A Jack Zucker Quote "......fat, white christian men. "
6fingers
"what a load of crap. Your viewpoint is practically word-for-word from
what is regurgitated regularly on foxspews and your not so subtle
trolling does not escape notice. Go post in alt.guitar.amps or
alt.firearms where your viewpoint will be accepted as gospel according
to fat, white christian men."
6fingers
religious bigot.
For the sake of decorum, I trust you will shortly post an apology.
This is truly a sad day for this group.
Just curious, when did you first start hating Christians ?
Jonathan (Cleve)
> On Oct 24, 5:04 pm, 6fingers <joey6fing...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Just curious, when did you first start hating Christians ?
>
You'll never get elected to anything with THAT attitude! ;-)
6fingers
I know we have had our differences, however I'm truly
saddened by the fact that you embrace your hatefulness.
I never expected this kind of hurtful, language from you.
You'll be in my prayers tonight Jack.
Mr.Will
"6fingers" <joey6f...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hey whats up with being fat!!!
Mr.Will
Nil
rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz:
> " I hate all religions pretty much equally. "
>
> I know we have had our differences, however I'm truly
> saddened by the fact that you embrace your hatefulness.
>
> I never expected this kind of hurtful, language from you.
Since you brought it up out of nowhere with the obvious intent of
belittling Jack, it seems you not only expect, but you embrace your own
peculiar brand of hatefulness.
rakmanenuff
> You'll be in my prayers tonight Jack.
Dear God, please help me play guitar like Jack Z :)
Charlie X
THat was Excellent!! LOL
Chickenhead
Our U.S.A. Founding Fathers didn't think much of them either. That's
probably why the right to be free from them is addressed in the first
sentence in the Bill of Rights. Seeing as it's the FIRST FREAKIN' SENTENCE
in the FIRST Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, they probably thought it
was important. After setting out the structure of the government, it's the
first goddamned thing they put in there!
"sheetsofsound" <jackz...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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6fingers
belittling Jack, it seems you not only expect, but you embrace your
own peculiar brand of hatefulness. "
All people of good will have a responsibility to combat
hatefulness
and
bigotry
wherever we find it.
I'm saddened that you would make a personal attack against
me in your effort to help others perpetuate their own religious, and
racial bigotry.
http://www.holidays.net/mlk/speech.htm
We have come too far, to return to the days of bigotry and
hatefulness.
Martin Luther King Jr. paid with his life in an effort to combat the
kind of hatred expressed by Mr. Zucker.
The slings and arrows of a small group of hateful people on this board
is a price I am willing to accept.
Joey Goldstein
Fuck all you religious nut bags.
Go to your Hell and stay there.
--
Joey Goldstein
<http://www.joeygoldstein.com>
<http://homepage.mac.com/josephgoldstein/AudioClips/audio.htm>
joegold AT primus DOT ca
Bryce
I don't have any problem with religion, as long as it's tamed into a
passive loving past time. Otherwise, I agree with JG.
As for hell. Well I never believed in it and I still don't. But a
Dzogchen Master told me since I believe that "this" is real, then when
I get to hell I'll probably believe "that" is real. That comment
turned my head a bit..
blessings to all......
Chickenhead
American right, as set out by our Founding Fathers in the U.S. Constitution.
If you hate America, go live somewhere else.
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6fingers
" Fuck all you religious nut bags.
Go to your Hell and stay there. "
I would have never expected this, from a man who comes from a country
(Canada) that prides itself on religious tolerance, diversity,
and respect for multiculturalism.
Again, I am truly saddened.
Bryce
<kuNOrtSPAMshapTHANK...@YOUhoVERYtmail.MUCHcom> wrote:
> The right of all of us to be free from your religion is an essential
> American right, as set out by our Founding Fathers in the U.S. Constitution.
> If you hate America, go live somewhere else.
>
>
> news:a62cf03b-f4ec-46d5...@v20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > " Since you brought it up out of nowhere with the obvious intent of
> > belittling Jack, it seems you not only expect, but you embrace your
> > own peculiar brand of hatefulness. "
>
> > All people of good will have a responsibility to combat
>
> > hatefulness
>
> > and
>
> > bigotry
>
> > wherever we find it.
>
> > I'm saddened that you would make a personal attack against
> > me in your effort to help others perpetuate their own religious, and
> > racial bigotry.
>
> >http://www.holidays.net/mlk/speech.htm
>
> > We have come too far, to return to the days of bigotry and
> > hatefulness.
>
> > Martin Luther King Jr. paid with his life in an effort to combat the
> > kind of hatred expressed by Mr. Zucker.
>
> > The slings and arrows of a small group of hateful people on this board
> > is a price I am willing to accept.
I disagree. If anyone hates America, please stay and help change it
into a better place to live. Hopefully a more liberal place, like say
Canada, or France. Otherwise, be free to leave ... LOL
Joey Goldstein
Again. Go fuck yourself.
lol
David J. Littleboy
"Chickenhead" <kuNOrtSPAMs...@YOUhoVERYtmail.MUCHcom> wrote in
message news:ia2g0u$qds$1...@news.albasani.net...
> The right of all of us to be free from your religion is an essential
> American right, as set out by our Founding Fathers in the U.S.
> Constitution. If you hate America, go live somewhere else.
This is actually very good advice. Even if you love the US, you'll love it a
lot more.
