Cause of Emily Remler's Death?

[Folkners]

A friend said Emily Remler died from heroin overdose. For some reason I
thought she died of cancer. Anybody know?
Thanks. Pat

[Brandy]

Emily did not die of cancer. Her death was caused either directly, or
indirectly, by drugs, and heroine was indeed her "drug of choice."

B>

Folkners wrote in message <19990601194118...@ng-fh1.aol.com>...

[OASYSCO]

>A friend said Emily Remler died from heroin overdose. For some reason I
>thought she died of cancer. Anybody know?
>Thanks. Pat

From everything I know, she died as a result of a drug problem. Whether it was
a heart problem caused by drugs or just what that actually killed here, I don't
know.

Greg

[Boxcar20]

I think she had leukemia...

anybody know?

[TomLippinc]

>I think she had leukemia...
>
>
>anybody know?
>
>

there seem to be an AWFUL lot of conflicting rumors about this subject in
general. I seem to remember from a while back that a couple of different
people here (who both claimed they had first hand knowledge of the event) even
made completely conflicting claims of what happened. For what it's worth, I
remember hearing from someone at the time that the official cause was a heart
attack and it was suspected to be drug related.

Tom Lippincott

[Willie K. Yee, MD]

Her death was drug related.

I think this newsgroup needs, in addition to a FAQ, a QTWND.

Questions That Would Not Die. This is probably number one.

Folkners wrote:
>
> A friend said Emily Remler died from heroin overdose. For some reason I
> thought she died of cancer. Anybody know?
> Thanks. Pat

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[Clay Moore]

Brandy wrote:
>
> Emily did not die of cancer. Her death was caused either directly, or
> indirectly, by drugs, and heroine was indeed her "drug of choice."

Pardon my pedantry, but a "heroine" is a female hero. Heroin is the
drug.

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[Michael Greene]

Hate to pass rumors, but I was living in NYC at the time (playing
professionally) and people said her death was a bad reaction to cocaine.

Mike

[bill fender]

A player who claims to have been close friends w/ Emily Remler told me that
all but one of the band died of overdose at the same time from a
particularly powerful heroin batch. Can anyone verify, or has anyone else
even heard the same story?

Folkners <folk...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990601194118...@ng-fh1.aol.com...

[paul kirk]

Clay Moore <guita...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<37553A...@earthlink.net>...

> Brandy wrote:
> >
> > Emily did not die of cancer. Her death was caused either directly, or
> > indirectly, by drugs, and heroine was indeed her "drug of choice."
>
> Pardon my pedantry, but a "heroine" is a female hero. Heroin is the
> drug.
>
> --
> Clay Moore http://home.earthlink.net/~guitarbuddy/

yeah, but clay, she was in Australia at the time, so maybe Brandy is
implying
Xena was her drug of choice... just a guess

paul kirk

[Pete Kerezman]

WHY IS THIS SO FARKIN' IMPORTANT ?

Texas Pete
Pete Kerezman (pete...@aol.com)

[RobertH446]

Why don't we talk about her playing instead
This subject has come up about 4 times in the last 2 years.
Lets give it a rest

bob hardy

[Deborah Rice-Cally]

Emily Remler died in Sydney, Australia from a drug overdose. She was using
pick up bands on the road and was travelling by herself, so, no, there was
nobody else in her band involved in this. She was staying at the house of
the bass player she was using in Sydney, and he found her dead in his
bathroom when he woke up the morning after a gig. I was in Australia at the
time and was hanging out with her at a guitar seminar she did and at her
gigs. It was a number of years ago, so I'm afraid I don't remember what the
drug of choice was, all I know was that she died of it.

Mark Cally

bill fender wrote in message <7j4p5t$fne$1...@autumn.news.rcn.net>...

[JFR]

Folkners wrote:
>
> A friend said Emily Remler died from heroin overdose. For some reason I
> thought she died of cancer. Anybody know?
> Thanks. Pat

Right on schedule. This question comes up every 3 months or so on this
newsgroup. Can someone put the answer in a FAQ and may Emily rest in
peace.....

John R>

[TomLippinc]

that is weird that so many people ask about that subject. There are certainly
plenty of other scandalous and tragic stories in the jazz guitar realm; I
wonder why the Emily Remler thing holds such a fascination in particular.

Tom Lippincott

[RICK ROSS]

TomLippinc wrote in message
<19990605040919...@ng-cd1.aol.com>...

