is not a "shred" style guitar... It's a well rounded instrument with
> many capabilities and well suited to people who have to get many sounds from
> one instrument...
>
> While I like those "so called virtuosos" I also like other stuff too...
> Anymore tho, wanking "virtuosos" bore the shit out of me.
>
> What IS a "virtuoso" anyway?
From the online Merriam Webster:
3 : one who excels in the technique of an art; especially : a
highly
skilled musical performer (as on the violin)
4 : a person who has great skill at some endeavor <a computer
virtuoso> <a virtuoso at public relations>
- vir·tu·o·sic /-'O-sik, -zik/ adjective
- virtuoso adjective
> A shred master? I have had enough of that to
> fill me for a long time, unless his name is Jeff Beck. Would his not being a
> shred style guitar player make him less of a guitar player? Not to me...
>
> "Virtuoso"= Over used term...
I suspect the guy's talking about shreddin' axes.... I know at least
one shredder oriented guy who plays PRS. They got good necks and
nice trems. Why not?
Kate Ebneter
>
> << I am very happy with all the Gibson guitars I have and have had. And,
> I am one of the most discriminating SOBs around. If the PRS was really a
> better guitar I'd have 10 of them. But the PRS guitars fall short for being
> guitars for the virtuoso player and Gibson doesn't, neither does Ibanez,
> Jackson, Schector or BC Rich. But, be prepared to pay PRS prices, and then
> be prepared to have a better guitar than any PRS.>>
>
> You left out "in my opinion".
>
> These players seem to like PRS just fine:
<ridiculous list snipped>
Jesus, SEF, that was pathetically Polfus-like...
PRS makes nice guitars. Some people like them. Some people don't. I
don't agree with the original poster -- I think PRS guitars are the
equal of anybody else's. I don't care for them personally; they
just don't do it for me, but that's okay. I wouldn't say that they're
bad. But posting that silly list makes you look like Polfus after
someone's said something bad about Gibson. You're not on my favorite
people list, but you're usually better than that.
Kate Ebneter
Collector of Noise Toys
Kate Ebneter
>
> Steve wrote:
> >
> > << I am very happy with all the Gibson guitars I have and have had. And,
> > I am one of the most discriminating SOBs around. If the PRS was really a
> > better guitar I'd have 10 of them. But the PRS guitars fall short for being
> > guitars for the virtuoso player and Gibson doesn't, neither does Ibanez,
> > Jackson, Schector or BC Rich. But, be prepared to pay PRS prices, and then
> > be prepared to have a better guitar than any PRS.>>
> >
> > You left out "in my opinion".
> >
>
> Well, he's also quoting Jackson, Schecter and BC Rich, so he's probably looking
> more
> at shreddin' type axes (I'd guess). It's all a diversity thing.
>
> > These players seem to like PRS just fine:
> >
>
> <snip>
> > John Denver/Self
>
> Really? Always thought him an Ovation man.
I always thought him dead.
Actually, he played a variety of acoustics, although he used Ovations
live a lot (his big career days were when Ovations were about the only
option for unmiked live acoustic use). I always think of him (on the
rare occasions that I do, mind you) as a Guild man.
Matthew Ivaliotes
>Al Demeola's pretty good, but I'll bet he doesn't strap on the PRS in
>a live show. Endorsement is such a funny thing, for those that like to
>cut'n paste from the PRS site (and then believe everything they read).
Actually, Al first played PRS after commissioning an instruemnt from Paul
before he had a factory. I'm not sure he plays any production models now,
but he actually paid for his first PRS guitars, just like msot of Paul's
early endorsers.
~*MojoBlues*~
"Steve" <sefs...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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> These players seem to like PRS just fine:
>
>
> Chris Henderson
> Guitar
> 3 Doors Down
LOL!!!!
> Al Demeola
> Vocals/Guitar
> Al DeMeola Band
Perhaps once in a blue moon, when he isn't playing is 335 or LP.
> Ed Roland
> Vocals/Guitar
> Collective Soul
> Ross Childress
> Guitarist
> Collective Soul
Two of the few guys on the planet who can get a good sound of a PRS.
> Mark Tremonti
> Guitarist
> Creed
LOL again!!!
> Dave Matthews
> Vocals/Guitar
> Dave Matthews Band
See above....
> Warren Haynes
> Guitarist
> Gov't Mule
See him live. Nothing but the LP or the Explorer for Mule shows.
> Axl Rose
> Vocals/Guitar
> Guns &Roses
How much guitar do you think Axl really plays?
> Wes Borland
> Guitar
> Limp Bizkit
LOL x 1000!!
> Carlos Santana
> Guitarist
> Santana
His tone went to shit when he stopped playing SG's.
> Daniel Johns
> Vocals/Guitar
> Silverchair
You're not making much of a case for the instrument here....
> David Grissom
> Guitarist
> Storyville
Storyville is no more.
Nice work cutting and pasting from the PRS website.
Rob
~*MojoBlues*~
I wouldn't classify the majority of them as "guitarists."
Rob
~*MojoBlues*~
"Nunya Bidni" <sound...@home.com> wrote in message
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LMAO!!!
I'm as dead as the bad guy in a Clint Eastwood movie.
Rob
Les Cargill
Kate Ebneter wrote:
>
> Les Cargill wrote:
> >
> > Steve wrote:
> > >
> > > << I am very happy with all the Gibson guitars I have and have had. And,
> > > I am one of the most discriminating SOBs around. If the PRS was really a
> > > better guitar I'd have 10 of them. But the PRS guitars fall short for being
> > > guitars for the virtuoso player and Gibson doesn't, neither does Ibanez,
> > > Jackson, Schector or BC Rich. But, be prepared to pay PRS prices, and then
> > > be prepared to have a better guitar than any PRS.>>
> > >
> > > You left out "in my opinion".
> > >
> >
> > Well, he's also quoting Jackson, Schecter and BC Rich, so he's probably looking
> > more
> > at shreddin' type axes (I'd guess). It's all a diversity thing.
