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Al Schlimm

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Jul 20, 2001, 7:54:19 AM7/20/01
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I'm 46 and I've noticed that my nails are getting softer and weaker. When
they're long they flex a lot easier than they used to and I've had a nasty
split or two recently. I eat a reasonably healthy diet. Does anyone have
any idea what could be causing this or what I could supplement my diet with
to strengthen my nails?

Thanks in advance.

Colin Cotter

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Jul 20, 2001, 8:57:18 AM7/20/01
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Vitamin D. Cod liver oil, or go outside more.

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Mark Kleinhaut

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Jul 20, 2001, 8:59:19 AM7/20/01
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Also, eat lots and lots of jello (or take gelatin pills). There is a thread
going on at rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic where they are discussing rubbing
garlic on the fingernails each night before bedtime (obviously, they don't
have quite the love lives we over here at RMMGJ have:))
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Jul 20, 2001, 10:14:57 AM7/20/01
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Chris Johnson

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Jul 20, 2001, 10:23:12 AM7/20/01
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I've noticed that people who don't eat much meat are more likely
to suffer from soft nails than those who consider cows to be
a valid food source. If you like meat, it's a reasonable
excuse to have steak for dinner a little more often!

If you're a rabid vegetarian (or should that be RABBIT vegetarian??)
then you should consider dietary supplements like, as mentioned by
others, vitamin D and maybe some jello for collagen.

(However, an exclusively vegetarian diet is unsound for humans from
a scientific perspective. Complete nutrition is difficult to achieve
that way and some vegetarians have come up with some unusual disorders
as a result of incomplete nutrition.)

CJ

Holger Weber

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Jul 20, 2001, 10:37:26 AM7/20/01
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Chris Johnson <cmjo...@cfl.rr.com> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
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>
> (However, an exclusively vegetarian diet is unsound for humans from
> a scientific perspective. Complete nutrition is difficult to achieve
> that way and some vegetarians have come up with some unusual disorders
> as a result of incomplete nutrition.)
>
> CJ

follow up to alt.urban.legends


Lumpy

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Jul 20, 2001, 11:28:58 AM7/20/01
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Chris Johnson wrote:
> ...some vegetarians have come up with some

> unusual disorders as a result of
> incomplete nutrition.

Gee. I knew a carnivore once and he got
sick and died!

Monsterously hard nails, and a veg!..lumpy


Colin Cotter

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Jul 20, 2001, 11:45:23 AM7/20/01
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I'm sure you'll be able to tell us all which proteins, vitamins and minerals I'm
missing then! Actually I may be an exception to your rule, being a vegetarian
who actually likes vegetables...

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Claus Rogge

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Jul 20, 2001, 12:19:49 PM7/20/01
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Al Schlimm wrote (20.07.2001 13:54 ):

> my nails are getting softer and weaker.

I think what we took is called Strophantus D4. It's (forgot this word - )
homoeopathic but it has helped a lot of people, including me.

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Chris_S

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Jul 20, 2001, 3:38:00 PM7/20/01
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Don't bother with gelitin supplements, etc. imho. You might want to
estimate how much calcium you're getting in your diet. Also, you need
vitamin D to absorb the calcium.

You might also be doing the following things already:
1. apply some sort of cuticle cream/moisturizor at least once a day. I
never manage twice a day.
2. File a little each day with a very fine metal file or fine-grain
sandpaper. This will remove burrs, keep the ends smooth, stop them
from catching/ripping on things.
This stuff all promotes growth as well apparently. There are lots of
nail hardeners out there but I have no idea about the
merits/disadvantages of any of them sorry.
Chris

Chris Johnson

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Jul 20, 2001, 1:15:16 PM7/20/01
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Colin Cotter wrote:
>
> I'm sure you'll be able to tell us all which proteins, vitamins and minerals I'm
> missing then! Actually I may be an exception to your rule, being a vegetarian
> who actually likes vegetables...
>
>


I like vegetables, too, but the idea of not getting meat in my diet is
something I just wouldn't even consider. I don't mean a steak every
day,
but I've got to have something. Fish, chicken, whatever. I could
probably
live the rest of my life having assorted fish every day and never
complain.

