OT. Kennedy Day.
Pt
Many of you were too young, or not around yet, to appreciate this guy.
I was a teenager when he got in office.
Up until Kennedy came along the American youth was considered as low
life.
Punks, trouble makers and slaves to their families.
Kids had absolutely nothing to say about anything.
"Be seen and not heard".
Kennedy promoted the American youth.
He created youth programs.
He got everyone interested in fitness and jogging.
He got the kids out of the dark ages by telling parents of the
importance of teaching their children.
Rather than ignoring them and simply using them.
He made me feel useful.
He gave me a future.
For the only time in my life I liked a politician.
There was a song by the Byrds called: "He was a friend of mine" about
President Kennedy.
President Kennedy was a friend to the youth of this country.
I remember the day he was killed well.
It hurt me just as much as if someone killed my parents.
I looked up to him and I felt safe.
When he was gone it destroyed that faith that young people had in
their government.
Which became justified shortly after his death.
Pt
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Like "Pt 109" I wish all the Kennedy lovers would
get torpedoed and sink.
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"Pt" <P...@home.com> wrote in message
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Rick Del Savio
early. I clearly recall watching the funeral on TV. Seeing my mom, an
Irish Catholic lady, crying. I was 6. Now I know what 40 years looks
like. Cheers, RDS
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>Like "Pt 109" I wish all the Kennedy lovers would
>get torpedoed and sink.
>
Hell hath no fury, huh Marilyn... Or was that Dick - your head seems to be
stuck where the sun don't shine..
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Direct hit on "Jurupari"
Oh how I love the drunken Irish.
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Jurupari
Hey, don't hit on me, I'm with her!
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"Jurupari" <juru...@aol.com> wrote in message
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juand
the next day, very far away from USA, when I was playing with other
children and heard to the milkman say : "Kennedy has been murdered". I
did'nt kown who was JFK but I noticed that people were sad listenning to
that terrible new.
Juand
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Jurupari
keep at it, you'll get there..
Pat Smith
It is hard to imagine now, but at that time he was a hero to every kid I
knew. I was in Washington DC the year before on a family vacation and we
saw JFK in a parade. It was while school was in sesion so I was the only
kid around and I remember him leaning down and waving at me. It was
rather like getting blessed by Jesus. We know now that he had his flaws,
but we didn't know it then.
I think Bill Clinton has a shot at being as popular as JFK, if only he
could have kept his zipper zipped.
fl...@comcast.net
<rain...@optonline.net> wrote:
>Hi Pt. I was in first grade on Nov. 22 1963. The nuns sent us home
>early. I clearly recall watching the funeral on TV. Seeing my mom, an
>Irish Catholic lady, crying. I was 6. Now I know what 40 years looks
>like. Cheers, RDS
>
Rick,
I have a very similar recollection. I was in first grade also, went to
Catholic school, etc. I remember going to a special mass that night.
I also remember watching all the coverage on TV and seeing Oswald
shot.
It's strange. For much of my life, all my friends and associates grew
up in the same era. But many of my colleagues and musicians I play
with now are much younger, yet I still have this assumption that
EVERYONE remembers the JFK assasination. I run into people who can't
identify Lee Harvey Oswald in a photograph and it blows me away.
Frank
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Ever seen Oliver Stones' "JFK"? It brings me right back. Truly. Take
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Max Leggett
<rain...@optonline.net> wrote:
>Hi Frank. Yeah, especially if it's the 're-touched' photo of Oswald.
>Ever seen Oliver Stones' "JFK"? It brings me right back. Truly. Take
>care, Rick
fl...@comcast.net
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 02:47:41 GMT, mleg...@nospam.ca (Max Leggett)
wrote:
Yup, that's the one I actually had in mind. I showed that to some
bandmates and got no reaction. They were like "What's that?"
Greger Hoel
>
>On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 02:47:41 GMT, mleg...@nospam.ca (Max Leggett)
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 01:28:52 GMT, Rick Del Savio
>><rain...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Frank. Yeah, especially if it's the 're-touched' photo of Oswald.
>>>Ever seen Oliver Stones' "JFK"? It brings me right back. Truly. Take
>>>care, Rick
>>
>>http://www.slideguitar.com/guitstuff/oswald.html
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>>
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>
>Yup, that's the one I actually had in mind. I showed that to some
>bandmates and got no reaction. They were like "What's that?"
Somewhat morbid, isn't it? Still a funny picture, though, I'll admit.
What really happened that day in Dallas can be seen in detail in ace
British TV series Red Dwarf.
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friends of mine were being killed in Viet Nam.
The man was a degenerate.
The whole family are a bunch of drunken degenerates.
