Comping
Adam Bravo
just copy the background figures? What if I can't figure them out or play
all of them?
Joey Goldstein
In Freeflight, the big band I play in, if the backrounds get too busy or
dense I'll just lay out. Backgrounds are essentially a form of comping.
Just like it's hard to get a guitar and piano comping at the same time
to work it's hard to get busy BG's plus anyone else comping to work.
When they're not so busy I try to play in the cracks and get a sort of a
3 way counterpoint between the soloist, me and the BG's. In an older
style you can always resort back to Freddie Green style.
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Jim Trousdale
distributed between the two as good taste/your ear dictates. But when you
play them depends on what kind of music.
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Mark Smythe
Straight piano is great because you can get away with lots of things. Spread
out the chord and you dont necessarily have to play every note of the chord
either. You may want to lay off of the bass tone if the bass player is already
playing it.
Eddie S
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Awright, what does "comp" mean?
Ed
Joey Goldstein
To accompany. On guitar we often just mean chording in a general sense.
More specifically, comping is the kind of chording you use to back up a
singer or a soloist.
Joe Moore
need a lot. Some don't.
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Joe Finn
> It is short for "accompanying". You basically *support* the soloist. Some
> need a lot. Some don't.
>
Way back in the neolithic era I was taught that the term was short for
"compliment" with the idea being that you should try to accompany the lead
line [singer, soloist, etc.] in a complimentary and supportive fashion. It
generally means a sort of accompaniment pattern that is more like punctuation
than straight time. ...joe
Eddie S
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> To accompany. On guitar we often just mean chording in a general sense.
> More specifically, comping is the kind of chording you use to back up a
> singer or a soloist.
I've been playing for almost 30 years and have never heard the word
"accompany" shortened like that...
Ed
Mikeoutram
awful solos or complian or to function as compost or compromise by not playing
a solo
My fellow band mates offered me some musical advice the other day. Could you
please enlighten me as to the meaning of their 'jazz vernacular'....
'Man, you suck'
'Do you realise how ill your music make me feel'
'arrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhh stop the noise'
'please, no more, you've injured my cat'
Mike Outram
Website - <A HREF="http://www.mikeoutram.com">http://www.mikeoutram.com</A>
Joey Goldstein
Well it's been used for about 70 years.
Richard Huggins
circles, classical circles or most religious music circles, not because
there's anything wrong with it but just because it isn't used that way. It
is heard, though, in pop music, jazz, etc.
In my opinion, my favorite example of comping is what Ralph Sharon does
behind Tony Bennett. Sharon's been with him I think 25-30 years now, and
still plays oh so well. But it is comping at its best, wth Sharon adding
just the right decoration, just the right mood, just the right complexity
(or lack thereof) for the song and for the moment within the song. Give a
listen and you'll see. There are a bunch other good ones, of course, he's
just one of my favorites.
Richard
Tom Shaw
to rhythmic backing using only chords on the piano or guitar and there was
no element of ornamentation involved. You can still there this style on
many jazz records. So I always thought the term was very restrictive and
not applicable to the accompanying mentioned by Mr. Huggins. Just my two
cents.
TS
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Joe Moore
The accompanist is compliting the soloist. We hope.
JTG1
'lead guitar'"?
What a laugh.
Jon
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Bob Russell
Eddie S
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> I've been playing 3 months and hear it all the time.
Ya ya ya, whatever...
Ed
Richard Whitehouse
>> "Eddie S" <odrif...@remove.yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I've been playing for almost 30 years and have never heard the word
>> "accompany" shortened like that...
>> Ed
Ed, it's a jazz term, short for accompany.
Dick Schneiders
>>> I've been playing for almost 30 years and have never heard the word
>>> "accompany" shortened like that...
>>> Ed
Heck,
I live in Kansas and I even knew what the term meant.
Dick (of course, I am the Wizard) Schneiders
Tom Shaw
guitar in a band or combo. My recollection is that Adrian Rollini and Fred
Waring were the first combo and orchestra leaders to feature a guitar
soloist, respectively.
The Fred Waring guitar player was Les Paul. It wasn't so funny then.
TS
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Funkifized
accompaniment and composition. There should be some sort of melodic line to
promote interest and compliment what the soloist is playing. With some
soloists, trying to promote interest is a losing battle... ;-)
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crib
<< it's a jazz term, short for accompany. >>
...or "complement," if you really want to be tasteful.
crib
icarusi
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> Way back in the neolithic era I was taught that the term was short
for
> "compliment" with the idea being that you should try to accompany
the lead
> line [singer, soloist, etc.] in a complimentary and supportive
fashion. It
> generally means a sort of accompaniment pattern that is more like
punctuation
> than straight time. ...joe
Makes more sense to me, otherwise you could go back to the 'beat
group' days and just play 'rhythm guitar' rather than 'lead guitar' to
play accompaniment, although reduced to 'comping' also suggests that
relentless '4-to-the-bar' gypsy stuff.
