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Steve Oliver and the Carvin NS1

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G-Man

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Oct 23, 2007, 3:16:25 PM10/23/07
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http://www.carvin.com/mediaplayer/ns1/ns1.php

He sure can make that baby sing!

G-Man


oasysco

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Oct 23, 2007, 7:37:01 PM10/23/07
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Yeah, he's a good player, but Carvon is a littel late to the MIDI
game, isn't it? Seems to track well, though.

Greg

G-Man

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Oct 23, 2007, 7:42:52 PM10/23/07
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I didn't know it was a race :-)

G-Man

PS,
Good luck to Carvin and the employees. They are in the middle of the fire
battle in CA.


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RickH®

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Oct 23, 2007, 11:07:43 PM10/23/07
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Holy cow, a full through-body mahogany neck, 20 inch radius, watch out
Godin!

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oasysco

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Oct 24, 2007, 1:03:48 AM10/24/07
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On Oct 23, 7:42 pm, "G-Man" <g_fore...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I didn't know it was a race :-)

Nah, no race, but I'm not sure it's innovative. In fact, the whole
page seems more an advertisement for the GR33 and VG88 than the guitar
itself

>
> G-Man
>
> PS,
> Good luck to Carvin and the employees. They are in the middle of the fire
> battle in CA.

Amne to that!
Greg
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> > On Oct 23, 3:16 pm, "G-Man" <g_fore...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.carvin.com/mediaplayer/ns1/ns1.php
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> >> He sure can make that baby sing!
>
> >> G-Man
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> > Yeah, he's a good player, but Carvon is a littel late to the MIDI
> > game, isn't it? Seems to track well, though.
>

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G-Man

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Oct 24, 2007, 7:22:06 AM10/24/07
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Roger,

I have an NS1, plus the GR33 and VG88. Still working on getting the sounds
I want. It does track well.

What options did you get?

Here are some photos I took of Steve at Lansdowne VA. Steve's a really cool
guy to talk with. My Ns1 is like the one he is playing, except I got the
Stainless frets.

http://www.gwfweb.com/guitars/oliver/index.html

G-Man


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>I have one on order, due any day now. Geez, I hadn't made the
> connection about the fire situation. I hope they are OK!
>
> It's a chambered guitar, not meant to be an acoustic really (although
> I'm sure it makes SOME sound). And I do agree that Carvin's marketing
> is a little over the top claiming that it's revolutionary and all
> that... the Godin products have been around for at least 10 years.
>
> But the NS1 is more attractive in my opinion, and available in many
> colors, with what looks to be a very comfortable neck and smooth
> heel. I am looking forward to test driving it, and if this thread is
> still around, I'll post my impressions.
>
> Roger
>


rpguitar

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Oct 24, 2007, 8:19:55 AM10/24/07
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Cool photos! I think I may have seen you post a link to these on the
Carvin board.

No real options for me - just the color. Translucent purple on flamed
maple. I'm hoping it doesn't turn into a pile of flaming purple
matchsticks though... The date on my card was 10/22, which has passed,
and as of 10/15 it has been in HW/QC.

Folks on this ng should be at least casually interested in the NS1,
since there have been queries lately on a nylon string that's good for
jazz gigs. It would at least seem to fit the part.

13 pin tracking aside, how is the actual guitar tone?

G-Man

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Oct 24, 2007, 8:57:54 AM10/24/07
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Sweet. I love the neck shape. Of course it doesn't have much of an
unplugged sound, it still has an excellent tone.

What are you going to run this through? I didn't realize I needed another
interface to bridge the VG88 and GR33. I purchased a Roland US-20 to do
this. Steve actually sent me his setup he uses. I have not had time to
even attempt this connection yet.

Keep in touch. No cowbelling when that baby comes in!

