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nqbqbep

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Nov 2, 2010, 6:44:38 PM11/2/10
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Hey gang,

Which standard is Barry Harris playing here?

http://vimeo.com/14746373


Thanks

Michael

guitarannie

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Nov 2, 2010, 7:22:46 PM11/2/10
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"Heart and Soul" with many wonderful chords.
Kids learn to play it as a rondole (round)
2 kids on a bench 1 piano

nqbqbep

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Nov 2, 2010, 8:46:40 PM11/2/10
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That's it! Many thanks! Barry's repertoire is based mainly on tunes
Bud Powell played, and his version of "Heart and Soul" is based on
Bud's version from the 1955 album "Piano Interpretations". I actually
bought this album recently but haven't heard it yet, so I didn't know
the tune.

One more thing I just learned from Wikipedia's entry for "Heart and
Soul":
We may not know it, but everytime we jazzers play a I-VI-II-V (or I-VI-
IV-V) progression, we are actually playing the "50s progression" aka
"Ice-cream changes".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50s_progression

DannyW.

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Nov 2, 2010, 9:51:45 PM11/2/10
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On Nov 2, 3:44 pm, nqbqbep <isle.of.j...@gmail.com> wrote:

Great version--thanks!

Here's a much earlier version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9-WLXm_faE

Danny W.

Carl

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Nov 4, 2010, 11:06:57 AM11/4/10
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Your wikipedia reference is pretty right-on. I was disappointed to not see
The Everly Brothers 1958 hit "All I Have to do is Dream" on the list. While
some great songs preceeded it by a little (ie. Earth Angel), those changes
didn't actually come into my awareness until "Dream". Probably because I was
too young to think of music that way in 1954, but much more ready after
1958.

There's one other thing that I think the wikipedia reference disappointingly
misses, and I'll stand open to correction on this if need be, but aren't
those changes actually what jazzers commonly call "Rhythm Changes" from the
Gershwin tune, "I Got Rhythm"? If so, "Rhythm" way preceedes all those 50's
rock tunes and is arguably the original source for them. If correct, the
entire "Ice Cream Changes" notion becomes moot.


Carl

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Nov 4, 2010, 11:19:04 AM11/4/10
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I took the time to explore my own hypothesis and here's the incontrovertible
truth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythm_changes. Makes for interesting
reading on several levels.


nqbqbep

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Nov 4, 2010, 6:33:45 PM11/4/10
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My comment about the "50s progression" was ironic of course. It's
funny (and ignorant) to give this name to a generic chord progression
used in countless tunes in lots of different kinds of music and which
has been around since the beginning of the 1900's (at least). "I Got
Rhythm" is certainly not the first tune to have a I-VI-II-V - almost
every standard has it (at least as a turnaround)...

Bg

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Nov 4, 2010, 9:14:41 PM11/4/10
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but aren't
> those changes actually what jazzers commonly call "Rhythm Changes" from the
> Gershwin tune, "I Got Rhythm"? If so, "Rhythm" way preceedes all those 50's
> rock tunes and is arguably the original source for them. If correct, the
> entire "Ice Cream Changes" notion becomes moot.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I Believe what's called Rhythm Changes is the whole 8 Bar section of
that tune.
Heart & Sole is basically 1-6-2-5, and goes thru a cycle on the
Bridge.

Bg

Carl

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Nov 5, 2010, 8:12:52 PM11/5/10
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Granted it was most probably used well before Gershwin, but his tune
popularized the changes in the jazz repertoire and they are commonly called
"Rhythm Changes" to my knowledge, just as they are most commonly played in
Bb when done instrumentally (ie. sans vocalist). But I'm sure you know
this. I'm just thinking out loud.


Carl

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Nov 5, 2010, 8:16:42 PM11/5/10
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According to the link I provided above,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythm_changes, "Rhythm Changes" refers to only
the first four chords of the progression, not the entire 8 bars. Of course,
we can debate the accuracy of wikipedia entries later.

Read the link. I think it's actually pretty interesting.


DannyW.

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Nov 5, 2010, 10:12:36 PM11/5/10
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On Nov 5, 5:16 pm, "Carl" <croth...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> Bg wrote:
> > but aren't
> >> those changes actually what jazzers commonly call "Rhythm Changes"
> >> from the Gershwin tune, "I Got Rhythm"? If so, "Rhythm" way
> >> preceedes all those 50's rock tunes and is arguably the original
> >> source for them. If correct, the entire "Ice Cream Changes" notion
> >> becomes moot.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I Believe what's called Rhythm Changes is the whole 8 Bar section of
> > that tune.
> > Heart & Sole is basically 1-6-2-5, and goes thru a cycle on the
> > Bridge.
>
> > Bg
>
> According to the link I provided above,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythm_changes, "Rhythm Changes" refers to only

> the first four chords of the progression, not the entire 8 bars. Of course,
> we can debate the accuracy of wikipedia entries later.
>
> Read the link. I think it's actually pretty interesting.

I think you must have missed something--here's what the link says:

>>>>The "rhythm changes" is a thirty-two-bar AABA form containing four eight measure sections.<<<<<<

which is correct.

Danny W.

DannyW.

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Nov 5, 2010, 10:18:40 PM11/5/10
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Oops, hit the send key too quickly...

The four bar comment refers to the use in pop music (mostly doo wop),
but jazz usage refers to the complete 32-bar form.

Danny W.

Bg

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Nov 6, 2010, 3:31:01 AM11/6/10
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> Danny W.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Yup, as soon as I hit the Send button, I knew i messed up, 32 bars for
sure..

Bg

Bill Williams

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Nov 7, 2010, 8:55:19 AM11/7/10
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Both great videos - thanks.

B.

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