> >
> > > These players seem to like PRS just fine:
> > >
> >
> > <snip>
> > > John Denver/Self
> >
> > Really? Always thought him an Ovation man.
>
> I always thought him dead.
>
Recently, anyway. General aviation is an unforgiving hobby.
> Actually, he played a variety of acoustics, although he used Ovations
> live a lot (his big career days were when Ovations were about the only
> option for unmiked live acoustic use).
Yeah. That's what I meant. I doubt he recorded with 'em.
> I always think of him (on the
> rare occasions that I do, mind you) as a Guild man.
Ah.
>
> Kate Ebneter
> Collector of Noise Toys
Polfus
>From: Atlas
>Atlas
>(PRS owner since 1985)
Post a pic of it.
Frank A Muller
<snip>
> > Daniel Johns
> > Vocals/Guitar
> > Silverchair
Daniel Johns plays a PRS? Has he covered in stickers yet, like his other
guitars? Has he learned another chord yet? Does anyone really care about
silverchair? (Note correct use of lower-case "s".) Here in Australia they
are affectionately known as "Nirvana In Pyjamas". Basically a bunch of
over-hyped schoolkids who've been watching too many vids and not doing
nearly enough homework.
Now as for me, I did all of my homework, didn't watch any vids (they hadn't
been invented when I was at high school) and I play an Epiphone. And I know
at least four chords. And no one's bought any of my records. Er, is there a
lesson to be learned here?
Frank A Muller
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"Atlas" <c1su...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On Sat, 19 May 2001 21:46:58 -0400, "~*MojoBlues*~"
> <jco...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
> >> Al Demeola
> >> Vocals/Guitar
> >> Al DeMeola Band
> >
> >Perhaps once in a blue moon, when he isn't playing is 335 or LP.
>
> spelling) playing a 335. Not once. Not ever.
Sorry, this should have read "135." I could be wrong, but I think there's a
picture of him with the 135 on the back of "Orange and Blue."
Rob
Chris Johnson
Gibson Les Paul with an incredible top recently. But I don't
know if he uses it live. I'd bet he does, when you consider
that he's still probably best known for playing a Black Beauty
Les Paul Custom.
The first time I ever saw a PRS was WAAY back when he did
one of the earliest music videos for his tune 'Sequencer'
which is still one of my favorite guitar instrumentals.
I believe that was around 1983, and if I recall there
was definitely a PRS in that video and I think it was black.
This is just my speculation here, but I'm guessing that
track's main purpose was to play with all of the tones
of his new PRS on one track. There are several good
tones here, for sure.
Chris
Guest
I believe that's what the OP's intention was.
> If so, who really cares if those other guys aren't "virtuoso's"...
Besides my point. MY point was that Steve missed that the OP said that
PRS's aren't made for "viruosos". As the OP said, they're good guitars,
just other models may better suit a "virtuoso". Seems like you more or less
agree.
Jeff Liberatore
"~*MojoBlues*~" <jco...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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They PLAY the guitar... They ARE guitarists... They are on records, they are
professionals... How do you not see that?
Jeff
>
> Rob
>
>
Jeff Liberatore
"Les Cargill" <lcar...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Well, I knew what it really means Les... But thanx ;-)
> > A shred master? I have had enough of that to
> > fill me for a long time, unless his name is Jeff Beck. Would his not
being a
> > shred style guitar player make him less of a guitar player? Not to me...
> >
> > "Virtuoso"= Over used term...
>
> I suspect the guy's talking about shreddin' axes.... I know at least
> one shredder oriented guy who plays PRS. They got good necks and
> nice trems. Why not?
Shhhhhhh... Don't let the shredders know they can be used for that...
Jeff
Jeff Liberatore
> > So, are you saying "virtuoso" means a guy like Satch, Vai, and EJ, et
al?
>
> I believe that's what the OP's intention was.
I know, I was being a smartass...
>
> > If so, who really cares if those other guys aren't "virtuoso's"...
>
> Besides my point. MY point was that Steve missed that the OP said that
> PRS's aren't made for "viruosos". As the OP said, they're good guitars,
> just other models may better suit a "virtuoso". Seems like you more or
less
> agree.
Not really... Any good guitar player can play ANY well set up guitar and
make it bad to the bone... Personally, I have 3 PRS guitars... They suit me
just fine... I don't claim to be a shredder but they're "shredderable"...
;-)
Jeff
>
>
>
Steve
>> Guitarist
>> Storyville
>
>Storyville is no more.
Relevance?
>Nice work cutting and pasting from the PRS website.
>
>Rob
Nice work expressing your silly-assed zygote opinions. I loved this one:
>
>
>> Ed Roland
>> Vocals/Guitar
>> Collective Soul
>> Ross Childress
>> Guitarist
>> Collective Soul
>
>Two of the few guys on the planet who can get a good sound of a PRS.
and this one:
>> Carlos Santana
>> Guitarist
>> Santana
>
>His tone went to shit when he stopped playing SG's.
>
You really are a funny little kid.
Steve
But their record(s) live on.
Atlas>>
Gee, Grissom still plays pretty good.
PRS guitars, too, I think....
I thought that was kinda the point...
Steve
Rob
>>
Yet they earn their living playing guitar, we know who they are, and we can buy
their recordings.
You, OTOH, are a nobody schoolkid.
Hmmm.
Steve
> PRS's aren't made for "viruosos". As the OP said, they're good guitars,
> just other models may better suit a "virtuoso".>>
Virtuoso. Segovia'd not like 'em, that's for sure.
But I put folks like David Grissom on a pretty high plane, playing-wise.
Jeff Liberatore
"Steve" <sefs...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
> <<Storyville is no more.
>
> But their record(s) live on.
>
>
> Atlas>>
>
> Gee, Grissom still plays pretty good.
>
> PRS guitars, too, I think....
>
> I thought that was kinda the point...
Plus he'll show up somewhere else soon enough... He's already had a great
career anyway... I don't really care for Mellencamp, but his work on his
albums is stellar... (IMO)
Jeff
howldog
Steve wrote:
>
> But I put folks like David Grissom on a pretty high plane, playing-wise.