Honestly, I don't and can't understand anyone going vegetarian on moral
grounds. It's one thing if you just don't like meat, but morally
speaking
I can't see anything wrong with eating animals. It's no more wrong
than any other animal eating another. You don't honestly think you're
going to sell the idea of vegetarianism to any carnivore, do you?

Our digestive systems are designed for a little bit of everything except
for large quantities of cellulose. We don't have a system that works
effectively on roughage like grazing animals do.

Oh, here's one for ya: I am a second level vegetarian! I eat animals
that are first level vegetarians, therefore I am a vegetarian, too!
So give me a slice of converted grass, 2 inches thick, rare, and
sometimes known as a top sirloin steak, please.

It has been suggested by some anthropologists that it was critical
to our development as humans to figure out to hunt. Meat has a
much higher energy content than vegetables and grains, meaning
that adding meat to the diet gave those hunters more energy
to do other things like think up ways to make fire, weapons,
and eventually much more, and allowed them the TIME to do those
things as well. If you had to eat an exclusively vegetarian
diet without the benefit of farms, grocery stores, or 7-11,
the primitive way, you would spend all of your time browsing
for edibles. It would take up most of your time since the food
value of such a diet is low, pound for pound. You'd eat a lot
to keep your reserves up.

But then again, too much is not a good thing. It's pretty
obvious that we as a society are getting far too fat for
our own good, and it's partly due to the ready availability
of too much meat and fat, especially in fast foods. These
people would benefit from grazing for veggies a couple of
hours a day!

CJ

Mark Kleinhaut

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Jul 20, 2001, 2:12:44 PM7/20/01
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Colin Cotter <colin....@ic.ac.uk> wrote:
>I'm sure you'll be able to tell us all which proteins, vitamins and minerals
I'm
>missing then! Actually I may be an exception to your rule, being a vegetarian
>who actually likes vegetables...
>
How can you eat them then if you actually "like" them:) Who was it that
said, "if God hadn't meant for man to eat animals he wouldn't have made them
taste so good"?

broy

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Jul 20, 2001, 2:51:24 PM7/20/01
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along with the Jello advice, rub some kind of oil into the nails daily.
olive oil, Crisco, or any edible oil will suffice. dried out brittle
nails are the bane of fingerstyle guitarists and cause most of the
splits
and breakage.
regards, broy

Chris Johnson

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Jul 20, 2001, 6:48:08 PM7/20/01
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I thought it was, "If we're not supposed to eat animals, how
come they're made of meat?" :)

CJ

Greg clayton

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Jul 21, 2001, 1:32:44 AM7/21/01
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I've tried all the nail hardeders on the market[salley hansen etc]as I'm
plagued with very thin nails[as are my dad and so was his dad] thyey all
helped to some degree but I was always going back and forth from just pick
to nails and back to pick untill a nail greww back.
a few months ago a waitress at a gig I was on showed me her nails
with an acrylic coat and I went to the salon the next day. It's great and
in my case gives the best sound I've ever had from nails and is virtually
indestructable I highly recommend it !!
Greg C


Gordon 101

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Jul 21, 2001, 1:46:16 AM7/21/01
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Al; I have never had very good nails. 15 years ago I began taking organic
silica and although they never got thicker or harder they are now more durable
and seldom tear or break. Supposed to help with calcium assimilation.. I'm 50+
and have more hair with no graying than younger siblings and close relatives
as well? Cheap enough to. Gordo

broy

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Jul 21, 2001, 2:12:03 PM7/21/01
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Yeah Greg i tried both the hardeners and the acrylic nail salon
coatings. i found that after a few days, my real nail and the applied
material would separate right at the nail tip and would give the effect
of two picks and also a grating sound. i gave up and am now back to my
natural nails with gelatin supplement and applying edible oil to the
nails as i mentioned in another post on this NG.
it might be a good idea for others to try the acrylic coatings and it
just might work for them.
regards, broy

Max Leggett

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Jul 21, 2001, 2:23:32 PM7/21/01
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I tried everything, including Player's Nails when I had a serious
break, but the only thing that worked was careful filing and shaping
of the nails. File every day to make sure there are no nicks, and
shape the nail for strength. A classical gtr teacher can show you the
best way and shape to file. I used to use a diamond grit nailfile and
2 grades of extremely fine emery paper.

