Kicking around getting a jazz-only amp
oasysco
looking for include:
* fairly lightweight - (40lbs or less, preferably 30 or less)
* medium wattage 30-90W
* recording/direct out/effects loop send that doesn't mute the speaker,
perferably carries the wet amp tone
* up to $500, perferably less
* prefer all-in-one combo with 1-12" speaker or 2-10" speakers; no
heads with cabs
* tubes or SS doesn't matter
* mostly home use; possible use on very small gigs (I hope; one day
anway)
Amps I'm considering:
* new Fender Deluxe Stage 90 w/DSP
* new Roland Cube 30 (or 60) w/DSP
* used Fender Princeton Chorus with or w/out DSP
Amps I've excluded:
* Evans
* Clarus
* Tube amps without a direct out/effects loop send fo recording
* amps costing > $500
Any others I should be looking at?
Thanks,
Greg
Steven Rosenberg
http://www.carvin.com/products/group.php?CID=SX
As I posted in another thread, Steve Masakowski reported using these in
JJG.
I am pretty sure these, with 100 watts, will sound better than a Cube,
and they are cheaper.
jsea...@csc.cps.k12.il.us
Ultrasound. I have one of their 50-watters; beautiful sound, quiet,
lightweight. Not overwhelming power, but you should looke at them.
Derek
made. What about the new Fender Jazz amp Greg?
steinbergerstyler
kjs
Derek wrote:
> I would second the Carvin suggestion. Their products are very well
> made. What about the new Fender Jazz amp Greg?
That one has me gassing a little bit too, but it's like a grand with
the cabinet.
RickH
I auditioned a tube amp (2-6L6) a month ago that I thought has a really
nice clean tone and that is the Kustom 36 Coupe. If I wasn't waiting
to get more info on this new Fender head then I could be tempted on
that Kustom. It's built like a brick shit house, and has the DI you
want, it was very responsive and able to play clean, has speakers that
are essentially copies of those JBL's with aluminum dust caps.
I play, (dont own), a Peavy Transtube at church that can dial in a jazz
tone, but it has so many other bells and whistles that it's not for me,
if you can overlook all the other dials they are a bargain and well
built. Theres the Bandit Transtube, or the 2-12 which I use.
http://www.kustom.com/support/manuals/36-72Coupe_OwnersManual_DEC2005.pdf
I'm lookin for an amp too, but I am holding out to get more info on the
new Fender Ultralight. But I like a separate head because I have a
fair number of speaker cabs to use it with, and have a special need for
a mic input for my acoustic when doing wedding ceremonies.
Sorry cant help more but you already eliminated a few I was going to
suggest.
Keith Freeman
Don't forget, Greg, that a tube amp of a particular rating will be louder
than a SS one of the same rating. I don't know what the equivalence factor
is - something like 30W tube = 50 or 60W transistor? Also a larger speaker
is more efficient than a small one, with the same power going into it.
-Keith
Portable Changes, tips etc. at http://home.wanadoo.nl/keith.freeman/
e-mail only to keith DOT freeman AT wanadoo DOT nl
GregD
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> I would second the Carvin suggestion. Their products are very well
> made. What about the new Fender Jazz amp Greg?
>
>
I don't want a head and cab, Derek, if that's the one you are talking
about.
Greg
LarryV
heavy side at 60lbs. Might have to check one of those out in the
future.
jazzgeetar
Didn't you just get a Fender Cyber Champ? As I think you know I just
got a Roland Cube 60 and am very happy with it so far using it direct
with my laptop, Band In A Box, and mixer for jamming and recording.
Hopefully I'll post some mp3s soon. I haven't tried it in a band
situation yet, but will, and expect it to be good for small-medium jazz
jams/gigs (unless you're playing with a loud b3 or something). And I
like it better than both the Pod and Tech 21 TM30 I both used to have
for home use.
So I own two amps that might fit your bill...
Roland Cube 60:
Has recording/headphone out that does mute speaker
Has line out that does not mute speaker
Has a bunch of DSP stuff
No effects loop
$345 new
Carvin Nomad:
Tweed 1x12 50 watt tube combo w/tube driven spring reverb
Has direct out that does not mute speaker
Has effects loop
$499 new (I bought mine used ~6 years ago now, on ebay)
If/when I start doing jazz gigs, I might look into a JC120 or the new
Fender Jazzmaster Ultralight like Rick mentioned.
-Dan
GregD
news:1138147801.4...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> how goes it Greg...