Bobby went after Hoffa with a vengeance, but if it wasn't for the
Chicago Mafia JFK would never have been president.
How many dates do you have ????
P.S. You photography sucks.
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Rick Del Savio
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Myth
"." <I_hate_spam@spam_no_more.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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> While JFK was in the White House smoking dope with Marilyn,
> friends of mine were being killed in Viet Nam.
> The man was a degenerate.
> The whole family are a bunch of drunken degenerates.
> Bobby went after Hoffa with a vengeance, but if it wasn't for the
> Chicago Mafia JFK would never have been president.
> How many dates do you have ????
>
> P.S. You photography sucks.
>
> .
Look, you can go into their personal lives and find what you see as morally
reprehensive, I find that a bit irrelevant.
Every leader, with very very few exeptions, has had to do things in the
hustling for power that you could hold against them.
Every leader, with very very few exeptions, has discovered that power is an
afrodisiac (sp ?), and have a big sexdrive. Nixon didn't have that as far as
I know, is he your favourite president ?
What I find important is what impact a leader has in the big picture
As in the Cuban crisis. Krustjev (DK spelling) tried to smuggle those
missiles into Cuba which *would* have been the start of WW3, Kennedy called
him on it, didn't cave, and IMO saved us all.
As in civil rights, JFK, and especially Bobby *did* give a lot of people a
feeling that there was a chance for a change, and changes were made, maybe
not to the extent that society changed, but still...
As for Vietnam, JFK didn't want it. He partly inherited it, and was tricked
by the military-industrial complex to get further sucked in. I don't buy all
of Oliver Stones' theories, but I do think that was part of what got him,
and his brother killed.
Now you're properbly not gonna change one iota, just because some Danish
bleeding-heart-liberal-communist-hippie tries to tell you something about
your country, but I know for a fact that a lot of people over still here
find Kennedy as an example that not all American presidents a hardboiled
rednecks or fumbling golfplaying stringpuppets. Sorry about the last bit,but
it's the truth. I usually don't participate in US-bashing, but this,
anonymos, is a sorry example of distortion of history that I find impossible
not to counter.
The Kennedy brothers were trying to adress some of the wrongs, and they paid
for it
I'll end my pontifical pontifications by stating that I will not participate
in this flame any further, it really IMO doesn't belong in this usually
well-tempered ng.
Take care,
Tom
Jurupari
>> >Sorry, I don't do thirteen year old comebacks.
>>
>> keep at it, you'll get there..
>Ya mamma.
well, close, ten year-old's comeback but you can have a mulligan since you love
the Irish so much.
Have another dose of revisionist history tonic and slither on up to the
keyboard.
Don't trip over any Agnews Packwoods or Millses on the way up, and don't take
another Nixon in your diaper or there'll be a timeout.
Rick Del Savio
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Bob R
rain...@optonline.net wrote on 11/23/03 9:38 AM:
> You seem upset about something. RDS
>
> "." wrote:
Lighten up - he's having his "."
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Max Leggett
>in article 3FC0C6D1...@optonline.net, Rick Del Savio at
>rain...@optonline.net wrote on 11/23/03 9:38 AM:
>
>> You seem upset about something. RDS
>>
>> "." wrote:
>
>Lighten up - he's having his "."
I've been thinking that 'jamrag' might be a better nom de web for him
to hide behind, that being a succint summation of his evident
intellectual wherewithal.
Jurupari
you were funnier with a punctuation mark than I was with two paragraphs!
...d'ya think it might secretly be Jello Biafra? I mean post op TS of course,
per the "."
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Kennedy put us there.
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> Huh!?! Nixon kept us there way past the "due-date" for political reasons.
i know, i will be unheard but this is soooooooooo Off Topic here and of no
interest to me whatsoever.. I want to read about jazz guitar not
US-american politics..
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>
> Look, you can go into their personal lives and find what you see as
morally
> reprehensive, I find that a bit irrelevant.
Like Bill Clinton's multiple charges of sexual harassment and rape?
> Every leader, with very very few exeptions, has had to do things in the
> hustling for power that you could hold against them.
So you don't hold it against Bush for stealing the election?
> Every leader, with very very few exeptions, has discovered that power is
an
> afrodisiac (sp ?), and have a big sexdrive. Nixon didn't have that as far
as
> I know, is he your favourite president ?
People love Kennedy only because he was handsome.
If JFK looked like Nixon but still did all the same things
nobody would remember him.
> What I find important is what impact a leader has in the big picture
Ronald Reagan broke the back of communism.
> As in the Cuban crisis. Krustjev (DK spelling) tried to smuggle those
> missiles into Cuba which *would* have been the start of WW3, Kennedy
called
> him on it, didn't cave, and IMO saved us all.