>
well yeah. Arent most guys here in agreement that PRS guitars are at least
good, if not excellent?
I'm shopping around for a versatile guitar, and this guy last night at the gig
said, isnt it about time you got a PRS? And I said, they're great guitars. I
just dont happen to like them.
Jeff Liberatore
"howldog" <how...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3B07F42B...@yahoo.com...
>
>
> Steve wrote:
>
> >
> > But I put folks like David Grissom on a pretty high plane, playing-wise.
> >
>
> well yeah. Arent most guys here in agreement that PRS guitars are at least
> good, if not excellent?
I would at least hope so... I get tired of people branding others for the
instruments they play... Just play the fucker... Some of the responses are
infantile... I take mine to the gigs and record with them... They sound fine
and play great for ME... What's the big deal... I'd just as soon PRS went
underground and weren't considered such a phallic/status symbol like they
are now... People always ask me "what kind of guitars are those?" and I tell
them... It's a compliment to me that they think they sound good... The
guitar's not making the sounds, the player is... Pretty simple concept, eh?
> I'm shopping around for a versatile guitar, and this guy last night at the
gig
> said, isnt it about time you got a PRS? And I said, they're great guitars.
I
> just dont happen to like them.
Yeah, there are a LOT of great guitars to be had... The feel is the feel...
And if something doesn't feel right you don't want it... Find something that
suits you, right? Just because something costs $2000 dollars doesn't mean
everyone's gonna like it... It's a tool man...
What about a Parker Fly for live versatility... They are about the
antithesis if a PRS feel wise...
Jeff
howldog
Jeff Liberatore wrote:
>
> > well yeah. Arent most guys here in agreement that PRS guitars are at least
> > good, if not excellent?
>
> I would at least hope so... I get tired of people branding others for the
> instruments they play...
yeah I guess so. Some of it I think is pure chain yank. I guess there are other
guys who honestly believe they are "better" than you because their guitar or amp
is "better". Those guys are idiots. I do gigs with a 200 hundred dollar PeeVee
amp and I laugh at them.
>
> Yeah, there are a LOT of great guitars to be had... The feel is the feel...
> And if something doesn't feel right you don't want it...
I've played a shitload of great guitars and so far only this retarded freak of
nature guitar that no one else wants, and no retailer will carry, is the only
one that I really get groovy all over. Funny what that says about me.
>
>
> What about a Parker Fly for live versatility... They are about the
> antithesis if a PRS feel wise...
they are interesting. Part of my weirdness is that the fretboard has to have
dots. I'm old and stoopid and I get lost without my little roadmap.
Of course I get lost with the map too. But I can at least follow the dots for a
mile or two before I drive off the cliff.
T-Bug
also endorses the Fender Cyber Twin. Go figure!
Parker
P.S. Endorsements are for cash. Not for a player's blessing as excellence.
"Steve" <sefs...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20010519130752...@ng-fh1.aol.com...
> << I am very happy with all the Gibson guitars I have and have had. And,
> I am one of the most discriminating SOBs around. If the PRS was really a
> better guitar I'd have 10 of them. But the PRS guitars fall short for
being
> guitars for the virtuoso player and Gibson doesn't, neither does Ibanez,
> Jackson, Schector or BC Rich. But, be prepared to pay PRS prices, and then
> be prepared to have a better guitar than any PRS.>>
>
> You left out "in my opinion".
>
> These players seem to like PRS just fine:
>
>
> Chris Henderson
> Guitar
> 3 Doors Down
> Tim Mahoney
> Guitarist
> 311
> Al Demeola
> Vocals/Guitar
> Al DeMeola Band
> Larry Hanson
> Guitarist
> Alabama
> Nick Lashley
> Guitarist
> Alanis Morrisette
> Ed Robertson
> Guitarist / Vocals
> Barenaked Ladies
> Steven Page
> Guitarist / Vocals
> Barenaked Ladies
> Justin M-Johnson
> Bass
> Beck
> Chris Peters
> Guitar
> Beth Hart
> Ronnie Ecker
> Guitarist
> Betty in Black
> Doug McCarvell
> Guitar
> Bif Naked
> Steve Stevens
> Guitarist
> Billy Idol
> Rob Echeverria
> Guitarist
> Biohazard
> Paul Carbonara
> Guitarist
> Blondie
> Larry Campbell
> Guitarist
> Bob Dylan
> Brian Henneman
> Guitarist
> Bottle Rockets
> David Ryan Harris
> Guitar / Vocals
> Brandnew Immortals
> Will Turpin
> Bass
> Collective Soul
> Ed Roland
> Vocals/Guitar
> Collective Soul
> Ross Childress
> Guitarist
> Collective Soul
> Jimmy Dormire
> Guitarist
> Confederate Railroad
> Jimmy Buffett
> Vocals/Guitar
> Coral Reefer Band
> Mark Tremonti
> Guitarist
> Creed
> Ted Nugent
> Vocals/Guitarist
> Damn Yankees
> Dave Matthews
> Vocals/Guitar
> Dave Matthews Band
> Reaves Gabrels
> Guitarist
> David Bowie
> Billy Roan
> Guitarist
> Deadlights
> Derrick Trucks.
