American Epiphone 335?
Jack A. Zucker
model but it's basically a 335 with mini humbuckers.
Anyone played one? It sounds wonderful for jazz. For some reason, it just
sounds so much sweeter than a stock 335. I just want to make sure I can get
my money back when, err...I mean if I decide to sell it down the road...
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hole. I can't remember what the pickup was. It was a fantastic instrument.
I wish I'd never sold it.
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Brian Kerr
> model but it's basically a 335 with mini humbuckers.
>
> Anyone played one? It sounds wonderful for jazz. For some reason, it just
> sounds so much sweeter than a stock 335. I just want to make sure I can
get
> my money back when, err...I mean if I decide to sell it down the road...
>
I'd have a tough time paying that kind of money for a 335 copy after playing
my Ibanez Artstar for the last 9 months. For $500 new, this guitar keeps my
PRS sitting in the case way too often. They have phased out the Artstar
models now in favor of their new Artcore series, and I'm not certain if they
are still offering a 335 copy or not, but I'd look there first as the feel
and sound blows away any new Epiphone I've ever played.
Brian
thom_j
> I'd have a tough time paying that kind of money for a 335 copy after
> playing
> my Ibanez Artstar for the last 9 months. For $500 new, this guitar keeps
> my
> PRS sitting in the case way too often. They have phased out the Artstar
> models now in favor of their new Artcore series, and I'm not certain if
> they
> are still offering a 335 copy or not, but I'd look there first as the feel
> and sound blows away any new Epiphone I've ever played.
> Brian
>
I think most online outlets sell the AS83 for about $425 for righties..
iirc?
thom_j.
Peter Catlin
Casino and Sheraton guitars but (IMHO) both the stock
http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=6&CollectionID=1 and elite
versions http://www.epiphone.com/elitist/riviera.htm are great guitars with
very good mini humbucker p'ups giving a clean sweet sound. Check out Chicago
blues/jazz guitarist Dave Specter (a Ronnie Earl alumni) who is a Riviera
endorsee!
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JLH as it was advertised as.
Sam Ash has a 15 or 30 day money back guarantee so I bought it to try
for a couple weeks. I've owned several Gibson 335s, Ibanez AS200s and a
Scofield, Yamaha SA2000, SA2200s, Heritage 535s,Hofner Verythin and
others. I have to say this guitar is up there with the absolute best of
them. The mini humbuckers sound wonderful. Very warm and round and yet
not tubby like full sized humbuckers can get. Very Bensony sound for
jazz and a nice and sweet blues or fusion tone. The middle position
twangs up really nice and the bridge pickup sounds bright and full
without being shrill.
Does anyone know which Gibson plant these are made in? Are they lacquer
or Poly finishes, etc?
If I keep it, I'll post some clips. My biggest concern is resale value.
Unfortunately, Gibson has succeeded in ruining the epiphone reputation.
http://www.epiphone.com/elitist/sheraton.htm
GregD/OASYSCO
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Jack,
Did you go with the John Lee Hooker model or the Elite? I thought the
Hooker models were near-custom shop creations out of Nashville. The Elites
are MIJ, afaik.
I've heard great things about the Elite models on workmanship, sound, and
value.
Greg
Don Judy
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The JLH models seem to be holding their value pretty well. You never see
them for less than a $1000 and the stores are not deep discounting them ever
that I can see. Did you get the one with the trapeze tailpiece or the stop?
The JLH models are supposedly Sheraton variants but they always cost the
extra 9 yards. If you like it it'll likely hold its value.
j...@jackzucker.com
GregD/OASYSCO wrote:
> Jack,
>
> Did you go with the John Lee Hooker model or the Elite? I thought the
> Hooker models were near-custom shop creations out of Nashville. The
Elites
> are MIJ, afaik.
Wow, this is really confusing. No wonder these are not selling. I
thought it was the elite but now after reading your email I don't know
if it's this model:
http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=17&CollectionID=2
or this model:
http://www.epiphone.com/elitist/sheraton.htm
How can I tell the difference?
