Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

Amp for an ES-335?

446 views
Skip to first unread message

David Quave

unread,
Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
to
Any es-335 owners have some suggestions on any amps to bring out the best
sound of this guitar. Will be using it in recording situations more than
live work. I have my eye on the 59 Bassman reissue. I keep hearing the hot
rod series from fender is to bright for this guitar. Any truth to that?
Seeking a clean bluesy
sound and some jazz tones with a little tube distortion.
thanks for any thoughts on this subject.

Admiral Ballsy

unread,
Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
to
In article <k3Li2.4498$9H6.4...@news4.mia>,

I like the RI Bassman with my 335; properly set-up, it's got a great sound,
but not much clean headroom.

-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

stevi...@hotmail.com

unread,
Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
to
In article <k3Li2.4498$9H6.4...@news4.mia>,
"David Quave" <dqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Any es-335 owners have some suggestions on any amps to bring out the best
> sound of this guitar. Will be using it in recording situations more than
> live work. I have my eye on the 59 Bassman reissue. I keep hearing the hot
> rod series from fender is to bright for this guitar. Any truth to that?
> Seeking a clean bluesy
> sound and some jazz tones with a little tube distortion.
> thanks for any thoughts on this subject.

There's this guy, Mike Zaite's his name, calls himself Dr. Z. He makes an 18
watt tube head called the Carmen Ghia. My 335 sounds *great* thru that amp
and at 18 watts, the Ghia is ideal for recording.

www.drzamps.com

srd

ELOYJAZZ

unread,
Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
to
I have a Blues Deville w/12's and it seems to
work well with alot of my guitars.

I believe this guitar amp is a 60 wtter.

I've heard that the newer hot rod reissues
are made so that their breakup threshold is
pretty low. My amp is about 5 years old and
I can take it up to a 7 before I start to hear
distortion. I prefer a cleaner sound but
I also, when I play R&R or blues or fusion,
I like it to get a little more aggressive.

I strongly believe that the amp should not be
pushed as it was in "pre-historic" days and
this statement is taking the advent of signal
processors into consideration. I can duplicate
any distortion with my digitech processor
hence letting my amp have a few more years
or trouble free life.

Good luck with your search. don't spend too
much money looking for that ever elusive
"sound"


Eloy

future perfect

unread,
Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
to
A good idea is also The Fender Deluxe Reverb reissue, or for quieter
situations, the Pro Jr or Blues Jr.

DaveEichenberger
*********************************************************************
'Future Perfect' - art music
http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/

rousm

unread,
Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
to
David Quave wrote:
>
> Any es-335 owners have some suggestions on any amps to bring out the best
> sound of this guitar. Will be using it in recording situations more than
> live work. I have my eye on the 59 Bassman reissue. I keep hearing the hot
> rod series from fender is to bright for this guitar. Any truth to that?
> Seeking a clean bluesy
> sound and some jazz tones with a little tube distortion.
> thanks for any thoughts on this subject.
I liked mine best with a four tens amps like Concert or Super Reverb. I
had a real 57 four tens bassman and it sounded great so I guess a
reissue will be cool.

Mike

Brian W. Beebe

unread,
Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
to
Dave,
It has been my experience that any guitar with humbuckers will break
up too quickly with a tweed amp because they were made for single-coil
Fenders. I've had good luck with Fender silver-face amps such as the
Super Reverb or the Twin. Also try an old Gibson amp or a Marshall
Blusebreaker (very clean). Good luck.

Brian

Patrick F. Coleman

unread,
Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
to
stevi...@hotmail.com wrote:

>In article <k3Li2.4498$9H6.4...@news4.mia>,


> "David Quave" <dqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> Any es-335 owners have some suggestions on any amps to bring out the best
>> sound of this guitar. Will be using it in recording situations more than
>> live work. I have my eye on the 59 Bassman reissue. I keep hearing the hot
>> rod series from fender is to bright for this guitar. Any truth to that?
>> Seeking a clean bluesy
>> sound and some jazz tones with a little tube distortion.
>> thanks for any thoughts on this subject.

>There's this guy, Mike Zaite's his name, calls himself Dr. Z. He makes an 18


>watt tube head called the Carmen Ghia. My 335 sounds *great* thru that amp
>and at 18 watts, the Ghia is ideal for recording.

