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Epiphone Joe Pass guitar; hear it in action

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OASYSCO

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Nov 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/4/99
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I started an Epiphone Emperor II, Joe Pass appreciation page recently
(http://guitarzan.homepage.com/joepass.htm) and have been collecting odds and
ends related to that guitar. Even so, I still had not heard a professional
using the Joe pass until now, that is.

I have this link on my JP Apprec page, but here it is:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~ahoek/epps&cathy/

Epps is the guitarist (using a Joe Pass with a Bartolini pickup) and Cathy is
the vocalist in the tradition of Tuck 'n Patti (who actually arranged many of
their tracks).

This is not "come-hear-ME-play" thing. These guys are real artists! You won't
believe Epps is playing a JP, believe me!

I guess the playing is REALLY in the guitarists hands and mind, not the
guitar... darn it.

Greg

AT

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Nov 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/4/99
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On 04 Nov 1999 13:49:57 GMT, oas...@aol.com (OASYSCO) wrote:

>I started an Epiphone Emperor II, Joe Pass appreciation page recently
>(http://guitarzan.homepage.com/joepass.htm) and have been collecting odds and
>ends related to that guitar. Even so, I still had not heard a professional
>using the Joe pass until now, that is.
>
>I have this link on my JP Apprec page, but here it is:
>
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~ahoek/epps&cathy/


Wow...thanks for posting that link. It's a guitarist accompanying a
female vocalist and they are two very talented people. I would even
buy their CD. I downloaded their jazzy version of the Jimi Hendrix
song, Castles Made Of Sand in MP3 format.

The Epi Joe Pass sounds freakin phenomenal! I think this kind of
thing should settle the debate on whether the low cost jazz boxes can
perform like the $$$ ones tone wise. (He uses a Bartolini pick up on
it)
That Joe Pass Epi sounded as good to me amplified as a $20K
Benedetto does. The tone was there.


OASYSCO

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Nov 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/4/99
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>...my stuff snipped...

> Wow...thanks for posting that link. It's a guitarist accompanying a
>female vocalist and they are two very talented people. I would even
>buy their CD. I downloaded their jazzy version of the Jimi Hendrix
>song, Castles Made Of Sand in MP3 format.

Ha-ha! Hendrix? Ha-ha! I did not know that. When I was listening to it, I said,
"Gosh, that guy sounds like Robin Trower" (remember him? the supposed successor
to Hendrix). Ha-ha...

> The Epi Joe Pass sounds freakin phenomenal! I think this kind of
>thing should settle the debate on whether the low cost jazz boxes can
>perform like the $$$ ones tone wise. (He uses a Bartolini pick up on
>it)
> That Joe Pass Epi sounded as good to me amplified as a $20K
>Benedetto does. The tone was there.

As was a very talented player!

Greg


Dirk Johnson

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Nov 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/11/99
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The guy who made Joe Pass' guitar for Ibanez also made Bruce Forman's guitar
(http://www.bruceforman.com). When Epiphone asked him to make a Joe Pass
signature guitar for them, he decided to use the design for Bruce Forman's guitar
instead of the one for Joe Pass... so, in a way, it's really a Bruce Forman
signature guitar - Bruce still plays the original two or three nights a week at
Jazz at Pearl's in San Francisco and on weekends at various sites in Monterey
County, and once a month while traveling with the Monterey Jazz Festival Traveling
Clinicians programs.

If you're unfamiliar with Bruce, I suggest you check him out (his site has many RA
clips - not the best quality, but streamed so you don't have to download them).
Many, including me, consider Bruce Forman to be the greatest living bebop jazz
guitarist - Barney Kessel practically turned green about his playing. He's also a
great teacher, as his books and video demonstrate very well... and you can ask him
questions regarding any aspect of jazz guitar in the Studio/Q&A section of his
site

By the way, he just recorded a new session last night... should be available about
the beginning of the year..

AT wrote:

> On 04 Nov 1999 13:49:57 GMT, oas...@aol.com (OASYSCO) wrote:
>
> >I started an Epiphone Emperor II, Joe Pass appreciation page recently
> >(http://guitarzan.homepage.com/joepass.htm) and have been collecting odds and
> >ends related to that guitar. Even so, I still had not heard a professional
> >using the Joe pass until now, that is.
> >
> >I have this link on my JP Apprec page, but here it is:
> >
> > http://www.xs4all.nl/~ahoek/epps&cathy/
>

> Wow...thanks for posting that link. It's a guitarist accompanying a
> female vocalist and they are two very talented people. I would even
> buy their CD. I downloaded their jazzy version of the Jimi Hendrix
> song, Castles Made Of Sand in MP3 format.
>

Steve Grenadier

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Nov 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/11/99
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I second the comments about Bruce Forman's greatness.

However, it is sort of misleading to compare Bruce Forman's custom made guitar to a mass produced guitar.  I recall Bruce's guitar fairly well, and I find it hard to find many similarities with the Epi Joe Pass guitar.

Steve

Harry Avant

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Nov 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/12/99
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Steve Grenadier <sg...@leland.stanford.edu> wrote:

(snip)


>However, it is sort of misleading to compare Bruce Forman's custom made guitar to a
>mass produced guitar. I recall Bruce's guitar fairly well, and I find it hard to find
>many similarities with the Epi Joe Pass guitar.

>


>Dirk Johnson wrote:
>
>> The guy who made Joe Pass' guitar for Ibanez also made Bruce Forman's guitar
>> (http://www.bruceforman.com). When Epiphone asked him to make a Joe Pass
>> signature guitar for them, he decided to use the design for Bruce Forman's guitar
>> instead of the one for Joe Pass..

(snip)

Forman's guitar and the Ibanez that Pass used were similar. If there
is a connection with these two guitars and the Epiphone line currently
being sold it's sure obscure. The Epi doesn't have the wooden tail
piece and I think the neck shape is different.

Harry

OASYSCO

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Nov 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/12/99
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>>Dirk Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> The guy who made Joe Pass' guitar for Ibanez also made Bruce Forman's
>guitar
>>> (http://www.bruceforman.com). When Epiphone asked him to make a Joe Pass
>>> signature guitar for them, he decided to use the design for Bruce Forman's
>guitar
>>> instead of the one for Joe Pass..
>(snip)

>Forman's guitar and the Ibanez that Pass used were similar. If there
>is a connection with these two guitars and the Epiphone line currently
>being sold it's sure obscure. The Epi doesn't have the wooden tail
>piece and I think the neck shape is different.

Here's what Bruce Forman had to say about it when I asked him:
=============================
#1 It's true...a man named Fritz Katoh made both of our guitars for Ibanez
and he has since moved to Epiphone.

#2 We never talked about the JP signature Epiphone, however, the dimensions are
the same as mine (the only thing it has in common with the JP), the f-hole
style is the same as MINE, the choice of wood types are the same as MINE, and
the pickup placement is the same as my model. Epiphone changed the tailpeice
design to metal, away from an ebony version which was a replica of the newer
D'Aquistos'(something my model also had in common with the Ibanez JP).

When I did a comparison with my axe, an Ibanez JP and the Epiphone it was
obvious
to all of us, and there were a whole bunch of guitar players there, that my
model
was far more similar.

#3 The Epiphones are very good inexpensive guitars, I recommend them,
but beware, they vary quite a bit from axe to axe. Some are much better than
others.
==============================

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