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Ed Bickert - '60s Tele : radius-fretbaoard

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blackcat

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Dec 24, 2009, 6:30:11 AM12/24/09
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Do we assume that since Ed Bickert and maybe ( eg ) Ted Greene were
playing '60s Teles (?) that they routinely worked with 7.5" ( as
opposed to flatter, more modern specs ) fretboards?

Blackcat

Phil T

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Dec 24, 2009, 6:50:58 AM12/24/09
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I would assume so. Joey Goldstein might know otherwise though.

Joey Goldstein

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Dec 24, 2009, 12:51:23 PM12/24/09
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I believe that you are correct.
The fret wire is also thinner on those necks compared to modern Tele necks.

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blackcat

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Dec 25, 2009, 3:33:09 AM12/25/09
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Joey,

Any implications for/clues to his playing style therefore?

Blackcat

Joey Goldstein

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Dec 25, 2009, 1:16:07 PM12/25/09
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I don't follow the question.
For clues to his playing style go buy some of his records and figure out
what he played.

Tim McNamara

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Dec 25, 2009, 10:02:24 PM12/25/09
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In article <a965$4b350165$adceee72$41...@PRIMUS.CA>,
Joey Goldstein <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote:

> blackcat wrote:
> > On Dec 24, 6:51 pm, Joey Goldstein <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> >> blackcat wrote:
> >>> Do we assume that since Ed Bickert and maybe ( eg ) Ted Greene
> >>> were playing '60s Teles (?) that they routinely worked with 7.5"
> >>> ( as opposed to flatter, more modern specs ) fretboards? Blackcat
> >> I believe that you are correct. The fret wire is also thinner on
> >> those necks compared to modern Tele necks.
> >>

> > Joey,
> >
> > Any implications for/clues to his playing style therefore?
> >
> > Blackcat
>
> I don't follow the question.

I think the implication was that the feel of the neck due to the radius
and frets would somehow impact what Ed played. I'm not sure why.

> For clues to his playing style go buy some of his records and figure
> out what he played.

Back to fundamentals.

There are some transcriptions of Ed's playing out on the interwebs, too,
but I never get anywhere near as much from that sort of thing as just
listening to the records and hearing what's happening (to the best of my
limited abilities, anyway).

drthoma...@gmail.com

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Dec 25, 2009, 10:10:07 PM12/25/09
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On Dec 25, 9:02 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> In article <a965$4b350165$adceee72$4...@PRIMUS.CA>,

>  Joey Goldstein <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > blackcat wrote:
> > > On Dec 24, 6:51 pm, Joey Goldstein <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> > >> blackcat wrote:
> > >>> Do we assume that since Ed Bickert and maybe ( eg ) Ted Greene
> > >>> were playing '60s Teles (?) that they routinely worked with 7.5"
> > >>> ( as opposed to flatter, more modern specs ) fretboards? Blackcat
> > >> I believe that you are correct. The fret wire is also thinner on
> > >> those necks compared to modern Tele necks.
>
> > > Joey,
>
> > > Any implications for/clues to his playing style therefore?
>
> > > Blackcat
>
> > I don't follow the question.
>
> I think the implication was that the feel of the neck due to the radius
> and frets would somehow impact what Ed played.  I'm not > sure why.

Ed could bang two rocks together and make beautiful music.


> > For clues to his playing style go buy some of his records and figure
> > out what he played.
>
> Back to fundamentals.  
>
> There are some transcriptions of Ed's playing out on the interwebs, too,
> but I never get anywhere near as much from that sort of thing as just
> listening to the records and hearing what's happening (to the best of my
> limited abilities, anyway).

Me too. It's easier to take it in by ear than to read it, for me
anyway. Especially chordal stuff.

Jim Soloway

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Dec 25, 2009, 11:30:58 PM12/25/09
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In the case of Ted Green, I spoke to him about that exact topic
several years ago and the answer is a very definite yes. His Tele had
a vintage radius and he considered that curve essential to his left
hand comfort.

blackcat

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Dec 26, 2009, 5:48:20 AM12/26/09
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That is what I was trying to get at - sorry if I was a little
ambiguous!

Blackcat

7/4

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Dec 26, 2009, 10:10:46 PM12/26/09
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There's a list of his guitars in the new Ted Greene bio.

Teles listed:

'54 Esquire.
'76, '53, '51, '52 Teles.


http://biink.com

Russ

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Dec 26, 2009, 11:49:37 PM12/26/09
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On Dec 24, 3:30 am, blackcat <blackc...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

Remember, a lot of the time, during a refret many will do a little
planing of the fingerboard to flatten the radius somewhat. You can
also achieve a similar effect when leveling the frets, as long as you
have enough material to work with.

Tim McNamara

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Dec 27, 2009, 11:53:24 AM12/27/09
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In article
<35cbf55f-f6d5-49bf...@h2g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
"7/4" <microto...@gmail.com> wrote:

When Fender did the '52 reissue, they reportedly consulted with Ted
about it and used his guitar as one of the models for the design.

Max Smith

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Dec 28, 2009, 7:35:47 PM12/28/09
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On Dec 26, 11:49 pm, Russ <russ.bkitc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Remember, a lot of the time, during a refret many will do a little
> planing of the fingerboard to flatten the radius somewhat. You can
> also achieve a similar effect when leveling the frets, as long as you
> have enough material to work with.

If you're not doing a lot of bending (like Bickert and most other
straight-ahead jazzers) the curved radius is very comfortable as it
conforms more to the natural curve of the fingers.

Max S.

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