jazz drum practice tracks?
mylesja...@gmail.com
is there something that will play jazz drums at different tempos to
practice with? i've got the cd metronome stuff which is great and
exactly what i want except that they all end at about 2-3
minutes...not long enough if i want to record a bunch of comping
choruses to play along with.
biab with all the other instruments turned off seems to be the best
option right now, but mp3's i could access through itunes would be
much easier than opening the program, slowing down my computer,
clicking off the other instruments, etc.
ideally, what i want is something just like my metronome that i turn
on and off and can control the speed of with a dial...except that
instead of a click, it would have a swing setting, bossa/straight 8ths
setting, jazz waltz, and maybe 5 and 7 setting. i'm not familiar with
drum machines...would they do something like this (without hours of
programming)? i seem to recall that on those pat metheny lesson mp3's
that float around the internet, he turned on something exactly like
what i'm talking about...maybe it was a drum machine.
anyway, any ideas appreciated....
signed,
tired of the clicking
tonyde...@gmail.com
Come on Myles, you can come up with something more enigmatic than
that. This thread won't last that long, man.
-TD
mylesja...@gmail.com
> that. This thread won't last that long, man.
>
> -TD
just wait...about 8 posts in, somebody will mention that playing with
a metronome is much better for working on your time. somebody else
will argue that it leads to a stiff feel. 46 messages later, i still
won't really know what a drum machine does or if i want one...
myles
Keith Freeman
> practice with? i've got the cd metronome stuff which is great and
> exactly what i want except that they all end at about 2-3
> minutes...not long enough if i want to record a bunch of comping
> choruses to play along with.
Aeb's Good Time playalong includes 1 CD of all the tunes on just drums.
-Keith
Portable Changes, tips etc. at http://home.wanadoo.nl/keith.freeman/
e-mail only to keith DOT freeman AT orange DOT nl
Paul K
On 11/29/07 7:35 PM, in article
36003cd8-35a6-4f41...@b15g2000hsa.googlegroups.com,
"mylesja...@gmail.com" <mylesja...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm told you can make a good living playing jazz guitar in Cheyenne Wyoming.
Gigs every night.
Paul K
>
> myles
>
Paul K
On 11/29/07 7:35 PM, in article
36003cd8-35a6-4f41...@b15g2000hsa.googlegroups.com,
"mylesja...@gmail.com" <mylesja...@gmail.com> wrote:
There are such machines, eg Dr Beat
http://www.samedaymusic.com/prodsearch?form=search/ppc&cat=2384&cat2=2966 )
My multi effects pedal, which I use anyway when practicing, has a built in
drum machine
PK
mws...@insightbb.com
practice with as well as for performing:
http://www.marksmart.net/bands/jazzlooping/jazzlooping.html
Dunno if you can get this CD anymore, though.
If you play them inside some sample editor program, you can loop them
and change the speed. They sound pretty good. I have them loaded into
a couple of Boss RC-20 Loop Stations for performing. You can tap you
foot to change the tempo, but this makes a ride cymbal sound pretty
weird. I use the tap tempo for the bossa loops and loops with brushes,
but for the ride cymbal beats, I just have several loops at different
tempos.
Or if you had something like a Digitech JamMan, it's just like the
RC-20 except with WAY more slots to put drum beats into.
Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net
Dan Adler
The most famous one is CD Metronome:
mylesja...@gmail.com
>
> My multi effects pedal, which I use anyway when practicing, has a built in
> drum machine
>
> PK
that db-90 looks like it might work...i've been using the db-88 for a
few years, but it doesn't have any drum sounds. pretty expensive
though. says there are 2 jazz settings, but not what they
are...sticks and brushes? there's a bossa setting. anybody tried
one? if i could get a decent sounding swing, ballad, waltz, bossa,
5/4, and 7/4 out of it i'd be happy...i'm guessing it's not gonna do
that much.
anybody tried this? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-Dr.-Rhythm-DR3?sku=700510
looks like it might do what i want, but i'm clueless about these kinds
of gadgets. i'm guessing that will do what i want it to, but i'm
afraid it might take me 2 hours to figure out how to make it go spang-
a-lang.
