Who wrote Scarborough Fair?
Claudio Pasquini
I want to track it down in OLGA.
Thanks in advance.
Ana Liza Gracie
cla...@mrad.com.au (Claudio Pasquini) writes:
>Anybody know who wrote the melodic ballad Scarborough Fair??
>I want to track it down in OLGA.
It's a "traditional" song with no real author. But it's in OLGA
under Simon and Garfunkel.
Aaron Bucky
Liza Gracie) wrote:
"Scarborough Fair" is indeed a traditional English folksong. However, the
S&G version has another part to it, "Canticle" (hence the recording's
official title, "Scarborough Fair/Canticle"). this is the harmony part
that interweaves in incredible ways (IMHO) with the "Scarborough Fair"
part, and yet has a completely different set of lyrics, and I believe this
part is original to the S&G version.
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David Kastrup
>>Anybody know who wrote the melodic ballad Scarborough Fair??
>>I want to track it down in OLGA.
>It's a "traditional" song with no real author. But it's in OLGA
>under Simon and Garfunkel.
They have made the counter voice, and of course the guitar voice.
Sounds pretty nice. On the other hand, the traditional text is
a sequence of absurd challenges between a man and a woman, pretty
nice. In S&G's version the woman's part is left out except for
one rather unmotivated stanza, and the text of the countervoice
is absurdly unfitting. A pity, really. Nice sound, though.
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Steve Holiman
: Anybody know who wrote the melodic ballad Scarborough Fair??
: I want to track it down in OLGA.
: Thanks in advance.
You'll probably get a million replies but here goes:
What you're probably asking for is Scarborough Fair/Canticle by Simon and
Garfunkel. I know that Simon wrote the "subversive" (well, it was called
so at the time ;^) ) anti-war canticle sung between the lines of the
otherwise innocuous folk song, but I don't remember for certain if he
wrote Scarborough Fair or merely appropriated it for his purposes. The
recording is on their third album entitled (surprise) "Parsley, Sage,
Rosemary, and Thyme".
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Ross
>sher...@cats.ucsc.edu (Ana Liza Gracie) writes:
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>
>
>>>Anybody know who wrote the melodic ballad Scarborough Fair??
>>>I want to track it down in OLGA.
>
>>under Simon and Garfunkel.
>
>name instead of 'trad arr Simon'
>
This is rather a sore point in the English folk community, because Paul
Simon took the credit for this arrange after returning to the US from his
sojourn in the UK. While in the UK he attended several concerts by Bert
Jansch and his girlfriend who were performing this song in the exact same
way as he would later claim credit for. So his thieving did not start
with Gracelands but much earlier on in his career.
Ross
Matthew Moore
>cla...@mrad.com.au (Claudio Pasquini) writes:
>>Anybody know who wrote the melodic ballad Scarborough Fair??
>>I want to track it down in OLGA.
>It's a "traditional" song with no real author. But it's in OLGA
>under Simon and Garfunkel.
cos one of them did an arrangement and got it published under his own
name instead of 'trad arr Simon'
this came up before I think.
Matt
Dick Kaulfuss
: >cla...@mrad.com.au (Claudio Pasquini) writes:
Worse than that - he ripped off the arrangement too!
Dick
The Raith
VOGON JELTZ
> It was Simon and Garfunkel
>
>
Looking at the Greatest hits tape it says that the song is traditional!
Aaron Bucky
<c...@coventry.ac.uk> wrote:
The S&G version consists of two interwoven parts. The basic melody part
(the "Scarborough Fair" part) is a traditional English floksong, though
all the traditional versions I've seen have a few verses this version left
out. The other part, the "Canticle" part, was original.
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Dwight Sledge
VOGON JELTZ <c...@coventry.ac.uk> wrote:
>On 25 Sep 1995, The Raith wrote:
>
>> It was Simon and Garfunkel
>>
>>
> Looking at the Greatest hits tape it says that the song is traditional!
copyright to that version in 1966. Another book of folk tunes does not
identify an author but states copyright was granted to Rhode Island Co. in
1965. It's probably some hideously old folk standard in the public domain
that people like and S&G made some money from it.
sledge
Dick Kaulfuss
: It bloody wasn't. It is a fairly old British Folk song. I would give you
: some insider gossip and say that Paul Simon copied the style of playing off
: a British Folk Musician only I can't remember his name. I'm sure I will
: eventually.
Martin Carthy
Dick
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belive him). Paul flew back to the U.S. and recorded it without telling
Martin he was going to do so. So it goes!! Martin plays great guitar but,
probably, is not as rich as Paul.
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Johan Apelqvist
This version goes by the name of "Scarborough Fair/Conticle" (maybe wrong about the "Conticle" word) and is an old song by Simon called "On A Side Of A Hill".
This version of the "Scarborough Fair" is my favorite song.
Donna Rogers
: Paul Simons version of this traditional ( so called when no-one seems to been writing it) is slightly changed and another lyric added upon the original.
: This version goes by the name of "Scarborough Fair/Conticle" (maybe wrong about the "Conticle" word) and is an old song by Simon called "On A Side Of A Hill".
: This version of the "Scarborough Fair" is my favorite song.
Simon and Garfunkel wrote Sarborough Fair, hope this helps.
dUsTiN rOgErS
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Anton Sherwood
: Simon and Garfunkel wrote Sarborough Fair, hope this helps.
I found it in "The Annotated Mother Goose". Hope this helps.
And Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings.
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Alan Routledge
>Paul Simons version of this traditional ( so called when no-one seems to been writing it) is slightly changed and another lyric added upon the original.
>This version goes by the name of "Scarborough Fair/Conticle" (maybe wrong about the "Conticle" word) and is an old song by Simon called "On A Side Of A Hill".
>This version of the "Scarborough Fair" is my favorite song.
I think you will find this is called "Scarborough Fair / Canticle"
and that it was originally written by Bert Jansch (UK, Pentangle
etc.). Bert played it to Paul Simon who then took it on, recorded it
and gained the copyright!
David Morning
>dat9...@ludat.lth.se (Johan Apelqvist) wrote:
I think you'll find that the Bert Jansch version is simply an arrangement
of an old traditional song. He didn't write it himself. The original words
and music predate Bert by at least a couple of hundred years!
Mark Bluemel
: 10064...@compuserve.com (Alan Routledge) writes:
: >dat9...@ludat.lth.se (Johan Apelqvist) wrote:
AFAIK, Paul actually "collected" the song and the guitar figure from Martin
Carthy.
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brendan o'mahony
10064...@compuserve.com (Alan Routledge) wrote:
> dat9...@ludat.lth.se (Johan Apelqvist) wrote:
>
> >Paul Simons version of this traditional ( so called when no-one seems
to been writing it) is slightly changed and another lyric added upon the
original.
> >This version goes by the name of "Scarborough Fair/Conticle" (maybe
wrong about the "Conticle" word) and is an old song by Simon called "On A
Side Of A Hill".
> >This version of the "Scarborough Fair" is my favorite song.
>
> I think you will find this is called "Scarborough Fair / Canticle"
> and that it was originally written by Bert Jansch (UK, Pentangle
> etc.). Bert played it to Paul Simon who then took it on, recorded it
> and gained the copyright!
Scarborough Fair and Canticle are both old English folk songs which were
adapted and combined by Paul Simon. Scarborough Fair is the main part of
the lyrics and Canticle is the harmony part sung by Art Gargunkle over
this.
Bren