> Guitarist
> Derrick Trucks Band
> Chris Robosan
> Guitarist
> Dial 7
> Josh Wienberg
> Guitarist
> Dragmules
> Sean Joplin
> Guitarist
> Dreamland
> Art Alexakis
> Vocals/Guitar
> Everclear
> Will Salazar
> Guitar / Vocals
> Fenix TX
> James Black
> Guitarist
> Finger 11
> Jock Bartley
> Vocals/Guitar
> Firefall
> Steve Weinmeister
> Vocals/Guitar
> Firefall
> Scott Fisher
> Guitarist
> Foam
> Wayne Healey
> Guitarist
> Freddy Jones Band
> Carl Bell
> Guitarist
> Fuel
> Benji Coombs
> Guitar
> Good Charlotte
> Warren Haynes
> Guitarist
> Gov't Mule
> Axl Rose
> Vocals/Guitar
> Guns &Roses
> Chris Traynor
> Guitar
> Helmet
> Mike Einziger
> Guitarist
> Incubus
> Keith Jenkins
> Guitarist
> James Brown
> Tim Curtin
> Guitarist
> Janet Jackson
> Warner Hodges
> Guitarist
> Jason & The Scorchers
> Jimmy Herring
> Guitarist
> Jazz Is Dead
> Jimi Davies
> Vocals/Guitar
> Jimmies Chicken Shack
> Pete Huttlinger
> Guitarist
> John Denver/Self
> Goddfrey Townshend
> Guitarist
> John Entwhistle Band
> Andy York
> Guitarist
> John Mellencamp
> Neil Schon
> Guitarist
> Journey
> Jonathan Cain
> Guitarist / Keyboard
> Journey
> Peter Parente
> Guitar
> Julio Eglacias jr.
> Rich Williams
> Guitarist
> Kansas
> Bob Ritchie
> Guitar / Vocals
> Kid Rock
> Craig DeFalco
> Guitarist
> Laidlaw
> Buzzy James
> Guitarist
> Laidlaw
> Wes Borland
> Guitar
> Limp Bizkit
> Paul Berrere
> Guitar
> Little Feat
> Cesar Rosas
> Guitarist
> Los Lobos
> Ray Herdon
> Guitarist
> Lyle Lovett
> James Olson
> Guitarist
> Mark Chestnut
> Butch Walker
> Guitarist/Vocals
> Marvelous 3
> Angelo Bruchini
> Guitarist
> Massive Attack
> Kyle Cook
> Guitarist
> Matchbox 20
> Adam Gaynor
> Guitar
> Matchbox Twenty
> Melissa Etheridge
> Guitar / Vocals
> Melissa Etheridge Band
> John Shanks
> Guitarist
> Melissa Etheridge Band
> Mark Macoway
> Guitarist
> Moist
> Bobby Ingram
> Guitarist
> Molley Hatchet
> Nikki Sixx
> Guitarist
> Motley Crue
> Mick Mars
> Guitarist
> Motley Crue
> Chad Kroeger
> Guitar / Vocals
> Nickleback
> Danny Lohner
> Guitarist
> Nine Inch Nails
> Trent Reznor
> Vocals/Guitar
> Nine Inch Nails
> Kai Markus
> Guitarist
> Noise Therapy/ Methods of Mayhem
> Ric Ivanisevich
> Guitarist
> Oleander
> Stuart Fraser
> Guitarist
> Olivia Newton-John
> Taylor McLam
> Guitarist
> Orange 9mm
> Jimmy Page
> Guitarist
> Page/Plant
> Pat McGee
> Guitar / Vocals
> Pat McGee Band
> Howard Leese
> Guitarist
> Paul Rodgers Band
> Dewayne McKnight
> Guitarist
> P-funk
> Micheal Hampton
> Guitarist
> P-funk
> Larry LaLonde
> Guitarist
> Primus
> Mike Scott
> Guitarist
> Prince
> Mark Karan
> Guitarist
> Rat Dog/The Other Ones
> James Olson
> Guitar
> Reba MacIntire
> Kent Wells
> Guitarist
> Reba MacIntire
> Dave Navarro
> Guitarist
> Red Hot Chili Peppers/Janes Addic.
> Peter Buck
> Guitarist
> REM
> Dave Cabrera
> Guitar
> Ricky Martin
> Phil Hamilton
> Guitarist
> Roberta Flack
> Chris Haskett
> Guitarist
> Rollins Band
> Alex Lifeson
> Guitarist
> Rush
> Victor Johnson
> Guitarist
> Sammy Hagar Band/Waboritas
> Carlos Santana
> Guitarist
> Santana
> Jorge Santana
> Guitarist
> Santana
> David Sinclair
> Guitarist
> Sarah McLachlan
> Vernon Reid
> Guitar
> Self
> Robben Ford
> Guitarist/vocals
> Self
> Felicity Hunter
> Guitarist
> Self
> Brinsley Schwartz
> Vocals/Guitar
> Self
> Carl Filipiak
> Guitarist
> Self
> Jewel
> Guitarist
> Self
> Levon Ichkhanian
> Guitarist
> Self
> Lloyd Cole
> Vocals/Guitar
> Self
> Marshall Crenshaw
> Vocals/Guitar
> Self
> Steven Segall
> Actor
> Self
> Adrian Belew
> Voals/Guitar
> Self/King Crimson
> Clint lowery
> Guitarist
> Sevendust
> Shannon Curfman
> Guitar / Vocals
> Shannon Curfman Band
> Daniel Johns
> Vocals/Guitar
> Silverchair
> Jeff Blando
> Guitarist
> Slaughter
> Jeff Ried
> Bass
> SR-71
> Pat Dement
> Guitarist
> Starseed Speed
> Eric (Roscoe) Ambel
> Guitar/Producer
> Steve Earle Band
> David Grissom
> Guitarist
> Storyville
> John Mcdermott
> Guitarist
> Stroke 9
> Jim McGorman
> Guitar
> Tal Bachman
> Melvin Jordan
> Guitarist
> Temptations
> Ralph Perucci
> Guitars
> The Dragons
> Paul Smith
> Guitar/Vocals
> The Dragons
> Barry Martin
> Guitar/Vocals
> The Hamsters
> Mike Campbell
> Guitarist
> The Heartbreakers
> Alphonso Johnson
> Bass
> The Other Ones
> Jerry Jost
> Guitarist
> The Urge
> Micheal Ward
> Guitarist
> The Wallflowers
> Stephan Jenkins
> Vocals/Guitar
> Third eye blind
> Denny Hemmingson
> Guitars
> Tim Mcgraw Band
> Bob Minner
> Guitarist
> Tim Mcgraw Band
> Steve Austin
> Vocals/Guitar
> Today is the Day
> Tracy Chapman
> Guitar /Vocals
> Tracy Chapman Band
> Adam Clayton
> Bass
> U2
> Jerry Olivieria
> Guitarist
> Ultraspank
> Neil Godfrey
> Guitarist
> Ultraspank
> Bruce Kulick
> Guitar
> Union
> Rob Brewer
> Guitarist
> Unwritten Law
> Matt Scannell
> Guitar / Vocals
> Vertical Horizon
> Kieth Kane
> Guitar
> Vertical Horizon
> Ted Ledbetter
> Guitarist
> Virgos Merlot
> Brent Broadfoot
> Guitar
> Wings of the Heart
> Brett Detar
> Guitarist
> Zao
> Ziggy Marley
> Guitars ./ Vocals
> Ziggy Marley Band
Steve
Steve wrote:
just dont happen to like them.>?>
Well, they don;t really have a signature tone; my fave tone from my PRSi is
kind of a Fenderlike (snappy) attack with a Gibsonesque (thicker) tone.