G-Man

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omsjawmusic

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Nov 6, 2007, 11:48:54 AM11/6/07
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Hi G-Man,
I'm new to the forum. I'm a brand new owner of a Carvin NS1: I like
it, very low action of the strings, tried it w/ a Roland GR20 (very
impressed by the tracking). I also own an Ibanez Steve Vai and a Line6
75w Spider 3 amp.
What amp do you suggest for the NS1 (I've noticed quite some "white
noise" when I plug in the NS1 in the Line 6 amp; I've changed the 9v
battery and it's improved a little: I hope it's not a guitar
problem!!! - I'm a classic guitar player, so you'll understand my
ignorance about "electric" components).
thanks
Pierpaolo

rpguitar

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Nov 6, 2007, 12:33:21 PM11/6/07
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Good timing here. I just got my NS1 yesterday!

Posted a video; check it out at:
http://www.youtube.com/rpguitar

I am playing mine through my jazz rig, which is an Acoustic Image
Clarus 2R into a Redstone Audio RS-8vER cabinet. Using a Yamaha
MagicStomp for deep hall reverb and some modulation.

The NS1 will benefit from a clean, acoustic guitar oriented
amplifier. I also own a Roland AC-60 which is a good example of that
breed. I'd personally avoid tube amps and modeling rigs like the
Line6; there is too much color and crapola going on there for a guitar
like the NS1.

My opinions of course. So... what color did you get?!?

Roger

omsjawmusic

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Nov 6, 2007, 6:26:03 PM11/6/07
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I bought a "deep sunsetburst on flame"....beautiful!
what do you think about the Carvin AG100D acoustic amp?
thank for your help
Pierpaolo

rpguitar

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Nov 6, 2007, 8:40:19 PM11/6/07
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> what do you think about the Carvin AG100D acoustic amp?

Pierpaolo,

On the surface it is the right kind of amp. I don't have any
experience using it though, so I can't recommend it one way or the
other. Check into people's comments on the Carvin BBS (http://
www.carvinbbs.com) and see what they think.

Roger

sheets

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Nov 6, 2007, 8:53:06 PM11/6/07
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Is there a way to download the entire video? It's very annoying the
way it downloads 10 seconds and then pauses for a while.

How does it compare to the Godin? The tones I heard were somewhat
shrill sounding (like the godin).

rpguitar

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Nov 6, 2007, 9:09:09 PM11/6/07
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Tell you what: Here's the original Quicktime movie - go ahead and
grab it if you like.
http://www.mybigshirt.net/rdp/video/IHaveArrived.mov

I have no control over the YouTube playback... it's been fine for me
when I've played it (and all my vids). Let it cache by going to the
page and then pausing it, then play it when the progress bar is far
over to the right.

Shrill? Well, it's very adjustable in tone. There's active treble,
bass, and midrange with a sweep. I am surprised to hear you describe
it as shrill as I typically hate very bright treble in nylon tone.
But the audio does suffer a little in the conversion to the format
they use.

I owned a Godin Multiac for some time. I never really got on with
it. The neck was chunkier than this, and was bolt on. The Carvin is
a super smooth neck through with a sculpted heel.

I think that so far, the Carvin is MUCH more comfortable to play - the
neck is lovely with a 1 7/8" nut and 20" radius. Very smooth profile,
and the action is super low. I will probably put on higher tension
strings as I think they will better suit me. I have to adjust my
attack and technique to deal with the medium tension strings.

Roger

sheets

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Nov 6, 2007, 9:46:32 PM11/6/07
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On Nov 6, 9:09 pm, rpguitar <rpgui...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Roger,

Thanks for the comments. Regarding Shrill, that was probably a bad
choice of words. I meant more of a dead sound like a solid body. The
Turner RN6 still sounds better than any of the thin nylon strings IMO.
It has the woody acoustic quality that the clips of the carvin don't
display.

> I owned a Godin Multiac for some time. I never really got on with
> it. The neck was chunkier than this, and was bolt on. The Carvin is
> a super smooth neck through with a sculpted heel.

