My new Marshall amp
Joe Finn
quality but I guess I can use it in the music room for the students to play
through during lessons.
As someone who has never played through a Marshall these are my questions:
1. How much is one of these worth?
2. What is "contour"?
3. What's the difference between "gain" and "volume" on the reverb channel?
4. Are there settings on the reverb channel that produce a decent clean
sound?
5. Why do the volume knobs only go up to "ten"?
uninitiated Marshall neophyte, ..........joe
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> I just acquired [long story] a new G30RCD Marshall..
one small step toward karmic justice
tomw
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> "Joe Finn" <J...@JoeFinn.net> wrote in message news:<3fcad...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> > I just acquired [long story] a new G30RCD Marshall..
>
> one small step toward karmic justice
>
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Tom Walls
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le...@nospam.com
> I just acquired [long story] a new G30RCD Marshall. It has a funny sound
> quality but I guess I can use it in the music room for the students to play
> through during lessons.
>
> As someone who has never played through a Marshall these are my questions:
>
> 1. How much is one of these worth?
> 2. What is "contour"?
> 3. What's the difference between "gain" and "volume" on the reverb channel?
> 4. Are there settings on the reverb channel that produce a decent clean
> sound?
> 5. Why do the volume knobs only go up to "ten"?
>
>
> uninitiated Marshall neophyte, ..........joe
>
>
>
You poor sheltered boy. That's not a Marshall.
S7343
Steve
Joe Finn
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Do tell. What is this thing? ........joe
Pt
>Where's PT's input?
>
>Steve
I'm here.
Made in Indonisia, Solid State, 30 watts.
That is NOT a Marshall amp.
It's probably a Crate that someone put a Marshall logo on.
If you have never played through a real Marshall you should try one.
You may like it.
Just be sure it has EL-34 power tubes.
Seriously.
That is not a bad little amp for Grunge, Hip Hop, Ska stuff.
If you like that sort of thing.
Your students should love it. :)
Pt
Pt
>1. How much is one of these worth?
Between $100 and $200
>2. What is "contour"?
Got me?????
>3. What's the difference between "gain" and "volume" on the reverb channel?
???
>4. Are there settings on the reverb channel that produce a decent clean
>sound?
It should get a good clean sound.
You got lots of knobs to play with.
Something should work.
>5. Why do the volume knobs only go up to "ten"?
That's a good question.
The gain control on my JCM 900 goes to 20 (really).
> uninitiated Marshall neophyte, ..........joe
You're still uninitated till you try a JMP Mk 2 or a Plexi.
It will change you forever.
Pt
thom_j
> It will change you forever.
> Pt
ya' just gotta' love those Marshalls 8^)... t.j.
kyser
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> I'm here.
> Made in Indonisia, Solid State, 30 watts.
> That is NOT a Marshall amp.
> It's probably a Crate that someone put a Marshall logo on.
That's" Indonesia".
Sorry to nitpick, but I thought they were made in INDIA (I know some of you
Yanks have a poor grasp of world geography), and are an "official" Marshall
design (NOT a relabelled generic) intended to provide an affordable entry to
the company's product line.
In fact, rather like Squier (made in Indonesia and PRC), and Fender
.........
The UK guitar magazine reviews I've seen reckon they're pretty good value
for the money.
Pt
wrote:
You know I do,
But Marshall stopped making real amps (except for reissues) in 1990.
Pt
Joe Finn
Pt: Thanks, my man. I appreciate the input. They actually gave me this amp
but I'm not sure I'll keep it. I played [practiced actually] through it for
two hours this morning. It has a ten inch speaker in an open back enclosure.
The reverb is a typical spring type unit that actually sounds pretty good.
It functions on both the clean channel and the so called "overdrive"
channel. The best clean sound is on the [duh...] "clean" channel.
As you suggested, this unit while clearly labeled *M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L*, does
indeed say "made in korea" on the rear panel.
They say never look a gift horse in the mouth, but I'll probably sell it or
give it to a worthy student. Thanks again. ................joe
kyser
news:3fcad...@corp.newsgroups.com...
quality but I guess I can use it in the music room for the students to play
through during lessons.
>
> As someone who has never played through a Marshall these are my questions:
>
> 1. How much is one of these worth?
No idea - I'm in Australia. It's their entry-level line, so not a lot ....
It's probably the predecessor (without digital effects) of this:
http://www.marshallamps.com/images/products/mg/mg30dfx.html
Some reviews here, but bear in mind most of the "reviewers" are spotty
15-year-olds and tone deaf!
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data/Marshall/G30RCD-01.html
> 2. What is "contour"?
I've got a Valvestate 8080, which is the UK-made solid state line, and
broadly similar, but better construction, speaker etc.
AFAIK, "contour" is a midrange/shelving control - ie it can "scoop" the
midrange for the grunge sound beloved by some "yoof". Play with it, it's
quite effective.
> 3. What's the difference between "gain" and "volume" on the reverb
channel?
It's actually the overdrive channel. Gain sets preamp gain for
overload/distortion, Volume sets overall output. These act, and can be set
independently of Volume on the clean channel for different sounds, or as a
boost for solos.
> 4. Are there settings on the reverb channel that produce a decent clean
sound?
Possibly not, it's really designed for overdrive. Try setting Gain very
low, Volume up, and work the gain up from there until it starts to distort,
then back off a bit.
Also, play with the tone controls. Marshalls have a fairly distinctive
voicing (cf Fender), and the active tone controls have a LOT of boost/cut,
and interaction. Experiment!