They're hybrids, of a sort.
They are well made, play like butter, are pretty, and are extremely versatile.
They produce a very wide range of tones, more so than most other guitars.
Some like 'em, some don't. The line's so big now that I'm not sure there's one
"PRS feel" or vibe any more, though.
I wanna try one of the new cheapies, the Santana SE. Wonder how they've done
with their import; it's priced almost like a strat!
Jeff Liberatore
>
>
> Jeff Liberatore wrote:
>
> >
> > > well yeah. Arent most guys here in agreement that PRS guitars are at
least
> > > good, if not excellent?
> >
> > I would at least hope so... I get tired of people branding others for
the
> > instruments they play...
>
> yeah I guess so. Some of it I think is pure chain yank. I guess there are
other
> guys who honestly believe they are "better" than you because their guitar
or amp
> is "better". Those guys are idiots. I do gigs with a 200 hundred dollar
PeeVee
> amp and I laugh at them.
Yeah, I made fun of your peevee amp once, but I was joking around... I could
really care less what someone uses... It's whatever works for you... That's
really ALL that matters...
> > Yeah, there are a LOT of great guitars to be had... The feel is the
feel...
> > And if something doesn't feel right you don't want it...
>
> I've played a shitload of great guitars and so far only this retarded
freak of
> nature guitar that no one else wants, and no retailer will carry, is the
only
> one that I really get groovy all over. Funny what that says about me.
What is it?
> > What about a Parker Fly for live versatility... They are about the
> > antithesis if a PRS feel wise...
>
> they are interesting. Part of my weirdness is that the fretboard has to
have
> dots. I'm old and stoopid and I get lost without my little roadmap.
ME TOO!!!
> Of course I get lost with the map too. But I can at least follow the dots
for a
> mile or two before I drive off the cliff.
Dude, I gotta have the dots too man... It's hard to play the right notes
without them when your drunk and the lights are flashing and stuff, girls
dancing, boobs flying, asses shaking, It's hard to concentrate... Where's
Giri when you need dots anyway...? I'm sure he has a few to spare!
Jeff
Steve
also endorses the Fender Cyber Twin. Go figure!>>
So? Hew endorses one company's amp, another company's guitar.
I have a friend who bought a Cybertwin--he's got a LOT of hear and has a good
ear....and he loves it.
Jeff Liberatore
"Steve" <sefs...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
> <<
>
> Steve wrote:
>
> >
> > But I put folks like David Grissom on a pretty high plane, playing-wise.
> >
>
> well yeah. Arent most guys here in agreement that PRS guitars are at least
> good, if not excellent?
>
> I'm shopping around for a versatile guitar, and this guy last night at the
gig
> said, isnt it about time you got a PRS? And I said, they're great guitars.
I
> just dont happen to like them.>?>
>
> Well, they don;t really have a signature tone; my fave tone from my PRSi
is
> kind of a Fenderlike (snappy) attack with a Gibsonesque (thicker) tone.
> They're hybrids, of a sort.
Yup... that's pretty much it...
>
> They are well made, play like butter, are pretty, and are extremely
versatile.
> They produce a very wide range of tones, more so than most other guitars.
That too!
>
> Some like 'em, some don't. The line's so big now that I'm not sure
there's one
> "PRS feel" or vibe any more, though.
No, there isn't... I have a Custom 24, a Custom 22 Soapbar, and a Swamp ash
special... They ALL sound like a PRS, but they all sound completely
different... I use different guitars for different stuff... But I could play
either of them all nite long if I had to...
They are ALL 3 quite versatile... The Swamp Ash is probably the most
versatile of the three tho. But the others are close.
> I wanna try one of the new cheapies, the Santana SE. Wonder how they've
done
> with their import; it's priced almost like a strat!
I haven't even seen a real one yet... Have you?
Jeff
howldog
Jeff Liberatore wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, I made fun of your peevee amp once, but I was joking around...
and it didnt stop me from continuing to use the amp and get paid for it ;-)
>
> What is it?
Albert Lee Music Man guitar. Impossible to find. Have about given up. Looking at
other alternatives. Might get a Parker and paint dots on the fretboard. Heh.
that would be an entirely trailer trashy exercise.
hey Mark Farner plays a Parker. Need I say more?
Yesterday at a used gear store I found this ancient ragged Ibanez Roadstar that
played like a dream. Some fool had stuck a floating trem and locking nut in it
and two of the little screws you turn to tune the thing on the bridge were
missing. Doh! No sale.
Floating trem rules any guitar out for me. cant use them. Too heavy handed.
Jeff Liberatore
>
>
> Jeff Liberatore wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I made fun of your peevee amp once, but I was joking around...
>
> and it didnt stop me from continuing to use the amp and get paid for it
;-)
FWTSAY...
> > What is it?
>
> Albert Lee Music Man guitar.
Great geetars man... I played one once...
> Impossible to find. Have about given up.
Tried ebay? Surfed the net looking too?
Looking at
> other alternatives. Might get a Parker and paint dots on the fretboard.