>www.drzamps.com

>srd

I won't argue about the Dr. Z... heard too much good about them.
I use a 335 style guitar through a Hot Rod Deluxe with one 12", and
don't feel I have any problem at all with it being 'too bright', and
feel it's a good choice.
Twang!


>-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
>http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own


/-)


ac...@anv.net

unread,
Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
to
In article <k3Li2.4498$9H6.4...@news4.mia>,
"David Quave" <dqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Any es-335 owners have some suggestions on any amps to bring out the best
> sound of this guitar. Will be using it in recording situations more than
> live work. I have my eye on the 59 Bassman reissue. I keep hearing the hot
> rod series from fender is to bright for this guitar. Any truth to that?
> Seeking a clean bluesy
> sound and some jazz tones with a little tube distortion.
> thanks for any thoughts on this subject.
>
>
BF Fender Bassman, ca. 1964-1966

Jay Vyas

unread,
Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
to
In article <368bd2d0...@news.mindspring.com> herbie...@mindspring.com writes:
>Dave,
>It has been my experience that any guitar with humbuckers will break
>up too quickly with a tweed amp because they were made for single-coil
>Fenders. I've had good luck with Fender silver-face amps such as the
>Super Reverb or the Twin. Also try an old Gibson amp or a Marshall
>Blusebreaker (very clean). Good luck.
>
>Brian
>
>"David Quave" <dqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>Any es-335 owners have some suggestions on any amps to bring out the best
>>sound of this guitar. Will be using it in recording situations more than
>>live work. I have my eye on the 59 Bassman reissue. I keep hearing the hot
>>rod series from fender is to bright for this guitar. Any truth to that?
>>Seeking a clean bluesy
>>sound and some jazz tones with a little tube distortion.
>>thanks for any thoughts on this subject.

I just sold my ES-335 (too many guitars...), but it sounded devastating
through my reissue Marshall JTM45 head and reissue cab with Celestion
Greenbacks - reasonable jazz tones, *great* blues tones, and the clean
sound was sweet! It might be a little loud for recording, though.

My 335 sounded very nice through a Matchless Lightning reverb (2x10) as
well, but there wasn't much clean headroom.

Happy New Year!

Jay


pietrzak

unread,
Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
to
David:

Here are the BB King and T. Bone Walker rigs suggested by Guitar plaer. As
you know, both were pretty clean sounding and Wlaker was rather jazz
oriented in style as well.

Dale


Here is what Guitar Player suggested for a BB King sort of tone ...

Guitars: Epiphone Dot ($868). Amps: Fender Frontman 25R ($200; 25-watt,
solid-state, 1x10 combo with reverb), Epiphone Electar Tube 10 ($359;
10-watt, 1x8 tube combo), Peavey Classic 20 ($330; 15-watt, 1x10 tube
combo), Carvin 212 Belair ($499; 50-watt, 2x12 tube combo with reverb).
Mid-Priced B.B.

Guitars: Epiphone B.B. King Lucille ($1,499), Guild Starfire IV ($1,800).
Amps: Tech 21 Trademark 60 ($695; 60-watt, 1x12 solid-state combo with
reverb), Line 6 Flextone ($799; 50-watt, 1x12 digital-modeling combo),
Peavey Classic 50-212 ($800; 50-watt, 2x12 tube combo with reverb), Crate
VC6212 ($1,000; 60-watt, 2x12 tube combo with reverb), Mesa/Boogie DC-10
($1,299; 100-watt, 2x12 tube combo with reverb), Fender '65 Twin Reverb
($1,300; 80-watt, 2x12 combo with reverb).

High-end B.B.

Guitars: Gibson B.B. King Lucille ($2,877) or Gibson Historic ES-345
($5,075-$6,300). Amps: Rivera BM-100 2x12 ($1,995), Kendrick 4212 ($2,595;
80-watt, 2x12 tube combo), Diaz Classic Twin ($2,999), Fender Dual
Professional ($3,000).


Here are the T. Bone Walker suggestions:

Budget T-Bone

Guitars: Washburn J9 ($1,050), Epiphone Emperor II ($1,149). Amps: Crate
VC508 ($250; 5-watt, 1x8 tube combo), Randall RG25R ($270; 25-watt,
solid-state, 1x10 combo with reverb), Carvin 112-Nomad ($449; 50-watt, 1x12
tube combo with reverb), Fender Blues Junior ($470; 15-watt, 1x12 tube combo
with reverb), Mesa/Boogie Subway Blues ($479; 20-watt, 1x10 tube combo).

