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Alex

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Aug 27, 2007, 9:57:04 PM8/27/07
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On Aug 27, 8:37 pm, sg...@hotmail.com wrote:
> You can tell my two month summer vacation is about to end when I start
> making posts like this.
>
> Well, let's face it, most of us are aging baby-boomers who grew up on
> this stuff, which was manufactured for our braindead society by TV
> producers who just wanted a few more yachts and mansions for their
> families.
>
> At the same time, this created a shitload of work for a lot of
> musicians who were able to make a damn good living playing studio
> dates like these.
>
> Too bad synthesizers had to come along and wipe out all those jobs.
> Anyway, here are jazz guitarists who played on Monkees records:
>
> Dennis Budimir
> Al Casey(!)
> Al Gafa(!)
> Lowell George (maybe not a real jazz guitarist)
> Al Gorgoni (he played on the first BS&T album on the Bossa Nova by
> Nilsson "Without Her")
> Al Hendrickson
> Hugh McCracken
> Bill Pitman
> Howard Roberts (yeah, I know you knew he was gonna be one of them)
> Tommy Tedesco (him, too)
>
> But why stop there?
> Here are some other jazz and non-jazz musicians who also helped the
> "new generation" that had "something to say":
>
> Chuck Berghofer (bass)
> Ray Brown (!) (bass)
> Larry Bunker (perc.)
> Glen Campbell (guitar)
> Pete and Conte Candoli (trumpets)
> Ry Cooder (guitar)
> David Crosby(Mr. "Counterculture") (guitar)
> Stephen Stills (same as above)
> Neil Young (same as above)
> Victor Feldman (perc.)
> Red Mitchell (bass)
> Buddy Miles (drums)
> Harry Nilsson (piano)
> Al Porcino (trpt.)
> Seldon Powell (saxophone)
> Billy Preston (keyboard)
> Mac Rebennak a.k.a. Dr. John the night tripper) (keyboard)
> Frank Rosolino (trombone)
> Jimmy Rowles (keyboard)
> Leon Russell (keyboard)
> Bud Shank (woodwinds)
> Louis Shelton (he was listed as the guy that played that great
> flamenco thing on "Valerie") (guitar)


Seems like Barney Kessel is a glaring omission in your list. :-)

tomb...@jhu.edu

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Aug 27, 2007, 10:16:46 PM8/27/07
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Is Hugh McCracken any relation to Phil?


Joey Goldstein

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Aug 27, 2007, 10:21:02 PM8/27/07
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I absolutely loved the Monkees when I was a kid.
I had the shirts and the Mike Nesmith hat and the big belt buckles.
It became sort of demeaning to admit that in public at some point.

But it looks like I had great taste in musicians even back then. I just
didn't know who they actually were.

BTW
I'm pretty sure, assuming my childhood memories are in tact, that the
first time I saw Hendrix play was when he was on tour as the *opening
act* for the Monkees in 1967.
Does anyone out there know for sure if Jimi made it as far as the
Toronto date on that tour? Hendrix was let go pretty early into the
tour. But I'm pretty sure that's the show I saw, at Maple Leaf Gardens.

I think I saw Hendrix again at the Gardens in 69, the year he was busted
for drugs in Toronto. I remember he was quite late but that the show
went on as scheduled. I forget who opened for him that time. The Trogs
maybe?

--
Joey Goldstein
http://www.joeygoldstein.com
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/joeygoldstein
joegold AT sympatico DOT ca

Gerry

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Aug 27, 2007, 10:58:41 PM8/27/07
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On 2007-08-27 19:21:02 -0700, Joey Goldstein <nos...@nowhere.net> said:

> I absolutely loved the Monkees when I was a kid.
> I had the shirts and the Mike Nesmith hat and the big belt buckles.
> It became sort of demeaning to admit that in public at some point.

Maybe it was a Canadian thing. Lorne Lofsky does an encanting reading
of "Daydream Believer". Back in the day it was a "secret pleasure" that
I enjoyed that tune. I could admit it to none of the pimply-faced
"blues man" crew I was hanging with.

