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Ben McDonnell

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Oct 7, 2003, 10:15:53 AM10/7/03
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does anyone have any transcriptions or harmonic analisis of zhivago by K.R.?

ben


GoddardV

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Oct 7, 2003, 11:06:20 AM10/7/03
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>does anyone have any transcriptions or harmonic analisis of zhivago by K.R.?
>
>ben

If you find anything, I would love a copy. Thanks!

Ben McDonnell

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Oct 7, 2003, 1:49:31 PM10/7/03
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ive tried, but to no avail so im gonna attempt it myself. itll be
transcribed v.badly as the chords a hard for me to hear!

ben
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Tom Lippincott

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Oct 7, 2003, 11:40:14 PM10/7/03
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>ive tried, but to no avail so im gonna attempt it myself. itll be
>transcribed v.badly as the chords a hard for me to hear!
>

keep in mind that he uses a really weird alternate tuning for that tune. (I
don't recall what it is but I seem to remember the low string was tuned to a
Bb)

Tom Lippincott
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Mikeoutram

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Oct 8, 2003, 5:57:14 AM10/8/03
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<< keep in mind that he uses a really weird alternate tuning for that tune. (I
don't recall what it is but I seem to remember the low string was tuned to a
Bb) >>

Eb, Bb, Ab, Db, G, Bb (hi 2 lo) I think.

Ben, I transcribed the solo but did it really quickly and I haven't checked it
through and I'm very fussy about having something right before I give it away.
But I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

It's interesting to hear (if you haven't already) the clips from a masterclass
that Kurt gave at Berklee from the yahoo jazz guitar group. He plays Zhivago on
his own and a lot of the lines he plays are the same. Here's a quote that
relates to the same tuning;

Of "A Shifting Design," Rosenwinkel says: "This tune is fascinating to me. It's
in an alternate tuning, so when I play the guitar I have no idea what chords or
notes I'm playing. The tune is all shapes to me, which is why I call it 'A
Shifting Design.' The shifting designs are on the fretboard."

So I guess a lot of the sounds he plays on this tuning are little licks he's
worked on. I think at this point I felt that learning to play the tune would
defeat the object of the transcription. The process of wanting to start again
with a new set of perameters and seeing what could be done and the resulting
music are what's exciting for me on this one. So there you go....

Mike Outram
http://www.mikeoutram.com

Ben McDonnell

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Oct 8, 2003, 7:29:49 AM10/8/03
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cheers mike, tom and others. i did start to relise it was in an alternate
tuning when some of the chords were a little weird to play! id like to play
it for my final (leeds college of music) hence the need for a reasonably
accurate transcription. ill definatly send it to you (mike) when im
done..should be today with any luck. and id really like to see the solo
transcription (which cant be as shoddy as mine!) as it might give some
insight as to harmony ideas etc. my respect for K.R. has doubled since i
relised he can create such good lines in an alternate tuning!

p.s. any mike outram/dave ohiggins gigs in london or leeds in the near
future?

thanks again
ben
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Tom Lippincott

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Oct 8, 2003, 5:54:38 PM10/8/03
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>cheers mike, tom and others. i did start to relise it was in an alternate
>tuning when some of the chords were a little weird to play! id like to play
>it for my final (leeds college of music) hence the need for a reasonably
>accurate transcription. ill definatly send it to you (mike) when im
>done..should be today with any luck. and id really like to see the solo
>transcription (which cant be as shoddy as mine!) as it might give some
>insight as to harmony ideas etc. my respect for K.R. has doubled since i
>relised he can create such good lines in an alternate tuning!

I'd love to see a copy of a transcription of this as well if either of you guys
are in a sharing mood.

Tom Lippincott

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Oct 9, 2003, 12:20:37 AM10/9/03
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speaking of Kurt I just picked up a copy of his latest, Artcore. Very
interesting stuff (though I've only heard about 3 tunes in the car). He's
definitely trying to do something different. What I've heard so far seems like
a nice marriage between acoustic jazz and electronic oriented sounds.

Chris Leamy

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Oct 9, 2003, 12:26:21 AM10/9/03
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i came up with a standard-tuning approximation for the melody, but i'm
sure it may be off in certain parts just due to the differences in
fingerings between the tunings. feel free to email me for my take on the
chords, as i'm sure that the basic chords are all good. i think i'm just
missing certain notes in some of the voicings, that's all.

it's such an awesome tune.... the most challenging part was getting used
to picking the bass notes and chords on the 1 and 4 (out of 6) while
keeping the notes of the melody (a lot of which are displaced by a 16th)
nice and clear.

chris

Tom Lippincott

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Oct 9, 2003, 10:23:24 PM10/9/03
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>speaking of Kurt I just picked up a copy of his latest, Artcore.

oops, that's Heartcore. I listened to it twice through in the car today; the
more I listen the more I like it.

Chris Leamy

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Oct 10, 2003, 7:10:53 AM10/10/03
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i feel the same way! the first time i heard it, i was like "wow... this
is... different!", the tunes i heard had nice foundation but the
melodies sounded a little noodly and the soloing was exploratory (for
lack of a better term) to a point that i wasn't sure about...

but i listened to it more and more and then i got pretty into it. then i
saw him & his band flawlessy reproduce the vibe live and it made tons of
sense. live, it's definitely grandise (in a good way). now it mostly all
makes sense and is thoroughly enjoyable.

chris

Tom Lippincott

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Oct 10, 2003, 11:55:31 PM10/10/03
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>i feel the same way! the first time i heard it, i was like "wow... this
>is... different!", the tunes i heard had nice foundation but the
>melodies sounded a little noodly and the soloing was exploratory (for
>lack of a better term) to a point that i wasn't sure about...
>
>but i listened to it more and more and then i got pretty into it. then i
>saw him & his band flawlessy reproduce the vibe live and it made tons of
>sense. live, it's definitely grandise (in a good way). now it mostly all
>makes sense and is thoroughly enjoyable.
>
>chris

excellent..I'm envious that you got to see him do that stuff live.

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