Living overseas, one sees how absolutely amazingly wonderful the US
constitution is. Interesting, of course, is the point that many of the
things we got right are the things the right in the US hates most about the
constitution: how we protect the rights of the accused, how we extend
citizenship to anyone born here, how we keep the state and religion
separate. Those blokes, with a bit of help with the ammenders, will go down
in history as some of the most brilliant people in the world.
Japan gets a lot of things right, but they haven't figured out the above
points yet.
We should be learning from others' mistakes and successes. What I see is
that the right in the US has got things completely, 100% backwards. It's
quite amuzing that the right in the US hates so many things about the US and
claims to love it.
--
David J. Littleboy
Very white, but neither fat nor christian in
Tokyo, Japan
Steven Bornfeld
>
> This is actually very good advice. Even if you love the US, you'll love it a
> lot more.
>
> Living overseas, one sees how absolutely amazingly wonderful the US
> constitution is. Interesting, of course, is the point that many of the
> things we got right are the things the right in the US hates most about the
> constitution: how we protect the rights of the accused, how we extend
> citizenship to anyone born here, how we keep the state and religion
> separate. Those blokes, with a bit of help with the ammenders, will go down
> in history as some of the most brilliant people in the world.
>
> Japan gets a lot of things right, but they haven't figured out the above
> points yet.
>
> We should be learning from others' mistakes and successes. What I see is
> that the right in the US has got things completely, 100% backwards. It's
> quite amuzing that the right in the US hates so many things about the US and
> claims to love it.
>
Thanks for your perspective and insight--really has the ring of truth.
Steve
guitarannie
> On Oct 24, 5:04 pm, 6fingers <joey6fing...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
Yeah Sheets!
The only bigots and racists I've met are "People of Faith"
I just quit the Big band because the leader sent me hate mail and lies
about our President.
Then I get some more from the Piano player.
As I said to them "I'm disgusted by people who sit in their
comfortable homes and root for war"
Sharyl Smith
Vietnam 66-67 (Where I learned that there was no God) "Kill a commie
for Christ" What a crock of shit
Mark Cleary
--
"Bryce" <bsuth...@cox.net> wrote in message
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I have nothing to do with this particular thread but this post here sort of
hit me a little. I am certainly not someone who finds religion a passive
loving past time but this attitude it real and prevails in many places. It
even prevails among those who practice my particular faith and you seem to
have hit it on the head. I really have to thank you because I have a homily
working just from this little post. Some aspects of homiletics can be
related to jazz guitar since you have to start out with a " phase " and
expand to make listeners appreciate the passage. I might point out that even
my own jazz guitar playing is not a passive loving past time. Hate come from
somewhere depending on your "religion" it seems to exist in all religions
since they involve people who happen to have at times, hate in their hearts.
It sounds pretty fresh since today's Mass reading the from St. Luke, the
tax collector stood off at a distance and would not even raise his eyes to
heaven but beat his breast and prayed, "O God, be merciful to me a sinner."
I know one thing for sure, since I took this religion gig much more serious
with 5 years of formation and ordination.............my guitar playing has
gone to hell.
Oh my! There I go again preaching........better to practice what you
preach.................hey that is like guitar playing.
Deacon Mark Cleary
>
> blessings to all......
guitarannie
By the way, when the Jehovah's Witnesses or the Mormons come walking
up my 1/4 mile driveway in 120 degree heat.
I greet them with my M-4 and ask them if they need water. If they say
no, then I tell them that religion is responsible for centuries of
ignorance, hatred bigotry and repression and not to mention the
killing of millions. Then I tell them that the Religion that they are
working for was mad up by unskilled losers who are using them to make
money by promising them life after death. Then I ask them "Are you
ready to meet your god today?" Then they leave.
a gun toting atheist
eric s
The way I think about it is that the large majority of people in the
world profess belief in a religion. So who am I to tell them that
they are wrong? As far as religion causing wars, borders cause wars,
the beliefs behind the US Constitution (or at least the people behind
the Constitution) caused wars; economic conflicts cause wars.
basically people cause wars. Atheists can be murderers on a huge
scale, viz Mao and Stalin, as can people who are formally religious
like the Crusaders or the Ottoman Empire. Some of the most brilliant
minds in the world were deeply religious, bach, coltrane, blake,
milton; some aren't miles, shakespeare, etc etc. So I do not
understand people who are contemptuous of those who are religious,
religions are at least as deep, complex, and beautiful as music. I am
not religious at all. And I think the current brand of US
fundamentalism is corporate opportunism using religion as a front,
like I believe islamic fundamentalism is driven by political
aspirations.
6fingers
and ask them if they need water. If they say no, then I tell them that
religion is responsible for centuries of ignorance, hatred bigotry and
repression and not to mention the killing of millions. Then I tell
them that the Religion that they are working for was mad up by
unskilled losers who are using them to make money by promising them
life after death. Then I ask them "Are you
ready to meet your god today?" Then they leave.
a gun toting atheist "
Feel the love !
Wow, scratch the surface of a liberal and the puss comes pouring out.
This is working out better than my greatest expectations.
Thanks Annie for sharing ( smile).
Again, I am deeply saddened.
Joey Goldstein
Religion was Man's first attempt at science and ethics.
Working with they had back then they did a pretty good job.
But religion has always been co-opted by politicians and tyrants as a
means of population control.
The scientific area of religion is not based on facts or on evidence.