Colin Cotter

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Jul 23, 2001, 6:57:45 AM7/23/01
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> But then again, too much is not a good thing. It's pretty
> obvious that we as a society are getting far too fat for
> our own good, and it's partly due to the ready availability
> of too much meat and fat, especially in fast foods. These
> people would benefit from grazing for veggies a couple of
> hours a day!

That's the thing. I'm a vegetarian purely for dietary reasons.

Colin Cotter

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Jul 23, 2001, 6:59:31 AM7/23/01
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> Don't bother with gelitin supplements, etc. imho. You might want to
> estimate how much calcium you're getting in your diet. Also, you need
> vitamin D to absorb the calcium.

I agree - this is correct.

Bill Fender

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Jul 23, 2001, 9:55:25 PM7/23/01
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Cosmetic counters offer a product called Hoof Builder that was intended to
toughen horse hooves but was discovered by manicurists to strengthen
fingernails. Also seems to stimulate fingernail growth. Costs about
$4/pint.

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duffy doherty

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Jul 24, 2001, 4:43:22 PM7/24/01
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Vegetarian or not, drink plenty of whole milk, and get out into the sun
often........(I often use my fingernails for a screwdriver)

Duffy


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matthew hooley

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Jul 24, 2001, 6:52:48 PM7/24/01
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wtf? vegans...i can smell you guys from a mile away...your brainwashed
you know it...damn new-age invironmentalist...protesting to let mf'in
girls in the boy scouts...freikin gay...

~matthew hooley
true truth
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Colin Cotter

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Jul 25, 2001, 4:22:25 AM7/25/01
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I can lift a dump truck with mine.

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Tom Walls

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Jul 25, 2001, 8:40:15 AM7/25/01
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In article <33cd2a08.01072...@posting.google.com>,
matthew...@hotmail.com says...
Where's that "kill file"? Ah there it is -- this newsreader calls it a
"bozo bin". <PLONK>
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Bob Russell

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in article MPG.15c888375...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu, Tom Walls
at tw...@REMOVEcornell.edu wrote on 7/25/01 8:40 AM:

> Where's that "kill file"? Ah there it is -- this newsreader calls it a
> "bozo bin". <PLONK>

I wondered if I was the only one......
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duffy doherty

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Jul 28, 2001, 9:53:25 PM7/28/01
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That's funny.....Thanks for the chuckle.......Lol!

Duffy

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EHHackney

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Aug 4, 2001, 11:53:10 AM8/4/01
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I've tried a bunch of things and have settled on the "James Taylor" method.
(He mentioned it in an article in a magazine some time ago - don't remember
which one.) You spread a little superglue on the very tip of your nail (Taylor
somehow uses the back of a dinner plate) then dip it in the acrylic nail powder
used for acrylic nails. It strengthens the tip, but leaves the rest of the
nail alone. Then you shape, sand and polish to get what you want. It
eventually comes of and I have to patch a nail or two every several days, but
it's no big deal.

I gave up on the "professional" acrylic nails 'cause I couldn't go more than
about a week without having one start to come off. Also, since they sand your
nail before the acrylic, when the artificial nail comes off there isn't much
left of your natural nail. Once you quit the professional nails, in fact, you
have to let almost the entire nail grow out before you get back to what you
started with.

Robby

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Aug 4, 2001, 1:05:40 PM8/4/01
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Pierre Bensusan explains a superglue nail method in his big guitar book too.
I'd be very concerned about superglue's toxicity, especially if using it
alot. Missed the start of this thread, but i'd guess diet is a big factor.