thanks,
myles
mylesja...@gmail.com
thanks dan. that's what i've been using. problem is, they all end
after about 2 and half minutes....not enough if i want to record a
bunch of choruses of comping to practice over. thought i might be
able to loop it in itunes, but the tracks fade out at the end. they
also haven't released a bossa one yet.
myles
mylesja...@gmail.com
i'm thinking something like one of these might be what i'm looking for
if i can find one cheap on ebay. i'm just wondering if i'll be able
to easily turn it on, hit a button, and have it play a jazz beat, or
bossa, or jazz waltz, or whatever that I can then easily adjust the
tempo of. if it's basically a metronome that sounds like drums, then
that's what i want. if it's something that takes 3 hours of
programming, then that's definitely not what i want.
anybody know what these are actually meant for and if they will do
what I want? any better options? again, i'm hoping for swing,
ballad, bossa, 3/4, 5/4, and 7/4 with something that sounds more or
less like real drums (just so long as they at least sound as good as
BIAB). and i'm hoping that i'll be able to use it w/out a huge
learning curve, and ideally will be able to use it as easily as a
metronome. but i may be looking for something that doesn't exist.
thanks,
myles
Kevin
stopped using it once I got BIAB. There are only two jazz tracks and
I think one is in 5/4. To practice bossas, I had to use the latin
track which was a poor subsititue for a real bossa. Plus I had a lot
of problems with the volume of the tracks. The cymbals are too soft
and the bass too loud. I was never able to get the ratio right even
when I adjusted the treble and bass knobs on my speakers.
I believe BIAB has an export as mp3 feature. You could create the
drum only tracks, export as mp3s, and then burn them onto a cd to play
in your cd player. Maybe this would work.
tom walls
@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, mylesja...@gmail.com says...
>
> anybody tried this? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-Dr.-Rhythm-DR3?sku=700510
>
> looks like it might do what i want, but i'm clueless about these kinds
> of gadgets. i'm guessing that will do what i want it to, but i'm
> afraid it might take me 2 hours to figure out how to make it go spang-
> a-lang.
>
> thanks,
> myles
>
My guess is that it will take you two hours to program it and another
two hours to get sick of it.
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
tom walls
@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, mylesja...@gmail.com says...
>
> anybody tried this? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-Dr.-Rhythm-DR3?sku=700510
>
> looks like it might do what i want, but i'm clueless about these kinds
> of gadgets. i'm guessing that will do what i want it to, but i'm
> afraid it might take me 2 hours to figure out how to make it go spang-
> a-lang.
>
> thanks,
> myles
>
My guess is that it will take you two hours to program it and another
two hours to get sick of it.
OTOH, if you find something you like, PLEASE tell me.
tom walls
@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, mws...@insightbb.com says...
>
> Or if you had something like a Digitech JamMan, it's just like the
> RC-20 except with WAY more slots to put drum beats into.
>
> Mark Smart
> http://www.marksmart.net
>
How do you go about this, Mark?
Rick Ross
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<snipo>
> My guess is that it will take you two hours to program it and another
> two hours to get sick of it.
> --
> Tom Walls
> the guy at the Temple of Zeus
:) LOL!
tom
with that illuminating comment I am looking no further
you get the guiding light award for the day :)
Michael Standal
(in article
<257eaef9-0917-476b...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
I've got these drum loops from Drums On Demand
http://www.drumsondemand.com/volume6.html
They're an actual drummer playing - not a machine.
You can get them in .wav or .rex2 formats. The cool thing with the .rex2 (or
Acidized .wav) version is that it gives you some flexibility in tempo -
similar to Apple Loops. I use them in Logic but they would work in Garage
Band or any app that supports .rex2. And, they have different sections for
each song set, verse, chorus, solo, fill - there's even a set with swing and
latin sections ala Green Dolphin Street. But you can also just loop a groove
and jam. I like to use it in conjunction with BIAB - I'll generate a MID file
and load it into Logic, where I replace the crappy MIDI drums with the DOD
rex loops and send the bass part through Spectrasonics Trilogy. It actually
sounds and feels okay for a practice track.