The ethics stated in the various religions are self evident to any
thinking human. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
People knew not to murder each other and steal from each other way
before Moses came down the mountain.
About the only significant moral message I see in the Judeo-Chrisitian
tradition is the ban on slavery, which again should be obvious to any
thinking human. But evidently it wasn't so obvious to the ancient
Egyptians or even the founders of America.
Nowadays we have actual science. We have no need for the cosmology or
the genetics or the archaeology of the various religions because they
got it *all* wrong.
The current state of scientific knowledge is not complete nor is it even
the "truth" necessarily. But it has the distinct advantage of being
based on the observed facts and on evidence and logic.
There is no need for religion in today's World. Religion is a delusion.
The people today using religion to try to control public policy are
dangerous and should be opposed at every turn by all thinking people.
Charlie X
LOL...come on Joey, stop holding back, tell us how u REALLY feel!
LOL!!!!!!!
Charlie X
voting booths in a couple weeks, or the 'White fatassed christian
nutjobs' are going to 'take back' the country. Say what you feel here,
but YOU MUST come out and pull some levers on election day or we are
headed back to the dark ages. And this time those religious wackjobs
ARE PISSED!
335
+1
gco...@verizon.net
Love the Hate!
Chickenhead
"Bryce" <bsuth...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Frisbieinstein
> And this time those religious wackjobs
> ARE PISSED!
If Usenet posts are any indicator, they are always pissed. Natural
state of life.
Chickenhead
express their essential goodness and humanity. Unfortunately, a lot of
people have also used religion to promote and excuse evil. Religion is a
pretty crappy excuse for being a dickhead.
I often wish the good folks would do a better job of guarding their religion
from the dickheads who spread suffering in the name of and under the cloak
of religion.
"Mark Cleary" <mcle...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Frisbieinstein
>
> The ethics stated in the various religions are self evident to any
> thinking human. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
> People knew not to murder each other and steal from each other way
> before Moses came down the mountain.
Seems to me the lesson has yet to be learned.
> Nowadays we have actual science. We have no need for the cosmology or
> the genetics or the archaeology of the various religions because they
> got it *all* wrong.
Actually the Hindus got some non-obvious things very right, like
saying "Everything is a vibration." That's what the physicists say
now.
> The current state of scientific knowledge is not complete nor is it even
> the "truth" necessarily. But it has the distinct advantage of being
> based on the observed facts and on evidence and logic.
>
An advantage to you. On Usenet I read, "Science is always changing.
But the truth never changes. That's why I rely on the Bible." You
must admit there is a certain logic to that :-).
Chickenhead
"guitarannie" <guita...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 24, 6:02 pm, guitarannie <guitaran...@gmail.com> wrote:
\>>
Joey Goldstein
> On Oct 25, 9:47 am, Joey Goldstein<nos...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> The ethics stated in the various religions are self evident to any
>> thinking human. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
>> People knew not to murder each other and steal from each other way
>> before Moses came down the mountain.
>
> Seems to me the lesson has yet to be learned.
>
>> Nowadays we have actual science. We have no need for the cosmology or
>> the genetics or the archaeology of the various religions because they
>> got it *all* wrong.
>
> Actually the Hindus got some non-obvious things very right, like
> saying "Everything is a vibration." That's what the physicists say
> now.
I think the physicists today are saying that they don't know what's
going on.
They think it might be this one day then the next day they think it
might be something else. But they base *their* theories on the evidence
and on mathematical logic.
Certain parts of the puzzle they do know.
The Earth is *very* old, for example, much older than the 6 thousand
years the writers of the Bible believed in.
Evolution appears to be a fact, as well, or else the whole body of
knowledge regarding DNA's role in life is horribly off, and that doesn't
appear to be the case.
But any scientist worth his salt will admit that the ultimate truths
about the origins of the universe and/or of the origins of life have yet
to be discovered and/or proved conclusively.
>> The current state of scientific knowledge is not complete nor is it even
>> the "truth" necessarily. But it has the distinct advantage of being
>> based on the observed facts and on evidence and logic.
>>
>
> An advantage to you.
Our brains are the only advantage we have in this world.
It's stupidity, literally, not to use them.
> On Usenet I read, "Science is always changing.
> But the truth never changes. That's why I rely on the Bible." You
> must admit there is a certain logic to that :-).
Not really.
The scientific "truths" represented in the Bible are as if a 4 year old
was making them up. I.e. They're not truths at all. They're mere guesses
based on nothing else but hunches and misinformation.
Only a deluded fool would believe the Bible on anything of any
importance. IMO
It's so full of misinformation as to be laughable on nearly every page.
Chickenhead
off somewhere else.
"6fingers" <joey6f...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Gerry
with kill-files for certain users.
I can not wrap by brain around why so many of you actually want to read
and participate in this.
--
-- Gerry
6fingers
Thanks for your participation Gerry.
God Bless !
imloafin
Snippet: > Thanks for your participation...
LOL... touche.
Brings to mind a footnote in a
letter from a debtor to a creditor:
"I would have mailed you the
money I owe you, but I sealed-up
this letter before I remembered it."
(Aside: pardon my jocularity, but this thread, in my
estimation, could benefit from a distraction...whew.)
Greger Hoel
This finger guy really knows his craft, that's for sure.
--
Always cross a vampire; never moon a werewolf
David J. Littleboy
"imloafin" <imlo...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
(Aside: pardon my jocularity, but this thread, in my
estimation, could benefit from a distraction...whew.)