Mid-Priced T-Bone

Guitars: Epiphone Joe Pass Emperor II ($1,259), Ibanez PM-20 ($1,400), Guild
X-150D Savoy ($2,000). Amps: Peavey Delta Blues ($580; 30-watt, 1x15 tube
combo with reverb), Crate VC3112 ($700; 30-watt, 1x12 tube combo with
reverb), Line 6 Flextone ($799; 50-watt, 1x12 digital-modeling combo),
Randall RT50R ($1,099; 30-watt, 2x12 tube combo with reverb), Top Hat T-20CD
Club Deluxe ($1,095; 20-watt, 1x12 tube combo), Fender '59 Bassman ($1,180;
40-watt, 4x10 tube combo).

High-end T-Bone

Guitars: Washburn J15 ($3,000), Heritage Eagle Classic ($3,400), Gibson
Historic ES-5 ($5,450-7,000 with P-90 pickups). Amps: Fender Vibrolux Reverb
($1,199), Holland Jazz Amp ($2,200; 50-watt, 2x10 tube combo with reverb),
Matchless Brave ($2,249; 40-watt, 1x12 tube combo), Standel 25L12 ($2,550;
18-watt, 1x12 combo with dual 807 output tubes).


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----


David Quave <dqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:k3Li2.4498$9H6.4...@news4.mia...

NS

unread,
Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
to
I'm using my 335 wigth Matchless DC-30. It sounds great.

gooeyboy

unread,
Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
to
I used to use a Fender Twin Reverb, which is a great amp, but that was too
heavy to lug around, so then I switched to a Peavey Special 130.
Now I no longer play my ES-335, I play an American Arch-top 7 string by Dale
Unger, which by the way is a superb guitar. The amp set up I now use is an
Evans 88 head with a Raezer's Edge cabinet . This new set up is light and
sounds as good as the Fender Twin which by the way had 2 JBL's.

So my recommendation is a good head with the Raezer's Edge cabinet .

http://www.sunlink.net/~aarchtop/

http://www.greensboro.com/evans/

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/raezersedge/

http://www.guitarnotes.com/


jetlag

unread,
Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
to
"David Quave" <dqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Any es-335 owners have some suggestions on any amps to bring out the best
>sound of this guitar.

Does this mean you've settled on the 335 over the PRS?

I use either a MusicMan 2x10 or (mostly) a boogie MK III head into a
Marshall 2x12 cab. The Music Man has predictably a bit more headroom
before breakup. I like both. The Boogie has lots of tonal
possibilities and works well in a cover band type of situation. A
good friend plays his 335 into a Marshall 100w (!) head and a 4x12 cab
and sounds really really good. I like the Matchless DC30 amps with
this guitar if you can pony up the money. Also try the Vox
reissues.... that'd pro'ly be lots o'fun

your old friend
jet


Tim Hacker

unread,
Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
to
In article <k3Li2.4498$9H6.4...@news4.mia>, David Quave
<dqu...@bellsouth.net> writes

>Any es-335 owners have some suggestions on any amps to bring out the best
>sound of this guitar. Will be using it in recording situations more than
>live work. I have my eye on the 59 Bassman reissue. I keep hearing the hot
>rod series from fender is to bright for this guitar. Any truth to that?
>Seeking a clean bluesy
>sound and some jazz tones with a little tube distortion.
>thanks for any thoughts on this subject.
>
I run a Lucille through a Trace Elliot Velocette (15 watts Class A) for
home use and a Hot Rod Deville for gigging. The little Velocette is a
great match for warm, grown-up guitar tones.
--
Tim Hacker