Mike
Michael Quooss
> I've got these drum loops from Drums On Demand
>
> http://www.drumsondemand.com/volume6.html
>
> They're an actual drummer playing - not a machine.
>
> You can get them in .wav or .rex2 formats. The cool thing with the .rex2 (or
> Acidized .wav) version is that it gives you some flexibility in tempo -
> similar to Apple Loops. I use them in Logic but they would work in Garage
> Band or any app that supports .rex2. And, they have different sections for
> each song set, verse, chorus, solo, fill - there's even a set with swing and
> latin sections ala Green Dolphin Street. But you can also just loop a groove
> and jam. I like to use it in conjunction with BIAB - I'll generate a MID file
> and load it into Logic, where I replace the crappy MIDI drums with the DOD
> rex loops and send the bass part through Spectrasonics Trilogy. It actually
> sounds and feels okay for a practice track.
>
> Mike
I work the same way as Mike, but I use the Twiddly Bits from Keyfax.
They are midi files played and recorded
by musicians.
http://www.keyfax.com/keyfax/prdct.html
I Import them into cubase and send the bass part through Spectrasonics
Trilogy also.
All is midi, so I can play them at any tempo.
Sometimes I also use my QY100 sequencer from Yamaha.Its a great little
hardware thing to practice with.
It has an Ampsimulator so I can directly plug in the guitar.
Michael
hw
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Just import the tracks into transcribe or wavelab and you can loop them and
manipulate the tempo. Or use ableton or powertracks pro where you can add
midi to the drums. I used to compile my own play-along tracks with CD
Metronome and Hal Crook's "Creative Comping" midi files. Split the tracks
into bass and comping, use the B4 synth from NI and you got excellent
backing tracks.
Dan Adler
> <mylesjazzgui...@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragnews:0e43c851-46c0-4ac6...@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
Or, if you have a mac, import into garage band and replicate as many
times as you want.
mylesja...@gmail.com
i put a cd metronome track into transcribe and looped it...worked
perfectly. i thought it would be hard to get it to loop w/out a
noticeable change in time, but with the graphic window thing in
transcribe, you can just find the spike where beat one is, and end the
loop right before it.
still, i'd prefer to have it in itunes, so i'm going to try to make a
short loop from cd metronome in audacity and see if it will loop in
itunes as smoothly as it does in transcribe. if so, my problem is
solved. although i wish cd metronome would hurry up and come out with
some sort of bossa/straight 8ths cd soon. and a brushes one...i'm not
crazy about the "ballads" with sticks.
maybe i'll check out some of those other similar cd's other people
mentioned in this thread. at any rate, looks like some kind of looped
drum sample thing is the way to go rather than some sort of drum
machine.
thanks,
myles
paul
great for this type of thing.
mylesja...@gmail.com
> I have the Alesis-SR16-Stereo-Drum-Machine. I always disliked it and
> stopped using it once I got BIAB. There are only two jazz tracks and
> I think one is in 5/4. To practice bossas, I had to use the latin
> track which was a poor subsititue for a real bossa. Plus I had a lot
> of problems with the volume of the tracks. The cymbals are too soft
> and the bass too loud. I was never able to get the ratio right even
> when I adjusted the treble and bass knobs on my speakers.
thanks...i'm surprised something that expensive wouldn't have at least
a 4/4 swing, bossa, and ballad setting. but i guess i'm not their
target market... sounde like the drum machine route is not where i
need to be looking.
> I believe BIAB has an export as mp3 feature. You could create the
> drum only tracks, export as mp3s, and then burn them onto a cd to play
> in your cd player. Maybe this would work.
i tried this last night, and couldn't get it to work. kept on getting
mp3's with no sound except for the 2 bar count off. probably just
some setting i'm overlooking.
myles
mylesja...@gmail.com
imported it into itunes. it loops in itunes with no noticeable shift
in time at the start of a new loop. so it looks like my problem is
solved without having to spend any money! thanks!
now i've just gotta wait until cd metronome come out with a bossa cd
and a brushes cd. or maybe i'll look into those other links in this
thread that might already have that stuff. in the meantime, i'll see
if i can get the mp3 recording function in biab working so i can get
some bossa and ballad loops from there.
myles
Lumpy
> ...i'm just wondering if i'll be able
> to easily turn it on, hit a button, and have it play a jazz beat, or
> bossa, or jazz waltz, or whatever that I can then easily adjust the
> tempo of. if it's basically a metronome that sounds like drums, then
> that's what i want. if it's something that takes 3 hours of
> programming, then that's definitely not what i want.