--
///---

Morey Richman

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Aug 27, 2007, 11:42:03 PM8/27/07
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"Joey > Does anyone out there know for sure if Jimi made it as far as the

> Toronto date on that tour? Hendrix was let go pretty early into the tour.
> But I'm pretty sure that's the show I saw, at Maple Leaf Gardens.
>
> I think I saw Hendrix again at the Gardens in 69, the year he was busted
> for drugs in Toronto. I remember he was quite late but that the show went
> on as scheduled. I forget who opened for him that time. The Trogs maybe?
>

I don't think Hendrix played Toronto opening for the Monkees in '67 although
he did open for them in the US of course - I do think I remember Hendrix
playing the CNE opening for the Soft Machine in Toronto in '68. I thought he
headlined at the Gardens in '69.


Rick Ross

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Aug 28, 2007, 8:24:30 AM8/28/07
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wasn't carol kaye in this mix?
here's her list (excerpt from her site)
Drums: Hal Blaine, Earl Palmer, Sharkey Hall, Jesse Sailes, John Guerin,
Paul Humphrey, Panama Francis, Shelly Manne, Alvin Stoller, Irv Cottler, Jim
Keltner, Louis Bellson, Ed Thigpen, Jake Hanna, Ed Shaughnessey, Jeff
Porcaro, Nick Ceroli, Harold Jones, Mel Lewis, Larry Bunker, James Gadson,
Charley Blackwell, Ed Greene, Ron Tutt, Jack Sperling, Frankie Capp, Jackie
Mills, Harvey Mason, Sol Gubin, Cubby O'Brien, Jim Gordon.

Percussion: Gene Estes, Gary Coleman, Emil Richards, Julius Wechter, Joe
Porcaro, Lou Singer, Jerry Williams, Victor Feldman, Lauder, Milt Holland,
Bobbye Hall, Jack Lord, Alan Estes, Kenny Watson, Jack Arnold, Frank Flynn,
Tommy Vig, Dale Anderson, Jerry Steinholtz, Larry Bunker.

Guitar: Rene Hall, Howard Roberts, Bud Coleman, Tommy Tedesco, Barney
Kessel, Tony Rizzi, Billy Strange, Glen Campbell, Allen Reuss, Bobby
Gibbons, Bob Bain, Dennis Budimer, John Gray, Bill Pitman, Al Casey, Al
Hendrikson, Irving Ashby, Mundell Lowe, Mike Anthony, Lou Morell, Al Viola,
Ray Pohlman, Arthur Wright, Nick Bonney, Toots Thielemans, Don Peake,
Charles Wright, James Burton, Dean Parks, Mitch Holder, Mike D'Asey, David
Cohen, Jerry Cole, Charley Chiarenza, Neil LeVang, David T. Walker, Larry
Carlton, John Collins, Jim Helms, Al Vescovo, Louie Shelton.

Keyboards: Don Randi, Leon Russell, Mike Melvoin, Arnold Ross, Larry
Knechtal, Ray Johnson, Joe Sample, Clare Fischer, Larry Muhoberac, Pete
Jolly, Lincoln Mayorga, Jimmy Jones, Gerald Wiggins, Mike Rubini, Don Abney,
Mike Lang, Roger Kellaway, Billy Preston, Artie Butler, Clark Gassman, Russ
Freeman, Dave Grusin, Mac Rabbennec, Gene Garf, Al DeLory, Gene Page, JoAnn
Grauer, Pearl Kaufman, Paul Beaver (1st sysnthesizer), Jimmy Rowles.