<<<<<<<<<
This thread is doing fine all by itself, thank you. So go answer my question
about Autumn Leaves!
--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
tom walls
> On Oct 24, 5:49 pm, sheetsofsound <jackzuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 24, 5:04 pm, 6fingers <joey6fing...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Just curious, when did you first start hating Christians ?
>
> > I hate all religions pretty much equally.
>
Hey, it sounds like a platform I could support!
tom walls
> I know one thing for sure, since I took this religion gig much more serious
> with 5 years of formation and ordination.............my guitar playing has
> gone to hell.
>
Ha! Well, there you go!
kentburnside
"On both sides, more respect." (Shakespeare, from <Coriolanus>)
TD
>
> - Show quoted text -
All well and good, but personally I do not put down a man for his
religion or vice-versa. And although I am not "religious" with the
exception of playing guitar "religiously" each and every day, I remain
befuddled as to how us humans got here in the first place. Maybe via
extra-terrests, but then how did they get where or when. That's OK ,
I'll just proceed to that tune. You guys carry on.
-TD
tom walls
> Not really.
> The scientific "truths" represented in the Bible are as if a 4 year old
> was making them up. I.e. They're not truths at all. They're mere guesses
> based on nothing else but hunches and misinformation.
> Only a deluded fool would believe the Bible on anything of any
> importance. IMO
> It's so full of misinformation as to be laughable on nearly every page.
>
> --
> Joey Goldstein
> <http://www.joeygoldstein.com>
> <http://homepage.mac.com/josephgoldstein/AudioClips/audio.htm>
> joegold AT primus DOT ca
There is much in religion that defies logic, but that is to be
expected when you're discussing the metaphysical Personally, I find
science no easier to swallow than religion.
imloafin
Posted:
> This thread is doing fine all by itself, thank you.
Psst... you omitted, "IMO".
> ...Autumn Leaves!
Yes-sir, Boss...I'll get right-on-it!
(heels-clicking-together, snap-to salute.)
This rendition w/ Miles has an extended intro, 24 bars,
prior to the melody. Any similarity to your chart?
Joey Goldstein
>
> All well and good, but personally I do not put down a man for his
> religion or vice-versa.
I only recoil from religious people when they actually believe the dogma
of their religion.
People who practice religion for merely cultural reasons, which accounts
for the majority of religious people, are a bit less dangerous.
I.e. Religion is harmless enough as long as you don't really believe it.
Lol.
As far as putting people down is concerned, so far it's just this
6Fingers creep that I'm directing any put downs towards.
Sorry if I've offended any other religion-centric people here, eg.
Deacon Mark who seems like a decent enough guy, but I call 'em the way I
see 'em.
Michael L Kankiewicz
> Lots of good responses here...i hope ALL of you guys show up at the
> voting booths in a couple weeks, or the 'White fatassed christian
> nutjobs' are going to 'take back' the country. Say what you feel here,
> but YOU MUST come out and pull some levers
...or fill in some little circles... :)
Jonathan Byrd
>
> Martin Luther King Jr. paid with his life in an effort to combat the
> kind of hatred expressed by Mr. Zucker.
>
> The slings and arrows of a small group of hateful people on this board
> is a price I am willing to accept.
Oh, you are so noble and brave. A regular Martin Luther King.
P.S., You really should contact your psychiatrist regarding your
dosage.
Joey Goldstein
Nobody knows the ultimate truth.
Anybody who claims to know the ultimate truth is someone you should be
very wary of.
Science merely has the advantage of being based on facts, observations,
experimentation and logic. That's miles ahead of anything that religion
is based on.
uiop99
sympathise more with Mr. Zucker.
A sad day for this group is any day you live.
Now go back to your sad lonely life and leave us alone.
tom walls
Not really. Buddhist thought is based on observation. Zen Buddhism is
based on logic(or ill-logic, if you will). Not so different.
gco...@verizon.net
Do you have six fingers on each hand, or a total of six fingers? How
does it affect your guitar playing?
Joey Goldstein
Reincarnation has been observed?
Pray tell me more.
kentburnside
That's easy--Lee Atwater came back as Karl Rove :)
Peace.
user-jazz
> On 10/24/2010 9:25 PM, eric s wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 24, 9:12 pm, guitarannie<guitaran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Oct 24, 6:02 pm, guitarannie<guitaran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Oct 24, 2:49 pm, sheetsofsound<jackzuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Oct 24, 5:04 pm, 6fingers<joey6fing...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> religious bigot.
>
> >>>>> For the sake of decorum, I trust you will shortly post an apology.
>
> >>>>> This is truly a sad day for this group.
>
> >>>>> Just curious, when did you first start hating Christians ?
>
> Joey Goldstein
> <http://www.joeygoldstein.com>
> <http://homepage.mac.com/josephgoldstein/AudioClips/audio.htm>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hate its not a good feeling I think.
Religious beliefs are personal because the soul is something unique in
each person, you cannot hate someone for believing or not believing.
War is the most miserable thing that human beings have, you can not be
Christian and support war in any way that is a huge contradiction in
the words of Christ.
my two cents
best for all,
Agustin.
6fingers
does it affect your guitar playing? "
Why would you attempt to personalize this ?
It's not about me.
It's about combating
racism
intolerance
religious bigotry
gender bias
I believe in redemption and forgiveness. I also believe that if Mr.