I wonder why the Emily Remler thing holds such a fascination in particular.
>

'cause she's a girl...no one inquires this often about male musicians who
punch out from drug use...

[Folkners]

Hey, sorry for bringing up a FAQ. A three month lurking period is a lot to
expect of a newbie, don't ya think? Pat

[Vinyltap]

>I wonder why the Emily Remler
>thing holds such a fascination in
>particular.

I think it's because the story seems to
have been covered up in the press.
I had no idea for years and years that
E.R.'s death had been drug related.
Does anyone remember having read
in the press anywhere at the time
about drug involvement? Or since?
If no one wanted to or wants to tell
the real story publicly about what
happened then there will always
be speculation.

[Dennis O'Neill]

Someone wrote:

> >I wonder why the Emily Remler thing holds such a fascination in
> particular.

Vinyltap wrote:

> I think it's because the story seems to have been covered up in the
> press.
> I had no idea for years and years that E.R.'s death had been drug
> related.
> Does anyone remember having read in the press anywhere at the time
> about drug involvement? Or since? If no one wanted to or wants to
> tell
> the real story publicly about what happened then there will always
> be speculation.

I remember reading at the time about Emily Remler's drug involvement.I
don't think it was a coverup per se, or a case of "no one ... want[ing]
to
tell the real story publicly" so much as it was just another case of a
junkie and
jazz musician checking out, and that's not exactly mainstream news.
That is,
I believe that the real story is that few in the media thought it was
worth reporting.
It's such a shame because Remler had merit.

[Daniel S. Coffey]

Regarding Ms Remler, a mate of mine from Australia who regularly plays the
Asian hotel circuit was in the pick-up band; there seems to be no doubt that
the death was due to a heroin overdose.

"Willie K. Yee, MD" wrote:

> Her death was drug related.
>
> I think this newsgroup needs, in addition to a FAQ, a QTWND.
>
> Questions That Would Not Die. This is probably number one.
>

> Folkners wrote:
> >
> > A friend said Emily Remler died from heroin overdose. For some reason I
> > thought she died of cancer. Anybody know?
> > Thanks. Pat
>

[JFR]

TomLippinc wrote:
>
> >
> >Folkners wrote:
> >>
> >> A friend said Emily Remler died from heroin overdose. For some reason I
> >> thought she died of cancer. Anybody know?
> >> Thanks. Pat
> >
> >

> >Right on schedule. This question comes up every 3 months or so on this
> >newsgroup. Can someone put the answer in a FAQ and may Emily rest in
> >peace.....
> >
> >John R>
>
> that is weird that so many people ask about that subject. There are certainly

> plenty of other scandalous and tragic stories in the jazz guitar realm; I

> wonder why the Emily Remler thing holds such a fascination in particular.
>

> Tom Lippincott

Yeah, no kidding. How many times does this have to be discussed? Let
her rest in peace and put all the sensationalized details in a faq
somewhere. The drugs and jazz combo seems to still be romanticized a
lot. Maybe we should start some rumors about some great jazz
guitarists to help boost their record sales.

John R>

[JFR]

RICK ROSS wrote:
>
> TomLippinc wrote in message
> <19990605040919...@ng-cd1.aol.com>...
>

> I wonder why the Emily Remler thing holds such a fascination in particular.
> >
>

> 'cause she's a girl...no one inquires this often about male musicians who
> punch out from drug use...

Nah, I still think drugs are still a focal point for lots of people when
discussing famous jazz musicians.

Did you see the movie "Bird"? If someone did not know any better, they
would just be left with the impression of what a junkie/alchie he was
and have no idea of Parker's genius. These things get way over-hyped,
IMNSHO. But, the drug connection probably also helps record sales so
the media loves to hype it.

JohnR>

[Wesley Clark Dick]

On Mon, 07 Jun 1999 07:08:32 -0700, JFR <jre...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> Maybe we should start some rumors about some great jazz
>guitarists to help boost their record sales.

Like the story of Chet Atkins being interviewed by a radio disk jockey
who asked Chet how things were going for openers.

"Pretty good since I've given up drugs." said Chet.

"Chet, I've known you for years and I know for a fact that you've
never used drugs. What are you talking about?"

"Well," replied Chet. "It seems that everybody that goes public and
confesses to kicking the habit makes a big comeback. I'm in need of
one about now."