The only things I can see are that the nashville one looks like it has
an ebony fingerboard and the Epiphone inlay on the trussrod cover.
There's nothing on mine which says made in Japan. Would that be a
sticker?
They sold it as a USA guitar but I'm not sure how to tell.
Sheesh.
thom_j
> or Poly finishes, etc?
>
> If I keep it, I'll post some clips. My biggest concern is resale value.
> Unfortunately, Gibson has succeeded in ruining the epiphone reputation.
> http://www.epiphone.com/elitist/sheraton.htm
Only curious Jack... Is this for you or your son?
Also the original series of the Epi JLH Sheraton (not Sheraton II
but imho the IIs are fine also) are superb. always curious thom_j.
thom_j
> http://www.epiphone.com/elitist/sheraton.htm
>
> How can I tell the difference?
>
> The only things I can see are that the nashville one looks like it has
> an ebony fingerboard and the Epiphone inlay on the trussrod cover.
>
> There's nothing on mine which says made in Japan. Would that be a
> sticker?
> They sold it as a USA guitar but I'm not sure how to tell.
>
> Sheesh.
Just to make things more confusing, go & A/B yours with a
Sheraton II (of course these have regular hums) and I'll bet
you won't see a big difference in playibility! Sound? maybe
but you can buy "like new or new" Epi Sheraton IIs cheap!
and of course you can always put "mini-hums" in them..
thom_j.
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Custom guitar but in the meantime, I need something that I can play
loud without feedback.
It's a great sounding guitar but if it's the Japanese model, it's too
much money and I'd lose a ton when I sell it. If it's the american
model, I should be able to break even for the $1157+$93 tax I paid for
it.
The website is maddening. I can't even read the specs of the american
series instrument because of the font they use. Looks like it says rw
fingerboard but it sure looks like ebony in the picture. How stupid can
they be?!?
GregD/OASYSCO
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Jack,
The Hooker guitars (natural/VSB twins) had a special sticker inside
stating the original number of John's guitar (001) and your serial
number.
The Hookers were well over $2,000 when they came out a couple of years
back, but I've seen refurbs at MF for $1400. The Elite versions are
about $1100 street. And then back in the 90's, there was supposedly a
short run of these Epis made in the USA (Nashville). They didn't sell
well, so it didn't last long. Maybe thta's the one you have???
Call Gibson customer service; they'll tell you.
Greg
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Again Jack try a Epi Sherton II... They might just surprise the Ka'Ka
out of you, and again you can always "swap out" the reg hums for the
mini'hums cheaply.. I had a lefty of the original JLH that Greg speaks
about that sold for $2000+ & loved it but I sold it a few months ago.
Stupidly I might add!.... Good luck on whatever you chose.. tee'..
j...@jackzucker.com
on those? If so, that's an easy way to tell assuming it's not
counterfeited...
I can't remember what this says on the sticker but you can be sure I'll
check when I get home! :-)
If it *IS* an elite and not the JLH, maybe I can get them to sell it to
me for $800 or somethin...
GregD/OASYSCO
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> Thanks Greg. Does it actually say John Lee Hooker inside on the sticker
> on those? If so, that's an easy way to tell assuming it's not
> counterfeited...
AFAIK, yes, it does say that - Thom, you know for sure?
>
> I can't remember what this says on the sticker but you can be sure I'll
> check when I get home! :-)
>
> If it *IS* an elite and not the JLH, maybe I can get them to sell it to
> me for $800 or somethin...
Jack, here's what the Elites go for street - solid topped Broadway ($1200-
1400), Byrdland ($1200-1400), LP's ($800). So if it is an Elite, $1100
might be about right. Yer right about resale - with the cheapie Epis made
in Korean and China, you'll lose your shirt on resale if it's a MIJ model,
though from what I understand, they are absolutely excellent guitars.