How about use BAIB but build your own set of
drum back tracks. Start with songs that already
have existing drum parts that you like. Copy out
the drum part only to a new BAIB file. Then
you should be able to do exactly as you describe
above. Pick Bossa/JazzWaltz/BrushBallad whatever,
click in the tempo you want and hit PLAY.
That wouldn't take long at all to build the files.
30 minutes could build a dozen files. Playing them
back would take just a couple of mouse clicks.
Lumpy - The Anti Yanni
mylesja...@gmail.com
and over. i don't think the loop screws up the time in a noticeable
way. now if i just do this for another 10,000 hours i might feel like
i can sort of play ok. probably not though.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=655650&content=music
myles
mws...@insightbb.com
looping performances I have a page up about it:
http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html
If you mean how do I load loops into the RC-20s, I just play them out
of the computer into the RC-20. With the Jamman, you can hook it to
your computer and it comes up looking like an external drive. Then you
can copy WAV files directly onto it. Pretty cool. I had one of these
and got rid of it. Now I kinda wish I hadn't.
Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net
tom walls
wrote:
> With the Jamman, you can hook it to
> your computer and it comes up looking like an external drive. Then you
> can copy WAV files directly onto it. Pretty cool. I had one of these
> and got rid of it. Now I kinda wish I hadn't.
>
> Mark Smarthttp://www.marksmart.net
Bingo. Thanks!
Mike C.
beat. It loops drum parts from MIDI files. It allows you to set things like
"metronome plays for xx beats and rests for xx beats", "Tempo increases by x
BPM every X bars, tempo calculator, transpose, etc.
It kicks ass. I don't know if they sell it separately, though.
--
Mike C.
http://mikecrutcher.com
"A great percentage of people don't want a challenge. They want
something done to them, they don't want to participate. But there'll
always be maybe 15% that desire something more, and they'll search it
out. And maybe that's where art is."
- Bill Evans
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Mike C.
--
Mike C.
http://mikecrutcher.com
"A great percentage of people don't want a challenge. They want
something done to them, they don't want to participate. But there'll
always be maybe 15% that desire something more, and they'll search it
out. And maybe that's where art is."
- Bill Evans
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> BIAB comes with Metronome Pro, which functions as a metronome or uses a drum
> beat. It loops drum parts from MIDI files. It allows you to set things like
> "metronome plays for xx beats and rests for xx beats", "Tempo increases by x
> BPM every X bars, tempo calculator, transpose, etc.
thanks...my biab came with this and i never installed it until now.
it's probably as close as i'm going to get to what i want. do you
know if there's a way to use the realdrum sounds that came with the
new biab with the metronome pro?
Mike C.
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It's a pretty cool program.
I don't know if RealDrums can be used. I posted a question on the forum.
Check occasionally to see if there are any answers:
http://www.pgmusic.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=155574&an=0&page=0#Post155574
or, here's a tinyurl version: http://tinyurl.com/34jum7
mylesja...@gmail.com
cool, thanks.
myles
Mike C.
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I just received an e-mail:
>Mac replied in a topic you have selected as one of your favorites at the
> >site:
>http://www.pgmusic.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=155581
> Not to my knowledge. There is no provision for audio drums in there as
> >shipped.
>Met Pro is midi only as far as the drums or importing practice files.
>Still, an excellent practice tool, I use it daily here. Me old Seth Thomas
> >is very jealous, now a decoration on the downstairs piano.
>My grandson tickled me, he finally figured it out and said, "You got that
> >because its like the one on your computer, huh?"
>Of course, this is the kid that asked Gramma what the world looked like to
>us >before there was color...
