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What's wrong with US Masters TVA30 amp?

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DaveB

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Jun 14, 2010, 6:46:02 AM6/14/10
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Sold direct a $699 + $40 shipping, 30W class A, EL84's. They talk it up good
and havn't found any negatives online. Yes, it's made in China. But, if you
don't tell the amp where it was made, what's wrong with it?
http://www.usmasters.com/TVA30Amp.htm


Roger

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Jun 14, 2010, 7:40:39 AM6/14/10
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Probably nothing, but there's not much track record on reliability,
being a fairly new product. I wonder if they sound good. Hell, for
$700 I have a genuine made in USA VHT Pittbull Forty-Five 1-12 combo
for sale. Fryette's stuff is a known quantity (fantastic) and it's
made here.

george4908

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Jun 14, 2010, 9:40:40 AM6/14/10
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> They talk it up good

Well, of course.

> Yes, it's made in China.

A nice irony for a company called "U.S. Masters."

My guess is the circuit is pretty straightforward and Fender-ish,
something that can easily be replicated en masse (as it is by Fender,
among many others). How well built and reliable it will be is an
unknown, and depends upon the level of specification and quality
control U.S. Masters is willing to pay for. I'd be curious to read a
solder-head's review of the quality of the components and joints.

It's likely the speaker that determines how good or how bad this amp
sounds more than anything else, depending on how they spec'ed it out.
You can build down to a price point or build up to a price point. If
these are only sold direct, it won't be easy to hear one.

Dave

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Jun 14, 2010, 11:46:30 AM6/14/10
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It might be a perfectly fine product. But one thing about these "off
brands", of which these days there are more than ever, is, what's their
resale value? What you may save in the initial purchase over a more
established name may be more than lost if you ever decide to sell it.


DaveB

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Jun 14, 2010, 11:50:05 AM6/14/10
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"Dave" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
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Very good point!


Bg

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Jun 14, 2010, 9:14:02 PM6/14/10
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>
> It might be a perfectly fine product.  But one thing about these "off
> brands", of which these days there are more than ever, is, what's their
> resale value?  What you may save in the initial purchase over a more
> established name may be more than lost if you ever decide to sell it.

Strangely enough, other than maybe a house, I never buy anything with
the thought if selling it, therefore don't think of resale value,
unless it's a Big ticket item like maybe a Harley, but not any item
only under a grand or two.
Bg

Dave

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Jun 14, 2010, 10:18:42 PM6/14/10
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Uhh...OK.


Bg

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Jun 14, 2010, 11:32:34 PM6/14/10
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>
> > Strangely enough, other than maybe a house, I never buy anything with
> > the thought if selling it, therefore don't think of resale value,
> > unless it's a Big ticket item like maybe a Harley, but not any item
> > only under a grand or two.
> > Bg
>
> Uhh...OK.

Heh, I guess what I mean is, that I don't buy something without the
intention of keeping it, and don't want to let resale value interfere
with my decision on an amp or guitar, If I really like it. :-)

Bg

DaveB

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Jun 15, 2010, 9:28:01 AM6/15/10
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"Bg" <ott...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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To be honest, I tend to be that way also. A while back I was in a local
store and tried a Johnson Grooveyard (335 clone). It was $330 with case. I
had tried the Ibanez, Epiphone, etc, and this is in the same class but there
was something about the neck that caught my attention. Not sure exacty what
but it just felt good. I bought it without any consdieration of resale...
too cheap to worry about it. Another odd ball is a Dean strat clone with
humbuckers, $179. I love the thing.

BTW.... regarding the TVA30 amp... been doing a lot of reading... may be a
good amp for what it is but I'm about convinced class A ain't the way to go.
Class AB done right appears much better design.... but, that's just from a
technical perspective. Need to hear these things to really know.


Jim Soloway

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Jun 15, 2010, 11:13:10 AM6/15/10
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>
> BTW.... regarding the TVA30 amp... been doing a lot of reading... may be a
> good amp for what it is but I'm about convinced class A ain't the way to go.
> Class AB done right appears much better design.... but, that's just from a
> technical perspective. Need to hear these things to really know.

I tend to agree with your opinion on class A amps. There's usually
way too much breakup at all volume levels for my taste. I generally
find most EL84 based amps a bit brittle for my taste as well and what
I've read of the TVA 30 sounds like it's meant to have a lot of
Marshall style grind. It may well be a great amp for a very good
price, but I really doubt that is would be very useful as a jazz amp.
There are other amps in a similar price range that I suspect would do
a much better job.

Great White Buffalo

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Jun 16, 2010, 3:04:38 AM6/16/10
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On Jun 14, 6:46 am, "DaveB" <davidbross...@mchsi.com> wrote:

They go thru all that trouble to make a nice amp and use what looks
like plastic tube sockets? The sound bites sound pretty good.