Before buying my 175, I cane *this* close to picking up an Epi Byrdland for
$1250 shipped.
Greg
Charlie
have this axe as my first electric.
1. www.492acousticblues.com/guitars.html
- bottom of page..includes manufacturer's link as well...
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> "j...@jackzucker.com" <j...@jackzucker.com> wrote in
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>> Thanks Greg. Does it actually say John Lee Hooker inside on the sticker
>> on those? If so, that's an easy way to tell assuming it's not
>> counterfeited...
>
> AFAIK, yes, it does say that - Thom, you know for sure?
>
here anymore but fwiw I do like the JLHs & Sheratons! thom_j.
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Elite on the back of the headstock. However, the JLH sticker could
easily be counterfeited on the inside label. There is no serial number
on the guitar itself that I could find. The pickguard says Boogie Man
(very faintly) and the truss rod cover says John Lee Hooker.
Jack Zucker
http://www.sheetsofsound.net/images/jlh/front.jpg
http://www.sheetsofsound.net/images/jlh/back.jpg
http://www.sheetsofsound.net/images/jlh/headstockfront.jpg
http://www.sheetsofsound.net/images/jlh/headstockback.jpg
http://www.sheetsofsound.net/images/jlh/label.jpg
It appears to be the real thing. Is $1250 a good price?
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> Here are the pix.
>
> http://www.sheetsofsound.net/images/jlh/front.jpg
> http://www.sheetsofsound.net/images/jlh/back.jpg
> http://www.sheetsofsound.net/images/jlh/headstockfront.jpg
> http://www.sheetsofsound.net/images/jlh/headstockback.jpg
> http://www.sheetsofsound.net/images/jlh/label.jpg
>
> It appears to be the real thing. Is $1250 a good price?
>
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> > Sam Ash has a used one for $1150. It's an american made John Lee Hooker
> > model but it's basically a 335 with mini humbuckers.
That's a beautiful guitar. It has the better Epiphone headstock with the
more finely done inlays in the vine. I think the mini humbuckers are another
improvement. Definitely the JLH, not coiunterfeited. My Sheraton has no
markings on the actual body or neck and has full humbuckers; it would be
hard to put together a counterfeit JLH I think. Since the label is missing I
don't know when it was actually made, but I'm not surprised there are no
markings on the body or neck of yours, I've seen this in a number of older
Sheratons for sale. I suspect mine may be American, it's from the early 90s
at least but I don't care since I'm not selling it. Or maybe I will someday,
but I like it too much.
dj
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Rene Oliver
I checked the 2004 epiphone catalog. It says that the JLH USA
Sheraton has laminate spruce top. From your pix/label the top looks
maple. I could be wrong though. Anyway the guitar looks great.
rene
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it's a typo. I think it's got a maple/spruce/maple plywood top.
Check out the hofner if you want a spruce top.
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>It's a great sounding guitar but if it's the Japanese model, it's too
>much money and I'd lose a ton when I sell it. If it's the american
>model, I should be able to break even for the $1157+$93 tax I paid for
>it.
>
>The website is maddening. I can't even read the specs of the american
>series instrument because of the font they use. Looks like it says rw
>fingerboard but it sure looks like ebony in the picture. How stupid can
>they be?!?
I looked into these a couple years back when they first came out
because I'm a huge JLH fan and I had already had a MIK Sheraton that I
really liked.
Although nothing was absolutely definitely established (lineage of
these is murky, as you are finding) it appeared that the deal with
these is that they are *not* made in the USA. By that I mean that the
guitar body, neck, etc. is made and fully assembled in Asia (Japan?).
They were then shipped to the USA where they were final finished,
painted, and had all the hardware and electronics added. This
apparently represented a sufficient percentage of the final value of
the guitar that they were legally entitled to label it "made in the
USA". But the woodwork, and to me that *is* the guitar, is not done
in the USA.