>--Mac
Chickenhead
but built in beats seem to be ubiquitous in cheap multi-FX pedals these
days. They manage to slap a beatbox into everything these days. I used to
even have a crappy little Casio mini-keyboard -- probably available for $15
on craigslist -- that had 20 or 30 built in beats.
Whether you're using an FX pedal with built-in beats, an Alesis SR16, or a
Boss unit or whatever, you'll still need an amp and speakers to hear it.
That will limit the portability.
This looks pretty nifty, though it seems a bit overpriced for what it does.
It's not exactly a drum machine, but it could be useful:
http://www.rhythmsource.com/ On the other hand, I still haven't run out of
stupid metronome tricks, so even the good old-fashioned digital metronome
has plenty of good rhythm work in it for me. By the way, I recommend using
a digital metronome unless you want to practice playing to uneven beats that
constantly vary in tempo. The old wind-up type may be politically correct,
but their inaccuracy, especially at slow tempos, makes them nearly useless
for a lot of nifty metronome exercises. I also recommend making sure it
will handle very slow tempos and be sure to give it a listen before
buying -- I like a nice woody "tock" and I hate metronomes that beep.
If I want a drum track, 90% of the time I just punch it into a MIDI
sequencer/editor like SONAR/Cubase/Reaper, etc. I've got enough sequenced
basic beats stored on my computer to pretty much get what I want. You can
also import BIAB tracks if you're so inclined. In that case, you might want
to consider quantizing them since their "human" feel can really screw things
up if you want accuracy.
There's some free looping and tempo-change tools for Winamp, I can post some
links if you like. You could use those with just about any drum loop.
Ralph Patt has some great sounding drum tracks on his backing tracks. As
far as I can remember, he has it panned with the drum tracks on one side and
the bass on the other. You could could do a quick and dirty by just opening
his tracks and panning to one side. If you want to loop or change speed,
you could use the freeware Winamp plugins. The links from Ralph's page
(www.ralphpatt.com) seem to be broken or leading to a page with only a few
of his backing tracks, but I suspect if you e-mail him he'll tell you where
you can download his tracks. I have about 100 or so of his backing tracks,
so if need be I can upload them and send you a link.
However . . .
There's some good freeware or near-freeware MIDI editors around. They
pretty much give away a lite version of Cubase with just about every
interface, and Reaper (www.cockos.com) works too. Free MIDI versions of
zillions of tunes are available all over the web. Just do a google for
something like "MIDI free" and you should pull up a bunch of links. If you
import the MIDI files into Reaper/Cubase/Cakewalk/Sonar, or whatever MIDI
editor you've got, you can just use the drum tracks and edit and loop them
to your satisfaction.
While I understand the need to avoid learning curve time and becoming a
programmer, if you don't learn and understand MIDI you are doing yourself a
great disservice as a musician. MIDI is an incredibly useful tool and it's
well worth taking a few days to understand it, or even a class or two. You
don't need to be a programmer. There's a lot of books around about it. It
may be somewhat dated technology with all the recent advances in audio
manipulation, but it gives you a granular degree of control you won't get
from manipulating audio loops. Also, a lot of programs still rely on it:
BIAB, Finale, Sibelius for starters.
There's a lot of kewl stuff you can do with just a simple metronome.
There's no shortage of drum machines and drum loop players, but if you want
actual tracks to play with, nothing will serve you better than learning and
understanding MIDI and working with a MIDI sequencer. You should start
working with it regardless of whether you find the right drum machine -- You
will not regret the time you spent learning MIDI.
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Chickenhead
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after all that talk, i opted to just stick with biab w/ all the
instruments but drums turned off when i want to play w/ something
other than clicks. with the realdrums they added a year or so ago, it
sounds good enough to me. i didn't realize there's a little drum icon
you can click on to choose what realdrums style you want for that
song. so now i just open biab, click off the instruments, choose the
drums i want from the little icon, and set it to play a lot of
choruses. pretty quick and easy and i didn't have to buy anything
new.
and i just turn on my metronome when i'm working on reading or
whatever.
i'm just glad i'm actually practicing again after not really wanting
to touch my guitar for the last year.
myles
ps...sorry if this went through twice, my internet is acting up today.
Chickenhead
anything new."
I'd consider that quite compelling.
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