>
> Didn't you just get a Fender Cyber Champ?
Dan, I sent it back. I jsut didn't care for the lack of control. You
have to hook it up to a PC via MIDI and then be an expert at MIDI just
to change this like Chorus speed. I didn't care for the sound all that
much after using it for several days.
That makes about 4 or 5 calls for Cafvin in this thread.
Thanks,
Greg
>
> -Dan
>
>
Jeff Lange
>than a SS one of the same rating.
Bullshit: Power is power. Sorry, but I am tired of the myth. There is no
electronic difference between SS and tube power. Power = Voltage X Current
= Current squared X resistance (impedance). A test meter doesn't know the
difference between tubes and SS.
Most tube amps appear louder because the circuitry is so non-linear that
when (with a Fender for example) the volume dial is at 3 on a tube amp, you
are at or near maximum output. Volume and tone is a function of the
circuitry, speaker and cabinet design. Signals will respond differently to
tube and SS amplification but power is power.
Greg, I am also a Carvin fan, but don't tell anybody.
Jeff Lange
www.JazzSelect.com
"Keith Freeman" <smtp.cablewanadoo.nl> wrote in message
news:Xns975635D135B4ke...@194.134.69.69...
Winston Castro
wrote:
>>Don't forget, Greg, that a tube amp of a particular rating will be louder
>>than a SS one of the same rating.
>
>Bullshit: Power is power. Sorry, but I am tired of the myth. There is no
>electronic difference between SS and tube power. Power = Voltage X Current
>= Current squared X resistance (impedance). A test meter doesn't know the
>difference between tubes and SS.
>
>Most tube amps appear louder because the circuitry is so non-linear that
>when (with a Fender for example) the volume dial is at 3 on a tube amp, you
>are at or near maximum output. Volume and tone is a function of the
>circuitry, speaker and cabinet design. Signals will respond differently to
>tube and SS amplification but power is power.
>
>Greg, I am also a Carvin fan, but don't tell anybody.
>
>Jeff Lange
>www.JazzSelect.com
>
I owned a Carvin guitar early in my playing days. Basically
somewhat of an LP rip-off in styling, that model has long been
discontinued.
Damn that thing played sweet though, for a rock type guitar. The
action was low with no string buzz, and it had a very solid feel to
it.
I had to sell it during some rough financial times many moons ago, I
wish I still had it. Would have been about a 1979 model, I had bought
it new.
It was the second electric guitar I owned. My first, being a used
Hagstrum.
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because he lives on the other side of the water, and because his ruler has
quarrel with mine, although I have none with him?
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LarryV
Norm K
jazz
tone, but it has so many other bells and whistles that it's not for me,
if you can overlook all the other dials they are a bargain and well
built. Theres the Bandit Transtube, or the 2-12 which I use."
I own a Peavey Transtube Studio Pro II (1 x 12") that I like a whole
lot. I also have a non-DSP Fender PC but I gig with the Peavey. It's
a 65 watt combo (louder than the 2 x 25 watt PC), weighs less than 40
lbs and is tougher than a Humvee's mother-in-law.And they're cheap.
Bandits are a little more expensive and have 80/100 watts. I don't
know about bells and whistles on the amp RichH uses but my Studio Pro
is pretty vanilla except for one knob that controls the transtube
effect. It sounds great with my Sweet 16 or 165. Plenty of headroom.
Norm
Pt
> Ultrasound. I have one of their 50-watters; beautiful sound, quiet,
>lightweight. Not overwhelming power, but you should looke at them.
Do you still have your Marshall?
Pt
Pt
>"jazzgeetar" <jazzg...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:1138147801.4...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> how goes it Greg...
>>
>> Didn't you just get a Fender Cyber Champ?
>
>Dan, I sent it back. I jsut didn't care for the lack of control. You
>have to hook it up to a PC via MIDI and then be an expert at MIDI just
>to change this like Chorus speed. I didn't care for the sound all that
>much after using it for several days.
Do you keep anything you buy?
Pt
Starcaster
amp" are really contradictory. Beyond reverb there just isn't a need
for anything else besides warm, clean tone, decent power, and light
weight.
I'm a fan of Fender tube amps. A silverface Princeton Reverb, or RI
Deluxe Reverb would fit the bill. On the other side, there are several
amps designed for acoustic guitar that are really excellent for
amplifying jazz archtops. The Roland AC-60 comes to mind. It's
stereo, has a mic channel, and does have bells and whistles - but they
refreshingly do not get in the way of its clean tone. Sounds great -
read the reviews on HC.