Heh.
> that would be an entirely trailer trashy exercise.
That would be c0o0O0oO0L!
> hey Mark Farner plays a Parker. Need I say more?
Maybe a LITTLE more... ;-)
>
> Yesterday at a used gear store I found this ancient ragged Ibanez Roadstar
that
> played like a dream.
I had one of those in the 80's... It was a good geetar!
> Some fool had stuck a floating trem and locking nut in it
> and two of the little screws you turn to tune the thing on the bridge were
> missing. Doh! No sale.
>
> Floating trem rules any guitar out for me. cant use them. Too heavy
handed.
All mine are floating... I'm heavy handed but I've had to adapt to that over
the years... Been playing trems CONSTANTLY since about 1980... Guess I'm
just used to them...
Jeff
>
Steve
> I wanna try one of the new cheapies, the Santana SE. Wonder how they've
done
> with their import; it's priced almost like a strat!
I haven't even seen a real one yet... Have you?
Jeff
>
>>
Not in person. Bums me out.
Steve
<<Where's
Giri when you need dots anyway...? I'm sure he has a few to spare!>>>>
Coffee has just ruined this perfectly good shirt.
howldog
Jeff Liberatore wrote:
>
> > and it didnt stop me from continuing to use the amp and get paid for it
> ;-)
>
> FWTSAY...
yeah, that I'm an old whore hack.
hey thass alright.
like a good ho, i have a great time saturday night, get paid, make people happy,
and dont really have to know what I'm doing.
>
> > Impossible to find. Have about given up.
>
> Tried ebay? Surfed the net looking too?
I'm not gonna buy anything I cant get my hands on and try out first. I only
played the Albert Lee at NAMM and you know damn well they had the absolute cream
of the crop guitars at their booth. I went to Guitar Center and they said, oh we
could have one shipped here for you to try but you'd have to put some money
down. What, so i could just fucking TRY IT OUT? up yours. but in the nicest "up
yours" way possible.
they gave me this sob story about how they were too ugly to sell.
they said that about Edison too. Or Madame Cury. Or maybe Nick Fury.
>
>
> All mine are floating... I'm heavy handed but I've had to adapt to that over
> the years... Been playing trems CONSTANTLY since about 1980... Guess I'm
> just used to them...
mark farner dont NEED no steeenkin floating trems maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.
Steve
>
>>Gee, Grissom still plays pretty good.
>
>
>>PRS guitars, too, I think....
>
> Aye, aye!
>>I thought that was kinda the point...
>
> Enough of that. We dance!
>
Aye, aye, aye!
T-Bug
Parker
"Steve" <sefs...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20010520164445...@ng-ce1.aol.com...
Jeff Liberatore
>
>
> Jeff Liberatore wrote:
>
> >
> > > and it didnt stop me from continuing to use the amp and get paid for
it
> > ;-)
> >
> > FWTSAY...
>
> yeah, that I'm an old whore hack.
Me Too!!! Especially the whore part! OK, but I'd like to think so...
> hey thass alright.
Sho nuff mango...
> like a good ho, i have a great time saturday night, get paid, make people
happy,
> and dont really have to know what I'm doing.
Snort perfectly good Sunday nite beer on my monitor...
> > > Impossible to find. Have about given up.
> >
> > Tried ebay? Surfed the net looking too?
>
> I'm not gonna buy anything I cant get my hands on and try out first.
I understand your plight man...
> I only
> played the Albert Lee at NAMM and you know damn well they had the absolute
cream
> of the crop guitars at their booth. I went to Guitar Center and they said,
oh we
> could have one shipped here for you to try but you'd have to put some
money
> down. What, so i could just fucking TRY IT OUT? up yours. but in the
nicest "up
> yours" way possible.
Yeah but, if you didn't like it, they would give you your $$$ back... At
worst, you would have to buy 3 months worth of strings... ;-)
> they gave me this sob story about how they were too ugly to sell.
They ain't the prettiest guitars with that wacky looking pickguard, but I
bet it would grow on me anyway...
> they said that about Edison too. Or Madame Cury. Or maybe Nick Fury.
D0o0o0O0OO0D, I heard Madame Curie was hot!!!
> > All mine are floating... I'm heavy handed but I've had to adapt to that
over
> > the years... Been playing trems CONSTANTLY since about 1980... Guess I'm
> > just used to them...
>
> mark farner dont NEED no steeenkin floating trems
maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.
Not for T.N.U.C.
Jeff
Jeff Liberatore
"Steve" <sefs...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
> Jeff said:
>
> <<Where's
> Giri when you need dots anyway...? I'm sure he has a few to spare!>>>>
>
> Coffee has just ruined this perfectly good shirt.
Mango, yer not supposed to wear good shirts on Sundays...
And why are you drinking coffee this late in the afternoon?
Play last nite? Eh?
I knew it! Coffee to cure band nite hangover at 5:00 in the afternoon...
Been there... Am there, etc...
Jeff
Daniel R. Haney
> Howldog wrote:
>> mark farner dont NEED no steeenkin floating trems
>> maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.
>
> Not for T.N.U.C.
"T.N.U.C"?
Mark says, "!thgirla".
-drh
--
Jeff Liberatore
"Daniel R. Haney" <arsphe...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3B088957...@earthlink.net...
> Jeff Liberatore wrote:
> > Howldog wrote:
>
> >> mark farner dont NEED no steeenkin floating trems
> >> maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.
> >
> > Not for T.N.U.C.
>
> "T.N.U.C"?
Yeah, that song on the Grand Funk live album... You know it!!!
> Mark says, "!thgirla".
OK, what's that...? You got ME on that one!
Jeff
>
> -drh
> --
Kate Ebneter
>
> "Steve" <sefs...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
> news:20010520135927...@ng-xb1.aol.com...
> > Some like 'em, some don't. The line's so big now that I'm not sure
> there's one
> > "PRS feel" or vibe any more, though.