FWIW, and I make no claims to be an expert.
Gannet
St. Petersburg, Florida
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> Although nothing was absolutely definitely established (lineage of
> these is murky, as you are finding) it appeared that the deal with
> these is that they are *not* made in the USA. By that I mean that the
> guitar body, neck, etc. is made and fully assembled in Asia (Japan?).
> They were then shipped to the USA where they were final finished,
> painted, and had all the hardware and electronics added. This
> apparently represented a sufficient percentage of the final value of
> the guitar that they were legally entitled to label it "made in the
> USA". But the woodwork, and to me that *is* the guitar, is not done
> in the USA.
>
Thanks. Regardless of where it's made, it's a smokin' guitar. Better than
any semi-hollow I've owned. Extremely versatile and piano like sound for
jazz, yet it sounds great for rock or fusion too. Here's a clip I just
recorded tonight.
http://www.sheetsofsound.net/audio/mp3/jlhdemo.mp3
thom_j
> Thanks. Regardless of where it's made, it's a smokin' guitar. Better than
> any semi-hollow I've owned. Extremely versatile and piano like sound for
> jazz, yet it sounds great for rock or fusion too. Here's a clip I just
> recorded tonight.
tia.. thom_j.
Jaime Sol
I thought you were endorsing Hofner guitars. How come you decided to buy
the Epiphone rather than the Verythin Classic?
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> Jack,
> I thought you were endorsing Hofner guitars. How come you decided to buy
> the Epiphone rather than the Verythin Classic?
I owned a verythin. It was a beautiful and amazing sounding instrument. Due
to the trapeze tailpiece and floating pickups, it did not have the sustain
of a 335 type guitar. Also, with it's spruce top and spruce block, the
guitar was neck heavy. Since I play standing up a lot of the time, it made
it a chore. In other respects the verythin is fabulous. It sounds more like
an archtop than a solid body.
Jack A. Zucker
It's gotten to the point where I think most folks are pissed at me for one
reason or another so I rarely get comments on any clips I post anymore.
I appreciate you listening.
Jaz
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> By the way, the clips sound great!
I agree!
Greg
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better jazz tone but the JLH has a better fusion and rock tone though.
The biggest detraction of the Hofner verythin is the balance. Neck
heavy. If not for that, it would be my main guitar. It's a fabulous
jazz axe.
Greger Hoel
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Did you ever try one of the Tune-O-Matic maple body Verythins?
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> On 27 Sep 2004 07:33:29 -0700, "j...@jackzucker.com"
> <j...@jackzucker.com> wrote:
>
> >I think I already answered this in part. The hofner probably has a
> >better jazz tone but the JLH has a better fusion and rock tone though.
> >The biggest detraction of the Hofner verythin is the balance. Neck
> >heavy. If not for that, it would be my main guitar. It's a fabulous
> >jazz axe.
>
> Did you ever try one of the Tune-O-Matic maple body Verythins?
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I had one on order for a couple weeks and then something got screwed up and
the order had to be re-done which meant another 2-3 week wait. In the
meantime, someone emailed me to say that they were neck-heavy also and I
ended up cancelling the order. I would assume those guitars would be a
better fusion instrument than the spruce-top ones.
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my query post. I was only being typically curious. I don't want you
to think I was making any 'inference toward your decisions' as they
are yours & solely yours, as they indeed should be.. cheers thom_j.
j...@jackzucker.com
I didn't take it negatively. I hope I didn't come across that way in my
reply. By the way, I apologize for not answering your question about
the pentatonics.
The fingerings you were asking about are from 2.3.1 and 2.4.1
Sorry about the lack of response. I'm getting >500 emails a day
currently.
thom_j
No Jack you never send anything negative my way as even if you
did, I'd just ignore it 8^)'.. Datz tee's philosphy.. Also no worries
on the reply as I am well aware of how bizzy you are.. Thanx for
the info tho'... cheers ole curious tee'. datz me..