[mo...@hotmail.com]

I've never posted anything to this group before but here goes. I understand that many of you are long time regulars and I also understand that you might be tired of seeing a dead (sorry) horse issue brought up again and again. But it's the internet, it's a newsgroup and a free exchange etc. I'm not trying to anger anyone so please don't take this as an attack. (And I also hated the film Bird because it focused on drug abuse and not the creation and innovation and influence of Bird's music.) But in addition to being a guitar player I'm also a recovering alcoholic and drug addict and I have to say that my opinion is that whenever anyone of even limited fame dies because of drugs the truth about the cause of death should be made as public as possible. By all means put it in a FAQ but also let people freely discuss it when the subject comes up. (If the thread doesn't interest you then just skip it.) It may seem a little off the subject but where else than here might someone post the question?

Just my opinion.
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[JFR]

Daniel S. Coffey wrote:
>
> Regarding Ms Remler, a mate of mine from Australia who regularly plays the
> Asian hotel circuit was in the pick-up band; there seems to be no doubt that
> the death was due to a heroin overdose.
>
> "Willie K. Yee, MD" wrote:
>
> > Her death was drug related.
> >
> > I think this newsgroup needs, in addition to a FAQ, a QTWND.
> >
> > Questions That Would Not Die. This is probably number one.
> >

> > Folkners wrote:
> > >
> > > A friend said Emily Remler died from heroin overdose. For some reason I
> > > thought she died of cancer. Anybody know?
> > > Thanks. Pat
> >

> > --
> >
> >
> > Willie Kai Yee, M.D.
> > Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry
> >
> > wy...@mhv.net
> > http://www1.mhv.net/~wyee/index.html
> >
> > 21 Tricor Ave.
> > New Paltz, NY 12561
> > (914) 255-0660
> >
> > "We are the Universe trying to understand itself."
> > -- Minbari saying --

Thanks for the details for the nth time. Can someone please ask the
question again soon? ;^)

Seriously, though, could Chip or someone put this in the FAQ?

Thanks.
John R>

[scooter]

Hi guys.
I am getting a bit sick of this FAQ, so hopefully this should end it. She
died from a drug overdose the night before she was to play at the Kiama Jazz
festival. I know the jazz club president whose place she was staying at.

JFR wrote in message <37611C...@ix.netcom.com>...

[Diane Hubka]

scooter wrote:
>
> Hi guys.
> I am getting a bit sick of this FAQ, so hopefully this should end it.

I'm sure part of the mystique surrounding Emily's death is due to her
being so young, so beautiful and so talented. And rare in that she was a
woman jazz musician whose playing was regarded as high as any master -
male or female - in jazz.

She was and always will be an inspiration to me.

_________________________________________

Diane Hubka
New York, NY USA
E-mail: dhu...@mindspring.com
Website: http://www.mindspring.com/~dhubka

[armage...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, June 1, 1999 9:00:00 AM UTC+2, Folkners wrote:
> A friend said Emily Remler died from heroin overdose. For some reason I
> thought she died of cancer. Anybody know?
> Thanks. Pat

overdose seem a probable cause

[michael]

WOW...

...You resurrected a 15 year old thread to say something everyone in this newsgroup already knows.

[sbgt...@yahoo.com]

On Tuesday, June 1, 1999 3:00:00 AM UTC-4, Folkners wrote:
> A friend said Emily Remler died from heroin overdose. For some reason I
> thought she died of cancer. Anybody know?
> Thanks. Pat

What might be just as annoying as bringing up the topic is those that refer to a 33 year old woman as a "girl guitarist" - you'd think by that age she could be a full grown adult - or how about just a great guitar/composer/educator?
SB

[thomas]

On Monday, September 22, 2014 5:28:36 PM UTC-4, sbgt...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> What might be just as annoying as bringing up the topic is those that refer to a 33 year old woman as a "girl guitarist" - you'd think by that age she could be a full grown adult - or how about just a great guitar/composer/educator?
>

Interesting observation. No question Remler was an excellent jazz guitarist. Is there any question that her career was helped by the novelty of her gender, and that this contributed to the unfortunate terminology? Observe that the term was used back in 1999, before you and Mimi Fox came into national prominence. I would hope that it's less common today.

[Tim McNamara]

Those of us of the male persuasion probably do not see many of the very
real barriers that women run into all the time. Emily was a fine
guitarist (her latin/bossa playing was particularly good) but in some of
her videos and interviews she made it clear that the novelty of her
gender- although is it a novelty when a bit more than half of the people
on the planet are of that gender?- hindered rather than helped her
career. I'd be delighted to play half as well as Emily, or Sheryl or
Mimi or Mary Osborne or...