Zucker were to embrace the light, his better half if you will, then
all of us on this board would grow in a spiritual sense.
In years to come, I hope we could all look back on this as a profound
"teachable moment".
Perhaps we should all look deep inside and confront our demons,and
eschew the path of pettiness and personalized attacks as some on this
board ( JACK ZUCKER ) have chosen to take.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne7fPpxAnuM
tom walls
So do you believe everything that science tells you? This is a
rhetorical question. You need not answer.
Carl
> On Oct 24, 5:04 pm, 6fingers <joey6fing...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well Schiltz, you have finally revealed yourself as a racist, and a
>> religious bigot.
>>
>> For the sake of decorum, I trust you will shortly post an apology.
>>
>> This is truly a sad day for this group.
>>
>> Just curious, when did you first start hating Christians ?
>
> I hate all religions pretty much equally.
>
>
has been the cause of more divisiveness among human beings, the rationale
for more hate, than any other single thing, imho. It had its place centuries
ago, when Mankind was more superstitious and less knowledgable about the
world around Him, but it certainly has survived way past its usefulness.
Greger Hoel
> Not really. Buddhist thought is based on observation. Zen Buddhism is
> based on logic(or ill-logic, if you will). Not so different.
Well, there's also the not so small matter of what you do with what you
observe.
Carl
> " Since you brought it up out of nowhere with the obvious intent of
> belittling Jack, it seems you not only expect, but you embrace your
> own peculiar brand of hatefulness. "
>
> All people of good will have a responsibility to combat
>
> hatefulness
>
> and
>
> bigotry
>
> wherever we find it.
>
> I'm saddened that you would make a personal attack against
> me in your effort to help others perpetuate their own religious, and
> racial bigotry.
>
> http://www.holidays.net/mlk/speech.htm
>
> We have come too far, to return to the days of bigotry and
> hatefulness.
>
> Martin Luther King Jr. paid with his life in an effort to combat the
> kind of hatred expressed by Mr. Zucker.
>
> The slings and arrows of a small group of hateful people on this board
> is a price I am willing to accept.
>
>
as an example of a person who combatted hatred? His issues weren't generally
about religion. Your choice to name one person is curious to me.
Joey Goldstein
>
> Hate its not a good feeling I think.
Agreed.
> Religious beliefs are personal because the soul is something unique in
> each person,
While each person is most definitely unique there is no evidence that
anything such as what I think you conceive of as the "soul" exists.
> you cannot hate someone for believing or not believing.
Can I can call someone who is deluded "deluded"?
Can I fight their ideology whenever I am confronted with it?
Can I fight back when they attempt to oppress me for not buying into
their delusion?
> War is the most miserable thing that human beings have,
Agreed.
Yet every once in a while war is the only way to proceed. That's not
very often the case, but every once in a while it is. Eg. The war
against Nazism.
Man has always had to fight for resources and for territory in one way
or another. It's just the way of the world.
The trappings of civilization are merely grafted onto our animal natures
and serve only to make life a bit more bearable for the weaker
individuals within society so that they can contribute things besides
physical dominance, like brains.
But when men fight wars over religious ideology (eg. The Crusades, al
Quaida's war with the West, etc.) not only is that miserable it's also
completely insane as well as being idiotic.
> you can not be
> Christian and support war in any way that is a huge contradiction in
> the words of Christ.
Boy, are you naive.
> my two cents
>
> best for all,
> Agustin.
Joey Goldstein
I believe nothing that science tells me because I know that they will
know even more as the years go on.
Science isn't really about knowing IMO.
It's about discovering how things, including the Universe and the men
within it, work, not by guessing but by rational interpretation of the
facts.
science |ˈsʌɪəns|
noun
the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic
study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world
through observation and experiment : the world of science and technology.
miguel
point. This style of trolling has recently made its appearance on a
number of the boards that I read. The trolls are polite and stick to
their talking points. Is there a webpage or mailing list where one
could learn this new style of trolling?
Ron
Chickenhead
stuff gets real important to me for a short period of time. Since I'm poor
and a cheap bastard too, I fulfill my political obligations by spewing my
convictions all over the web.
Fortunately, for rmmgj and the rest of humanity, it will end in a couple of
weeks. After the election I'll return to my baseline level of bitching.
"Gerry" <add...@domain.com> wrote in message
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> This thread is yet another great endorsement of dedicated newsreaders with
> kill-files for certain users.
>
> I can not wrap by brain around why so many of you actually want to read
> and participate in this.
> --
> -- Gerry
>
David J. Littleboy
Yes-sir, Boss...I'll get right-on-it!
(heels-clicking-together, snap-to salute.)
This rendition w/ Miles has an extended intro, 24 bars,
prior to the melody. Any similarity to your chart?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPHtQn1t1n4&feature=related
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Nope. No similarity whatsoever. Love that intro, though.
Chickenhead
hate even without religion.
"Carl" <crot...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
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Joey Goldstein
gco...@verizon.net
You did not answer my questions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
David Brosseau
>> Christian and support war in any way that is a huge contradiction in
>> the words of Christ.
> Boy, are you naive.
Depends on how you define "Christian", and the definitions are
infinite.
Were the 9/11 terrorists "Islamist extremists"? Some would say their
actions proove they where not practicing Islam and therefore could not
be "Islamists", extreme or otherwise. They were just insane, murdering
monsters.