>
> No, there isn't... I have a Custom 24, a Custom 22 Soapbar, and a Swamp ash
> special... They ALL sound like a PRS, but they all sound completely
> different... I use different guitars for different stuff... But I could play
> either of them all nite long if I had to...
>
> They are ALL 3 quite versatile... The Swamp Ash is probably the most
> versatile of the three tho. But the others are close.
Interestingly enough, the one PRS I've ever played that I wanted very
much to take home was a Swamp Ash Special. I really, really liked that
guitar. Didn't have the money, or there'd be a PRS in my collection.
I've played literally dozens of others and just was left cold by them,
for some reason. I do think they're very well built and in the right
hands they sound great. I guess my hands aren't the right ones. :-)
I still think SEF's list of PRS players was pretty Polfusian, though.
<grin>
Kate Ebneter
Collector of Noise Toys
Steve
>>
>> <<Where's
>> Giri when you need dots anyway...? I'm sure he has a few to spare!>>>>
I wrote:
>> Coffee has just ruined this perfectly good shirt.
Jeff replied:
>Mango, yer not supposed to wear good shirts on Sundays...
I KNOW that this is a good shirt. It was one of the more expensive fotball
jerseys when I got it. I think that was just before the birth of my third
child....almost 11 years ago. Damn good shirt.
>And why are you drinking coffee this late in the afternoon?
>And why are you drinking coffee this late in the afternoon?
Is there a time NOT to drink coffee? I love coffee. I worship coffee. If
there was a Church of Juan Valdez, I'd consider converting.
>Play last nite? Eh?
For a change, no. It was kinda nice. Took my family to see "Shrek".
Hilariously funny.
>I knew it! Coffee to cure band nite hangover at 5:00 in the afternoon...
>Been there... Am there, etc...
>
Why, I have no idea whatever you arre talking about.
Daniel R. Haney
> "Daniel R. Haney" wrote in message
>>> Not for T.N.U.C.
>>
>> "T.N.U.C"?
>
> Yeah, that song on the Grand Funk live album... You know it!!!
>
>> Mark says, "!thgirla".
>
> OK, what's that...? You got ME on that one!
What could Farner have meant by "T.N.U.C."?
Just as T.N.U.C. has reversed letter order,
so does !thgirla. The latter inversion refers
to the GFR song, "Mark says alright".
-drh
--
Not A Speck Of Cereal
[] >
[] > I wouldn't classify the majority of them as "guitarists."
[]
[] They PLAY the guitar... They ARE guitarists... They are on records, they are
[] professionals... How do you not see that?
Just so...
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-- Mark Twain
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Jeff Liberatore
"Kate Ebneter" <ebn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:3B08903C...@ix.netcom.com...
> Jeff Liberatore wrote:
> >
> > "Steve" <sefs...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
> > news:20010520135927...@ng-xb1.aol.com...
> <snip>
> > > Some like 'em, some don't. The line's so big now that I'm not sure
> > there's one
> > > "PRS feel" or vibe any more, though.
> >
> > No, there isn't... I have a Custom 24, a Custom 22 Soapbar, and a Swamp
ash
> > special... They ALL sound like a PRS, but they all sound completely
> > different... I use different guitars for different stuff... But I could
play
> > either of them all nite long if I had to...
> >
> > They are ALL 3 quite versatile... The Swamp Ash is probably the most
> > versatile of the three tho. But the others are close.
>
> Interestingly enough, the one PRS I've ever played that I wanted very
> much to take home was a Swamp Ash Special. I really, really liked that
> guitar. Didn't have the money, or there'd be a PRS in my collection.
Yeah, and basically they are the least expensive in their line...
("basically").
> I've played literally dozens of others and just was left cold by them,
> for some reason. I do think they're very well built and in the right
> hands they sound great. I guess my hands aren't the right ones. :-)
Yeah, any right guitar in the right hands is going to sound good... They
feel just great for me.
> I still think SEF's list of PRS players was pretty Polfusian, though.
> <grin>
Well, he was kind of cutting and pasting, but for people to call those
players "non players" is ridiculous... For people to rate players or guitars
in the same way is ridiculous as well...
You buy what you like and you play it... No one ever tells me they think I'm
less of a player because of the guitars I play... Once you get used to ANY
guitar that is comfortable for you, you can make it talk... I've played
Fenders, Gibsons, Hamers, Ibanez, and, well, a lot of different guitars... I
just settled on PRS... It's really simple, they work for me...
I shudder to think that someone with that kind of opinion would advise
someone else on what's a good guitar...
Jeff
Jeff Liberatore
> Jeff Liberatore wrote:
> > "Daniel R. Haney" wrote in message
>
> >>> Not for T.N.U.C.
> >>
> >> "T.N.U.C"?
> >
> > Yeah, that song on the Grand Funk live album... You know it!!!
> >
> >> Mark says, "!thgirla".
> >
> > OK, what's that...? You got ME on that one!
>
>
> What could Farner have meant by "T.N.U.C."?
Hmmmm... I have given it a GREAT deal of thought over the years and I have
decided that title *indeed* was sexual in nature... ;-)
> Just as T.N.U.C. has reversed letter order,
> so does !thgirla. The latter inversion refers
> to the GFR song, "Mark says alright".
Did they have a song called !thgirla ?
Jeff
>
> -drh
> --
Jeff Liberatore
"Steve" <sefs...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
> >> Jeff said:
> >>
> >> <<Where's
> >> Giri when you need dots anyway...? I'm sure he has a few to spare!>>>>
>
> I wrote:
>
> >> Coffee has just ruined this perfectly good shirt.
>
> Jeff replied:
>
> >Mango, yer not supposed to wear good shirts on Sundays...
>
> I KNOW that this is a good shirt. It was one of the more expensive
fotball
> jerseys when I got it. I think that was just before the birth of my third
> child....almost 11 years ago. Damn good shirt.
Is it a Cleveland Browns jersey? ;-)
> >And why are you drinking coffee this late in the afternoon?
>
> >And why are you drinking coffee this late in the afternoon?
>
> Is there a time NOT to drink coffee? I love coffee. I worship coffee.