Roger
GregD
news:l7odt1hu7qhnhtrde...@4ax.com:
Yup, I kept my 175, a Fender acoustasonic amp from several years back, a
DRII I bought some time ago, a 135LE I've had for 3 or 4 years and used to
gig with and a Tacoma flattop I bought a couple of years back.
Greg
Norm K
million jazz guitarists sound great through a DRII. Sounds to me like
you should stop looking, pick one and dial it in.
Norm
GregD
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
Norm,
The problem with the AJR is thta the tweeter overdrives at anything but low
volume, though the AJR does sound great. I think JB used the APre after he
figured the AJR was little underpowered for his needs. My DRII is
collectible. So while I use the dRII, I try not to overuse it. I don't like
to take it out of the house if I don't have to, plus it really sounds
better with a pedal as that tube spring reverb is really too much for my
tastes.
Greg
Pt
wrote:
> Beyond reverb there just isn't a need
>for anything else besides warm, clean tone, decent power, and light
>weight.
Is this an oxymoron?
Pt
Bill Williams
lightweight.
Well that's reassuring for me - I've got their 100-watt model winging
its way to me right now. I decided to order it from the UK on the basis
of reviews and samples on the web
http://littlebrother.nlpd.com/UltraSoundPro200/ but without being
able to check one out personally (no specialist jazz guitar/amp
retailers in Portugal or Spain AFAIK) .
Bill Williams
LarryV
good jazz tone imho.
A good reverb is nice for a little depth. My signal path is
guitar->Barber Burn Unit->amp.
I have a VerbZilla in the effects loop. We do a lot of funk/blues as
well, so the Barber BU is handy for getting Larry Carlton type tones.
art...@invalid.co.uk.invalid
"Jeff Lange" <Je...@JazzSelect.net> wrote:
Not more powerful but louder.
Its not that tube power is different from SS power in some way that
transcends physics. Tube amps can go louder because you can overload
them more than SS amps before you start to notice the distortion.
Remember that guitar tone is not at a constant level but contains
transient peaks that will clip the amp before the average level
reaches full output. Generally speaking, tube output stages clip with
a smoother edge to the waveform than SS amps so that the distortion
produced is less noticeable. Thus the tube amp can be run (with the
output stage clipping) at a higher power level with guitar tone than
can a SS amp, so it does sound louder.
A similar trick is used by AM radio stations. The peaks of the
programme are constrained (in this case by a peak limiter), which
allows a higher level of modulation and increased loudness for the
same transmitter power.
Arthur
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LarryV
http://mysite.verizon.net/jazz.guitar/Crate_Amp.jpg
Actually, that might be better for PT ;)
Tom Walls
wilder...@yahoo.com says...
> I'm looking into a new amp to use for jazz... several things I'm
> looking for include:
>
> * fairly lightweight - (40lbs or less, preferably 30 or less)
> * medium wattage 30-90W
> * recording/direct out/effects loop send that doesn't mute the speaker,
> perferably carries the wet amp tone
> * up to $500, perferably less
> * prefer all-in-one combo with 1-12" speaker or 2-10" speakers; no
> heads with cabs
> * tubes or SS doesn't matter
> * mostly home use; possible use on very small gigs (I hope; one day
> anway)
>
> Amps I'm considering:
>
> * new Fender Deluxe Stage 90 w/DSP
> * new Roland Cube 30 (or 60) w/DSP
> * used Fender Princeton Chorus with or w/out DSP
>
> Amps I've excluded:
>
> * Evans
> * Clarus
> * Tube amps without a direct out/effects loop send fo recording
> * amps costing > $500
>
> Any others I should be looking at?
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
>
with no speaker that I could let you have for $60 plus shipping. Too
cheap for your tastes?
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
Pt
wrote:
>>Don't forget, Greg, that a tube amp of a particular rating will be louder
>>than a SS one of the same rating.
>
>Bullshit: Power is power. Sorry, but I am tired of the myth. There is no
>electronic difference between SS and tube power. Power = Voltage X Current
>= Current squared X resistance (impedance). A test meter doesn't know the
>difference between tubes and SS.
Would you say that an Ampeg 350 watt tube SVT bass amp puts out equal
volume to a 350 watt SS bass amp?