Saxes: Plas Johnson, Bill Green, Steve Douglas, Jackie Kelso, Jim Horn, Jay
Migliori, Gene Cipriano, Abe Most, Willie Schwartz, Marshall Royal, Bob
Hardaway, John Klemmer, Bud Shank, Paul Horn, Tony Ortega, Buddy Collette,
Ted Nash, Bob Cooper, Ronnie Lang, John Bambridge, Pete Crisleib, Tom Scott,
John Lowe, Julie Jacobs, Babe Rushton, Dick Houlgate, Harry Klee, Bill
Holman, Harold Batiste, Chuck Gentry, Justin Gordon, Benny Golson, Bill
Hood, Jack Montrose, Ernie Watts, Jack Nimitz.

Trumpets: Ollie Mitchell, Tony Terran, John Audino, Pete & Conte Candoli,
Blue Mitchell, Jules Chaiken, Bud Brisbois, John Best, Harry "Sweets"
Edison, Cat Anderson, Virgil Evans, Bobby Shew, Chuck Findley, Paul Hubonen,
Cappy Lewis, Manny Klein, Don Rader, Roy Caton, Buddy Childers, Ray
Triscari, Bobby Bryant, Don Ellis, Maurey Harris, Steve Hufstetter, Oscar
Brashear, Uan Rasey, Snooky Young, Jay Daversa, Al Aarons, Lee Katzman,
Freddy Hill.

Trombones: Lew McCreary, Dick Nash, Milt Bernhart, Dick Noel, Bob
Enevoldsen, Harry Betts, Billy Byers, Tommy Shepard, Gail Martin, Lloyd
Ulyate, George Roberts, Bob Brookmeyer, George Bohanon, Gil Falco, Bobby
Knight, Charlie Loper, Dick Gould, Vern Friely, Kenny Shroyer, Mike Barone,
Grover Mitchell, Dick Hyde, Lou Blackburn, JJ Johnson, Dave Wells, Curt
Berg, Frank Rossolino, Tommy Pederson, Dick Leith, Chris Riddle.

String Bass: Chuck Hamilton, Joe Comfort, Don Bagley, Adlophus Alsbrook, Al
McKibbon, Chuck Berghofer, James Bond, Red Mitchell, Red Calender, Lyle
Ritz, Buddy Clark, Cliff Hils, Ray Brown, Joe Mondragon, Ralph Pena, Steve
LaFever, Monty Budwig, Irving Edelman, Chuck Domanico, Abe Luboff, Jim
Hughart, Morty Corb, Gene Cerico, Bob Stone, Frank De La Rosa, Ray Durand,
Bob West, Peter Mercurio, Mike Rubin, Ed Gilbert, Nat Gangursky, Abe Siegel,
Sid Weiss, Jerry Scheff, Carson Smith, Rolly Bundock, Don Greif, Ray
Neopolitan, Mel Pollan, Bob Berteaux, Max Bennett, Ray Siegel, Milt
Kestenbaum.

Elec. Bass: Ray Pohlman (first No. 1 call studio bassist LA 1957-1964+, was
musical conductor of "Shindig" TV Show), Arthur Wright, Rene Hall, Bob West,
Larry Knechtel, Buddy Clark, Chuck Berghofer, Jim Hughart, Joe Osborn, Max
Bennett, Steve LeFever, Jerry Scheff, Lyle Ritz.

Strings: John Vidor, Harry Bluestone, Lenny Malarsky, George Poole, Ed
Lustgarten, Virginia Gill, Jimmy Getzoff, Eleanor Slatkin, Fred Katz, Ray
Kramer, Tibor Zelig, Erno Neufelder, Fred Seykora, Bobby Bruce, Nate
Kaproff, Jerry Reisler, Sid Sharpe, Al Saparoff, Anatol Kaminsky, Ray
Kelley, Jerome Kessler, Ann Karam, Arnold Belnick, Marshall Sassoon, Jerry
Vinci.

Harmonica: Tommy Morgan, Toots Theilman.

French Horns: Vince De Rosa, Dick Perissi, Bill Hinshaw, David Duke, Willie
Ruff, Dwight Carver.

Harpists: Catherine Gotthoffer, Dorothy Remsen, Stella Castellucci, Gayle
Levant, Joy ______

Accordian: Carl Fortina, Pete Jolly, Frank Marocco, Dominic Frontiere, Jimmy
Haskell.