BTW, while I agree with most everything you have said regarding
religon, I find the atrocities commited by some humans leads me to
wonder if true evil really exists.
ES175_Player
wall....LOL..
user-jazz
Joey,
>Can I can call someone who is deluded "deluded"?
Are you the judge?who is deceived? who decides who is deceived?
>Can I fight their ideology whenever I am confronted with it?
>Can I fight back when they attempt to oppress me for not buying into
their delusion?
You can defend yourself but you can not overdo it on the defense
because there you're turning into what you become what you dislike
about others
>Man has always had to fight for resources and for territory in one way
or another. It's just the way of the world
That will not be caused by selfishness or ambition? I think that any
human being would have primary mission is to fight injustice with
justice, and that you say are injustices, I do not agree with that to
happen.
>But when men fight wars over religious ideology (eg. The Crusades, al
Quaida's war with the West, etc.) not only is that miserable it's
also
completely insane as well as being idiotic.
Not only is this idiot is contradictory
soul = uniqueness, personality, you name it
David, I do not mean a subset of Christians in particular, but the
concept of Christ's words, the 10 commandments, namely the dogma, etc.
I do not understand Christians who justify the war and then read the
"no murder" "love your neighbor as yourself" and feel satisfied with
their belief, murder is the same for all people every colour, race,
beleif, etc.
I'm not naive I am pragmatic friend, if its say black is black is not
gray.
I do not know anything about the Islamic faith so I can not say in the
matter, But I think those people were more than wrong.
I respect different opinions you may have
Peace,
ps. David the Jazz line its super great every day I play I feel better
thank you!
.
Mark Cleary
--
"Joey Goldstein" <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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I don't know if this means war but these are straight from the Gospel of
Luke and in my "faith" the word of God in the words of man.
Luke Chapter 12 vs 49-51
I have come to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already
blazing!
There is a baptism with which I must be baptized, and how great is my
anguish until it is accomplished!
Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the earth? No, I tell
you, but rather division.
The Lord is working in the newsgroup for sure! I wonder if we could give the
Lord a guitar what model he would choose, and would be play smooth jazz? My
guess is they he would have zero interest in theory since he has divine
knowledge and could simply play anything he heard. I wonder if he would hate
those "built in pickups" or find those plywood boxes much more practical
traveling around the desert and too much variation in conditions.
My guess is that he was pretty good an eating with the tax collectors and
would have no problem sitting down playing a tune with Joey G, at least if
He was a guitar player. I really think he would like to jam with Jack to but
someone would have to explain the concept of "Sheets of Sound", and even
then I wonder what he would do with the information. I like this thread.
Deacon Mark Cleary
Epiphany Church
Mark Cleary
--
Deacon Mark Cleary
Epiphany Church
"Mark Cleary" <mcle...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Actually I should say this thread has my mind working but I do not agree
with how it started or the thought process that started it, that was
clearly uncalled for from a Cleary.
guitarannie
> War is the most miserable thing that human beings have, you can not be
> Christian and support war in any way that is a huge contradiction in
> the words of Christ.
>
> my two cents
>
> best for all,
> Agustin.
Best to you too
I remember though that during the Vietnam war.
Anytime a Catholic who did not wish to be drafted tried to
claim conscientious objector status they were laughed at
because in the words of the day they belonged to "The War Church"
I guess that the Catholics aren't "Christian"
Remember the Crusades, the Spanish inquisition,
the completely intolerant Pilgrims, etc.
And don't forget the Christian Slave-owners here in the U.S.
But that history is sure inconvenient.
I know one conscientious objector who succeeded, the nicest man I
ever met.
He was and is a Unitarian.
sheetsofsound
guitarannie
Then good on you sir.
Seems like a good note (Nudge Nudge, Wink Wink) to end this on.
eric s
me too!
Eric
tom walls
This is a healthy attitude IMHO.
tom walls
> På Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:55:05 +0200, skrev tom walls <tomwa...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Not really. Buddhist thought is based on observation. Zen Buddhism is
> > based on logic(or ill-logic, if you will). Not so different.
>
> Well, there's also the not so small matter of what you do with what you
> observe.
>
> --
> Always cross a vampire; never moon a werewolf
What are you referring to, Greger?
tom walls
I'm a Dis-Unitarian!
Greger Hoel
> On Oct 25, 2:20ï¿œpm, "Greger Hoel" <greg...@blowme.com> wrote:
>> Pￜ Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:55:05 +0200, skrev tom walls
>> <tomwa...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> > Not really. Buddhist thought is based on observation. Zen Buddhism is
>> > based on logic(or ill-logic, if you will). Not so different.
>>
>> Well, there's also the not so small matter of what you do with what you
>> ￜ
>> observe.
> What are you referring to, Greger?
Lots of things, really. Like using the observations to hypothesize and
observer further theories; publishing your results, making them accessible
for peer rewiev, etc. The whole scientific process, really, as opposed to
only its point of origin: observation.
tom walls
> På Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:04:14 +0200, skrev tom walls <tomwa...@gmail.com>:
>
> > On Oct 25, 2:20 pm, "Greger Hoel" <greg...@blowme.com> wrote:
> >> <tomwa...@gmail.com>:
>
> >> > Not really. Buddhist thought is based on observation. Zen Buddhism is
> >> > based on logic(or ill-logic, if you will). Not so different.