Great White Buffalo

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Jun 16, 2010, 3:06:36 AM6/16/10
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Yeah, but what happens when you tire of it and want to sell it :)

Bg

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Jun 16, 2010, 4:43:34 AM6/16/10
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I've been gigging my GibsonES125 since 1965 or so, so it's not for
sale, but I'd like to get a decent axe and retire the 125.
I've got 3 amps, Polytone Combo, Poly head with RE Cab, and a Jazzkat,
(which I usually use), and don't see my self selling any of them.

I haeven't been lucky finding a guitar I really like though.
I want a thinline L5, but mnot many around especially here up in
Canada, and a bit expensive anyway.
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Five Sharp

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Jun 16, 2010, 5:37:52 AM6/16/10
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> I want a thinline L5, but mnot many around especially here up in
Canada, and a bit expensive anyway.
Bg


The ES 350t is an often overlooked and very nice and affordable laminate
alternative to the thinline L5. I love mine. For live gigging way better
suitable than a thinline L5, would be my guess.

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Dave

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Jun 16, 2010, 11:33:37 AM6/16/10
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Well sure. However, it's pretty common for a piece of gear to initially
seem great, but over time the shine starts to wear off. I mean, the simple
fact that there are SO many gtr and amp makers indicates that many players
are always looking for the next great thing. Or they just get a hankering
for a particular gtr or amp.

I guess it boils down to whether you're willing to lose money, and how much.
Me? I try to minimize my losses.


Bg

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Jun 16, 2010, 5:10:40 PM6/16/10
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I had one, and though it played and felt great very comfortable, I
couldn't get a decent Freddie Green sound out of it which I needed at
the time, and was thin sounding to me. I tried Ebony, Rosewood and
It's own Tunomatic bridges on it and that didn't help to fatten it
out, and seemed to sound best with it's original Tunomatic. I'm sorry
I sold it though, but I can't buy another guitar without selling one
first.
I had .013 Chromes on it,as on all my guitars.

You on the other hand get a great sound out of your 350T, I couldn't
achive that sound though.
Maybe I'm playing too close to the Bridge on a 17" guitar.

If I run into another one I might give it a try again.

Bg

Bg

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Jun 16, 2010, 5:13:29 PM6/16/10
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> The ES 350t is an often overlooked and very nice and affordable laminate
> alternative to the thinline L5. I love mine. For live gigging way better
> suitable than a thinline L5, would be my guess.
>
> #####

I thought the problem with thin sound was due to the 22 fret neck and
the nexk pickup being in the Byrdland/ES175 position, on the L5
thinlines the pickup is closer to the nut, and out of the way of my
pick.

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Bg

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Jun 16, 2010, 5:16:56 PM6/16/10
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>
> I guess it boils down to whether you're willing to lose money, and how much.
> Me?  I try to minimize my losses.

Funny thing is that I lost money selling my Gibs L5 Studio model, and
my 350T, made lotsof money on my very old Guild Starfire, and made a
little money on my Heritage 575, which was great sounding but
uncomfortable for me.
Bg

Five Sharp

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Jun 17, 2010, 11:59:39 AM6/17/10
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Sorry to hear that. I have only good experience with this model. What year
was yours?

Bg

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Jun 17, 2010, 6:08:09 PM6/17/10
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On Jun 17, 8:59 am, "Five Sharp" <hjg.onst...@onsbrabantnet.nl> wrote:
> Sorry to hear that. I have only good experience with this model. What year
> was yours?
>
> #####
It was a 90's model, can't remember now, played really well and very
comfortable though.
I sold it at Murch, is that where you got yours? Maybe same guitar!

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stevemo...@gmail.com

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stevemo...@gmail.com

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Mar 31, 2014, 11:25:18 AM3/31/14
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I wouldn't piss on a godamn jazz amp. A class A amp has a raw vintage sound that you can't be recreated with an AB amp. If yplay jazz, or metal, its probably not the amp for you.

rpjazzguitar

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Mar 31, 2014, 2:32:02 PM3/31/14
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Probably my best answer is "I don't know", but I looked at the pictures and did notice something.

Something I hate in electronic devices is when the jacks and pots are soldered into the circuit board. Well, there is a silver lining. When it fails, you'll know why.

Same argument for tube sockets.

The pictures show that the tubes seem to be mounted in the chassis. Same for at least one jack. I couldn't tell about the pots.

On the negative side, I always thought "point to point" meant that the components were soldered together. Not a circuit board. I checked it on Wiki, and that seems to be the case. So, it may be that the ad is a bit misleading. That is, it's clear enough that there's a PCB, but I don't think it should say "point to point".

Lord Valve

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Apr 1, 2014, 9:02:54 AM4/1/14
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stevemo...@gmail.com wrote:

> I wouldn't piss on a godamn jazz amp. A class A amp has a raw vintage sound that you can't be recreated with an AB amp. If yplay jazz, or metal, its probably not the amp for you.

Something tells me you can't tell Class A from Ass Clay.

Just sayin'...


Lord Valve
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