Godin's necks do feel awful. How much did this set you back if you
don't mind me asking? I'd love to have an electric nylon string for my
current recording project.

sheets

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Nov 6, 2007, 9:56:51 PM11/6/07
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by the way, the clip I was referring to was the one on the carvin
site. I haven't heard yours Roger. I don't have the apple playback on
my computer.

rpguitar

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Nov 6, 2007, 10:31:46 PM11/6/07
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I know about the dead sound you refer to. The Carvin clips do have
that - they focused WAY too much on the synth access thing, and Steve
Oliver's one man band schtick. You can hear my clip on YouTube - just
go to youtube/rpguitar. Maybe you will feel the same about my sound
as well. I do wish the guitar was a little more woody. I think the
heavier strings might help with that; bring out some different
overtones. We'll see. I just got it! Some tweaking to do I guess.

It cost about $1300, and it is fun to play.

RP

sheets

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Nov 7, 2007, 8:53:37 AM11/7/07
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I'll check it out tonight. I've been looking for a used rick turner
for a while but maybe the carvin will fit the bill...

sheets

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Nov 7, 2007, 9:04:34 AM11/7/07
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On Nov 6, 9:09 pm, rpguitar <rpgui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 8:53 pm, sheets <jackzuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Is there a way to download the entire video? It's very annoying the
> > way it downloads 10 seconds and then pauses for a while.
>
> > How does it compare to the Godin? The tones I heard were somewhat
> > shrill sounding (like the godin).
>
> Tell you what: Here's the original Quicktime movie - go ahead and
> grab it if you like.http://www.mybigshirt.net/rdp/video/IHaveArrived.mov

>
> I have no control over the YouTube playback... it's been fine for me
> when I've played it (and all my vids). Let it cache by going to the
> page and then pausing it, then play it when the progress bar is far
> over to the right.
>
> Shrill? Well, it's very adjustable in tone. There's active treble,
> bass, and midrange with a sweep. I am surprised to hear you describe
> it as shrill as I typically hate very bright treble in nylon tone.
> But the audio does suffer a little in the conversion to the format
> they use.
>
> I owned a Godin Multiac for some time. I never really got on with
> it. The neck was chunkier than this, and was bolt on. The Carvin is
> a super smooth neck through with a sculpted heel.
>
> I think that so far, the Carvin is MUCH more comfortable to play - the
> neck is lovely with a 1 7/8" nut and 20" radius. Very smooth profile,
> and the action is super low. I will probably put on higher tension
> strings as I think they will better suit me. I have to adjust my
> attack and technique to deal with the medium tension strings.
>
> Roger

FYI - I downloaded the MOV file on my work computer but quicktime says
it's an invalid movie file.

rpguitar

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Nov 7, 2007, 9:20:18 AM11/7/07
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> I'll check it out tonight. I've been looking for a used rick turner
> for a while but maybe the carvin will fit the bill...

Well, after your comments I spent a little time comparing the
amplified sound to my Cordoba C5-CE, a full size classical electric
that I also own. I have to say - the Carvin really holds its own. I
recorded my YouTube video the same day I got the guitar, and I think
it sounds nice - but there's a lot of tonal tweakery that the Carvin's
electronics support.

It's hard to compare directly with a full acoustic because you are
holding the acoustic guitar, and as such there is more of a vibration
and you always hear some of the natural sound. But the NS1 doesn't
feel "dead" if you listen to what's coming out of the speaker; my
opinion of course.

Carvin also has a thin but fully hollow classical electric, the
CL-450. I've GASsed over that for years, but never pulled the
trigger. Check that out too. It obviously has an acoustic
component. The NS1 was specifically developed to avoid feedback at
any volume, which I'm sure it does since it's mostly solid (chambered;
weighs about 6.5 lbs).

Roger


sheets

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Nov 7, 2007, 9:44:27 AM11/7/07
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Have you tried the midi stuff on it?

rpguitar

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Nov 7, 2007, 10:05:54 AM11/7/07
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> Have you tried the midi stuff on it?

A little, yes. I have an original GR-1 that I bought in 1992. The
tracking seems "fine" - I'll never be a guitar synth wizard. It's
comparable to the Godin that I had. Nylon strings help with some
patches, and hinder with others. I don't think the implementation is
anything profound (Carvin thinks so...) but it certainly works in a
quality fashion, subject to one's individual ability to negotiate the
differences in playing.

I bought it as a nylon electric guitar, not as a MIDI tool - that is
just an extra for me.

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