>
> >> Well, there's also the not so small matter of what you do with what you
> >>
> > What are you referring to, Greger?
>
> Lots of things, really. Like using the observations to hypothesize and
> observer further theories; publishing your results, making them accessible
> for peer rewiev, etc. The whole scientific process, really, as opposed to
> only its point of origin: observation.
>
> --
True, true.
Carl
> On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:27:22 +0100, uiop99 <uio...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't follow off-topic threads, but anytime you post shit like
>> this I sympathise more with Mr. Zucker.
>> A sad day for this group is any day you live.
>> Now go back to your sad lonely life and leave us alone.
>>
>>
>> Em 24-10-2010 22:04, 6fingers escreveu:
>>> Well Schiltz, you have finally revealed yourself as a racist, and a
>>> religious bigot.
>>>
>>> For the sake of decorum, I trust you will shortly post an apology.
>>>
>>> This is truly a sad day for this group.
>>>
>>> Just curious, when did you first start hating Christians ?
>
> Do you have six fingers on each hand, or a total of six fingers? How
> does it affect your guitar playing?
>
>
scotch. :-)
Carl
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYyHGRM3qqU
>
>
This is pretty much to the point- and can be applied to any religion
actually. Loved it. Thanks.
Paul K
>>> Pￜ Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:55:05 +0200, skrev tom walls
>>> <tomwa...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> > Not really. Buddhist thought is based on observation. Zen Buddhism is
>>> > based on logic(or ill-logic, if you will). Not so different.
>>>
>>> Well, there's also the not so small matter of what you do with what
>>> you
>
>> What are you referring to, Greger?
>
> Lots of things, really. Like using the observations to hypothesize and
> observer further theories; publishing your results, making them
> accessible for peer rewiev, etc. The whole scientific process, really,
> as opposed to only its point of origin: observation.
>
--
Paul K
http://www.youtube.com/user/fibrationboy
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=240975
http://mypage.iu.edu/~pkirk/
Joey Goldstein
I really don't know how to answer that.
Really.
Greger Hoel
> Greger Hoel wrote:
>> Pￜ Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:04:14 +0200, skrev tom walls
>> <tomw...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2:20 pm, "Greger Hoel" <greg...@blowme.com> wrote:
>>>> Pￜ Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:55:05 +0200, skrev tom walls
>>>> <tomwa...@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> > Not really. Buddhist thought is based on observation. Zen Buddhism
>>>> is
>>>> > based on logic(or ill-logic, if you will). Not so different.
>>>>
>>>> Well, there's also the not so small matter of what you do with what
>>>> you observe.
>>
>>> What are you referring to, Greger?
>> Lots of things, really. Like using the observations to hypothesize and
>> observer further theories; publishing your results, making them
>> accessible for peer rewiev, etc. The whole scientific process, really,
>> as opposed to only its point of origin: observation.
>>
> reproducibility.
Exactly, etterprï¿œvbarhet, as I would've said it. I couldn't think of the
right word for it in English. I blame all that thinking for the use of
"observer" as a verb brain fart.
Tim McNamara
<0865d14a-5c16-4ee2...@n26g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
tom walls <tomw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 25, 12:43�am, Joey Goldstein <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
> > Not really. The scientific "truths" represented in the Bible are as
> > if a 4 year old was making them up. I.e. They're not truths at all.
> > They're mere guesses based on nothing else but hunches and
> > misinformation. Only a deluded fool would believe the Bible on
> > anything of any importance. IMO It's so full of misinformation as
> > to be laughable on nearly every page.
>
> There is much in religion that defies logic, but that is to be
> expected when you're discussing the metaphysical Personally, I find
> science no easier to swallow than religion.
You don't have to swallow science. You have to follow the demonstration
of logical proof from observation to conclusion.
Religion requires the suspension of disbelief. That's what faith is, at
its core. Mark Twain referred to it as "believing what you know ain't
so."
Science also accepts the possibility of refutation; religion cannot
accept that possibility. The exception to both the suspension of
disbelief and the assertion of absolute rightness among religions is
found in Buddhism, which- lacking a god- really doesn't seem like a
religion to me.
--
That'll put marzipan in your pie plate, Bingo.
Tim McNamara
Joey Goldstein <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On 10/25/2010 12:55 PM, tom walls wrote:
> > On Oct 25, 12:16 pm, Joey Goldstein<nos...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> >> On 10/25/2010 11:50 AM, tom walls wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 25, 12:43 am, Joey Goldstein<nos...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Not really. The scientific "truths" represented in the Bible are
> >>>> as if a 4 year old was making them up. I.e. They're not truths
> >>>> at all. They're mere guesses based on nothing else but hunches
> >>>> and misinformation. Only a deluded fool would believe the Bible
> >>>> on anything of any importance. IMO It's so full of
> >>>> misinformation as to be laughable on nearly every page.
> >>
> >>> There is much in religion that defies logic, but that is to be
> >>> expected when you're discussing the metaphysical Personally, I
> >>> find science no easier to swallow than religion.
> >>
> >> Nobody knows the ultimate truth. Anybody who claims to know the
> >> ultimate truth is someone you should be very wary of. Science
> >> merely has the advantage of being based on facts, observations,
> >> experimentation and logic. That's miles ahead of anything that
> >> religion is based on.
> >
> > Not really. Buddhist thought is based on observation. Zen Buddhism
> > is based on logic(or ill-logic, if you will). Not so different.