Pt
Greger Hoel
>The problem with the AJR is thta the tweeter overdrives at anything but low
>volume,
Yank out the tweeter cord then. Electric guitars ain't s'posed to have
full range sound anyway :P
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Pt
<gre...@spammersgetbent.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:21:39 GMT, GregD <Your...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>The problem with the AJR is thta the tweeter overdrives at anything but low
>>volume,
>
>Yank out the tweeter cord then. Electric guitars ain't s'posed to have
>full range sound anyway :P
You could install a switch to turn the tweeter off/on.
Many bass cabs have this.
Pt
Pt
>Hey Greg, how about this one:
>
>http://mysite.verizon.net/jazz.guitar/Crate_Amp.jpg
>
>Actually, that might be better for PT ;)
Haha!
I love it.
Pt
jsea...@csc.cps.k12.il.us
has been replaced by an Evans JE200.
jsea...@csc.cps.k12.il.us
lightweight.
Bill Williams
After my backbuster Marshall died, I was actually intending to buy a
Polytone, but I went to Guitar Works, in Evanston, Ill., and they carry
Ultrasounds. I tried one against the Polytone, and it was the winner.
The 100 should have a better time with drums, horns, keyboards, etc.
hogging the airways; that's the only drawback to the 50.
RickH
And that's the ultralight version.
Starcaster
> Roger, I agree totally. Bells and whistles simply get in the way of
> good jazz tone imho.
I would not consider anything with the words "modeling," "presets," or
"cyber" in their moniker. And I am not a strict retro sort by any
means. I like gadgets too, but not for classic jazz guitar tone.
Fusion is another story.
Barber Burn Unit, eh? Hmmm... (off to Harmony Central)
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
>Hey Greg, how about this one:
>
>http://mysite.verizon.net/jazz.guitar/Crate_Amp.jpg
Oh yeah, I use one of those as a practice amp.
Your pal,
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
LarryV
clarity.
More info here: http://www.barberelectronics.com/burnunit.html
Personally, I love it.
RickH
After reading some of the posts for Carvin here, I thought I'd take a
look at them for the first time. Well, I dont know how they sound, but
I was floored by what appears to be an amazing variety of amps at what
also appears to be excellent value. The prices are less than kit amps
with poorer specs. So many choices and variety there. Wonder how they
sound?
Pt
<pass...@windcrestsoftware.com> wrote:
>After reading some of the posts for Carvin here, I thought I'd take a
>look at them for the first time. Well, I dont know how they sound, but
>I was floored by what appears to be an amazing variety of amps at what
>also appears to be excellent value. The prices are less than kit amps
>with poorer specs. So many choices and variety there. Wonder how they
>sound?
I like the Carvin Nomad.
Pt
dunlop212
checklist pretty closely. Immaculate ones can be had used for around
$600.
One goofy idea I have considered in the past, but never got around to
trying, would be the Peavey Nashville 112:
http://www.peaveymag.net/productdetails-dealer-14096-prodid-338.aspx,
which also covers your checklist pretty well (steel players and jazz
players have similar amp needs, I think; power, light weight, EQ,
reverb).
Tone
reverb)
Bingo!
Evans was a "steel" amp till it was bought by the current owner who
recognized exactly what you said above. They may have made some slight
tweaks but its basically the same amp that steel players were playing
for years. I don't know about that new Peavey though, it might be a
little lacking in the power dept. I had an Evans steel amp and it was
200 watts. 40 lbs w/a 15, and it sounded great.
jazzgeetar
Yea, I love my Carvin Nomad. It's a straight forward amp really. The
clean channel gets great cleans. Its 50 watts gives it decent headroom
for jazz depending on your needs. The dirty channel can get good dirt
if thats something you want (think Zeppelin type drive), so it's
versatile enough for jazz, rock, and in between. There's also the 2x12
version called the Belair. And I also have 1x12 Vintage 16 as well
which is switchable between 16/5 watts and have used it for small jazz
jams but has little headroom obviously. Carvin in general is a good
value mainly because they only sell direct. I have some clips of mine I
can share, but they're from my rock/funk band so it won't give you a
feel for its jazz tone.
In rehearsal last nite, I was getting some rattle from what I think is
one or two of clips holding the tubes. I gotta get some time and an
extra hand to help me figure out what clip or tube or whatever is
vibrating when I push it. The speaker is close to the tubes and
probably is the cause. Especially since we're doing some more recording
in march. I've gone through a bunch of amps through the years, but have
been using this one regularly for ~6 years now.
-Dan