Maybe if JFK wasn't spending so much time screwing and smoking dope in the
white House,
we wouldn't have had a missile crisis.
> As in civil rights, JFK, and especially Bobby *did* give a lot of people a
> feeling that there was a chance for a change, and changes were made, maybe
> not to the extent that society changed, but still...
Where are the black Kennedys?
> As for Vietnam, JFK didn't want it. He partly inherited it, and was
tricked
> by the military-industrial complex to get further sucked in. I don't buy
all
> of Oliver Stones' theories, but I do think that was part of what got him,
> and his brother killed.
Nobody outside of the government knows why they were killed.
My guess is the double crossed the wrong people too many times.
> Now you're properbly not gonna change one iota, just because some Danish
> bleeding-heart-liberal-communist-hippie tries to tell you something about
> your country, but I know for a fact that a lot of people over still here
> find Kennedy as an example that not all American presidents a hardboiled
> rednecks or fumbling golfplaying stringpuppets. Sorry about the last
bit,but
> it's the truth. I usually don't participate in US-bashing, but this,
> anonymos, is a sorry example of distortion of history that I find
impossible
> not to counter.
Have you changed an iota? What makes you think I am a conservative?
I happen to be a registered Democrate.
> The Kennedy brothers were trying to adress some of the wrongs, and they
paid
> for it
You don't know why they were killed. Only the people who killed them know
why.
> I'll end my pontifical pontifications by stating that I will not
participate
> in this flame any further, it really IMO doesn't belong in this usually
> well-tempered ng.
>
I agree, but i still hate the Kennedys.
> Take care,
>
> Tom
>
Take care.
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Pt
political debate.
Even though we all don't agree politically we all were hurt by the
loss of a Persident.
I am a Viet Vet and I did what I had to do.
I can't and won't blame any president for what the vets suffered.
It was indeed a political war but not necessarily created or continued
by a president.
There are too many factors in politics to put the blame on one person.
As always "Money talks and bullshit walks".
Pt
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How many kids did you kill today.
The democrats love to forget that Viet Nam was a democrat war.
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MBR
> Hey, Hey LBJ
> How many kids did you kill today.
>
> The democrats love to forget that Viet Nam was a democrat war.
>
Nixon just about doubled the body count after he came into office;
even with his secret plan to end the war.
tomw
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Pat Smith
courageous to name call without giving your own name. Further, I don't
particularly like the drunken Irish reference as it is just another
silly stereotype.
And historically speaking although American troops were sent by Kennedy
and Johnson, there was certainly interest in what to do during Ike's
administration. And if Nixon had won the 1960 election what would he
have done? IMO US involvment in Viet Nam was the result of all the anti
communist attitude that came from the cold war.
Pt
I was there as were many other young guys who did not want to be
there.
We often had conversations on "Why were we there"?
Oddly enough the majority of us said "To stop the spread of
communism".
We need some excuse for being there and that was what was drummed
through our heads.
In time we all realized that communism had nothing to do with it.
Our only goal was to stay alive and go home.
It created a strong antitrust in our government that still hangs on
today.
Vietnam, like most wars, has nothing to do with saving the poor
helpless people of some strange country from annihilation by evil
forces.
It has to do with money.
Pt
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>I don't particularly like the drunken Irish reference as it is just another
> silly stereotype.
What's Irish and sits outside all summer long????
Patio furniture.
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Nam.
Kennedy had his good points yes, but if he were ugly like Nixon, if Jackie
looked like Barbara Bush would they be icons?
Robert MacNamarra said he knew the war was unwinnable by the Johnson
administration, yet they sent young men to the slaughter house.
You are showing your social class.
Wake up to the hero myth.
PS Thank you for defending America.
Pt
wrote:
>My point Pt is that you are idolizing the idiot who sent the sheep to Viet
>Nam.
>Kennedy had his good points yes, but if he were ugly like Nixon, if Jackie
>looked like Barbara Bush would they be icons?
>Robert MacNamarra said he knew the war was unwinnable by the Johnson
>administration, yet they sent young men to the slaughter house.
>You are showing your social class.
>Wake up to the hero myth.
>
>
>PS Thank you for defending America.
I believe that everyone is allowed their opinion.
That's one good thing about Democracy.
Pt
Jack A. Zucker
> I believe that everyone is allowed their opinion.
> That's one good thing about Democracy.
Agreed. And killfiles are one good thing about Outlook Express. :-)
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tomw
I_hate_spam@spam_no_more.com says...
> You are showing your social class.
And you are showing no class.
> PS Thank you for defending America.
Too little, too late.
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Go scratch your ass New York hillbilly.
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"tomw" <tw25R...@cornell.edu> wrote in message >
> And you are showing no class.
>