Icarusi
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Question:
Am I "comping" Joey?
JTG1
(generally rockers) aspire to be "lead" players, thinking that was harder
(actually "more worthy of the attention of the opposite sex") than rhythm.
Nowadays I love finding new lines within a set of changes, and new voicings,
etc.
Jon
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of tickets to the matinee."
Jory
Eddie S
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> "Comping" used to be short for "complimentary" as in "I comped him a
couple
> of tickets to the matinee."
That was kind of my frame of reference, too...
Ed
Stan Gosnell
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>"Comping" used to be short for "complimentary" as in "I comped him a
>couple of tickets to the matinee."
Yeah, but that's a completely different frame of reference. Lots of words
have different meanings in different contexts.
Jim Trousdale
lead. The ones who could play lead were worshipped.
Eddie S
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I would think "comping" meant composition before I would think of
"accompany". The more I think about this, the less sense it makes to use
"comp" to mean "accompany". I mean, is it really so hard to add those two
extra syllables and five extra letters?
Ed
icarusi
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> I would think "comping" meant composition before I would think of
> "accompany". The more I think about this, the less sense it makes
to use
> "comp" to mean "accompany". I mean, is it really so hard to add
those two
> extra syllables and five extra letters?
Depends if you play 'gigs' through a PA, or 'engagements' through a
'public address system' (or personal assistant?) I suppose?
Tom Shaw
as in an opera singer, implies adhering to the sheet (if you can hack it
:-).
Comping is a jazz word.
TS
"RS" <midi...@tcol.net> wrote in message
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> icarusi <ica...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Depends if you play 'gigs' through a PA, or 'engagements' through a
> > 'public address system' (or personal assistant?) I suppose?
>
> comping....if I comp for an opera singer, they call it accompaniment.
> --
> Robert Steinberg
> MidiOpera Co.
> http://www.evcom.net/~midiopra
>
Joey Goldstein
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Eddie S
> I, for one, can not believe that people are still discussing this.
I can't explain it, but it just bothers me. I've been playing for thirty
years, and I feel like an idiot because I've never heard this term, normally
reserved for use by waitresses who get after-hour meals for free, used in a
musical context. I feel like I'm more of an expert on waiting tables than
music now. A 12-year-old starts a thread, and now I feel like an idiot!
Dammit!
Ed
Bob Russell
nos...@nowhere.net wrote on 2/25/01 8:54 PM:
> I, for one, can not believe that people are still discussing this.
>
> Tom Shaw wrote:
>>
>> I think comping implies improvising the accompaniment whereas accompanying,
>> as in an opera singer, implies adhering to the sheet (if you can hack it
>> :-).
>> Comping is a jazz word.
>> TS
>> "RS" <midi...@tcol.net> wrote in message
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>>> icarusi <ica...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Depends if you play 'gigs' through a PA, or 'engagements' through a
>>>> 'public address system' (or personal assistant?) I suppose?
>>>
>>> It's kinda funny....if I accompany a jazz saxophonist, they call it
>>> comping....if I comp for an opera singer, they call it accompaniment.
>>> --
>>> Robert Steinberg
>>> MidiOpera Co.
>>> http://www.evcom.net/~midiopra
>>>
Really. It's this simple. Jazz guys call it comping. C-O-M-P-I-N-G. You can
question that if you wish. While you're at it, ponder deeper questions. Like
why we park on driveways and drive on parkways. Or whether anyone's ever
seen a kit without the kaboodle. Or met a gruntled employee. Whatever.
-- Bob Russell
http://www.uncwil.edu/people/russellr
Bob Russell
odrif...@nospammy.yahoo.com wrote on 2/25/01 10:22 PM:
It'll be OK, Ed. Honest. Letting go is the first step. ;)
Eddie S
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can
> question that if you wish. While you're at it, ponder deeper questions.
Like
> why we park on driveways and drive on parkways. Or whether anyone's ever
> seen a kit without the kaboodle. Or met a gruntled employee. Whatever.
Or why an open door is "ajar", but on open jar isn't "adoor"?
Ed
icarusi
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> icarusi <ica...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
a
> > 'public address system' (or personal assistant?) I suppose?
>
> comping....if I comp for an opera singer, they call it
accompaniment.
I remember assessing the 'real' meaning of some terms with a classical
musician. We reckoned whatever 'troppo non molto' meant it had to be
done without the aid of a beer!
amoli...@visi-dot-com.com
People say and write "it's" in preference to "it is" despite
the fact that it saves 1 syllable and 1 keystroke. I bet you do, in
particular! People are incredibly lazy, linguistically ;)
Arlene Usui
wrote:
> People say and write "it's" in preference to "it is" despite
> the fact that it saves 1 syllable and 1 keystroke. I bet you do, in
> particular! People are incredibly lazy, linguistically ;)
It's so we can tell the androids from the humanoids.
arlene
Stan Gosnell
<3a9af445...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>:
>It's so we can tell the androids from the humanoids.
Aahh, so that's the difference! :-)