If you've missed it, have a listen to Emma Watson's United Nations
speech about gender equality... and then read some of the articles on
the immediate despicable backlash including threats to post stolen
intimate photos to the internet. Sexual intimidation and shaming of
women who speak out occurs in every society all over the world.

"You either believe women are people or you don't. It's that simple." -
Joss Whedon

[thomas]

On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:16:10 AM UTC-4, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> Those of us of the male persuasion probably do not see many of the very
> real barriers that women run into all the time. Emily was a fine
> guitarist (her latin/bossa playing was particularly good) but in some of her videos and interviews she made it clear that the novelty of her
> gender- although is it a novelty when a bit more than half of the people on the planet are of that gender?- hindered rather than helped her
> career.

I can imagine that gender could have cut both ways, helping in some circumstances, hindering in others. I was at McCabes for Emily's first LA concert in 1981 or so when her first album had just come out. She played with a local pickup band of first rate studio players. She sounded okay, not great, a little outclassed by her band. I heard much better music from her later on as she developed. But the place was sold out, with a lot of the local name players turning out to hear the new, cute girl guitarist. I remember meeting Tommy Tedesco for the first time at that show. Would she have gotten the same attention if she was ugly, or if she were a 24-year-old man who played okay but not great and had only just put out his first record? Who knows.

[Tony Done]

On balance, I think being female may be an advantage in many aspects of
the performing arts. Leaving the very big names aside, I certainly
remember players like Badi Assad, Cindy Cashdollar and Rory Block as
standing out from the crowd, and I'm sure it is gender-related. <g> But
that could be just me.

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[Tim McNamara]

On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:06:14 +1000, Tony Done <tony...@bigpond.com>
wrote:

I don't know Badi Assad, but both Cindy Cashdollar and Rory Block can
kick ass at what they do without reference to gender. They'd stand out
from the crowd if they were men with the same musical abilities.

I am amazed and somewhat disheartened that this is part of a discussion
in the 21st century. It's quite a commentary on American and world
society- not necessarily thomas or Tony per se, but the world at large
including me. It's not just the Malalas of the world who face unfair
barriers from backwards, retro-Neanderthals who will happily kill them
to keep them in their places; it's a different bad when it's pernicious
and subtle in the company of well-educated modern people.

[thomas]

Remember that Emily came on the national scene in 1981. I would hope that some progress has been made since then.

[Gerry]

Tony Done <tony...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> On 9/25/2014 4:55 AM, thomas wrote:



> On balance, I think being female may be an advantage in many aspects of
> the performing arts.

Once they are at the top of the heap, I imagine it becomes much easier. I'm
not sure the average aspects of everyday sexism makes easy to get up the
top of the heap, though.

> Leaving the very big names aside, I certainly
> remember players like Badi Assad, Cindy Cashdollar and Rory Block as
> standing out from the crowd, and I'm sure it is gender-related. <g> But
> that could be just me.

I'm not sure but it seems you're saying that being cute and sexy helps
their popularity. I'm sure you're right, and that similarly other capable
women musicians can't or won't leverage their sexuality as a component of
*what they are selling*. I thought that was the nub of the discussion.



--
Dogmatism kills jazz. Iconoclasm kills rock. Rock dulls scissors.

[Tony Done]

On 9/26/2014 12:25 AM, Gerry wrote:

> I'm not sure but it seems you're saying that being cute and sexy helps
> their popularity. I'm sure you're right, and that similarly other capable
> women musicians can't or won't leverage their sexuality as a component of
> *what they are selling*. I thought that was the nub of the discussion.
>
>
>

That's part of it, but it is simplifying it. Part of what they are
selling is just being female, but I personally don't see it in terms of
cute and sexy in a more popular sense. <g> Miley Cyrus does nothing for
me.I think the gender effect is a near-universal, and I really don't
think it is possible to divorce it from live performance even if the
performer wants to. And why should he/she? Equating gender equality with
sameness is a nonsense, IMO.

[Tim McNamara]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:35:02 -0700 (PDT), thomas
<drthoma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Remember that Emily came on the national scene in 1981. I would hope
> that some progress has been made since then.