> 5. Why do the volume knobs only go up to "ten"?
LOL - did you expect "Spinal Tap"?
Personally, I like 'em. I hate that trebly Fender "ice pick" sound. I've
got a VS8080 (solid state, 80W, a few years old) and a JTM-60 (all tube,
60W, great clean channel and reverb), and no-one has ever complained about
"my" sound. 8^)
Pt
>Pt: Thanks, my man. I appreciate the input. They actually gave me this amp
>but I'm not sure I'll keep it. I played [practiced actually] through it for
>two hours this morning. It has a ten inch speaker in an open back enclosure.
>
>The reverb is a typical spring type unit that actually sounds pretty good.
>It functions on both the clean channel and the so called "overdrive"
>channel. The best clean sound is on the [duh...] "clean" channel.
>
>As you suggested, this unit while clearly labeled *M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L*, does
>indeed say "made in korea" on the rear panel.
>
>They say never look a gift horse in the mouth, but I'll probably sell it or
>give it to a worthy student. Thanks again. ................joe
My pleasure Joe.
Please don't judge Marshall amps by their solid state models.
A tube Marshall can sound beautiful playing jazz.
By the way.
James Seaberry (better known as 'the knee') plays through a solid
state Marshall.
Don't know what model but his New Yorker sounds great through it.
Pt
LarryV
true Marshall in spirit :) From their web site:
EQ CONTOUR control
This highly effective tone control works by
radically modifying the mid-range (body). The
tone can range from traditional and woody
sounding (setting at 10), to balls-to-the-wall
(setting at midway), to aggressive, ‘scooped'
and modern (setting at 0)…and all points in-between.
The Gain control adjusts the amount of overdrive, while the volume
controls the level. So if you want more clean, turn the gain down, if
you want more distortion, turn the gain up - use the volume control to
set the output level.
At least this is how I read it.
You need the G30RCDST (SpinalTap) mod if you need the volume knobs to
go beyond 10.
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Joe Finn
"LarryV" <lar...@rcn.com> wrote in message
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> I think these are lower priced solid state Marshalls. Not really a
> true Marshall in spirit :) From their web site:
>
> EQ CONTOUR control
> This highly effective tone control works by
> radically modifying the mid-range (body). The
> tone can range from traditional and woody
> sounding (setting at 10), to balls-to-the-wall
> (setting at midway), to aggressive, 'scooped'
>
> The Gain control adjusts the amount of overdrive, while the volume
> controls the level. So if you want more clean, turn the gain down, if
> you want more distortion, turn the gain up - use the volume control to
> set the output level.
> At least this is how I read it.
>
> You need the G30RCDST (SpinalTap) mod if you need the volume knobs to
> go beyond 10.
Thanks, Larry. That's very helpful.
That gag about the Nigel Tufnell amp that goes up to "11" still cracks me
up. That shit is too ooooo funny! 8-) .....joe
Joe Finn
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Kyser: Thanks very much for all the useful insights. I appreciate your
taking the time to respond.
I just spent another two hours practicing through this amp. I definitely
prefer the clean channel. The reverb works on both channels. You are
correct; it is not possible to get a clean sound on the overdrive channel.
Still, it's a good size for a practice amp so I'll hang on to it for now.
I'm pretty sure one of the students will want it sooner or later.
Thanks again ..........joe
Pt
>Kyser: Thanks very much for all the useful insights. I appreciate your
>taking the time to respond.
>
>I just spent another two hours practicing through this amp. I definitely
>prefer the clean channel. The reverb works on both channels. You are
>correct; it is not possible to get a clean sound on the overdrive channel.
>Still, it's a good size for a practice amp so I'll hang on to it for now.
>I'm pretty sure one of the students will want it sooner or later.
>
>Thanks again ..........joe
The newer amps have so many adjustments and combinations of
adjustments that finding a good sound can take considerable time.
When and if you do find a sound you like be sure to write it all down
so you can find it again.
You just might find that sweet spot and fall in love with it.
Pt
kyser
> Kyser: Thanks very much for all the useful insights. I appreciate your
taking the time to respond.
>
> I just spent another two hours practicing through this amp. I definitely
prefer the clean channel. The reverb works on both channels. You are
correct; it is not possible to get a clean sound on the overdrive channel.
> Still, it's a good size for a practice amp so I'll hang on to it for now.
> I'm pretty sure one of the students will want it sooner or later.
>
> Thanks again ..........joe
Hi Joe: Glad to be of assistance.
If you bear in mind that it's a practice amp biased in favour of modern (ie
overdrive) sounds, and not clean/jazz, I'd imagine it's not a bad little
amp.
AFAIK, Marshall design the MG series in the UK (ie, as I said earlier, it's
NOT a generic amp dressed to look like a Marshall) and they're built in
India or Asia to keep the price down.
I've just bought a Roland Cube 30 as a practice amp (partly because of very
positive comments on this NG, and elsewhere) which I'm very happy with, and
it's almost certainly better for clean sounds - the clean channel is voiced
like their JC-series amps - but I'd imagine it's rather more expensive than
your Marshall.
Horses for courses, I guess.
Cheers, David.
le...@nospam.com
says...
Some of the 800 series are really JMP MK 2s but I forget which mod
numbers, I think 2204 or 05. You can get them for quite a bit less and
it's an easy mod on some other Marshalls to take them back to the JMP MK2
state. Can save you some bucks for a nice amp. Be sure to look for EL34
power tubes but this is not that hard of a mod either from 6550s.