Doug Allen

unread,
Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
to
A 335 is an axe with a fat low end - particularly from the open low E to
about A (low E string @ 5th fret). The top end is brillant.The
humbucking pickups are potent. A lot of spectrum to work with. Some amps
inherently have too much bass,even with the bass control set at "0", for
a 335 to sound balanced when using the neck pickup. I passed up a great
deal on a Fender Concert amp (the newer 1x12 combo,not a vintage 4x10)
because it was impossible to dial out enough bass to get a
smooth,tight,distinct sound from the N pickup. Johnny Smith stated he
was disappointed in some Fender amps for that reason.The Marshall amps
I've owned are not as "bassy" as a Fender - different engineering. My
Polytone does a decent low end reproduction of a 335. Amps with active
tone controls usually have the most bandwith to offer for the critical
82.4 hz (low E) thru 110 hz (A @ 5th fret,low E string). Some players
are acutely particular about tailoring the low end to a fine,distinct
tone with no boomy mush. Midrange is critical for defining the clarity
of the low end and bridging the lo & hi ends smoothly. Treble is usually
easy to manage on most amps.I've been a 335 player for a long time and
to my ear an amp with adequate low and midrange controls make a 335
sound best.So,what amp did I play my 335 through on last nights New
Years Eve gig? A Seymour Duncan Convertible 100. And the low end is too
mushy with the bass on "0" using the N pickup! That's why I'm seeking a
"Low-Cut" module to remedy the low end tailoring. Larry Carlton got a
fine sound from his 335 through a Boogie amp with the bass on 2 or 3
(uses a Dumble amp now). Ritenour has used Duncan amps (2) to get "his"
sound. Reportedly,Clapton is currently playing a 335 through a specially
built Fender Custom shop 2x12 tweed Deluxe amp. He was said to be using
that rig on a recent David Sanborn gig. Pick an amp that sounds good to
your ear throughout the tonal range of a 335. My favorite was a sweetly
voiced '60's Super Reverb that I wish I still owned. Happy New
Year!.....1ƒ1ƒ1999.....


Lawren Daltroy

unread,
Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
to
David Quave wrote in message ...

>Any es-335 owners have some suggestions on any amps to bring out the best
>sound of this guitar. Will be using it in recording situations more than
>live work. I have my eye on the 59 Bassman reissue. I keep hearing the hot
>rod series from fender is to bright for this guitar. Any truth to that?
>Seeking a clean bluesy
>sound and some jazz tones with a little tube distortion.
>thanks for any thoughts on this subject.
>
Dave,
One of the things about thinlines is that they sound good with many amps.
Mine sounds good through an Ampeg 50w ReverbeRocket all-tube reissue.
Happy new year!
Lawren.

Cybermonk

unread,
Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
to
>I run a Lucille through a Trace Elliot Velocette (15 watts Class A) for
>home use and a Hot Rod Deville for gigging. The little Velocette is a
>great match for warm, grown-up guitar tones.


The Velocette 12R can be run at half-power, to obtain power-tube saturation
at 7.5 watts. See my information page:
http://www.cybtrans.com/guitar/g185.htm -- Trace-Elliot Velocette 12R -
1x12 7.5 or 15 watt tube combo

Craig Ramseur

unread,
Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
to
I have one of these Ampegs and a 335 Studio (no f holes). Sounds
great...full, warm, creamy...ahhhh.

Craig


In article <76iure$e...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "Lawren Daltroy"

Scotty

unread,
Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
to

David Quave wrote in message ...
>Any es-335 owners have some suggestions on any amps to bring out the best
>sound of this guitar. Will be using it in recording situations more than
>live work. I have my eye on the 59 Bassman reissue. I keep hearing the hot
>rod series from fender is to bright for this guitar.

Dunno, just plain think they're bright anyway. The Bassman would be cool,
but a splash of verb with the 335 is always nice...


Any truth to that?
>Seeking a clean bluesy
>sound and some jazz tones with a little tube distortion.
>thanks for any thoughts on this subject.

>

I had a mid sixties suer that I got a great tone with an ES335 and a MXR
distortion+. Cleaned up great and had a unbelieveable sustain...

Scotty

Skip Helms

unread,
Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
to
My first choices for that guitar would be either a Super or Vibrolux Reverb. I
think the 10's put a tighter focus on the sound where 12's get too spread out.
I agree that a little verb works well for these amps too. It might just be a
preconceived notion but I think of 335 guitars as being moderately clean and
excellent rhythm instruments. Obviously they are used for lots of stuff, but
for the harder rock and distortion styles they don't work as well. Plus, a
high gain amp can make them howl like Banshees if you stand in the wrong place
on stage. I believe, but am not certain, that Hollywood Fats played his 335
through a Vibrolux and he got some great sounds from it.

Good luck and post what you decide.

Paul Cassone

unread,
Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
to David Quave
David Quave wrote:
>
> Any es-335 owners have some suggestions on any amps to bring out the best sound of this guitar. Will be using it in recording situations more than live work. I have my eye on the 59 Bassman reissue. I keep hearing the hot rod series from fender is to bright for this guitar. Any truth to that? Seeking a clean bluesy sound and some jazz tones with a little tube distortion. thanks for any thoughts on this subject.