Tom Walls

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Aug 6, 2001, 9:59:05 AM8/6/01
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In article <9kh9j5$85b$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>, rob...@UNSPAMjavanet.com
says...

> Pierre Bensusan explains a superglue nail method in his big guitar book too.
> I'd be very concerned about superglue's toxicity, especially if using it
> alot. Missed the start of this thread, but i'd guess diet is a big factor.
>
>
>

Pierre Bensusan has a book? Is it all DADGAD or traditional tuning also?

Paul Sanwald

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Aug 6, 2001, 1:15:37 PM8/6/01
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Chris Johnson <cmjo...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message news:<3B583EF2...@cfl.rr.com>...

> I've noticed that people who don't eat much meat are more likely
> to suffer from soft nails than those who consider cows to be
> a valid food source. If you like meat, it's a reasonable
> excuse to have steak for dinner a little more often!
>

I haven't noticed this at all, for the record. I have very strong
nails and don't touch meat.



> If you're a rabid vegetarian (or should that be RABBIT vegetarian??)
> then you should consider dietary supplements like, as mentioned by
> others, vitamin D and maybe some jello for collagen.
>

in my experience, entirely unecessary.

> (However, an exclusively vegetarian diet is unsound for humans from
> a scientific perspective. Complete nutrition is difficult to achieve
> that way and some vegetarians have come up with some unusual disorders
> as a result of incomplete nutrition.)
>

must ..... resist .... must .... not ..... start ...... flame war
.......

whew, that was close.

--paul

Paul Sanwald

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Aug 6, 2001, 1:29:56 PM8/6/01
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I'd love to argue with you about this, but don't have the time, and
since this isn't rec.food.veg and therefore your post is ridiculously
off-topic, I won't bother.

suffice it to say that it's far more constructive to worry about your
own health than to make snide comments about other people's choices
about what they eat. people make all types of choices about their diet
for all types of reasons. it's really not that hard to see that.

--paul

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Paul Sanwald

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Aug 6, 2001, 1:32:35 PM8/6/01
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yup, it's times like these I wish google had a killfile option.

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Tom Lippincott

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Aug 6, 2001, 5:02:38 PM8/6/01
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>> (However, an exclusively vegetarian diet is unsound for humans from
>> a scientific perspective. Complete nutrition is difficult to achieve
>> that way and some vegetarians have come up with some unusual disorders
>> as a result of incomplete nutrition.)
>>
>
>must ..... resist .... must .... not ..... start ...... flame war
>.......
>
>whew, that was close.
>
>--paul

easy, Paul, I'm right there with ya.

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Lawson Stone

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Aug 14, 2001, 11:29:53 AM8/14/01
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in article 3B5C0329...@ic.ac.uk, Colin Cotter at colin....@ic.ac.uk

wrote on 07/23/2001 10:57 AM:

>
> That's the thing. I'm a vegetarian purely for dietary reasons.

So you're not like the guy I heard about who was a vegetarian because he
HATED PLANTS?

Sorry, just had to throw that in.

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in article 20010806170238...@ng-cj1.aol.com, Tom Lippincott at

tomli...@aol.comnospam wrote on 08/06/2001 9:02 PM:

>>> (However, an exclusively vegetarian diet is unsound for humans from
>>> a scientific perspective. Complete nutrition is difficult to achieve
>>> that way and some vegetarians have come up with some unusual disorders
>>> as a result of incomplete nutrition.)
>>>
>>
>> must ..... resist .... must .... not ..... start ...... flame war
>> .......
>>
>> whew, that was close.
>>
>> --paul
>
> easy, Paul, I'm right there with ya.

So did we ever hear about ways to strengthen our nails?

Colin Cotter

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Aug 15, 2001, 3:59:18 AM8/15/01
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Yeah that's right - I hate their little roots and their smug little leaves
;-)

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Max Leggett

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Aug 15, 2001, 11:57:53 AM8/15/01
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>Yeah that's right - I hate their little roots and their smug little leaves
>;-)

It's their sanctimonmious chlorophyl that gets on my case.

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