>
> Reincarnation has been observed? Pray tell me more.
"Reincarnation" is a difficult and much-misunderstood topic in Buddhism
especially in the West where our thinking is conditioned by the
widespread acceptance of the notion of a "soul" as a somehow eternal
aspect of ourselves that will outlive our material bodies. Since,
according to Buddhism, there is no separate or enduring self or soul
then there is nothing to be reincarnated. "Rebirth" is also used but
suffers from the same problem- since there is no enduring self, what can
be reborn? IIRC it was Philip Kapleau Roshi who described it thus: a
transfer of energy from one life to another, like a cue ball hitting
another ball on a pool table transfers energy or a pick transfers energy
to a string, which then transfers energy to the body of the guitar
(and/or pickup, wiring, amplifier, speaker and then to the listener).
I think it would maybe be more accurate to say that the conditions of
one life (and death) affect the conditions of another life. Cause and
effect are accepted in science and are a central part of the Buddhist
viewpoint, in which cause and effect are referred to as "karma." When
crossing lives and generations, some Western religions describe this as
the sins of the fathers being visited on the sons; of course, the virtue
of the fathers could also be visited on the sons but that's usually left
out because the overwhelming tone of Western religion is to threaten and
admonish.
I like that a lot better, though: the virtue of the parent will be
visited upon the child. Here's to being virtuous parents (whether
literally or metaphorically)!
Tim McNamara
"Greger Hoel" <gre...@blowme.com> wrote:
> P� Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:00:36 +0200, skrev Paul K <n...@none.net>:
>
> > Greger Hoel wrote:
> >> P� Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:04:14 +0200, skrev tom walls
> >> <tomw...@gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>> On Oct 25, 2:20 pm, "Greger Hoel" <greg...@blowme.com> wrote:
> >>>> P� Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:55:05 +0200, skrev tom walls
> >>>> <tomwa...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Not really. Buddhist thought is based on observation. Zen
> >>>> > Buddhism
> >>>> is
> >>>> > based on logic(or ill-logic, if you will). Not so different.
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, there's also the not so small matter of what you do with
> >>>> what you observe.
> >>
> >>> What are you referring to, Greger?
> >> Lots of things, really. Like using the observations to
> >> hypothesize and
> >> observer further theories; publishing your results, making them
> >> accessible for peer rewiev, etc. The whole scientific process,
> >> really, as opposed to only its point of origin: observation.
> >>
> > reproducibility.
>
> Exactly, etterpr�vbarhet,
Easy for you to say! ;-)
I can't say "R�dgr�d med fl�de" properly either.
> as I would've said it. I couldn't think of the right word for it in
> English. I blame all that thinking for the use of "observer" as a
> verb brain fart.
--
Chickenhead
District had the following conversation:
Menachem: Albert, tell me please, why did God create Christians?
Albert: Someone has to buy at retail.
"imloafin" <imlo...@windstream.net> wrote in message
news:fec85119-8814-407b...@30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> LOL... touche.
>
> Brings to mind a footnote in a
> letter from a debtor to a creditor:
>
> "I would have mailed you the
> money I owe you, but I sealed-up
> this letter before I remembered it."
>
> (Aside: pardon my jocularity, but this thread, in my
> estimation, could benefit from a distraction...whew.)
>
>
>
Chickenhead
I think nature may select for religion. Religion may have some evolutionary
advantages.
From what I've observed about humans, if humans didn't hate each other for
being different, they'd hate each other for being the same.
"Carl" <crot...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
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> Why add a man-made factor into the mix when we already have so many great
> nature-made differences to divide us, like skin and eye color, hair
> quality, height, and intellectual and physical abilities?
>
sheetsofsound
<kuNOrtSPAMshapTHANK...@YOUhoVERYtmail.MUCHcom> wrote:
> Two old Jews, Menachem and Albert, sitting on a park bench in the Garment
> District had the following conversation:
>
> Menachem: Albert, tell me please, why did God create Christians?
> Albert: Someone has to buy at retail.
>
hilarious!
TD
>
> - Show quoted text -
"or a pick transfers energy
to a string, which then transfers energy to the body of the guitar
(and/or pickup, wiring, amplifier, speaker and then to the listener"
Ahh yes, well now you sound like you are finally onto a more plausible
track. Keep up with the sidetracking and your heavy-handed picking
will no doubt realize it's electric nirvana.
-TD
tom walls
There are many mystical traditions found within and without the
popular religions that go beyond scripture and gobbledy-gook and
employ the practice of direct experience. Skeptics typically pick
something about a religion that they don't like and harp on it while
ignoring anything else it might have to offer. That's their choice,
and I trust they're happy with it. The god that the skeptics speak of
is one that the faithful don't recognize.
It's as if I declaimed science for its failure to acknowledge the
healing powers of chicken soup. And I do!
TD
>
> - Show quoted text -
Chicken Soup is God!!!
-TD
Tim McNamara
<f43f8179-968b-4567...@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
TD <tonyde...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "or a pick transfers energy to a string, which then transfers energy
> to the body of the guitar (and/or pickup, wiring, amplifier, speaker
> and then to the listener"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra%27s_net
> Ahh yes, well now you sound like you are finally onto a more
> plausible track. Keep up with the sidetracking and your heavy-handed
> picking will no doubt realize it's electric nirvana.
Maybe that'll get me to electric ladyland.