Check out the 335 through a Fender Vibrolux Reverb. Best to find an
older one (before they went to PCB).

My 335 sounds great through the Vibrolux Reverb -- better than through
my Deluxe Reverb -- I think the 2 tens in the Vibrolux clean up the 335
a bit.

Have fun and experiment with amps!

Paul

Jack A. Zucker

unread,
Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
to
Paul Cassone wrote in message <368D69...@idt.net>...

>My 335 sounds great through the Vibrolux Reverb -- better than through
>my Deluxe Reverb -- I think the 2 tens in the Vibrolux clean up the 335
>a bit.

That plus the extra 20 watts

--
Jack A. Zucker (Jaz)
Cleveland, OH USA
E-mail: j...@gwis.com

Check out my jazz guitar webpage:
Web: http://w3.gwis.com/~jaz

TomLippinc

unread,
Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
to
>
>There's this guy, Mike Zaite's his name, calls himself Dr. Z. He makes an 18
>watt tube head called the Carmen Ghia. My 335 sounds *great* thru that amp
>and at 18 watts, the Ghia is ideal for recording.
>
>www.drzamps.com
>
>srd
>

My buddy who owns a studio got a Dr. Z amp, and I think it sounds great;
somewhat of a Matchless vibe. I'm not exactly a tube amp connoisser, but if I
wanted a low watt tube amp for studio use, I'd definitely look into the doctor
Z.


Tom Lippincott

Tim Gagan

unread,
Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
to
In article <76gol9$b56$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, ac...@anv.net wrote:
>In article <k3Li2.4498$9H6.4...@news4.mia>,
> "David Quave" <dqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> Any es-335 owners have some suggestions on any amps to bring out the
best
>> sound of this guitar. Will be using it in recording situations more
than
>> live work. I have my eye on the 59 Bassman reissue. I keep hearing
the hot
>> rod series from fender is to bright for this guitar. Any truth to
that?
>> Seeking a clean bluesy
>> sound and some jazz tones with a little tube distortion.
>> thanks for any thoughts on this subject.
>>
>>
>BF Fender Bassman, ca. 1964-1966
Or even a Silver Face works great.
Tim

M.L.

unread,
Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
to
Hi !


a message from France ...

My '67 ES 355 was plugged into a Deluxe reverb end sixties.
This is in my opinion the best choice.

Obviously you have exactly the BB sound because he used it ...
but, the jazz sounds warm and clean.

I've seen a lot of artists using one (or two) Deluxe, even on stage,
with a mike in the front. Try it !


regards,

Mail : Anti-Spam de retour - No return address
Répondre sur ce groupe - Reply on this News-group


-
(the home page of my site is bilingual, the pages, in French,
but there are pictures ! ))

Michel ^-^ "Mon P'tit Coin de Ciel Bleu"
LEFEIVRE (c c ) www.multimania.com/michlef
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, m ,,,¨,,, m ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

......... §~°...........................:::::::: ~o^^~o ................
You make dust or you eat dust


Tim Gagan a écrit dans le message <76kqnm$243$2...@santaclara.santafe.edu>...

D. Trombley

unread,
Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
to
I just bought an Epi The Dot and run it through my HR Deluxe. I use a 2x10 ext
cab that I built and that adds a ton of low end.
Mudbone

Patrick F. Coleman wrote:

> stevi...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >In article <k3Li2.4498$9H6.4...@news4.mia>,
> > "David Quave" <dqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> Any es-335 owners have some suggestions on any amps to bring out the best
> >> sound of this guitar. Will be using it in recording situations more than
> >> live work. I have my eye on the 59 Bassman reissue. I keep hearing the hot
> >> rod series from fender is to bright for this guitar. Any truth to that?
> >> Seeking a clean bluesy
> >> sound and some jazz tones with a little tube distortion.
> >> thanks for any thoughts on this subject.
>

> >There's this guy, Mike Zaite's his name, calls himself Dr. Z. He makes an 18
> >watt tube head called the Carmen Ghia. My 335 sounds *great* thru that amp
> >and at 18 watts, the Ghia is ideal for recording.
>
> >www.drzamps.com
>
> >srd
>

> I won't argue about the Dr. Z... heard too much good about them.
> I use a 335 style guitar through a Hot Rod Deluxe with one 12", and
> don't feel I have any problem at all with it being 'too bright', and
> feel it's a good choice.
> Twang!