Studio Singers: Jackie Ward, B.J. (Betty Jane) Baker -singer-contractor,
Gracia Nitzche, Bob Alcivar Singers, Billie Barnum, Susie Tallman, Gordon
Mitchell, Gene Morford, Ian Smith, Ron Hickland singers, Randy Van Horne
Singers (Vangie, B.J., Mary, Hugh, Bob Zwern, Sue, Allen), the Blossoms
(Darlene Love, Fanita, Jean King), Johnny Mann Singers, Jack Halloran
Singers, Jimmy Joyce Singers, John & Tom Bahler, Al Capps (Eligibles),
George Tipton, Ian Freebairn-Smith, Brenda & Pat Holloway, Clydie King, Ray
Pohlman, Loren Farber, Thurl Ravenscroft, Tom Bosley, Betty Burke, Barbara
Caton, Clark Gassman, Don Robertson, Scott Page, Merrie Clayton, Sally
Stevens, Larry Hooper.

There are more than this list, but this gives you a picture of the
musicianship, a real family of talented people, who made 1,000s of
recordings of the late 50s, 60s, 70s, etc.


sg...@hotmail.com

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Aug 28, 2007, 1:36:48 PM8/28/07
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> recordings of the late 50s, 60s, 70s, etc.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Is that a list of all the musicians she worrked with?

I didn't include her because she was too obvious ; ' )

I just read a story about her playing on one of the great rock albums
of the 60s (although a bit obscure), "Forever Changes" by the rock
band Love.

The band messed around with heroin too much at their rehearsals, and
weren't ready
for the recording session Elektra was paying for, so Elektra hired
the "Wrecking Crew" (Hal Blaine, Carol Kaye, etc...) to lay down the
backing tracks.

The bass player of the band helped Carol with the bass part to a song,
and then they decided that he might as well play bass on the song and
Carol was moved over to rhythm guitar.
She started complaining that the chord fingerings were cutting up her
fingers, so one by one, the rock band (Love) started playing again,
until they decided to cancel the recording session, sober up, rehearse
some more and record at a later date.

Carol played guitar on one cut "The Daily Planet", uncredited.

tom walls

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Aug 29, 2007, 7:43:50 AM8/29/07
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In article <1188322608.5...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
sg...@hotmail.com says...

>
> I just read a story about her playing on one of the great rock albums
> of the 60s (although a bit obscure), "Forever Changes" by the rock
> band Love.
>
> The band messed around with heroin too much at their rehearsals, and
> weren't ready
> for the recording session Elektra was paying for, so Elektra hired
> the "Wrecking Crew" (Hal Blaine, Carol Kaye, etc...) to lay down the
> backing tracks.
>
> The bass player of the band helped Carol with the bass part to a song,
> and then they decided that he might as well play bass on the song and
> Carol was moved over to rhythm guitar.
> She started complaining that the chord fingerings were cutting up her
> fingers, so one by one, the rock band (Love) started playing again,
> until they decided to cancel the recording session, sober up, rehearse
> some more and record at a later date.
>
> Carol played guitar on one cut "The Daily Planet", uncredited.
>
>
Good story! But let me get this straight: the chord fingerings were
cutting up Carol's fingers? That seems odd. Must be more to it than
that.
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus

sg...@hotmail.com

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Aug 29, 2007, 11:58:10 AM8/29/07
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On Aug 29, 7:43 am, tom walls <t...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> In article <1188322608.544805.305...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> the guy at the Temple of Zeus- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

She said she had to keep her fingers down when sliding up and down
when playing the same fingering of a chord for a long time- ouch!

tom walls

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Aug 29, 2007, 12:27:58 PM8/29/07
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In article <1188403090.4...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
sg...@hotmail.com says...

>
> She said she had to keep her fingers down when sliding up and down
> when playing the same fingering of a chord for a long time- ouch!
>
>
>
Ah.
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