I hope so but I am not really in a position to know. And I work in a
field where the majority of my colleagues are female and every bit as
competent and often more so than the men, so my direct experience may be
non-representative.

[SB]

On Saturday, June 5, 1999 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, Folkners wrote:
> Hey, sorry for bringing up a FAQ. A three month lurking period is a lot to
> expect of a newbie, don't ya think? Pat

Nah. I have been lurking for 4 years before speaking up. I am a beginner and this is a great place to sit back and learn some of the time from experienced players like TD, Joey G., Gerry, rpjazzguitar, Lord Valve, Mark K, and Deacon Mark, and so many others. Even maestro Jimmy Bruno posts here from time to time. It is a great place to just lurk behind the scenes. Flame wars are common and who needs the drama of affliction?. Otherwise a great place to share info.

[pbac...@gmail.com]

Emily Remler performed at WAAPA during that ill-fated 1990 Australian Tour. I saw her perform live there as I was a jazz guitar student in my first year in 1990. Her playing was inspirational, but the way she moved around the stage was peculiar to me - maybe because she was just into the music, or high, or hungover, or whatever, but you couldn't tell from her playing because it was beautiful.

[pbac...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 5, 2015 at 1:56:52 AM UTC+8, pbac...@gmail.com wrote:
> Emily Remler performed at WAAPA during that ill-fated 1990 Australian Tour. I saw her perform live there as I was a jazz guitar student in my first year in 1990. Her playing was inspirational, but the way she moved around the stage was peculiar to me - maybe because she was just into the music, or high, or hungover, or whatever, but you couldn't tell from her playing because it was beautiful.

Then later that year my guitar tutor told me that she'd died in Sydney. I was shocked, but then bad batches of Heroin have tragically taken many young lives, most of them unknown to us.

[ott...@hotmail.com]

On Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-4, Clay Moore wrote:
> Brandy wrote:
> >
> > Emily did not die of cancer. Her death was caused either directly, or
> > indirectly, by drugs, and heroine was indeed her "drug of choice."
>
> Pardon my pedantry, but a "heroine" is a female hero. Heroin is the
> drug.
>
> --
> Clay Moore http://home.earthlink.net/~guitarbuddy/
>
Yup, she was a guitar heroine who died a heroin related death.
Bg

[Docbop]

Why do people keep reopening this old thread.

Emily was a great guitarist who died too soon, go enjoy the music we have to remember her by.

[Tim McNamara]

On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 15:06:41 -0700 (PDT), Docbop <doc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Why do people keep reopening this old thread.
>
> Emily was a great guitarist who died too soon, go enjoy the music we
> have to remember her by.

Well, the thread keeps getting reopened because she was a wonderful,
talented and dedicated jazz muscian. And the death due to heroin comes
up because it was how she died- tragically in the grip of an addiction
that has destroyed so many lives (although not as many as alcohol and
tobacco).

[satur...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, 1 June 1999 01:00:00 UTC-6, Folkners wrote:
> A friend said Emily Remler died from heroin overdose. For some reason I
> thought she died of cancer. Anybody know?
> Thanks. Pat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Remler

[WVNicholson]

I just noticed the original post is rather old (1999!). Of course, the wikipedia page states that Emily Remler died of heart failure and this is probably related to her use of opiates (which included heroin and dilaudid). I would guess the original poster was mixing Emily Remler up with another female guitarist Eva Cassidy who played some jazz and also died early. Eva Cassidy did die of cancer,

William

[richard.fi...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 5:00:00 PM UTC+10, Folkners wrote:
> A friend said Emily Remler died from heroin overdose. For some reason I
> thought she died of cancer. Anybody know?
> Thanks. Pat

she died while on tour in Sydney aust,supposedly a heart attack, but I have heard that it was really a heroin overdose, and I suspect that it was an OD, she was at the Sydney home of bass player ed gaston………..doesn't sound like cancer was involved

[richard.fi...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 5:00:00 PM UTC+10, Folkners wrote:
> A friend said Emily Remler died from heroin overdose. For some reason I
> thought she died of cancer. Anybody know?
> Thanks. Pat

I had never heard of her until that OZ tour, but I saw the article in the newspaper after she died, and because she was so young and brilliant,it caused me to become interested in her music, since then I got more into jazz, went back and listened again to her fine playing.there is a clip on the net of her on "the ray martin show" an old OZ variety show, during that ill-fated tour.

[Tony DeCaprio]

OD. Was with bad people. Big loss.