If
> there was a Church of Juan Valdez, I'd consider converting.
You know that will cause sleep deprivation disorder!
> >Play last nite? Eh?
>
> For a change, no. It was kinda nice. Took my family to see "Shrek".
> Hilariously funny.
It looked pretty good in the trailors we saw.
> >I knew it! Coffee to cure band nite hangover at 5:00 in the afternoon...
> >Been there... Am there, etc...
> >
>
> Why, I have no idea whatever you arre talking about.
You seen the Tylenol?
Jeff
Jeff Liberatore
"Not A Speck Of Cereal" <Xchriss...@Xhome.comX> wrote in message
news:417hgtcbist2memu0...@4ax.com...
> As "Jeff Liberatore" <jlib...@columbus.rr.com> so eloquently put:
> [] >
> [] > I wouldn't classify the majority of them as "guitarists."
> []
> [] They PLAY the guitar... They ARE guitarists... They are on records,
they are
> [] professionals... How do you not see that?
>
> Just so...
You know, this has been a tough week Chris... I'm kinda tired of all this
st0o0o0opid stuff being said around here... Could you please take my spot
for awhile before I start making a bigger ass out myself? We must fight for
the good of our group and stuff... ;-)
Hey, we got rid of Carl for a while...
Jeff
Matthew Ivaliotes
>Interestingly enough, the one PRS I've ever played that I wanted very
>much to take home was a Swamp Ash Special. I really, really liked that
>guitar. Didn't have the money, or there'd be a PRS in my collection.
PRS seems to fit me well. I have 4, and one of them is a Swamp Ash
Special, which I really dig. The others are a rosewood necked McCarty, a
Custom 22, and a Custom 22 Soapbar. All have the stop tail, except the
Soapbar, which is only available with a trem.
I think they sound great, but what really grabs me is the feel. I just
enjoy playing these guitars more than any other.
Matt I.
speaking only for myself
Steve
>"Steve" <sefs...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
>news:20010521001606...@ng-fv1.aol.com...
>> >> Jeff said:
>> >>
>> >> <<Where's
>> >> Giri when you need dots anyway...? I'm sure he has a few to spare!>>>>
>>
>> I wrote:
>>
>> >> Coffee has just ruined this perfectly good shirt.
>>
>> Jeff replied:
>>
>> >Mango, yer not supposed to wear good shirts on Sundays...
>>
>> I KNOW that this is a good shirt. It was one of the more expensive
>fotball
>> jerseys when I got it. I think that was just before the birth of my third
>> child....almost 11 years ago. Damn good shirt.
>
>Is it a Cleveland Browns jersey? ;-)
>
Ha! No, it's a Buffalo Bills jersey.
:::::ducking::::::
>> Is there a time NOT to drink coffee? I love coffee. I worship coffee.
>If
>> there was a Church of Juan Valdez, I'd consider converting.
>
>You know that will cause sleep deprivation disorder!
For some odd reason, I can dring a hot shot (coffee with a shot of espresso in
it) and go right to sleep. The only effect caffeine seems to have on me is the
addictive one: I'll have a headache from caffeine withdrawl if I don't have
coffee in the morning.
>
>> >Play last nite? Eh?
>
>
>> >I knew it! Coffee to cure band nite hangover at 5:00 in the afternoon...
>> >Been there... Am there, etc...
>> >
>>
>> Why, I have no idea whatever you arre talking about.
>
>
>You seen the Tylenol?
Mmmph. Mgghhhhh. HUh?
Steve
> Interestingly enough, the one PRS I've ever played that I wanted very
> much to take home was a Swamp Ash Special. I really, really liked that
> guitar. Didn't have the money, or there'd be a PRS in my collection.
Yeah, and basically they are the least expensive in their line...
("basically").>>
No, a basic CE is less.
My SAS is tied for #1 gigging guitar with my Suhr.
howldog
Jeff Liberatore wrote:
> \ What, so i could just fucking TRY IT OUT? up yours. but in the
> nicest "up
> > yours" way possible.
>
> Yeah but, if you didn't like it, they would give you your $$$ back... At
> worst, you would have to buy 3 months worth of strings... ;-)
no actually, they wouldnt. "non refundable" transport stock charge or somethign
retarded. I'm pretty close to Nashville, about a 4 hour drive. I might just head
up there and look for one. If I cant find one in Nashville, then i definitely am
giving up.
>
>
> They ain't the prettiest guitars with that wacky looking pickguard, but I
> bet it would grow on me anyway...
change "guitars" to "man" and "pickguard" to "nose", and you have the
explanation my wife gives to all her girlfriends about the success of our
marriage.
howldog
Jeff Liberatore wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't classify the majority of them as "guitarists."
>
> They PLAY the guitar... They ARE guitarists... They are on records, they are
> professionals... How do you not see that?
er um, the poster signed on as Guest, and then posts some inflammatory remark
like that..... you have just been trolled.
Giri Iyengar
>
> Not A Speck Of Cereal <Xchriss...@Xhome.comX> writes:
>
> >Al Demeola's pretty good, but I'll bet he doesn't strap on the PRS in
> >a live show. Endorsement is such a funny thing, for those that like to
> >cut'n paste from the PRS site (and then believe everything they read).
>
> Actually, Al first played PRS after commissioning an instruemnt from Paul
> before he had a factory. I'm not sure he plays any production models now,
> but he actually paid for his first PRS guitars, just like msot of Paul's
> early endorsers.
Doesn't he have one of the real early hollowbodies, from
way back when?
..Giri
Matthew Ivaliotes
>Matthew Ivaliotes wrote:
>> Actually, Al first played PRS after commissioning an instruemnt from Paul
>> before he had a factory. I'm not sure he plays any production models now,
>> but he actually paid for his first PRS guitars, just like msot of Paul's
>> early endorsers.
>Doesn't he have one of the real early hollowbodies, from
>way back when?
That I do not know. I've only seen him pictured with solid-bodied ones,
but I wouldn't be surprised if he had a hollow.