> >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
>

> /-)


JAlbin1916

unread,
Jan 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/3/99
to
A friend of mine plays his 335 through either a blackface Twin or a .50 calibre
Boogie and gets a great sound through both. That guitar also sounds really
good through my brownface Pro and my '60's no-name Champ clone. As good as the
Twin sounds, though, if you're looking for blues tones at reasonable volume, it
may not work for you. I'd suggest any of the two 6L6-tube, 40-50 watt Fender
amps (e.g., Super, Pro, Bassman, Vibroverb).

John

stevi...@hotmail.com

unread,
Jan 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/4/99
to
In article <368E8AB7...@123.net>,

"D. Trombley" <da...@123.net> wrote:
> I just bought an Epi The Dot and run it through my HR Deluxe. I use a 2x10 ext
> cab that I built and that adds a ton of low end.
> Mudbone
>

You use 10" speakers to add low end?

srd

Patrick F. Coleman

unread,
Jan 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/4/99
to
stevi...@hotmail.com wrote:

>In article <368E8AB7...@123.net>,
> "D. Trombley" <da...@123.net> wrote:
>> I just bought an Epi The Dot and run it through my HR Deluxe. I use a 2x10 ext
>> cab that I built and that adds a ton of low end.
>> Mudbone
>>

>You use 10" speakers to add low end?

Well hell yes.
While a 12" will have more lows than a 10".. comparing one to the
other... a 10" still has lows.. by adding two tens in a cab, he's
increased his low end.
I'd rather use another 12", myself, but so what? His would add lows.
Twang!

>srd

>-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
>http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own


/-)


AT

unread,
Jan 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/4/99
to
On Mon, 04 Jan 1999 17:08:51 GMT, stevi...@hotmail.com wrote:

>In article <368E8AB7...@123.net>,
> "D. Trombley" <da...@123.net> wrote:
>> I just bought an Epi The Dot and run it through my HR Deluxe. I use a 2x10 ext
>> cab that I built and that adds a ton of low end.
>> Mudbone
>>
>
>You use 10" speakers to add low end?
>

>srd

Yes, and he uses a single 15" cab for the high end.

s...@netguitar.com

unread,
Jan 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/5/99
to
In article <369141a1...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>,
This guitar would sound good with any amp!
http://www.montana.com/instruments/61es335td.html

TomLippinc

unread,
Jan 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/5/99
to
>
>>You use 10" speakers to add low end?
>
>Well hell yes.
>While a 12" will have more lows than a 10".. comparing one to the
>other... a 10" still has lows.. by adding two tens in a cab, he's
>increased his low end.
>I'd rather use another 12", myself, but so what? His would add lows.
>Twang!
>
>>srd

A bass player friend of mine explained to me once (I forget exactly what the
specifics were, but it made sense at the time) that 10" speakers are indeed
better in some ways for low end than 12s or 15s. Notice that many high end
bass cabinets use multiple configurations of 10s, such as Hartke and Eden, just
to name a couple off the top of my head.


Tom Lippincott

Andrew P. Mullhaupt

unread,
Jan 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/5/99
to

stevi...@hotmail.com wrote in message <76qsj2$55q$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>In article <368E8AB7...@123.net>,
> "D. Trombley" <da...@123.net> wrote:
>> I just bought an Epi The Dot and run it through my HR Deluxe. I use a
2x10 ext
>> cab that I built and that adds a ton of low end.
>> Mudbone
>>
>
>You use 10" speakers to add low end?


You sure can when there is more than one of them. It's dependent on the
geometry and electrical phasing. You get a radiation pattern set up which is
different for each frequency (reinforcement/cancellation) and so you get
filtering. If the filter characteristic has peaks at low frequencies then
you can add low end.

If you close mike one speaker of the cab then you will minimize this
filtering and pretty much lose this effect. So it's more of a studio thing.
To get this extra low end live you have to either close mike both speakers
and submix them or else mike them from a distance, which is usually not
practical from an isolation point of view.

I'm pretty sure Lexicon wasn't thinking of it in these terms when they
designed it, but their divergent 2x10 cabinet offers a chance at getting
some filtering while still close miking.

Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt

Giri Iyengar

unread,
Jan 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/5/99
to
AT wrote:
>
> On Mon, 04 Jan 1999 17:08:51 GMT, stevi...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > "D. Trombley" <da...@123.net> wrote:
> >> I just bought an Epi The Dot and run it through my HR Deluxe. I use a 2x10 ext
> >> cab that I built and that adds a ton of low end.
> >> Mudbone
> >
> >You use 10" speakers to add low end?
>
> Yes, and he uses a single 15" cab for the high end.

I use a custom cab with 112 tweeters scavenged from
Sony boomboxes for my 5-string bass with a low B.

..Giri

--

e-mail: giyengar "at" ford "dot" com

Anthony Robinson

unread,
Jan 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/5/99
to

Giri Iyengar wrote in message

>I use a custom cab with 112 tweeters scavenged from
>Sony boomboxes for my 5-string bass with a low B.
>
>..Giri


What?! no KLON????

everyone knows, they are the best thing going for basses, especially if you
have a big tweeter.

:)

-Anthony


Les Cargill

unread,
Jan 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/5/99
to

> "D. Trombley" <da...@123.net> wrote:
> > I just bought an Epi The Dot and run it through my HR Deluxe. I use a 2x10 ext
> > cab that I built and that adds a ton of low end.
> > Mudbone
> >
>
> You use 10" speakers to add low end?

Yeah. It depends on the speakers, cabinet and what
the other stuff in the power chain are doing.

If the 10" are higher compliance ( e.g., more like
bass guitar/PA speakers ), yoo betcha.

>
> srd


>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

--
Les Cargill
http://home.att.net/~lcargill/

Giri Iyengar

unread,
Jan 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/6/99
to
Anthony Robinson wrote:
>
> Giri Iyengar wrote in message
> >I use a custom cab with 112 tweeters scavenged from
> >Sony boomboxes for my 5-string bass with a low B.
> >
> >..Giri
>
> What?! no KLON????

No, I'm waiting for the Screaming Blue Muff Driver.
Apparently, you can turn the gain *and* the level
all the way down, for a *really* clean sound. Very
transparent, too.

> everyone knows, they are the best thing going for basses, especially if you
> have a big tweeter.

Naah, really big tweeters have too much treble.

Anthony Robinson

unread,
Jan 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/6/99
to

Giri Iyengar wrote in message <3693C06D...@av7005.pd5.ford.com>...

>Anthony Robinson wrote:
>>
>> Giri Iyengar wrote in message
>> >I use a custom cab with 112 tweeters scavenged from
>> >Sony boomboxes for my 5-string bass with a low B.
>> >
>> >..Giri
>>
>> What?! no KLON????
>
>No, I'm waiting for the Screaming Blue Muff Driver.
>Apparently, you can turn the gain *and* the level
>all the way down, for a *really* clean sound. Very
>transparent, too.


Muff diver? Will that make my tone better?

>> everyone knows, they are the best thing going for basses, >>especially if
you
>> have a big tweeter.
>
>Naah, really big tweeters have too much treble.
>
>..Giri


I heard it doesn't matter how much treble you have, just how you use it.

-SAnthony
(I just got my stevie yesterday)

dunlop212

unread,
Jan 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/8/99
to David Quave
I have owned both of these amps. The hot rod was loud but too harsh sounding,
and I got rid of it. My '59 reissue bassman remains my favorite amp (and I
have owned a *lot* of amps). Don't own a 335, but every guitar I play sounds
great on the bassman.

David C. Stephens

unread,
Jan 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/18/99
to

TomLippinc wrote:

> >
> >>You use 10" speakers to add low end?
> >

It's actually pretty simple. Two 10" speakers have more surface area and move more
air than one 12" speaker,. plus they have the added benefit of responding quicker
for a given magnet power because they have a lower mass to magnet ratio. Specialty
low range 10" speakers can be developed, as in the Hartke and Eden that have
"long-through" cones and motors that are easier to control in a smaller speaker.
All that said, in general, two 12s will produce more low in than two 10s, but two
15s will beat them both.

Dave

Dave

Bob Agnew

unread,
Jan 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/18/99
to
Also, adding a passive radiator of the same diameter will greatly increase
the bass. This is because the bass frequencies radiate backwards off the
back of the cone. If the enclosure is pressure tight, then the back wave
forces the passive radiator forward, redirecting the bass to the front. This
can increase the bass by 10db or more.

David C. Stephens <dcs...@ibm.net> wrote in message
news:36A3325D...@ibm.net...

0 new messages